Yes it was ..

Forgot about that! Yes, her best moment.

I loved that scene too,Cora was great

Yes I saw that clip. Why did the nanny call the little girl a half-breed? I thought both her parents were one race.

@@pixpusha because they were of different class systems

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@MsUsagi513 I'd like to imagine they're cooking something like "Soup for the Poor" like English Heritage's Mrs. Crocombe demonstrated (though set around 30-40 years before Downton Abbey's time) and it's probably why Mrs. Patmore and Cora both immediately recognize that it is a soup kitchen and not some commercial venture, because as you said, this is something they would have been doing anyway and perhaps the only reason they hadn't been was because they were already busy being a convalescent home and the servants didn't think it was timely or their place to suggest it.

Yannick DRMDA, I agree with you. The show tells us that poor people, servants are indeed kind and generous. It is hard to find these attributes in rich people, nobles, people that have no idea what suffering is. Cora is the exception.

Oh shut up!! They were all being kind, except O'Brian. Get over yourself.

Yes of course there must always be someone who belitles someone's else good heart and charitable actions as "meaningless" or "cheap" or "hollow" etc.

Let's not forget Molesley!!

I agree. she´s incorregible too!

I'd go as far as to say that she's an incredible _actress._ :)

In her defense, O'Brien may have genuinely suspected theft and wanted to alert her employer to that possibility. I see nothing wrong with that. In fact, she may have felt guilty for what she had done to Cora and therefore wanted to protect her household even more.

@@mluirphI don’t recall how the complete sequence went, but that was my thought also. They were in effect at least using the army rations unsanctioned, even If for a good cause. That is why Cora told them to use House materials. O’Brien was in fact correct, but Cora could see the virtue of it and improved the situation.

I think it depends how you look at it. O'Brien felt genuinely regretful about plotting to hurt Cora, and she vowed to make it right by being loyal to her going forward. But is hurting a bunch of other people the way to do that? Her immediate supervisor told her to mind her own business and she didn't. It was strange the way they wrote her character out. She suddenly had an about face and left Cora in the middle of the night. Downton was very entertaining, but not always the best writing or character motivation.

And funded it out of her own pocket.

And after the soldiers had their hot meal, Isabel would help them find jobs!

...and would have been saying "What more can we do to help?"

Mrs. Crawley is awesome. I can as well see her jumping right in to help and Lady Mary as well.

This could've been a cool and interesting story for Isobel and her servants, where they form their own charity and start growing. It's unfortunate it was just left at this.

Seth C I watch Siobhan's other series Happy Valley and she is amazing... Looking forward to discover more of her body of work

Other actors have played hated characters before, it what they do.

@@andresuston7692 Your're right they have. But Siobhan Finneran is the topic in these comments.

She was also great in benedorm

Absolutely! And Rob James-Collier too who plays Thomas. He actually ended up being one of my favorites in the last season.

Joseph Taylor tell me about it. I look back at the time of the world wars and it does feel like despite all the problems of the day, there was an aware that doesn’t seem to exist anymore. It was like people of privilege we’re starting to wake up to the problems around them.

@@antmagor there wasn't, not more than there is now. How would you even notice such thing?

There are good rich people but the media always shows the bad side never the good.

Safwane For starters, it didn’t matter how rich you were you couldn’t help but notice the bombs going off in your backyard. Ask anyone old enough to remember the air raids.

They were & still are; she was made aware of the situations because it affected her personally were she lived. Nowadays the rich are made aware by organizations that toured them to causes of need. Still many ones are exiled or do exiled themselves to survive never to experience the needs of others for their own survival.

She has power. She knows it. She knows everyone else knows it. There’s zero need to shout or yell.

It's her American traits.

Ooooo rah

On behalf of ALL of us in the USA- THANK YOU FOR YOUR SERVICE!!!!!

@@grease58 And from the UK. Thank you for your service, you have made a difference in the world.

My brothers were wounded in Vietnam. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. ♥️

thank you so much for your service

I always though that Edith took after Roseamund

@@19852011cat Edith is quite modern and indipendent, that's why I think she's like her maternal grandmother

You're right about Mary 😅

That's a fascinating observation. I knew that about Mary but I never considered that regarding Sybil or Edith.

Which bone did u wish to pick?

I think we should take her sixth vertebrae... lol.

In fairness to a very nasty person, even O'Brian was shocked and horrified at what she did there. It was the only time you EVER see her exhibit anything like remorse in the whole series.

O'Brien was horrible from the first episode. Hated when she tripped Bates and he fell on his face. Siobhan Finneran was horribly brilliant as O'Brien; such a meanspirited woman. She is also good in Happy Valley. … PEACE to ALL.

@@mathewcole7848 but still she's never honest about it but continues to look down on everyone. She's not humbled or anything just more loyal to Cora, again not loyal enough to be honest

Cora did it with a smile too. That O'Brien is a snake!!!!!!

She is but she ended up with Susan, the other nasty "B" but she had to let her go when they lost their money and O'Brien ended up working for the governor's wife in India. I only caught that after watching that episode about three times when Mrs. Hughes and I think Carson in an opening scene were discussing her and what happened to her. So I guess O'Brien ended up liking India so much she stayed. Hope she got a little sun so she didn't look so much like a vampire or one of the undead.

That's because she realized her own sin

Managing Bread is o'brien's place??

Tbh she should fire O’Brien after this, this nasty snitch behaviour really shows character, shouldn’t let this snake stick around for so long

Right

It’s just her being herself

Hahaha!!!

It wasn't just that it was good and right but it was also important to them enough to do this on their own. I think Cora understood that.

Possibly some were homeless, but more likely they simply were unemployable due to their permanent injuries and disabilities, because they were also veterans, which added some impetus to everyone's reason for helping. Yes, Lady Cora is a wonderful lady and person.

Cora NOT cora.

They was? Do you mean 'they were'?

They were.

Poor men im glad Cora helped a woman is also a soldier heres why Helps regrow crops so no one will starve Builds bombs and bullets so men can arm themselves They become nurses and cooks so men will have medicine and food

Let us not forget that every vet of WW1 is dead today. To have even been ALIVE during WW1 you'd have to be 102 years old today. For WW2 to have been 18 in 1945 (well let's say 16 if you lied abour your age) in WW2 you'd have to be 91 today. - None of these veterans are mistreated. People who are 60 years old today and go on about "we are old and should have respect!" were born in 1960(!) and weren't alive in any world war. These were the only wars in which you were ACTUALLY defending our country (and conscripted to). Vietnam, Korea, Afghanistan and Iraq were not defensive wars, but political ones. The GOVERNMENT should look after these veterans, NOT the public.

@@Adam657 will you shut the f*ck up, you libertarian nut. You are ignorant and clearly have no sense.

@@Adam657 What the F does the fact that all the WWI veterans are now dead have to do with how they were treated during & after the war? In the US, things were better, so they usually weren't begging on the street. But Britain was completely drained by WWI, and little provision for veterans, wounded or not, was made once they were discharged.

@@Adam657 somehow you offended everyone. (1) "Let us not forget that" or "You need to understand that" etc. is a condescending way to say something and makes people hostile before you have even finished the first sentence, especially if you say something that they actually do know already (2) do you think the majority of people have somehow forgotten that every veteran of WW I is deceased and every remaining veteran of WW II is in their 90's. Most of the people watching this video are likely on the older side or are interested in history (3) elders should be treated with some respect regardless of the era or century (4) naturally government should help take care of veterans and senior citizens (5) if someone was drafted to fight in Vietnam, they had no choice about fighting, so do you imply they should be treated less respectfully than other people in their 60's or 70's ? (6) if a war is defensive or political is sometimes a matter for debate -- if the Allies stepped into Germany in the late 1930s and forced Hitler out of power when he was breaking treaties and rearming Germany, some would label that intervention as political, but it was also pre-emptive defensive. Likewise slowing the spread of Communism was seen as defensive, especially for South Korea, Japan, Hong Kong, and Australia.

That's because they're cannon fodder for the governments that use them.

Remember when Robert thinks Cora is having an affair with the art critic, Mr Bricker? Then Cora asks him to sleep in their bedroom and says he needs to think if he has ever strayed? Naughty Robert. I didn’t like Jane, an annoying character.

we love to hate her

yessss!!

I think Cora commands respect by BEING generous and kind. It's a rare quality.

Cora is brilliant in that many view her kindness as her being meek or devoid of strength. It allows her to put her opponents on the back foot when anyone attempts to test her

Beautifully observed. It brings me to tears on occasion. 🥰

You can tell a lot of effort has been put into this show. It is awesome.

OMG yes. The look she exchanges with Daisy as she walks in... she's soft-spoken that look could almost melt steel.

I also love the stark visual difference in the outfits. When she walks in, she’s wearing this dark coat and her hat gives her a very cold and distant look, a high and potent lady amongst the peasants. But then she sheds her coat to help, revealing a bright pale blouse that makes her stand out in the kitchen like a ray of sunshine, there to help and make merry

You can't fire someone just because of their personality; that is unconstitutional. Also if you do this several times you'll have gained a reputation for sacking employees and no one will work for you. Unless he does something wrong then you can fire him.

@@mikeoxmaul45 she had several reasons that she could have sacked her for.....me I am the type of person I would not care what someone would think or why they thought anything

@@mikeoxmaul45 I can't tell if you're joking or really dumb but you can absolutely fire people for their personality in the USA, which is the area governed by the Constitution, which isn't England, which is where this TV show is made and set.

@@misombra As OP used the term "sack", which is more commonly used in the United Kingdom, odds are he is referring to the fact that England does have its own protections with regard to freedom of expression. At the time of WW1, for example, a person could no longer be hanged for simply speaking out against the king and queen. But you also have to take into account the fact that Cora is American and was brought up with a different attitude on the matter of how to handle servants. The only time she ever put her foot down with Obrien was when she was bad mouthing Matthew Crawley. As to her other behaviors, Obrien is sufficiently competent at her actual job that there is no reason (Cora knows of) to sack her.

I'm not reading this entire wall of BLAH BLAH OBVIOUS THINGS I LOVE MY OWN VOICE BLAH BLAH but he said 'unconstitutional' which uhhh you know what never mind

So true,the UK Now does a much better job of taking care of not only vets,but ALL her people everyone has Healthcare,and I don't there is the homelessness the exists in "america"

While we bring in most of Mexico and Central America our dear vets continue to be forgotten. My country has fallen away from its first duties.

Uncaring government? Where do people come up with this nonsense. The only way government can pay for these things is to take the money of you and give it to other people.

It is sad to talk the easily manipulated into wanting to go to war

They weren't going to make Robert a widower in the 2nd season of the show. It would have completely changed the dynamic of the rest of the seasons. So, they killed off a minor character, who was the perfect person to get out of the way so Matthew & Mary's story could proceed.

At least we have the movie coming up! :)

@@maxeyre2024 ... I seen the trailer. I simply can not wait 😊😊

@@maxeyre2024 when?!!!

She So Sweet It’s coming out in September!!!

@@pan-opticon 😭thank you so much. I was heartbroken when it ended.

Me neither- i’m about to re watch for the 5th time again 🤣😂

siii Cora es una santa :D

"I hated her with every fibre of my being" I spat my coffee in laugher. I could not agree with you enough.

weskert mcell me no espanol. Gracias!

J Groenveld lol! Just speaking my mind! Definitely not the reaction I intended for that comment! 😂😂 One question: are your device and nasal passages ok? Spitting coffee in laughter is a dangerous sport! 😳

@@jaecrawford7442 I think it says Cora is a saint.

Inayat Ahmed Amen.

It was just a scene about mothers and daughters. It didn't define Cora at all. No reason to be all steamed about it.

To be fair, if you re-watch the first few episodes, you'll see Cora say a lot of snobbish/insensitive things, much to her husband's distress. That said, she's not heartless or evil, and the upper classes WERE encouraged to do at least some charity work.

Mary was so mean to Edith. However Karma got to her. Mary ended up marrying a man without a title and Edith became a Marchioness.................poetic justice 😍😍😍😍

What the hell is wrong with you. This scene has nothing to do with Mary and you talking about her. My Gosh.

She was kind to Lange primarily because her brother had suffered shell shock as well.

@@flyboy152 But she did do other acts of kindness as well.

@@bighands69 Other than taking care of Cora when she was ill, I don’t remember any others. And that was atonement for the soap incident.

Unfortunately the O'Brien of my workplace never got put in her place. Nor did the Thomas. They just continued to get away with it. The sad part is these tactics work because management always believes them.

The whole show is fantastic drama and worth watching.

A lot of country houses like Downton served the UK in that way. It was part and parcel of the patronal system: the male aristocrats fought as officers, while the women oversaw hospitals and cared for the vets. Sadly, WW I was the last time this really manifested.

@@TechBearSeattle Well, if you think about it one of the obligations that aristocrats were supposed to fulfil (in exchange for their access to land and wealth) was to provide material and manpower support to the King/Queen/state in times of war.

@@edukid1984 No it was not an obligation to fulfil their access to land and wealth. They did it because they were human and did the right thing.

@@bighands69 I wasn't referring specifically to Downton Abbey's plot, but the historical relationship between the regent and the aristocrats. You don't honestly think they were just "doing the right thing" when they sent troops and horses at great expense of gold and often lives in times of war?

@@edukid1984 SOme lords were horrible to their subjects and it is very well documented. And some did the right thing.

I think you mean O’Brien, not Mrs. Bird.

Me too, Lizabeth. But was there ever a more satisfying finale to a series?

Yes so many upper class Americans could learn a lot from here especially the younger generation.