Her daughter Edith did not trust her and hid the baby from her. She was a good mother to Mary and Sybil, but I thought we were going to find out Edith was someone else’s baby because it didn’t really make sense how little regard she had for Edith. 😂

@@laraantipova389 They just were not close. She was there for her when she got jilted and ran to her side when she found out about Marigold . If she had little regard for her then she would have done none of those things

I would also have to include Cora helping drag Pamuk’s corpse the length of the house.

Sybil didn’t trust her about her engagement to Tom and tried to elope. A child being afraid to tell their mother something doesn’t mean their mother doesn’t love them. Cora doesn’t have a single negative judgment about Edith’s situation and instead jumps straight to helping her keep the child. This was a lovely moment of a mother being there for her daughter.

And when she helped Mary hide Mr. Pamouk to spare her daughter from her reputation being ruined by scandal.

So, glad you are well.

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@@eugeniaskelley5194 Thank you ever so much

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@@Karincl7 American?

Lol and then told Edith he knew.

And both of them didn't tell Mary. @@peachygal4153

@@peachygal4153 And when he told her he knew, he accepted her, comforted her and reaffirmed he still loved her and will accept Marigold.

And that’s what a true man should be, and that’s what I liked about his character

I agree. When it comes to family....as a man we have our responsibilities. Provide, love, care & protection for your family. And offer that loving correction when a child goes awry. But outside of that, as a man I really wouldn't worry too much about the rest.

I agree with her.

​@@davidhutchinson5233 That's the kind of mindset from a century ago. As a father, you have an equal right to be involved in your child's care, just like the mother. Come on, now.

Well said! There was clear preferential treatment with “the blessed lady Mary” as Mrs Hughes called her

Not a mother of teen+ daughters yet, eh?

I think it was a bit.

There's also that scene after Sybil's coming out season where Cora is singing her praises and telling her how proud she is, and Edith says something like, "You've never said that about me," and Cora just says "Haven't I? Oh, well, good job to you too then." Mary was clearly Robert's favorite (though he always wished he had a son). Sybil was clearly Cora's favorite. Edith's only ally was Rosamund, but Rosamund wasn't a mother, so she couldn't really understand Edith's feelings. Edith assumed that Cora's unconditional mother's love was used up on her sisters. It really didn't occur to her that Cora would have dragged a dead body out of her room for her too.

@@MeyaRoseGirl funy thing is Edith never resented Sybil , they seemed to have had a decent if not good relationship but then Sybil was not the bitchy type like Mary often was. I . Yes, Edith could be snarky , mostly to Mary but I think the combo of her parents lack of interest of her and Mary treating her less then she treated the servants and a lot to do with Edith s choices. Right or wrong Michael treated her like she was worth something and Edith craved that

She didn't lose her virtue, she gave it up and whined about how her life was unfair when she got pregnant. Her aunt warned her about having premarital relations and she dismissed her. She didn't care about her virtue or family reputation when she was happily having a snog with a married tenant during the second season either. Her treatment of the Drews destroyed my last ounce of sympathy for her. I absolutely do not believe she would have found the courage to come clean with Bertie if Mary didn't force her. She's had a lot of bad in her life but she was either partly or wholly responsible for a good number of them with her poor judgement and refusal to bear accountability.

@@Sharonmplus She didn't care about her family's reputation from the very beginning when she was ready to ruin Crowley's name by revealing the truth about Pamuk's death just to even the score with Mary

​@@SharonmplusI lost all sympathy for her after she had relations with that poor woman's husband. I hope that lady managed to get another husband, she deserved better. I was completely disgusted at the lows that Edith sunk to just because she felt lonely.

But Mary slept with Pamuk. SHE did the damage! She chose to sleep with him. Mary was responsible for the damage she caused. Mary is not exempt from fault.

the rich have treated the working classes like doormats since time immemorial. in the past it was even more egregious, but they still do it

I have a feeling that when the Drewes ultimately ended up leaving that Robert would have given them a nice bit of money to help them due to the amount of help Mr. Drewe provided.

@@SCGMLB But his Family has farmed that land since the Napoleonic era, lol. Money might help a little but the wife went off the deep end over it. I cant see a happy ending there. Not sure why Edith hated the women that loved her daughter so much.

​@@mitch_the_-itch I think it may have been jealousy on Edith's part maybe

@@mitch_the_-itch It’s primal mother’s instinct, that’s why.

I agree, Cora was very hypocritical in all of this, and I never understood why she allowed Mary to treat her sister so poorly all the time.

I agree

I blame Mr Drew who knew it was temporary and couldn't control his wife. And she beecame mad over this child as if she didn't have any of her own. It was really weird

Still dont know why Mr. Drewe didnt tell Mrs. Drewe...their marriage is 100% ruined. If Mrs. Drewe knew it was Ediths surely she would have taken care of her as her own AND let Edith see the girl?

@@solomeyashiukashvili7113 Couldn't control his wife? Mrs. Drew was led to believe this was an adoption/foster type of situation. She was clearly a woman who loved children, and grew to love Marigold as much as she did her biological children. She was treated horribly.

@@dublinjazz1 the fact Mrs Drew didnt know the true situation is 100 percent Mr Drew s fault, HE made the choice of not telling her, what dose that say about his trust in her, i, was there a valid reason he didnt trust her or did he not think she had feeling. Mr Drew could clearly see Edith was at the breaking point and inchs of taking her daughter and stil Mr Drew says nothing to his wife

Lmao she wanted to go to Detroit or chicago. I don't know what it was like back then but I don't think it was very different from what its like today.

@@Julie_Mango Edith was punishing herself.

@@Julie_Mango Detroit back then was one of the richest cities in America (and possibly the world) upto the 1950s and 60s. Was a blockbuster town for the US Auto, Music, and Manufacturing Industries

​​​@@ishshah8695Yeah, the people who wrote the first two replies are pretty dim, lol. 😅

@@Julie_Mango And where are you from? South Dakota?

LOL! Same here! When she said "...blah blah blah it's ludicrous", I thought yes, Your Ladyship, sort of liiiiiike....your hat?! It's great; very Mad Hatter! 😃

I do not believe it was so Mary wouldn’t make fun of her, Mary really enjoyed belittling Edith, Marygold would’ve been submitted to Mary’s pettiness, she was the golden child after all. Even when Edith was just minding her own business, Mary always found a way to try to humiliate her. i really admired Edith because she took reign of her own life, she worked she was out there, in the real world unlike Mary in her cocoon.

and a lot of help from tom branson

Cora did not grow up upper class. she was middle class even though her father was a millionaire. Remember, her father was one of the "nouvelle riche" Jewish Americans despised by New York society.

@@juliagoodfellow7539 Tom was my favorite character of the whole series.

and I liked Edith better than Mary, but it was more about I always go for the underdog. As Tom said, Mary was a bully. When Mary was unhappy others paid.

The worst decision Edith has ever made was taking the advice of both Rosamund and Violet in the attempt to hide Marigold’s birth. It unintentionally had devastating results in the end it all could have been avoided if Edith had came to her mother for help from the very beginning. Cora may have a personal favorite child, a lot of parents do, but she loves all of her children and put her own life on the line for all 3 of her daughters. Cora would have done a better job with Edith’s situation than Rosamund and Violet.

And Edith was such a middle child at the beginning

That makes Edith's standing at the end of the series all the more triumphant. She marries 'up,' above them all.

One also sees Cora's heart in the situation. A true mother, she wants nothing more than to see her granddaughter, to give her a home.

@@davy209 Like what? You believe Cora would have supported Edith going through a pregnancy as a single woman and having them both stay at Downton then? A lot different from moving a dead body.

Mr Farouk was the icing on the cake..😊

​@@karrinwilley8079Pamuk

I love the cars and the trains.

@@graybush3822 me too !!!

Exactly! Mary, Carson, and Cora are my least favorite characters in this show. Mary and Carson are so proud and stuck-up, and Cora is so clueless and often passive in a way that harms her family.

Especially since she already lost one daughter. She just wants her kids

And how could Mr. Drew deceive his wife like that? She truly loved Marigold and I'm sure felt she was being a good mother to her.

​​@@patriciaseitz3530 he felt obligated because Lord Grantham had given him back the land his family had always worked. And I think he sincerely wanted to help. Edith really thought she could let the baby go and no one thought Mrs Drew would get so attached to a child that wasn't biologically hers. All good intentions but human emotions are complex and unpredictable. That's why this show is so great.

That Regency-inspired hat in the tearoom! Paging Georgette Heyer. It overshadowed everything for me! Downton Abbey was just wonderful.

@slida emif I agree with you about the Dowager but to me, Rosamund was in a slightly different position. She knew about Edith's pregnancy while she was still pregnant and helped her to conceal it and the baby. This still wouldn't have entitled her to break Edith's trust by telling Cora and Robert, I believe that information absolutely should have come from Edith herself. But considering the dangers associated with pregnancy and childbirth at the time, which were already depicted in season 3 with Sybil's death, I think Rosamund should have highly encouraged Edith to tell her parents. I'm even trying to put myself in Rosamund's shoes because I have a niece who is Edith's appropriate age and she and I have secrets that I'll take to the grave. It would torment me to have to keep something this significant and life altering from my sister, especially if it could potentially kill my niece, and ESPECIALLY when my sister had already lost a child in the same way. That's an excruciatingly hard position for Rosamund to have been in, and ultimately I think she did the right thing, but I wouldn't want to bear that burden and I think her responsibility was a bit more than that of the Dowager.

I blame her husband. It was his idea to keep his wife in the dark. I think Edith went along with it because she was so anxious to be around Marigold.

Mrs. Drew would have been spared if they had allowed Cora in on the pregnancy. There would have been a story far more believable. The only correct choice was going abroad and bringing back the baby at another time. She nursed and weaned her first. You do not nurse your own child and leave her!

Yes and Edith's snide remark about her. Edith deserved the misery she got in her life for what she did to the farmer's wife.

@@latinguy67 The Drews did HER a FAVOR and she repaid them with contempt. The whole messy situation made me very sad for the Drews especially Mrs. Drew who loved that child like she was her own.

Blame Mr. Drewe for the stupidity. HE chose to lie to his wife.

@@amylynnsgraphics Mr. Drewe made a promise to Edith and lied to his wife which caused issues between the two. He is the one at fault for this.

@@katepausig8562 Mr drew was not being a good husband to his wife, he made these decisions without her and then proceeded to lie to her about the child. I think if everyone was up front from the beginning it wouldn't have gotten so messy

Because she would be alone without any support. Travel still takes a while and same with communication.

Edith says that one of the main reasons she decided against moving to the U.S. was preventing the magazine business from going under. Back then, things like Skype, Zoom, and email obviously didn't exist, and making international phone calls likely wasn't as easy it is today. Therefore, Edith probably would have had a very difficult time managing the magazine from abroad. I don't blame her for staying for the sake of the magazine, since she probably had to take into account all of the people whose livelihoods depended on it continuing to stay afloat.

@@coffeebean8790 plus Marigold would inherit it one day, something from both her parents since Grayson started it and Edith took it over as he left it to her. So in a real way an inheritance from her parents

Because the actress playing Edith (Laura Carmichael) had a contract.

​@@robincoffman6723it's funny that Marigold ends up inheriting a villa from Violet

i think she was referring to edith's plan for an abortion earlier on

@@kybed Oh, okay. I guess that's probably what she meant, now that I think about it. With the "She wouldn't go through with it." part I thought she meant the adoption in Switzerland. But yes, there were two plans she wouldn't go through with.

The worst decision Edith has ever made was taking the advice of both Rosamund and Violet in the attempt to hide Marigold’s birth. It unintentionally had devastating results in the end it all could have been avoided if Edith had came to her mother for help from the very beginning.

Can't get enough of it and watch it every day. It inspires me to live better. I want that type of life. Since the chances of me living in a castle are nil, my plan is to rent an apartment in one of these types of listed buildings.

You think so? I thought Edith acted like an arrogant, spoiled brat. Every time someone tried to help her with what she should do with Marigold, she got angry and lashed out at everyone, when the fact is: Edith is the one who broke the rules of society at the time and got pregnant as a result. She had no basis for getting angry at anyone else, since she was the author of her own misfortune.

@@01Mary02 Exactly, Even when Mary tells Bertie about Marigold, I feel like Edith had no right to be angry. She knew good and well Mary would use Marigold against her (if she found out). Everybody (including Cora) told her (for months!) that she should tell Bertie about the baby. But she didn't listen.

The worst decision Edith has ever made was taking the advice of both Rosamund and Violet and the attempt to hide Marigold’s birth. It unintentionally had devastating results in the end it all could have been avoided if Edith had came to her mother for help from the very beginning.

@@davy209 Actually no, the worst decision Edith made was when she went back on her word, went to Switzerland and uprooted Marigold from the family she was living with and brought her back to England. Had she not done that, her secret would have remained a secret.

@01Mary02- You make a point that the situation wouldn’t be as messy if Edith had stayed true to her word and left Marigold with her adopted parents in Switzerland, but that wasn’t what Edith wanted and the situation wasn’t the same when Ethel decided to give up Charlie to his grandparents. Ethel came to that decision on her own while Edith was coerced into it. Edith never wanted to give up Marigold and it’s a lot to ask from her, especially when it wasn’t her decision to make originally. Cora would have never put Edith into any situation that would cause her to be unhappy. She truly loves all of her daughters and only them to be happy and she proved that with her plan by having Edith “adopt” Marigold so Edith can raised her daughter without the public scandal of having an illegitimate child.

As a nod to one of her previous roles, maybe that should be: "Bond, Samantha Bond".

@@judith_thordarson No thank you. I prefer too speak the English language properly

@@charliedrosario999 lol

@@charliedrosario999​What about spelling it?

The last movie was so much fun. I hope you can see it soon.

Realistic though.

Birth registry. Marigold would have to have been registered as a Gregsons' child since the information could very easily be found. Too risky as suppose.

Except the orphaned child was a newborn - a tad more difficult.

Me too!

I think Marigold looks more like her father but would the servants remember what Grayson looked like after seeing him MAYBE once or twice at most. But I agree, even 4 to 6 people knowing is too many

@@robincoffman6723 Robert remarked that Marigold reminded him of someone, and I doubt he meant Gregson.

@@TrackerNeil yes he did but did not connect all the dots at that time. Remeber he only met time twice and no one heard from Michael for three years or longer, he didnt even know he was going to be a father so that s nine moths and Marigold was mabe two when Robert first laid eyes on her. That s why he couldn t connect all the dots

I remember a scene when Anna found a picture of Marigold under Edith’s pillow when making her bed. I think Anna and Mrs. Hughes figured it out and kept her secret.

@@judycroteau482 Right, which makes eight people who know about Marigold. Tom figures it out himself, making nine, followed shortly by Robert, bringing the total to ten. That's the most well-known secret in history.

Look into the history of early immigrants coming to America from the Mormon church. LDS genealogy site. All religions are recorded.

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I’m an adopted Korean. DNA ancestry found my 1st cousin and let me say, I was a shock for their entire family. Even now, illegitimate children are considered shameful in South Korea

​@@brooke_reiverrose2949do you know genelogy tree works for other families that were not European?

At they end of the day, they can’t relate to the poorer class. Especially when they have their own “problem”.

That would be an interesting story. But I can't think of any young-ish actress who could do Maggie Smith justice.

@@Nyx773 : perhaps Emma Thompson?...

​@@paisley293 She's way too old. Per Fandom, Violet was born in 1842 and "Violet visited Russia, where she met Prince Igor Kuragin, at the Winter Palace in St. Petersburg in 1874." Therefore, would need an actress that looks as if she is 32 years old.

@@Nyx773 Allow me to join :). If I had to make a choice for the young Countess Violet Grantham, I would think of Claire Foy. She was great as a young queen, and anyone who has seen her in The Crown or much earlier in Terry Pratchett´s Going Postal knows that she has a great sense of irony (Violet must have started early). Claire Foy is 39 but definitely suited for a role 10 to 15 years her junior.

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I agree with you. I was disgusted with how Mrs. Drew was treated. Her husband disrespected her too.

I don't really think so. There were always illegitimate kids running around. Especially after the war. There were kids everywhere.

@@kellharris2491 Not amongst the aristocracy there wasn't. Common folk, yes, absolutely. But the social stigma of having an illegitimate child at the official house would not have been allowed. It would have been social suicide for the Crawley's.

I partly agree with you, but if Mary had had that Pamuk affair, Sibyl married an Irish separatist chauffeur, I get the feeling this aristocratic family has "softened" those strict rules.

@@marianonseq472 This family, 'maybe', but they also had a reputation to uphold (as did all aristocratic families) and there is simply no way they would have allowed Edith to keep Marigold at Downton. It just would not have ever happened.

@@01Mary02 You act as if you know every aristocratic family that ever existed. Just because you know the rule, it doesn't mean you have learned that there were exceptions. You make out that these elites were all snobby uptight people, pretty sure among all these noble people, they have done unnoble things. Cora being an American in this situation is much more forgiving and her influence on Robert has made him soften around the edges.

She is so amazing and she loves her children! She is so kind and very empathetic. I think everyone loved Cora even Violet. She would do anything to help her family. Heartbreaking when she lost Sybil. Cora you can feel her kindness, goodness and pain.

She was grateful to mrs. Drewe. Plus Edith wasn't the one pushing for them to be removed from their house, Cora was

agreed.

Edith had no problem telling the wife but Mr. Drewe didn't want her to know.

​@@GoldenRose116 She was still very haughty to Mrs Drew. I wouldn't call that exactly grateful. Even when Rosamund and Cora approach Edith she has a sour look on her face when Mrs Drewe is mentioned

Only bc Mrs. Drew went to the big house, which meant she was there to make trouble.

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It's an interesting storyline but obviously less realistic. I feel that Rosamund and Violet could have handled it better. What about Rosamund taking the child in for instance, at least for a while until Edith could deal with facing her family about it? The family didn't visit Rosamund that much. They had their own Grantham house in London. Rosamund could have said the child was a dead friend's or something like that.

To be fair, Robert does notice. It seems like most everyone did figure it out eventually, they just didn't feel the need to make a big deal out of it. Mary only does because she is petty

its women who didn't have any rights

R u joking?

@@lsmith9249 I'm sure you think you know more than the historians.

@@user-gm2dl5xl2c No.

It’s more of a criticism against a patriarchal society as it also negatively affects men as it does women. Women would have lesser rights than men outside the home but women would hold more power than men inside the home on a legal basis. Women would most likely to be granted full custody of the children, entitled to child support, and entitled to half of the assets in a divorce and alimony payments. Fathers don’t get to opt out of parental responsibilities without the mother’s approval either. Overall, patriarchy has its flaws and leads to certain power imbalances between the two sexes on social issues.

Cora was not supportive of Edith. She even said Edith was the one who was going to look after them in old age.

It's understandable that she is upset Edith didn't tell her. _Being upset_ someone did something is not the same as saying they had no possible reason to do it, or no right to do it. It's certainly not the same as assuming you have a right to disregard their feelings or privacy.

A good search word to use is "putlocker".

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Fascist KZfaq illegally deleted my earlier suggestion for how to find the free downloads.

Netflix has the full set of episodes

@@PoliticalSligo Netflix has a full set of unreformed Leftists running it unfortunately. So does Amazon.

You do not have to have children to have compassion for them. WTF.

@@marine463 that’s the point. She had no compassion. Pay attention and stop running them fingers

@@cherokeegotti4903 That is not the point. You can be a childless person and have compassion for children.