CORE and FREEDOM themes sound strangely good together (DELTARUNE and UNDERTALE)

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CORE and FREEDOM themes sound strangely good together (DELTARUNE and UNDERTALE)

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Күн бұрын

Today I found that the main bassline in CORE and the FREEDOM theme (also sometimes called the secret boss theme), work really well together (with a wee bit of transposition).
There is always the possibility that this is a complete coincidence, just another content starved DELTARUNE fan grasping for clues. I however believe there is some importance to this. With W.D. GASTER's UNDENIABLE connection to both the CORE and secret bosses, I think this mashup of themes could be used in music in a later chapter, when he inevitably appears.
Whatever it is, this connection
seems
very
VERY
INTERESTING
WHAT DO YOU THINK?

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@jameshurley7867 6 ай бұрын

Thankyou @Bearman851 for making an actual song out of this :) kzfaq.info/get/bejne/iMVyn5VlqtHZgYU.htmlsi=xtQGwuJT-9GIP5gZ

@Bearman851 6 ай бұрын

YO, no problem man!

@TheMinetaEnjoyer 6 ай бұрын

Deltarune secret boss UST composers: WRITE THAT DOWN, WRITE THAT DOWN!!!

@gregory9033 6 ай бұрын

Did u mean OST or am I just stupid

@trevorisout2699 6 ай бұрын

UST means Unofficial Sound Track @@gregory9033

@KevinJordan1 6 ай бұрын

@@gregory9033 OST means Official/Original Soundtrack, UST means Unofficial/Unoriginal Soundtrack

@KevinJordan1 6 ай бұрын

@LunaticSurname Oh ok! i'll fix the comment Done!

@TheMinetaEnjoyer 6 ай бұрын

@@gregory9033 UST means Unofficial Soundtack I think. when people create their own fanmade songs

@hydrangealynx 6 ай бұрын

its kind of uncanny how natural they sound put together, its like they were made as countermelodies for each other

@skullketon 6 ай бұрын

What if they were...

@diamondmemer9754 6 ай бұрын

They are both related to Wing Gaster

@PeridotEX 6 ай бұрын

@@diamondmemer9754 Wing Gaster? The royal Scientist?

@diamondmemer9754 6 ай бұрын

@@PeridotEX "Alphys might work faster, but she'll never be as dapper as Wing Gaster" "How can I say so without fear? One time I met Wing Gaster, the Royal Scientist right here"

@Cadoe 6 ай бұрын

@@diamondmemer9754are you high?

@VideoViperX 6 ай бұрын

Gaster intensifies

@minestar2247 6 ай бұрын

How to summon the doctor

@indigo3827 6 ай бұрын

*Gaster fazes in doing Orange Justice*

@sploofmcsterra4786 6 ай бұрын

Yeah im pretty sure this could be mixed with gaster's theme as the bass line or something.

@notmizzo 6 ай бұрын

I'm Wing Gangster! The Royal Scientist!

@eliminmax 6 ай бұрын

@sploofmcsterra4786 if Andrew Cunningham's video on the Gaster motif is to be believed, it already is the basis for the freedom motif, so that would be redundant.

@alextheukrainianguy 6 ай бұрын

This is going to be the Deltatraveler CORE section i am calling it

@lisatroiani6119 6 ай бұрын

unfortunately, we already know the music for that section (or the LOSTCORE as it’s called ingame) is just CORE slowed down (unless they retcon it)

@Aresydatch 6 ай бұрын

Someone show them this video @@lisatroiani6119

@ddanipea 6 ай бұрын

well NOW it will be thanks to this video

@admiren 6 ай бұрын

real deltatraveler section 8 leak

@alextheukrainianguy 6 ай бұрын

@@lisatroiani6119 i think they would remake it, every single location so far had its own unique changed theme Edit: i confused this game with undertale yellow since i am playing them both at the time, apologies

@QSBraWQ 6 ай бұрын

Also circus dialtone and lantern sound like parts of complete melody.

@razor339 6 ай бұрын

Lantern is just Rude Buster slowed down but yeah, Circus and Dialtone both use the Freedom leitmotif

@higueraft571 6 ай бұрын

Not to mention, Circus is basically just a less demented Carnival too...

@MariOmor1 6 ай бұрын

Circus and Dialtone are both part of The World Revolving

@Colton-jv7sh 3 ай бұрын

Is it me or does dialtone sound kinda like A town called hometown?

@Froggediah 6 ай бұрын

Someone turn this into a gadget battle theme

@edgarjimenezbaena3058 6 ай бұрын

Go go gadget!

@Mr_sigmaballs 6 ай бұрын

GO GO GADGET GASTER BLASTER!

@WOKEchair 6 ай бұрын

go go gadget stop genocide!

@robertwagstaff1126 6 ай бұрын

I'm always on duty.

@ImPrettySureThisIsMax 6 ай бұрын

Go go gadget open a dark fountain and frame Kris!

@sploofmcsterra4786 6 ай бұрын

This doesn't sound like just regular "oh haha mix Toby music it still sounds good". After hearing this I do think there is a very good chance the freedom theme was first written in a song with the core theme (probably for one of the last fights). Would love to see people try and mix these into a battle theme regardless.

@DJSlimeball 6 ай бұрын

probably not

@Eye-Of-The-Beholder 6 ай бұрын

There's also a theory that the Freedom Theme was written with Gaster's Theme in mind which is Very very interesting if you get what I mean

@catcatcat5519 6 ай бұрын

VERY, VERY, I N T R E S T I N G

@perhapsmoose 6 ай бұрын

@@DJSlimeball why do so many people deny completely plausible theories on things toby could be planning

@Bird_in_a_Trenchcoat 6 ай бұрын

@@perhapsmoosebecause it’s a very superficial connection. If two motifs are written for similar bpms, it’s pretty easy to put them in the same key and have them sound good. The more likely answer if anything is that the freedom motif was written to sound good with as many other motifs as possible to leave all his options open. (Ex. Don’t forget motif in the world revolving, power of neo/battle against a true hero motif in big shot)

@ZekromAndYugiAndDrago123 6 ай бұрын

Considering Gaster canonically made the Core and implied to be connected to the secret bosses, that makes sense

@thenerfkid9228 17 күн бұрын

Gasters great works. The thing that powers all of the underground, and a gaggle of insane lunatics

@PianSweetDreamer 6 ай бұрын

wing deltarune chapter 6?!?!?!?

@bumpersincapped 6 ай бұрын

confirmed 2030

@FineGuy532 6 ай бұрын

@@bumpersincapped It just got delayed to 2050 :(

@Miles02c 6 ай бұрын

I'm Wing Gaster! The royal scientist .

@holl7w 6 ай бұрын

@@Miles02c *falls off*

@ahmed4363 15 күн бұрын

@FineGuy532 holy glados theres a Wheatley herr

@dylanzlol7293 6 ай бұрын

I would be interesed on hearing the freedom motif added in different themes

@martinmoraurena4155 6 ай бұрын

Such as the freedom motif in Pokemon scarlet and violet's vs sada/turo battle theme, imagine that

@dylanzlol7293 6 ай бұрын

@@martinmoraurena4155 theres a vid like that already: search "para-doxxed - deltarune x pokemon mashup"

@higueraft571 6 ай бұрын

Freedom + Penumbra Phantasm

@dylanzlol7293 6 ай бұрын

@@martinmoraurena4155 there is already a thing like that

@FelixDaCreature 6 ай бұрын

We need a full cover, NOW

@lokory 6 ай бұрын

Agreed :O

@WingsofFirelover330 6 ай бұрын

YES!

@miniwhiffy3465 6 ай бұрын

ironic seeing both are connected to gaster

@truetimewatcher 6 ай бұрын

permission to take advantage of this lil discovery?

@jameshurley7867 6 ай бұрын

of course :)

@DeusVult838 6 ай бұрын

@@jameshurley7867 Do I also have permission to use this neat discovery in something?

@jameshurley7867 6 ай бұрын

@@DeusVult838 👍

@dritoc6947 6 ай бұрын

VERY VERY INTERESTING indeed

@cephalopodgaming6665 6 ай бұрын

Not gonna lie, I feel like as these chapters come out, it'd be so cool if a ton of different motifs could all form together like a musical puzzle into some sort of super song to represent gaster being shattered across everything

@Mrrego01 6 ай бұрын

At the risk of sounding really pretentious, here is why I think it sounds so nice together. The CORE represents the suspense of being so close to the end of the journey. It is the last area before confronting Asgore and at that point in the story every single monster in the underground knows it. So the apprehension isn't just within Frisk, but the whole of the underground, it is so close that you can taste it. So the bass line of CORE follows in that suspense, never quite getting where it needs to be, but always building to it. Meanwhile, the Freedom Motif represents largely the same concept. In the two times we have seen it so far (Jevil and Spamton for anyone in the future who stumbles upon this) this plays in wildly different contexts but conveying the same thing; The desire or revelation of being free from something. Jevil's use of the motif is dominant, essentially serving as the entire melody of the song because to him he is already completely free within his little insanity, whereas Spamton's use is almost hidden behind the cacophony of other sounds and madness happening around him, implying that deep down all he wants (more than to be a big shot or whatever else) is for this madness he finds himself to end, or freedom from it in other words. So put these two concepts together and you are left with a question and a hopeful answer. The CORE gives you the feeling that something is coming, something you should be excited for even if you can't imagine what it would be. Then, gently, the motif floats in and shows you what all of this buildup will have been for, the buildup still going on in the back but now with much more hope as the sound of freedom now dominates the space. Really cool idea to layer them, I wouldn't have ever thought to do that, but now that I have heard it it makes so much sense.

@3NTR4PT4 6 ай бұрын

It was always my headcanon that CORE was Gaster's full theme back in UNDERTALE. And when DELTARUNE released I thought the same about the freedom motif. This makes so much sense

@SollidnitrogeN 6 ай бұрын

Its worth noting the main motif used here is not specific to The CORE. Its the motif used in Ruins, Waterfall, and Another Medium.

@jameshurley7867 6 ай бұрын

Yeah that is true. One thing to note however is that in [BIG SHOT], there's that part where power of "neo" is used to represent spamton being spamton "neo". this is despite the fact power of "neo" is just Battle Against A True Hero. So Toby using the CORE baseline to represent the CORE, despite it being used in other things as well would not be a new thing. Whether this was intentional or not is up to interpretation. I personally believe it was unintentional, but still likely to appear in later chapters. :)

@SollidnitrogeN 6 ай бұрын

@@jameshurley7867 Thats true, but I feel like the actual core melody would also go REALLY well with the freedom motif. They have extremely similar rhythms, which is probably why freedom motif goes so well in its place

@danielquigley5090 5 ай бұрын

Gaster's creations go well together, of course!

@Kyrikrliy 6 ай бұрын

The two feel like they belong together. Perhaps we will one day see a song that combines the two motifs in Deltarune.

@ZesTofthelemon 6 ай бұрын

Yep. Wing Gaster the royal scientist definitely has something to do with this.

@thoopsy 6 ай бұрын

Was listening to this and one of my cats (very big, kinda stupid) tried to initiate play with another (kinda small, skittish) So, congrats, we initiated a boss fight by playing this music.

@FetusDeletus_E 6 ай бұрын

Someone will make this into a fanmade secret boss theme, at least i hope they do because this melody has potential

@mrblakeboy1420 6 ай бұрын

secret bosses do tend to have a theme of being cast away _and_ themes of freedom, so if The Entire Phucking Underground were to be turned into a dark fountain, the core would likely be a secret boss, if such a large object could be a singular item in a dark world, or even if a dark world could be created in such a large space

@Devious_One7 6 ай бұрын

I think this could be called either "Serene Chaos" or "Mechanical Chaos"

@DAVINNIA314 6 ай бұрын

Artificial Freedom

@Devious_One7 6 ай бұрын

@@DAVINNIA314 that's clever as it can possibly be

@DAVINNIA314 6 ай бұрын

@@Devious_One7 Thanks! Yours were creative, too! Just a little Jevil focused... Which is Good, Jevil is great!

@Devious_One7 6 ай бұрын

@@DAVINNIA314 its the fact that it is TWR with CORE that made me focus on Jevil. If it was just the Freedom motif or mayhaps TWR and BIG SHOT I would've thought more freedom focused names

@DAVINNIA314 6 ай бұрын

@@Devious_One7 OK, I get it! Your decision makes sense! Personally, I would've picked something like "Chaotic Engine", or "Chaos Machine" for that, but yours is as good or maybe even better than mine! Also, another shared name could be "Core Memory", because of Gaster Trauma and all that... For "BIG SHOT" maybe something like "Automatic Big Shot" or something like that, IDK... IMO this one's harder to think than the others...

@kirby47897 6 ай бұрын

waiting for some guy to see this and make a gaster core that starts like this, which plot wise somewhat makes sense considering that gaster was likely the one to tell jevil and spamton about freedom, and he also built the core

@braydenbanks4228 6 ай бұрын

interesting... very, very, interesting... what do you think?

@Gookwear 6 ай бұрын

I think freedom theme actually just fit good with everything

@newmaker62 6 ай бұрын

Omg got that right there is a perfect rythim

@frozenspaghetti 6 ай бұрын

I pointed this out before, and it's odd how people seem to disagree. Actually, a really good case in point for this would be Undertale Magenta's CORE theme, GEOTHERMAL

@ChimeraLotietheBunny 6 ай бұрын

Very amazing reccommendations of bop

@Unethical2023 5 ай бұрын

For some reason I think that this is going to age VERY VERY well

@XavierTheFallenHuman 6 ай бұрын

This sounds so good, even though I suck at all things music I will try to use this for something maybe

@jameshurley7867 6 ай бұрын

go ahead, I'm sure it will be great!/srs

@XavierTheFallenHuman 6 ай бұрын

Thank you! @@jameshurley7867 Do you by chance have a discord that I can contact you from?

@jma0645 6 ай бұрын

If we ever get a vessel secret boss this is how i immagine the Freedom motif to sound like

@Peepimus 2 ай бұрын

Someone seemingly got close into making this a reality, but w/ that field of-.!.!

@LuckyUser63 6 ай бұрын

The CORE of the world

@knowledgeVulpes 5 ай бұрын

btw, that melody taken from the CORE's bassline is used in many other tracks from the game, like Waterfall and Another Medium. It actually predates Undertale, its first use by Toby publicly being for the track "Patient", revealed in his Tumblr in 2012.

@stuartdgreatest 6 ай бұрын

this sort of sounds like Last Breath Renewed phase 3: An Interesting Reunion which is kinda cool

@Luffy_D_Mar 6 ай бұрын

Wowr really sounds good)

@taterwaffles9613 6 ай бұрын

WE MAKIN IT OUT OF OUR CREATION WITH THIS ONE 🗣🗣🗣🗣🗣

@WishMakers 6 ай бұрын

Part of me wanted to think this was silly at first but - Gaster invented the CORE - He's seemingly quite involved with Deltarune somehow - Freedom motif is the strongest musical representation of Gaster's theme in the game Yeah no that checks out, I wouldn't be surprised if Toby planned these themes that way, provided they are in the same key. Though it's just as possible that it may not be intentional and just worked out nice, given how far you have to transpose

@higueraft571 6 ай бұрын

There's also some fuckery with a Homestuck intersection too. Case #1 being Gamz- i mean Jevil, and to a lesser extent, Lil C- i mean Spamton. Alongside some definite "your choices dont matter" vibe in both... Both involving some Skeleton(?) who dominates one Aspect (Time or Space). How do you expect to outrun them when they're already here?

@llynxfyremusic 6 ай бұрын

Oh this is such a clever blend. Gave me asmr tingles

@Tramon81 6 ай бұрын

Probs cause CORE already has a similar leitmotif to freedom used later on in the theme.

@tidalrose26 20 күн бұрын

With Andrew Cunningham’s video revealing that the Freedom motif is literally Gaster’s theme, and Gaster having made and fallen into the CORE, this mashup makes just so much sense.

@TheCyanManHimself 6 ай бұрын

me who got goosebumps from this:

@snedsundertable8019 6 ай бұрын

This sounds strangely banger

@CounterCurseMantra 6 ай бұрын

Just put the gaster theme in there and itll be icing on the cake

@TD0150 6 ай бұрын

Freedom theme already uses the Gaster Theme as its base

@therealz4945 5 ай бұрын

Hence why they merged Power of Neo with The World Revolving

@poespetraven 6 ай бұрын

CRAP THEY DO SOUND FANTASTIC TOGETHER

@mr.bluemoon6759 5 ай бұрын

I think it could be because the notes placement, in some places they fill out some spaces and in others they harmonize, but idk, had my music classes a long while back ^^' But yeah, I can agree on the fact it sounds strangely good together

@ineophobe 6 ай бұрын

it's all coming together

@blueberyramune 6 ай бұрын

I'm Wing Gaster! The royal scientist!

@aedankennedy 6 ай бұрын

at 2:10 in core, the freedom theme works even better

@Sammy22013 6 ай бұрын

You making Music :piano noises Faster slowly appears: nice music ＭＩＮＥＮＯＷ

@Mr.Auternick_006 6 ай бұрын

The CORE if it was ranned by Spamton/Jevil/Gaster or whatever other insane selfaware character

@deathstorming 6 ай бұрын

unironically huge

@Frousted 6 ай бұрын

for a moment i thought that this was just a strange coincidence and it didn't mean anything but then i remembered about him

@Sacrefiied 6 ай бұрын

Ideas were spawned here.

@existenceispain_geekthesiren 6 ай бұрын

hm, something makes me feel like CORE's theme will be featured in a later boss fight...

@higueraft571 6 ай бұрын

Same but Penumbra Phantasm

@clodolcmidnights837 5 ай бұрын

And that’s how Spamton was made

@Wbcoolguy78 6 ай бұрын

i mean the “freedom” motif (or whatever word it is i forget) is used with the metaton ex’s song in “big shot” which im pretty sure uses the same key (not 100% sure tho)

@skullketon 6 ай бұрын

My guess is that was planned all along... 😱

@MadamLava094 6 ай бұрын

Huh, this does flow together nicely

@Turbomorsh 6 ай бұрын

I'm waiting for the full version

@Mr.C2203 6 ай бұрын

wow someone else who uses musescore I try finding others who do stuff on here but I can almost never get in contact with them

@Wildcard-ultimate 6 ай бұрын

Freedom of the Core

@Raster_Rasper 6 ай бұрын

Why does this work so well-

@adrianamurillo5810 5 ай бұрын

If you add Gaster's theme and maybe Another him or Don't Forget, I feel like it would make a sick Gaster battle theme

@cyberdj6663 5 ай бұрын

They have the same key signature. A lot of songs in Undertale and Deltarune do. I don't see how this is a big surprise

@Spyr0Gaming 6 ай бұрын

surely im not the only one who atleast hears a bit of spamtons theme, right? (spamton neo theme in particular)

@jameshurley7867 6 ай бұрын

Ya it's cause freedom theme appears in [BIG SHOT], specifically in the bit where "power of -NEO-" plays

@incorporealnuance 6 ай бұрын

feel like my third eye is opening listening to this

@k4kadu 6 ай бұрын

oh wow, someone should produce a proper remix of that. good spot

@pyuku5842 6 ай бұрын

sure do wonder what happened in the core that has this connection to the secret bosses hmmmm

@guytakeda8258 5 ай бұрын

Reminded of the Undersea Palace and Black Omen themes from Chrono Trigger

@jaredtherock5692 6 ай бұрын

It kind of makes sense since the freedom theme is usually associated with Gaster. I wonder if that will tie into Deltarune in an interesting musical way

@zix2421 6 ай бұрын

the core sounds great with almost any other theme

@jimmycyganek71 5 ай бұрын

Toby fox is a music genius. If this wasn’t on purpose, he probably at least acknowledges this

@thespeedyyoshi 6 ай бұрын

Build upppppp to DROP WITH SYNTHESIZERS AND DRUMS. I can hear it in my head

@davidfalconer3530 6 ай бұрын

Me too someone's gotta make a whole song outa with with synth and drums and stuff

@Bearman851 6 ай бұрын

You called? kzfaq.info/get/bejne/iMVyn5VlqtHZgYU.html

@nickmustay 6 ай бұрын

INTERESTING VERY VERY INTERESTING

@sahilhossain8204 6 ай бұрын

Lore of CORE and FREEDOM themes sound strangely good together (DELTARUNE and UNDERTALE) momentum 100

@jaceanator9 6 ай бұрын

yall actin like this isent literally just what [BIG SHOT] is

@GHolographic 6 ай бұрын

Core good with almost all songs, lol

@fettialfredo6297 6 ай бұрын

I can't believe you ruined Toby's big surprise for the final Gaster battle sequence. What a world

@higueraft571 6 ай бұрын

Unless he uses Penumbra Phantasm :V

@user-oq8su2uu4f 6 ай бұрын

If this was a boss theme in like undertale genocide or something at some point there is bound to be orchestral

@redsphinx113 6 ай бұрын

Wing Gaster Ch 6 bunkerlab theme

@keane4464 5 ай бұрын

Now do big shot with core theme

@crispy_d 5 ай бұрын

the closest theory i have to this is that the secret bosses have a common leitmotif and since spamton neo uses the metaton neo leitmotif which uses the core leitmotif

@hellandruby 5 ай бұрын

Imagine if gaster's theme starts with this

@omegabr5257 6 ай бұрын

gaster battle theme motif leak

@ninjarc.2715 6 ай бұрын

Bro cooked

@box_05 6 ай бұрын

soul wants freedom from gaster's experiment

@Darnight48996 6 ай бұрын

I want a full version

@panzerkampfwagen_vi_ausf_e 6 ай бұрын

Lmao, people theorising that there is some sort of connection while they just happen to fit togheter, like reese's puffs and any song ever created

@jameshurley7867 6 ай бұрын

Yeah its quite likely a coincidence. Intentional or not though I think this mashup of themes could appear in a later chapter. We need chapter 3 and 4 now so we stop being insane.