Corinthian helmets part 2.

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Lindybeige

Lindybeige

11 жыл бұрын

I rambled on for so amazingly long about Corinthian helmets that I decided to split the subject into two videos.
The photographs are all mine, taken in the British Museum in London, and The Hermitage Museum in St Petersburg.
www.LloydianAspects.co.uk

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@lindybeige
@lindybeige 11 жыл бұрын
I have wealth beyond the imaginings of the ancients in some forms e.g. health care, stereo headphones, and yet I cannot afford a single servant.
@andrewharper1609
@andrewharper1609 4 жыл бұрын
Oh well, thems the breaks. Toilet paper is something that springs to mind, lack of native predators in England (because we hunted them to extinction), lack of poisonous snakes barring adders, less erratic food supply, deodorant, and the invention of jam Roly poly with custard darn it!
@rajastylez
@rajastylez 3 жыл бұрын
You have to move to a place like India for that lol.
@aaronleverton4221
@aaronleverton4221 3 жыл бұрын
I ask you, what have the Enlightenment, the Agricultural Revolution and the Industrial Revolution ever done for us?
@thegreenmamba100
@thegreenmamba100 5 ай бұрын
Probably because they weren’t too concerned with paying their servants. That kind of thing is generally frowned upon these days
@ThunderChunky101
@ThunderChunky101 8 жыл бұрын
That was a piss funny ending. Thanks for that. I giggled like a baby
@hernerweisenberg7052
@hernerweisenberg7052 8 жыл бұрын
+Sean Dali made me watch the "this is sparta" remix again =D
@DanDart
@DanDart 7 жыл бұрын
Needs disco
@lindybeige
@lindybeige 11 жыл бұрын
The main shell is bought, I then painted it, added brow padding and the like inside, thickened the nose-guard, and cleaned it up a bit.
@StaleDoritoCrumb
@StaleDoritoCrumb 4 жыл бұрын
Lloyd, it's been 6 years and this only got one like? What?
@lindybeige
@lindybeige 11 жыл бұрын
I may try it out as a cycling helmet one day.
@aislingbones1854
@aislingbones1854 10 жыл бұрын
After staring at that helmet for eight and a half minutes it's beginning to look rather phallic.
@Storm0wl
@Storm0wl 9 жыл бұрын
***** i only went to the comment section to confirm that others had seen it aswell
@ShiningDarknes
@ShiningDarknes 9 жыл бұрын
Good o'l Greeks and their phallic humor.
@kennethpryde966
@kennethpryde966 9 жыл бұрын
I believe the Greeks always intended it to look phallic and not like a mushroom, as so many prudish scholars have insisted. To many ancient Mediterranean cultures an erect phallus was considered lucky. The Romans even used to sling a large erect phallus under their chariots. I don't think it's much of a stretch to say that the Greeks wanted to wear their lucky charms on their heads. Oh course that does make them a bunch of dickheads.
@oceandark3044
@oceandark3044 4 жыл бұрын
@@kennethpryde966 Imperial truck nuts?
@elzbietakowalska6432
@elzbietakowalska6432 3 жыл бұрын
Now I can't unsee this you bastard
@strangeperson700
@strangeperson700 8 жыл бұрын
You have painted it beautifully!
@The1Helleri
@The1Helleri 10 жыл бұрын
liked for the head bobbing at the end.
@lindybeige
@lindybeige 11 жыл бұрын
Yes, for comfort, security of fit, sweat-absorbing, and of course its protective properties. Possibly also lowered condensation.
@Umbreona
@Umbreona 9 жыл бұрын
White and Blue is very Athenian and the hair patterning is pretty good actually. I think the top should also be made white though with some sort of design to top it all off.
6 жыл бұрын
Umbreona yeah cuz brown makes it look like a penis lol
@larryparks1520
@larryparks1520 8 жыл бұрын
Total phallic symbol.
@larryparks1520
@larryparks1520 7 жыл бұрын
***** In this case, it means dickhead;
@larryparks1520
@larryparks1520 7 жыл бұрын
***** You find penis symbolism throughout history. The Obelisk is another one. But Vagina symbolism is pervasive too. I guess sex sells.. lol
@larryparks1520
@larryparks1520 7 жыл бұрын
***** No? Look closer. This just scratches the surface of the topic. www.bustle.com/articles/111250-7-historical-symbols-for-the-vagina-that-do-it-justice
@0xCAFEF00D
@0xCAFEF00D 7 жыл бұрын
That all seems rather far fetched. Compared to this helmet anyway.
@lindybeige
@lindybeige 11 жыл бұрын
Depends on the period, but this was not the typical Spartan helmet. It was far more common with other city states.
@lindybeige
@lindybeige 11 жыл бұрын
Plenty of depictions of decorated helmets on vases, and paint traces on statues.
@matfejpatrusin4550
@matfejpatrusin4550 10 жыл бұрын
I lol'd at the end :D
@lindybeige
@lindybeige 11 жыл бұрын
See description of the first video. I just used acrylics, I'm afraid. I didn't see the point of being perfectly authentic when the underlying helmet was not perfectly kosher.
@LinoOliveira92
@LinoOliveira92 8 жыл бұрын
Hours of fun xD
@thegreenmamba100
@thegreenmamba100 5 ай бұрын
Hahaha, the head movement at the end was phenomenal. Also you do look pretty cool with the helmet up. I dig the style
@lindybeige
@lindybeige 11 жыл бұрын
Yes, I have 'latten' rings on my byrnie around the arm and neck holes. They are clearly visible in pictures in my website.
@justahappyfellow
@justahappyfellow 10 жыл бұрын
You sir, are awesome. Laughed a whole lot at the end.
@isaacderr2799
@isaacderr2799 2 жыл бұрын
You sir, ARE the great courses… plus very funny and good as dancing.
@Name2site
@Name2site 3 жыл бұрын
That bobble head ending was perfect! :D
@astoroth88
@astoroth88 10 жыл бұрын
End of the video = Dance Like an Egyptian song.
@andrewharper1609
@andrewharper1609 4 жыл бұрын
The Bangles. First song I remember hearing on TV.
@kindermord
@kindermord 11 жыл бұрын
I love the little dance at the end.
@ambrose1435
@ambrose1435 11 жыл бұрын
I love the decoration! It's great!
@clockworkcrew8012
@clockworkcrew8012 3 жыл бұрын
I would love to say that the pattern you did looks beautiful and I believe it adds a lot to the overall aesthetic of the helmet
@900schutter
@900schutter 11 жыл бұрын
I did not expect the little bit at the very end of the video, and i literally was rolling on the floor laughing. You made my day!
@Wunel
@Wunel 11 жыл бұрын
Another wonderful video. I do quite like your decorations, the hair at the back especially since it matches up nicely with a lot of depictions of hair of ancient Greeks I've seen on vases. Well done.
@godofacorns
@godofacorns 5 жыл бұрын
The final three seconds are amazing
@EltonJThe
@EltonJThe 10 жыл бұрын
Despite the lack of the horsehair, you are very creative! :) I like what you've done with yours.
@user-tr4ej8mw4s
@user-tr4ej8mw4s 5 жыл бұрын
Super cool decoration! I thought it was made like that.
@BelieveInUrself93
@BelieveInUrself93 7 жыл бұрын
The design is very beautiful
@lindybeige
@lindybeige 11 жыл бұрын
Yes, although their faces were pretty anonymous too!
@EternalDog
@EternalDog 11 жыл бұрын
Seeing as these were widely used by the Spartan hoplites, it seems like a good way to save metal making the back thinner as in a hoplite formation you would not retreat thus not showing the enemy the back of your helm.
@NorthmanUlfhednar
@NorthmanUlfhednar 11 жыл бұрын
Great videos!
@luckystriker7489
@luckystriker7489 8 жыл бұрын
I disable my AdBlocker just for you
@Odin029
@Odin029 8 жыл бұрын
+LuckyStriker That's one of the best compliments a youtuber can get
@dartholiver
@dartholiver 8 жыл бұрын
doesnt really help him, if you dont click the add... or does it? (no rethorical question)
@DanDart
@DanDart 7 жыл бұрын
depends how they're sold, some are just paid by the view, and some by the click
@dartholiver
@dartholiver 7 жыл бұрын
Kathie Dart K thx, I didnt know that!
@neilwilson5785
@neilwilson5785 7 жыл бұрын
I do that. I will watch an ad to support a good video. Of course, if the advertiser is shit, I will exit. What I hate most is companies that destroy jobs. Err... this one (G**gl*).
@blakewinter1657
@blakewinter1657 8 жыл бұрын
Well, _I_ like the decoration.
@Hrafnhistorical
@Hrafnhistorical 11 жыл бұрын
You are wonderful!
@Kobrag90
@Kobrag90 11 жыл бұрын
You seem very skilful with your decoration.
@nickc4063
@nickc4063 6 жыл бұрын
6:30 you can see modern day football players do the same thing.
@lindybeige
@lindybeige 11 жыл бұрын
They were not all so highly domed, and there are plenty of vase paintings showing long locks hanging below the helmets. I don't think there is such a thing as a 'Roman hoplite'.
@kylemercutio8408
@kylemercutio8408 11 жыл бұрын
What a fun channel this is. Subbed :)
@TheWhoaDude
@TheWhoaDude 11 жыл бұрын
Could you maybe do a video on roman military helmets? I like how thorough you are with your videos.
@G00t
@G00t 10 жыл бұрын
Could you do a video on medieval greathelms? you know, did people really use smaller helmets underneath them and how cumbersome/effective were they?
@RadicalAwesomeness
@RadicalAwesomeness 11 жыл бұрын
So cool
@cytherina
@cytherina 11 жыл бұрын
The helmets with the vestigial eye-holes remind me of those rapper baseball caps that are meant to be worn tilted sideways, with the logo or other decorations still pointing forwards however.
@John2r1
@John2r1 11 жыл бұрын
good video you still look like an athenian in your armour then anyother city state because of the way your armour is designed and yes i like the decoration you have done to your helmet. It seems to me to be something like what a rich guy would have had done to his helmet back in anicent greece.
@vs9741
@vs9741 8 жыл бұрын
I think helmets like the ones shown at 0:53 are good reminders that sometimes people make stuff that is pretty to look at, but might not really be functional, and it's necessary to be aware of that when looking back at these things and trying understand how they were used, especially in regards to classical civilizations, many of whom thought that form was more important function unlike modern day people who are much more functionalist.
@MrMartinSchou
@MrMartinSchou 11 жыл бұрын
Depending on the type of weaponry used against it, I think there are mechanical advantages to a high dome. It'll make glancing blows from above more frequent, and even direct hits onto the dome from above with something like a massive club, a hammer or heavy rocks will be unlikely to break your skull, as it would need to deform that much more metal.
@duran3d
@duran3d 11 жыл бұрын
In modern sport fencing, fencers usually rest their fencing mask on the forehead in the exactly the same way as the ancient Greeks whenever they are out of combat, in order to cool off.
@rubyslithers3445
@rubyslithers3445 9 жыл бұрын
that head bob tho
@FilthyManatee
@FilthyManatee 7 жыл бұрын
I'm the eye hole man, I'm the only one thats allowed to have eye holes
@shimmyshimmy420
@shimmyshimmy420 7 жыл бұрын
What's the opposite to wubba lubba dub dubs, amirite ladies and gentlemen
6 жыл бұрын
How come this guy doesn't monetize his videos? There's never any ads and this guy would be really wealthier with them
@oxis77gas
@oxis77gas 10 жыл бұрын
Romans use hoplites form kingdom to republic. Even in camillian reform (310 b.c.) , triarii looks like a hoplites, but after first punic war they change style with oval shield and this apulo corinthian helmet.
@BrianGriffin92
@BrianGriffin92 10 жыл бұрын
You sound like Toki Wartooth.
@bernard637
@bernard637 8 жыл бұрын
the painted design is actually really cool
@Nelogenazea
@Nelogenazea 11 жыл бұрын
I also noticed that it looked quite phallic... but yeah, now that you mentioned it, the greeks were a bit weird like that and one has to wonder if that was more than just a coincidence.
@Segalmed
@Segalmed 11 жыл бұрын
A high helmet has advantages. One can put padding into it, so it doubles as a hard-hat. Otherwise a hit stopped by the helmet might still crack your skull or break your neck. And of course (as mentioned) it makes one look bigger and more impressive. I wonder, whether the Greek hoplites also wore strong eyeshade to increase the psychological effect (as I have heard was done in the (early) Viking age in combination with the iconic goggle helmets (Vendelhelm)).
@bradyabby
@bradyabby 11 жыл бұрын
I really liked your older chainmail vids, I wanted to know if you ever used different color rings ie. Copper to do inlays? like a dragon pattern or other midievil emblem amongst the regular steel rings. I know copper is more soft than steel but it actually looks pretty sweet, especially assuming anyone who makes chainmail these days isnt actually going to be taking sword blows to the chest, even aluminum rings would to..
@tjordulf
@tjordulf 8 жыл бұрын
Informative vid, I quite like corinthian helms, but for all the world I couldn't stop thinking how much you REALLY sound like Graham Chapman from Monty Python, even, the delivery and mannerisms, had to remind myself, he's not a Wo man he's an ancient Gweek. I liked your Crusader helm vid too. Going to make one soon.
@JudgeEomer
@JudgeEomer 11 жыл бұрын
I can also imagine you might wear your helmet in the 'up' position to make it easier to talk, or to shout commands without deafening yourself. And of course, when returning victorious, you'd lift it up so the ladies can see you are not only brave, but handsome too.
@ContradictoryNature
@ContradictoryNature 11 жыл бұрын
That was pretty much the gist of the comments section on the previous video, too. Phallic symbols pervade warfare, but it's mostly because we read them that way.
@goddzillaZ
@goddzillaZ 11 жыл бұрын
I thought of another reason why the dome could be so pointed, as to conceal the actual shape of the head. As you come from the UK I assume you know of the Royal Guardsman's bearskins (which is what gave me the idea) to disguise the location of the head, making it more difficult to be hit.
@Caradepato
@Caradepato 11 жыл бұрын
Yeah, ive noticed the vestigial eyeholes in many etruscan helmets.... its very interesting how things evolve, with a mixture of practicality and tradition. Also, its nice to see some decorated versions. I mean, despite the archeology, most people still think that greece consisted of stark-white columns and unpainted marble statues.
@christosvoskresye
@christosvoskresye 8 жыл бұрын
Of course, the REAL reason for a helmet that shape is that the space aliens who taught them had heads that were naturally that shape! ;-)
@DanDart
@DanDart 7 жыл бұрын
And of course didn't need to deflect stuff any more than normal heads.
@absurdist5134
@absurdist5134 7 жыл бұрын
I quite liked your dance. Nice helmet though, the detail you put on it is nice. I never realized the thickness would change, I don't know why, it seems like an obvious thing, but for some reason I never considered it. Is this a typical feature of later helmets?
@epherium8177
@epherium8177 7 жыл бұрын
I want to play Skyrim again.
@QW22312
@QW22312 2 жыл бұрын
Have you played it again yet?
@Slithytove1000
@Slithytove1000 11 жыл бұрын
Another splendid video, but it's surely time for another episode of Stoke Mandeville? Could everyone else please go and watch those, so Lloyd knows to pay a bit more attention to that party of his KZfaq kingdom?
@malkrow21
@malkrow21 11 жыл бұрын
"Some more points about Corinthian helmets" from the 8th of March? I don't think this video was in my subscription that day; this is the first time I've noticed it.
@MrCearl
@MrCearl 11 жыл бұрын
Yes the early Roman army did make use of the Greek phalanx formation complete with hoplites, likewise they also had their hair longer than in Late Republican and Imperial times, however that's no reason to be rude! Also having a helmet domed simply to bundle up your locks before battle sounds pretty iffy even if it does make a little sense. Helmets are generally domed to cause downward blows to glance aside.
@banthablasterprime1111
@banthablasterprime1111 11 жыл бұрын
I do like the hair, nice.
@jackthejackrabbit1947
@jackthejackrabbit1947 3 жыл бұрын
ok the corinthian helmets were mostly used by spartans during the pelopanesion war but some athenians did use them and put a blue plume instead of a red one, which were commonly used by spartans, and the polymarch helmets were mostly corinthian helms aswell
@knailstheman
@knailstheman 5 жыл бұрын
The text at the end is related to something I was recently thinking of, how did ancient peoples avoid sunburn? Just keep covered with hat/cloak? Or like pigs use mud or something similar?
@user-en3lu2ct5k
@user-en3lu2ct5k 8 жыл бұрын
watching the first video I was gonna ask if it would be practical to wear the helmet up after the ''main assault''once the battle get messy and you need to see the ground
@MiniMackeroni
@MiniMackeroni 11 жыл бұрын
Plus, you could look down and watch where you step when you're walking through the woods.
@gtbkts
@gtbkts 4 жыл бұрын
Commenting for support
@lindybeige
@lindybeige 11 жыл бұрын
I would not fight with it that way - it would soon fall off. I could stand and talk easily enough, though.
@yanniskusogaki
@yanniskusogaki 11 жыл бұрын
Oh please,do come to Athens.And if you do,please do tell.I'm a big fan.I'll be more than happy to show you around...to whatever's left of it at least.Maybe I'll have my shield-making improved by then and you can take one home with you to match that helmet.
@leighrate
@leighrate 8 жыл бұрын
Raised helmet indicated friendly intentions?
@hastisc
@hastisc 7 жыл бұрын
leighrate yeah, like my raised helmet right now
@normanfreeman5205
@normanfreeman5205 4 жыл бұрын
If you look closely, Napoleonic cavalry helmets have that same look; the fake raised-Corinthian.
@andrewharper1609
@andrewharper1609 4 жыл бұрын
Nah, because in ancient Greece you were only gay if you take it.
@andrewclayton4181
@andrewclayton4181 3 жыл бұрын
And enable the wearer to look down! But any inattentive enemy might still think you are looking forward.
@ballinlikestalin3642
@ballinlikestalin3642 10 жыл бұрын
Yes, Spartans in particular had really long hair and beards.
@TheNateDevourer
@TheNateDevourer 11 жыл бұрын
Many earlier Roman formations, and the Triarrii of the pre-Marian manipular formations, fought in a similar style to Greek hoplites. So I suspect he either meant that, or he got his cultures mixed up.
@kevinwu5169
@kevinwu5169 7 жыл бұрын
Lindy, the eyeholes being decorations on a helmet never meant to be worn on the face was so that people could look taller. Yes, the ancient Greeks weren't that tall.
@johnbouras3422
@johnbouras3422 9 жыл бұрын
Right you won me over with the Athens comment. subscribeachieved
@Slithytove1000
@Slithytove1000 11 жыл бұрын
Plus, more axes! I thought this was a channel about axes!
@TotallyNotElPresidente
@TotallyNotElPresidente 10 жыл бұрын
Well the Romans did fight in hoplite formations prior to the (1st?) Sarmatian War...but I dunno if you'd call them "Roman Phalanxes" though.
@kyle857
@kyle857 6 жыл бұрын
These always seemed to make a lot more sense to me than any medieval helmets.
@kaizers2171
@kaizers2171 11 жыл бұрын
Have been watching your videos for some years now, yet I know almost nothing about you. You should do a "Who am I and my take on life" video!
@vinja89
@vinja89 11 жыл бұрын
i always thought doming was used because it would deflect a blow better the steeper the dome?
@hyuugaamida
@hyuugaamida 11 жыл бұрын
That or a leather suspension system. It's the same idea as the rubber suspensions in modern helmets.
@TagmatonDomestikon
@TagmatonDomestikon 11 жыл бұрын
In the very early days of Rome they did fight using phalanxes I believe.
@extondude
@extondude 11 жыл бұрын
Just ordered one of these off Ebay, £30, made of 18 gauge steel, the only damage is that the horse hair plume has fallen off, but i'm sure I can find a way of getting it back on.
@cmur078
@cmur078 11 жыл бұрын
Hadrian and the next few emperors all had beards. But they were pretty rare before that.
@langhalsen
@langhalsen 11 жыл бұрын
Did they use any sort of cloth padding or something between the head and the helmet?
@goberdabelch
@goberdabelch 10 жыл бұрын
the knight shop does a brass version of this helm
@pylbetajv
@pylbetajv 10 жыл бұрын
Making spherical stuff is really hard. I would argue that is good reason for the shape of it. I have no knowledge of the subject however so I would probably be wrong.
@hastisc
@hastisc 7 жыл бұрын
pylbetajv most likely meant to look like the head of a male's phallus, as (from what I've read among the other comments) they were not as... shy about them as we are nowadays.
@Kharmazov
@Kharmazov 11 жыл бұрын
IIRC from 500 to 300 BC Romans or rather Italians(Etruscans,Latins etc.) used greek style weapons and armor atleast to some deegree. There are several osprey series book on that perticular period.
@jphurrah
@jphurrah 11 жыл бұрын
Loving the paint work. As to the worn up effect, both for breathers between bouts and taking on water I can see it being an advantage, whether it was intentional on not, who knows?. Yes, It does look a bit penis like! But I certainly would not want to say that too loudly within earshot of a whole phalanx of hoplites fully dressed for aggravation! But I would not be surprised if that goad was in a peltasts armoury!
@BrixBG
@BrixBG 10 жыл бұрын
thank you for the answer! :-)
@opkeanos88
@opkeanos88 7 жыл бұрын
will you do a video about Rome helmet?
@elgostine
@elgostine 8 жыл бұрын
ah the italo corinthian helmet, shows what happens when fashin and military mjatters collide plus the slow realisation that everyone just wears the thing like this anyway, might as well make IT the helmet
@PatGilliland
@PatGilliland 11 жыл бұрын
Decoration - dead sexy. There ya go.
@ioanus1010
@ioanus1010 7 жыл бұрын
Did you make tunic and cuirass yourself? And if yes how? Any tips?
@Tounushi
@Tounushi 5 жыл бұрын
Would the original examples have had suspension or padding?
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