Why not a ring attached to the blade tips so the whole thing turns? So now the "gap" is zero. With typical hysteresis set at 1 or more seconds, the mass inertia can't be the reason, and weight is irrelevant at a constant speed. What am I missing?

1:49 Why not use USB Type-C as the connection standard (And USB PD as the power standard)? Enough with the funky proprietary connectors!

Hopefully you will eventually be able to test all of the new RGB "Ecosystems" and see which is best. or if any are even recommendable.

Garbage fans just like all the rest. Slowers latency with corsair software, lian li does some… if you want performance run through motherboard everything.

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Sadly it won’t happen. They want to hook you on their ecosystem. Just like apple does. You have like one thing from them. And you have to buy their other stuff in order to make it easier for yourself.

@@YuokoII there's a reason Open RGB exists. It's 3 color values along with brightness... it's not too difficult to do.

For a guy that have cut / extended his wires to fit to the mm for years / decades, not that big of a problem. And today the same guy never really big on RGB, well today he literally HATE RGB, so even less of a problem. The guy are also done customizing wires and sleeving, and the guy also way past his OC days. Guy can / will do water cooling, but guy have a poo load of hardline fittings in surplus CUZ guy cant be bothered with that poop anyway so GUY stick to his Tygon hose with next build. Mind you, guy will put 4 radiators in his next build 2 triple and 2 dual.

Simple solution - just buy fans without RGB. I've got 10 NF-A12s in my system and have never once been upset by the lack of extra lighting.

@@AshnSilvercorp Yeah I use SignalRGB myself. But software won’t fix hardware issue with amount of hubs you need if you are going with different brands

A standard protocol would be awesome, but I doubt it will happen. I just hope it remains similar enough to their existing controller protocols to make integration into OpenRGB straightforward. Hopefully the new connector at least allows for automatic detection of number of LEDs per device/channel, something the basic ARGB connection lacks.

@@CalcProgrammer1 I saw that you made a reddit comment about this on the OpenRGB subreddit, but i hate the way Asrock boards work with OpenRGB...It's so broken because Asrock's RGB solutions are some of the worst on the market...the polychrome sync application is absolutely ridiculous...i hope one day Asrock users will be able to control more in OpenRGB so i don't have to use polychrome sync just to give my PCB lights a different effect than my cooler lights

@@JackieLombardi Unfortunately in ASRock's case it's a limitation of their RGB controller firmware, not the PC side software. They don't offer "direct mode" which allows for continuous streaming of RGB data from software. Because they save every change to the internal flash memory, it will wear out the flash memory over time if you continuously change the effect.

@@JackieLombardi I turned off RGB in my bios on Steel Legend. It's now back on. I didn't turn it back on. It also stays on sometimes when the PC's shut down. The Polychrome app takes approximately 14 months to actually load and get started from clicking on the icon. Hot. Garbage.

To be honest, OpenRGB is also hot garbage. it crashes constantly, and works when it feels like it. But it would be nice indeed if the RGB was managed a bit like HID devices. you can get control from windows, or from the manufacturer's app (or 3rd party). Lets hope MS Dynamic lighting nudges them towards that direction.

I started the previous build with a set of Thermaltake Pure fans for the same reason. I wasted a lot of time trying to make them not be a noisy vibrating mess, and eventually gave up and got a set of Corsair ones. Despite being inferior in terms of performance, at least they somehow managed to be more reliably silent at lowest settings...

What...? Just buy any fans that 3pin.

@@jim8571 It wasn't just the fans. It was water blocks, pumps, plates, etc. Like EK would have the plate I wanted, Corsair would have the pump, and Thermaltake the fans, and all of them were mutually incompatible. I was on the hunt for 140mm fans, which made my choices even worse. If I was after 120mm, I would have just used whatever fans with Phantek's Halos.

Even better, don't buy or use RGB?

@@benisrood What a great and useful solution, thank you so much for your input.

"predatory, anti-consumer practices" Dude... give 5 people the task to solve a problem and they turn out to be different and not compatible to each other. You cannot, even if it may actually be the case, conclude from that fact alone that there is any maliciousnes in it. To phrase it like that is disingenuous at best. If you want a unified standard that actually works, go and form some kind of forum, think of a system that is useful and upgradable (see how well that works) and in an acceptable price range to manufacture and pay the big player manufacturers to adopt it so the smaller ones follow suite.

@@Finsternis.. yeah I realize this situation is more complicated and it’s not some big conspiracy, really just emerging tech where standards aren’t defined yet. But there definitely are a lot of cases in the hardware space where manufacturers could have adhered to standards and chose not to because of greed, and i appreciate when reviewers have the gumption to call out that kind of behavior

​@@breadworkshop Same in the software space... Gamers hate having a million launchers, right? That's like having a million fan hubs... The chances of eventually getting an open standard for fan connections is higher than the chances of getting an open API for game launchers. They all make their own, as they want the features they think is cool and needed. Sharing specs would make it possible for consumers to simply buy another brand, it's financially much better for them to force consumers into a proprietary eco-system. If game launchers all had an open API for basic functionality like user management/friend list, lobbies/server invite, chat, voice chat and so on. If launchers allowed you to connect to third party services and list, update and launch games from that service... If launchers had a store that could search across all linked services, then these services could host their own little store section, they wouldn't have that sales cut that eventually made publishers create their own launchers, it would be such a better experience for gamers. One unified launcher with support for all gaming services, no one having monopoly on the launcher/store market... They could all make a launcher the way they think it should look, and simply support the open API for cross-connectivity, seems so simple and smart, but there's no value in it for any of them to do this. If they did Valve/Steam would no longer be able to take their 20% to 30% cut of sales. Valve is in an anti-competitive and anti-consumer position, but unlike so many other brands, people blindly loves Valve and Gabe. These fan standards being proprietary, especially during development is really not that big a deal. Smack a few hubs in your system and use a few apps... Having an open standard also restricts you from how you can develop that standard, especially if you intend for other brands to join in. This is not just software that can easily be modified, this is physical hardware that hopefully stays supported for many years.

Unfortunately I don't think it's feasible to have a universal standard for RGB hardware connections at this point. There are too many competing standards and manufacturers are entrenched in their own creations now. However, we absolutely can still standardize the software side! Unfortunately, that standardization means building wrappers around all the proprietary protocols to bring them all into the same standard, but that's what we're trying to achieve with OpenRGB.

100% agree

@@CalcProgrammer1 You guys are doing amazing work. I didn't realize just how convulted this actually was until digging into your software and it seems like a nightmare. Certainly not a project most people would want to take on so thank you for everything you've managed to do so far.

But if it's top notch hardware, which it is, then they're still serving a customer who wants it. People want a streamlined experience and it's just not feasible to expect that with a 100 different brands of hardware in 1 PC case lol.

I'm so happy with OpenRGB 🙏 Nice and lightweight, no bloated crap :] I run two groups of uni fans, which terminate into ARGB and PWM. They go into a single hub (cooler master) which connects to the motherboard only with ARGB and PWM, no extra USB cables. I think this is about as clean of an RGB setup as you can get right now. I understand the shortcomings of ARGB but still prefer this over the proprietary stuff.

@@ronniekregar3482 Don't worry, within a year there will be availability of 100 different "brands" of counterfeit Corsair fans...

Really appreciate all the hard work that has gone into OpenRGB. PC building would be so much worse without software like OpenRGB, Fan Control, and other programs like them.

i skipped the rgb in my current rig, but as a linux user i have to thank the open rgb devs for not only making rgb tolerable in general, but usable on linux without a windows vm.

razer really needs it too, their software is atrocious.

I've been trying!

They want you to be locked into their system, forcing you stick with their brand. The same issue applies to battery tools.

@@CalcProgrammer1 by someone I mean a major manufacture, but if you can get the job done and adopted, more power to you.

(CalcProgrammer1 is the person behind OpenRGB, for context.)

@@-opus ugh don't get me started on tool batteries

That is indeed a very good point and will be very problematic with older cases and not to mention with multiple radiators where the protruding connectors may interfere with your other fans...

where have you been????? iCue BS been out for years =complete crap and closed Eco

Lol the ekwb controller never worked. Not really sure on the hardware part but the software never did, they shipped hardware with non functional software. They immediately suspended sales and like 6 months later tried "new software" that didn't work either.

@@Apollo-Computers It kinda worked. I still have one lying around. I was about to hook it back up in my PC a week ago when i needed more temperature sensors, but realized i have no spare USB on my mobo. But the software was trash, that's true.

RGB hardware with garbage software? Now I want one to try and add it to OpenRGB...

@@CalcProgrammer1 the one interesting feature it had is 5 temperature sensor ports. I wanted to hook one up to 4090 power connector :D

UTB Type C would be great. The problem is the cost of implementation which would be way too high for the fans and RGB use case. Unless someone comes to the market with a very cheap single chip solution, this is mission impossible.

USB is WAY too expensive to implement for something like this, and its protocol is unfit for this application. Using USB would add at least $5 to each fan - and you would be limited to linking three or four in a chain. Something like I2C or RS485 is a way better choice.

I like how you think but yeah USB C would be ridiculously overkill and expensive for this purpose

Unfortunately I don't see it happening on the physical/hardware layer, but we're trying to fix this issue in software with OpenRGB!

The cheap stuff isn't and never will be proprietary. Daisy chained 12v molex ftw 😅

thank god i hate RGB so none of this affects me!

I forsee Microsoft's implementation of RGB control being the worst option out there, especially with their track record on Win 11.

@@reaperreaper5098 I just want to be able to turn the stuff off without needing to run bloatware to do it. My MB has a switch to turn Polychrome (ASRock's RGB control) off in the BIOS, but I still have to run the separate Polychrome app in Windows to keep the RAM and GPU lights turned off across reboots. That's crazy.

Thanks for spreading the word!

Maybe Channels such as Gamers Nexus or JZTWOCents should feature it more.

I use OpenRGB on a couple systems where it's perfectly enough, and iCUE on my main. OpenRGB is absolutely great if you want basic things with minimal footprint, but there are undeniably benefits to an overpriced but heavily invested ecosystem - mainly in the form of flexibility and convenience.

@@Lishtenbird I disagree. All my devices have identical functionality in OpenRGB as they would in CAM, ASRock's software, Precision X1 (the RGB part) etc. And it's literally just one place. Like I said, my X63 let's my sync my AIO block lighting to my CPU temperature (or any other temperature I want). How on earth is using 5 different utilities or being limited to one hardware vendor more convenient. It's also WAY more lightweight and doesn't tank gaming performance.

Car ppl wonder the same thing about underbody neon Just be glad these people are willing to clearly identify themselves when it comes to the second hand market so you know who to run away from

How is it proprietary? The definition of that in computers would be Apple and how they only let you use certain hardware and peripherals. Corsair is just a brand and do not have propriety computer systems like Apple do (you can put just about any PC compatible hardware in a Corsair case for example). Phanteks, Noctua or Deepcool are brands. Are they propriety too? Their iCue is trying to be a unified system for lighting and stuff, but it does let you use other brands, unlike Apple and their propriety attitude to hardware. I have iCue and it does support using other brands. It's a bit janky though. I end up having to use several programs to control my RGB stuff. A pain in the butt really. Ciao.

​@@aquilarossa5191 Can you stick a set of Lian Li Unifans into this setup? They don't use the same fan hub connector as this new one.

@@aquilarossa5191 lmao a Corsair white knight

@@RafitoOoO instead of Corsair white knight intead you can call him a trash garbage price os crap sheep.

​@@moldyshishkaboblol, why the hell would you even wanna do that?

How good a company is only becomes known when you need customer service.

corsair's support is some of the worst in the industry, with asus leading the pile good luck on your returns, i learned this lesson a long time ago

​@@garetht677 Yes, greed. and profit, you can take your fantasies of the "poor component makers" and stuff it.

@@garetht677 and at the end of the day, that is worth it for the macro-level benefits, i would much rather have a smaller, "less innovative", tech sector, if it meant being organized along more egalitarian open-source and shareware based philosophy, rather than one slanted to give the already-rich more baskets of money to dump into the vault.

Corsair stuff tends to be relatively similar to their existing stuff. I doubt their new ARGB controller will be too difficult to implement, though if they added new features to auto-detect the fan LED configuration that would be additional work (though nice to have for simplicity).

Support them by donating this hardware to them if you want them to support it.

Actually, Microsoft is working on implementing RGB control right from windows with "Dynamic Lighting". I believe it's available for testing on the insider versions right now.

@@ledoynier3694 oh awesome! Will definitely help reduce need for these low quality apps