Costuming in Historical Fantasy vs. Historical Accuracy in Movies & TV // Bridgerton Costumes

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Ah yes, another Bridgerton costume video...woo! However, in this video, I don't actually want to talk about the historical accuracy, or lack thereof, in Netflix's Bridgerton...because I don't actually see the point. What I do want to talk about, is how impressive that they custom built that entire wardrobe department in 5 months, as someone who has worked with supplying TV, Film, and Theatre at my old job, I know, very well, how difficult it can be working in a production's costuming department.
I also want to make the larger point about how important Bridgerton is to the broader cosplay/costuming community, how this hating of historical fantasy isn't actually anything new - there were strong responses to Sofia Coppola's Marie Antoinette (2006) as well as the first season of Outlander when they came out. Bridgerton really isn't anything different. Comparing Bridgerton to the likes of Emma 2020 is, honestly, pointless, because they're not meant to be the same.
Basically, the point of this video (other than making a larger Community TV reference 😂) is that I want to present a different way of thinking about historical costuming in tv and movies. That not every show or movie is going to focus on historical accuracy, and that historical fantasy is a good thing.
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@AbbyCox 3 жыл бұрын

Thanks for the sweater love! It was a gift from Nicole for Christmas and it came from Sezane: www.sezane.com/us/collection/knitwear I also wanted to add an additional note about the costuming build for Bridgerton - the Costume Industry Coalition (the organization behind the Hamilton Spencer Jacket that Bernadette did the documentary for) did an IG post the other day about how there were costume shops all over the world who worked on the builds for Bridgerton - including the US, UK, Italy, Spain, and Bucharest. The level of organization that had to happen to make this series happens blows my mind and gives me just a *little* bit of anxiety. 😂

@stevezytveld6585 3 жыл бұрын

Absolutely mind blowing. I want a documentary camera crew (working on 75mm film stock so we can get every juicy detail) following all of the costume production shops doing their monumental job. How do you even plan that. The spreadsheets must have been terrifying. - Cathy (&, accidently, Steve), Ottawa/Bytown

@amiejo 3 жыл бұрын

Also wanted to add- the costume coalition has released the Spencer Pattern in a larger size range!!!!!!

@michellecornum5856 3 жыл бұрын

Definitely LOVING the sweater. My sister had one like that and I always LOVED it. (never got to wear it, but SOOOO wanted to)

@_amyplify 3 жыл бұрын

I loved this video, I just wish the increasingly unrealistic expectations of the costuming industry were flagged for what they are - exploitation.

@marikotrue3488 3 жыл бұрын

While I cannot organize lunch for two (extra nod to the generous sponsor of this program who I am hoping continues to support this worthy channel), I am really happy that multiple, international costume shops were used. This means survival of something which should survive, apologies to the late Mr. Darwin for mucking up his algorithm.

@Hildegardvonblingin 3 жыл бұрын

The tight lacing under an empire waistline was...hilarious. But yes, as someone who makes historically inaccurate fluff myself, it’s helpful to remember that not all media is intended to be a perfect facsimile. This is a nuanced explanation and it doesn’t hurt that you’re so darn charming!

@tukicat1399 3 жыл бұрын

The modern high heels on the gymnast..stretch fabric.. no bonnets...

@sarasamaletdin4574 3 жыл бұрын

I mean that was just stupid. It doesn’t need to be perfect but you need to only think a second why you would not need to thightlace. Also it makes the characters look dim and the corset look worse and it’s a lace trope. Something like bonnets can be left out but you should have costumes that make sense.

@ArtemisScribe 3 жыл бұрын

I believe that the Featherington girls wear tight stays as a commentary on their mother being a control freak. It's also why their mother's gowns have figure hugging silhouettes rather than the empire silhouettes of the other women (except the queen) and all the other characters we see in their under things are shown wearing short stays.

@WinkyGirls 3 жыл бұрын

Jup it was hilarious 😂 Though I would not state that my regency corset is made very accurate to an original, it simply cannot be tight laced, or at least that does not do anything for my waist...(or bust) That wooden plank (damn I forgot the word for it) going from in between the boobs to and a bit past the waist doesn't help creating A slimmer waist. It does help in separating the breasts and make my front rather flat (in vertical line) I had to laugh at the lacing in the first episode (haven't watched the rest yet, but will)

@04nbod 3 жыл бұрын

@@tukicat1399 Not clothing but the hair. The long hair in the evening. The Fringe....:o

@kirstenpaff8946 3 жыл бұрын

I find it hilarious how the entire costuming community's reaction to Bridgerton seems to be: "I can roll with the candy colored polyester extravaganza, but for the love of all that is holy stop with the shiftless tight lacing!"

@cjmiller5972 3 жыл бұрын

I have seen some discussions about Queen Charlotte being out of fashion when, as a queen with her eye on the social scene, she should have been on the cutting edge. A friend of mine and I have a theory about this and how it supports the story: George III is shown to be mentally ill in a way that seems to align to a kind of dementia, such as when he forgets that his daughter died and he accuses Charlotte of killing her. My friend and I theorize that Charlotte wearing clothes in the style of her youth is a subtle indicator of how she tries to get George to recognize her since, with his memory wandering, he is more likely to know who she is if she dresses as she did when they were first married. She wears the style all the time so that if he is lucid, she can go to him immediately without stopping to change. To me, this seems like an interesting way that the costume supports the story line, even though it is not historically accurate.

@alejandramoreno6625 3 жыл бұрын

also, queen Charlotte was not at the cutting edge of fashion either, that is why court dress was so out of wack. The queen even made women wear hoops even when the fashion was very different at the time.

@livelovelife32 3 жыл бұрын

How interesting! That actually makes quite a bit of sense! The moments when he was lucid may have been fleeting so anything that would have taken up precious time in getting to him would have to be reduce. Just that gesture alone shows just how much she loved him.

@madisonm.4535 3 жыл бұрын

This is why I get iffy when people bash designers when they weren't necessarily striving for historical inaccuracy and could have been making a very intentional design choice for a specific reason such as this which fits well. It's worth researching why the designer made a choice to better understand it or just understand that it may have been intentional for reasons such as this. It's worth speculating and analyzing why they made the choice. I'm only an aspiring designer not a professional but I know even if I don't have time to give every specific reason for every design choice there is still a reason because I am playing close attention to detail in my work and am being very intentional and pretty much everything has a specific reason behind it but we'd be here for hours if I rattled them all off. That's in my own work at least.

@annabelcrescibene4257 2 жыл бұрын

@@alejandramoreno6625 I feel like he clearly has Dementia/Alzheimer’s rather than a mental illness in the general sense.

@grassj6002 10 ай бұрын

Were you blessed with the gift of prophecy by Apollo or something? Cuz this is basically confirmed in Queen Charlotte, or at least gained traction as a theory lmao

@e.urbach7780 3 жыл бұрын

I think that part of the problem is referring to Bridgerton as a "period drama"! As you said, it's not a period drama, it's a bodice-ripper Regency-ish romance novel/soap opera on film ... Looking at it like that, the costumes make perfect sense, and I'm actually surprised that they aren't *more* inaccurate than they are!

@Anna-rk2wi 3 жыл бұрын

Yes! According to the author, it is the first television adaptation of a regency-themed romance novel. Thus it is an entirely new genre/subgenre

@AWordorNinety 3 жыл бұрын

Some links on the real Black men and women that lived in the UK in the 18th and 19th Centuries, very few Brits are educated on quite how present they were, in all classes of society. Below are links, accounts and excerpts from books talking about the community at the time as well as their white British descendents today. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sara_Forbes_Bonetta en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cesar_Picton mobile.twitter.com/bbctwo/status/796464416321585156?lang=en en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_people_in_Ireland en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Julius_Soubise www.standard.co.uk/culture/exhibitions/photographs-of-black-britons-in-1800s-unearthed-after-125-years-reveal-rich-and-diverse-black-presence-a3251531.html%3famp www.fubiz.net/en/2020/07/22/pictures-of-black-victorians-to-celebrate-black-british-culture-2/ en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ignatius_Sancho en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Committee_for_the_Relief_of_the_Black_Poor en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sons_of_Africa www.dartmouth.edu/library/digital/publishing/books/gerzina1995/ www.cambridge.org/core/journals/irish-historical-studies/article/africans-in-eighteenthcentury-ireland/B135E1A488292C403EF99869903B6AEF umich.edu/~ece/student_projects/rebel_women/minorities.html en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dido_Elizabeth_Belle en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joseph_Antonio_Emidy en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ira_Aldridge en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Archer_(British_politician) en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Samuel_Coleridge-Taylor en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fanny_Eaton en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Francis_Barber kzfaq.info/get/bejne/ibuSp8eCldatYIU.html #Bridgerton

@phangirlable 3 жыл бұрын

@@AWordorNinety But this is not what the show does. It's not showing realistic presence of POCs in that time in England, it's just places them randomly everywhere and gives the impression to ignorant or uninformed people that this is a historical reality by calling it a period drama. Plus, it's condescending and kind of ridiculing the POC actors.

@phangirlable 3 жыл бұрын

@@Anna-rk2wi Huh? I'm pretty sure there are plenty of tv Jane Austin adaptations.

@Stettafire 3 жыл бұрын

@@Anna-rk2wi I mean, calling it a "first" is a BIG stretch. Lots of such adaptations came around in the 80s and 90s and even earlier. It's not a new genre, rather an old one. But certainly one that doesn't aim for accuracy, rather aims more towards fantasy and that's ok. But no way in hell is it the first lol :P

@henryjjwilkinson 3 жыл бұрын

Thank you for this! I was one of the embellishers for the costumes on Bridgerton and I have to say, despite being someone who loves fashion history and (on most occasions) accuracy, it was so refreshing to work on a show where everyone could truly express their creativity. There was a huge number of costumes to work on, but the team was made up of so many incredibly talented and experienced artists. It was a genuine pleasure to be a part of 💙

@johannageisel5390 3 жыл бұрын

So, did you wield a bedazzler?

@EH23831 3 жыл бұрын

Great work Henry!! The embellishments on the gowns were mouth watering! 😍 I bet you did have fun! 🥳

@gretchenlynn89 3 жыл бұрын

You and your team made costumes that were such a joy to see on screen!! And my, potentially unpopular, opinion is Lady Fetherington had some of the best costumes. The patterns! The fit! It totally suited her character and I loved it. Y'all did amazing work 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻

@LizziMummy 3 жыл бұрын

The costumes were stunning! Especially the embellishments. 💕

@samgreenbergart 3 жыл бұрын

As someone who also generally loves historical accuracy depending on the type of film/tv show, I have been absolutely loving the costumes, wigs, and overall style of the series. Everything so distinctly belongs in the world of Bridgerton, which really separates this series from other regency set shows or films. I view it as a historical fantasy, and accurate or not, there was clearly a lot of incredible work done on all of the costumes.

@lady14bug 3 жыл бұрын

The lack of shifts and chemises was unforgivable tho...

@AbbyCox 3 жыл бұрын

I feel really bad for the laundry crew...

@davriecaro3036 3 жыл бұрын

@@AbbyCox Yes imagine some poor costuming intern or assistant. Cleaning all of the stays alone

@e.urbach7780 3 жыл бұрын

@@davriecaro3036 I imagine it involved a *lot* of spraying with vodka (an old theater costume trick for disinfecting costume pieces that either can't be washed at all, or have to be more or less clean in less time than it would take to wash and dry them)!

@davriecaro3036 3 жыл бұрын

@@e.urbach7780 I think that some of the vodka might have found its way to that person's mouth

@sisuguillam5109 3 жыл бұрын

@Jonathan Parks Vodca is cheaper, I think?

@adrianamo819 3 жыл бұрын

As a Hollywood assistant, that request sounds like every other Tuesday. Legit, the asks we get make The Devil Wears Prada look like preschool. Honestly, the fact that the costume department got the ridiculous amount of garments done and out the door is a feat of legend.

@adrianamo819 3 жыл бұрын

@@availanila lol no. The Devil Wears Prada is about an assistant that is asked to do the impossible on a regular basis - totally ridiculous tasks with a boss that is strict, exacting, and mean. In reality, Hollywood producers are actually much worse than the movie even shows. Reality makes the movie seem like a nice environment, like preschool, because the kinds of ridiculous things that actual assistants have to do are actually much worse.

@karensantos5421 3 жыл бұрын

@@availanila She's saying the brutality of life in that industry portrayed in the movie The Devil Wears Prada makes it look like preschool compared to the reality in the costume making industry. Its waaaay harsher. Something to that extent.

@alexisrobinson3225 3 жыл бұрын

The 2006 Marie Antoinette movie is sooo pervasive in art too! I'm a studio art major and and in one of my courses art of the 18th century class we watched that movie and analyzed its importance and how it made Versailles's abundance even more digestible for a modern viewer. It's truly spectacular.

@katherinemorelle7115 3 жыл бұрын

I say this a lot- that while not all the pieces of Marie Antoinette were HA, the *vibe* certainly was! It’s still my favourite movie for costuming of all time. I was one of the ones who loved it as soon as it came out. I was primed for it, I already loved Sophia Coppola, and I’d follow her anywhere after the masterpiece that was The Virgin Suicides. Honestly, she doesn’t get anywhere near enough credit. I think she’s a better filmmaker than her father.

@teenelf 3 жыл бұрын

I think it did a good job in presenting the sheer opulence of those first years in Versailles for her in a way that everyone in modern society can relate to. The obsession with fashion, the parties, the food, it was a whirlwind that made me, at least, how overwhelming it must have been for her after the relative austerity MA was raised in, to find herself in that situation... Although, yeah, it is not Historically Accurate by a long shot.

@gianmarcorusso1713 3 жыл бұрын

@@katherinemorelle7115 In my opinion the costumes were mostly historically accurate, there were just a few licenses here and there which added that certain artsy factor. The shoegazing, dream-poppish aesthetics and the occasional post-punk/new wave/indie music imo matched well with the decadent Versailles in the last decades of the Ancien Régime. It's one those movies where the main core is correct, yet there are some artistic liberties added upon. In Bridgerton everything is a fantasy.

@gianmarcorusso1713 3 жыл бұрын

@@katherinemorelle7115 btw I loved that movie too, and actually found it underrated.

@MarieSuzette 3 жыл бұрын

"not afraid to use it" -- literally any person who has ever held a bedazzler.

@terrynstasha 3 жыл бұрын

😔 I never held a bedazzler and I asked for it for Christmas every year for like 5 years. Lol

@CyberMercy 3 жыл бұрын

The jobs not done till to run out of beads

@TakiKimono 3 жыл бұрын

Bedazzler. 2000s. Your jeans. No mercy.

@CyberMercy 3 жыл бұрын

@@TakiKimono that sounds Like a Future adventure: In a world where Minimalism dominates, one woman uncovers a relic from the past to lead her people to bright glimmering future: Beadazzler 2000's -show jeans no mercy!

@TakiKimono 3 жыл бұрын

@@CyberMercy If you owned one, you know.

@Jazzcat-nj8uy 3 жыл бұрын

I have no problem with the costuming in primarily a fantasy series not being historically accurate. But the lack of suitable fit on the Penelope character (the only leading plus-sized character) is just unforgivable.

@melissac8006 3 жыл бұрын

This! I've seen some people who have read the books talk about it being intentional and that her fashion should improve in future seasons, but if that's the case, I feel like they needed to make it more obvious? Maybe have her/other characters comment on how her dresses don't fit properly, having her pinch and pull to attempt to make them sit properly, etc. As they appear in the show, it just looks like bad costuming 🤦‍♀️ (and maybe it just is and the book readers are giving them too much credit 😂)

@merletwowildsymphonies1836 3 жыл бұрын

@@melissac8006 I feel the pain (I'm fat), but it truly is part of her story arc. In her book (which everybody should read, because it's the best one out of the series and no one will ever convince me otherwise) she talks about how her mother made all her dressing choices regarding fit and colours (she later stops this as she is convinced Penelope would never land a husband, but again, it makes more sense when you actually read the book). they try to show it when she takes out her dress in this one scene while her sisters are very excited and exclaim the colours and Penelope says "... and mine is yellow" and they also highlight the mother's questionable fashion taste when the designer delivers the dresses after the bills have been paid and she tells them that nobody else wanted the fabrics. but i get that it's difficult to catch without knowing the books. I just really really hope they plan to fully tell her story in the next seasons.

@Costumerchx 3 жыл бұрын

100%

@brennerc180 3 жыл бұрын

@@merletwowildsymphonies1836 I wish it would have been more obvious in the show that it was intentional! I didn’t catch that, I just saw that they dressed Penelope in bodices that cut straight across her nipples (ouch!) and it severely annoyed me because it looked like they just didn’t bother getting the correct fit on the one plus sized main character. Though tbh I didn’t finish the series, so maybe it was made clearer later.

@theDeadliestPants 3 жыл бұрын

Half the time, the part that was supposed to go under her bust was ON her bust. It cut her in half in a weird way and made her look larger than she was. Maybe that was the point, though? She was meant to be a character no one paid attention to. The wall flower.

@Shannonlee1985 3 жыл бұрын

The historical accuracy bothered me until I got 5 minutes in and realized it was more of a historical fantasy. The lack of chemise and tight lacing did bug me a little though. I LOVED the show though and I can’t wait for the next season.

@kickbuttmama 3 жыл бұрын

I get the fantasy aspect - but the chemise and tight lacing KILLED me.

@anjulinoname4915 3 жыл бұрын

I needed about half of the first episode to get really into it. First I was a bit put off, until I was able to appreciate the unique and fun approach.

@kitdubhran2968 3 жыл бұрын

@DelmezaRane random, but thank you. Finding actual resources on this online, if you don’t know exactly where to look is a huge pain in the a$$.

@AWordorNinety 3 жыл бұрын

@kamilaferens682 3 жыл бұрын

The mention on how costume department works on "we-need-this-piece-for-yesterday-actually-no-we-don't-know-the-size-yet" style gave me major war flashbacks XDDD i worked on a few movie sets and it's 10/10 true...

@paigemyers4762 3 жыл бұрын

Having worked for a company that made Broadway costumes, I can confirm that this is absolutely accurate!

@ariaalexandria3324 3 жыл бұрын

@@paigemyers4762 Even some professional community theaters. Director decided he wanted a whole new gown for Eponine to wear at the end of Les Mis (since she and Fantine welcome Valjean to the afterlife) hours before the opening show. And as I was a sticker on accuracy... That crew got to learn to deal with buttons during quick changes, and ties for other things. Did some stuff for theaters higher up than that, and...yeah. But damn, I loved it.

@roxiepoe9586 3 жыл бұрын

I see over 7000 costume pieces and I see people in the industry working. Making pictures into reality is so cool.

@Littlebeth5657 3 жыл бұрын

THIS IS WHAT I NEEDED! thank you so so much Abby for addressing this! The timelines for this must have been crazy for the costumers and it is a TV series and not a film so more screen time and bigger cast! I thought it was amazing and I totally got swept up in the gorgeous fantasy.

@AbbyCox 3 жыл бұрын

the CIC (the people behind the Hamilton spencer) put out an IG post that apparently there were costume shops *all over the world* who built for bridgerton, which is *insane* 🤯

@Littlebeth5657 3 жыл бұрын

@@AbbyCox that's crazy!!! Wow mode blown!

@courtneywalsh9780 3 жыл бұрын

@@AbbyCox so we must Stan Bridgerton for keeping them working!!!

@laartje24 3 жыл бұрын

@@AbbyCox Well at least they got work now...

@kitdubhran2968 3 жыл бұрын

This was sort of my problem with discussing hystorical accuracy of something like Enola Holmes. Like sure, it’s a mish-mash of years, and sure they mentioned a specific year... but it’s a movie based off of a book that is an alternate universe of a fictional book. Like. It is literally adaptation of fiction of fiction. Why in the donkey love would it be historically accurate? Historically inspired? Sure. Has its problems? Yes. However I never once assumed it would be “accurate” and kind of didn’t get why everyone else was so down on it. EDIT: I am adding HolmesPunk is now a thing to me. Enola Holmes is HolmesPunk. I’m keeping that.

@BarbiesRevenge579 3 жыл бұрын

personally, i usually couldn't care less if costumes are "accurate" in fantasy settings, but the corset nonsense in both bridgerton and enola holmes is infuriating!!!

@kitdubhran2968 3 жыл бұрын

@@BarbiesRevenge579 true. At least in Enola she didn’t suffer horrible tight lacing, she CHOSE to put it on, and it came in quite handy later. Silver lining.

@sarasamaletdin4574 3 жыл бұрын

@Kit DuBran her complaining was the issue. And it was never made clear it wasn’t set in real history until the issues were piling up.

@kitdubhran2968 3 жыл бұрын

@@sarasamaletdin4574 I didn’t really see it as complaining. More of a “this is a bad thing if it’s forced on someone, but I’m using it because I want to”. So that’s just my perspective. And I can’t see it as being set in real history, because it’s basically a movie adaptation of an AU of a fictional book. That’s an alternate history no matter how you look at it. That always suspends my disbelief far enough that unless something is so awful that it throws me totally, I can ignore most things. But then, most people have different things that bother them that strongly. Like half the time I’m watching media supposedly set in that era I just think everything looks too clean.

@camille_la_chenille 2 жыл бұрын

What I hated with Enola Holmes movie's costumes is that, despite the fact it is an alternative universe of a fictional book, the original book series is really historically accurate and every slighest change in fashion is acknowledged. So, as I just loved these books as a child, the movie ruined the esthetic of the book I had in mind. But the costumes totally works as costumes in a fun, period inspired, adventure movie and some of them are really beautiful.

@sarahrosen4985 3 жыл бұрын

Bangerton! Even as a teen I don’t think I snort laughed that hard and loud as I did now! My year is complete and it’s only January.

@lucie4185 3 жыл бұрын

Happy endings for everyone! :giggle:

@andreagortze1899 3 жыл бұрын

Such a refreshing take, tbh. I don't get the schadenfreude so much of the internet gets from criticizing the accuracy of costumes that are clearly from a fantasy land. Love that you are so knowledgeable, but not preachy or judgemental. It makes your videos way more fun to watch.

@Kasia_Luna 3 жыл бұрын

The show was such a visual treat to behold! All of the colours, beautiful fabrics, lighting and overall cinematography was delightful. It was exactly as you described, a fantasy. So I had no issues with its costumes.

@jennylafleur 3 жыл бұрын

Thanks for saying all the things I've been thinking watching the community freak out over these outfits! Are the costume in Bridgerton accurate? No, they weren't meant to be. Is it something to wring our historic dress hands over and be super judgey about? No. This series and it's costumes are a bit of imagination and fun, it's okay to just enjoy them for what they are. (Are we over the "corsets are the worst" troupe though, hell yes! )

@AbbyCox 3 жыл бұрын

Yes, and can we talk about how amazing Queen Charlottes wigs were? Because - Oh. My. GAWD. they were incredible! 😍

@Hair8Metal8Karen 3 жыл бұрын

I will agree with Karolina that the empire waistline cutting the busts in half drives me mental.

@LizziMummy 3 жыл бұрын

@@Hair8Metal8Karen in the case of Penelope I would argue they did that deliberately. Her character has a kind of Butterfly transformation arc, so I think they were trying to make the costumes as unflattering as possible to then make the transformation in later seasons. Hard to do when Nicola Coughlan is so gorgeous!

@TheMetatronGirl 3 жыл бұрын

Yaaaaaaass!!! THIS. Incredibly well said. I’ve never understood the need to hold historical fantasy to accuracy...or even FANTASY to historical accuracy (ahem...*Witcher’). The costuming in Bangerton (buah ha ha ha!) is really gorgeous in and of itself...but, WEAR A DAMN CHEMISE! That, and tight lacing regency stays?? Fantastic video! I hope you had a lovely New Year celebration. Much love!

@AbbyCox 3 жыл бұрын

Yeah, the only thing I was like "ugh, no chemise" mostly because I felt bad for the actresses and anyone who was on laundry duty. Oof. 😂

@TheMetatronGirl 3 жыл бұрын

Exactly! That had to have been so uncomfortable.

@katherinemorelle7115 3 жыл бұрын

The chemise and stays things were the only issues I had, and that was mostly because it scientifically and logically does not make sense- not even within the fantasy world they’d created. Everything else costume wise, I’m fine with. Though I’m also not fine with one particular aspect of the plot... I hated it in the book, and if it weren’t for the fact that I read the first few books out of order, I’d not have continued reading them. I was very unhappy with that plot line. I still am, and the fact that I have barely seen anyone talking about it, well, it’s frustrating, to say the least. I thought we as a society were better than that. That we recognised these things as problems. Guess not.

@twobluestripes 3 жыл бұрын

@@katherinemorelle7115 if you’re referring to the plotline that this article covers, it’s the reason I probably won’t be watching this series: www.pajiba.com/film_reviews/the-questions-of-male-consent-that-puncture-both-fantasy-worlds-of-bridgerton-and-wonder-woman-1984-.php

@katherinemorelle7115 3 жыл бұрын

@@twobluestripes yep. As far as I can remember, it would only be on this season. And I had read some of the other books in the series first, which was why I co tinier reading the rest of them. I’m just really disappointed that there’s so little discussion of this. It’s a post MeToo world, but no one seems to care about this and it’s just very disappointing. I’m not saying people shouldn’t discuss other things to do with the series- the costumes, the race baiting, whatever. But the lack of discussion about this is very troubling, I think. And I know that is the ropes been reversed, this show wouldn’t even have been made. The double standards are very obvious.

@samiyarossini 3 жыл бұрын

Your doggo is a blessing and he deserves all the treats.

@gittevandevelde2208 3 жыл бұрын

the video just started just wanted to say I love that sweater on you

@kittyp121 3 жыл бұрын

Me, too. I have a similar one in glittery black.

@TheStrangeloves 3 жыл бұрын

10:12 yeah, I'd definitely look away if I see a less accurate shoe BUT pulling the "Killer corset trope" was Not Nice At All.

@AbbyCox 3 жыл бұрын

I just feel bad for Mr. Pearl at this point. Like, one of the most famous corset-makers in the world, and then they act like they're uncomfortable and painful. Talk about a bad advertisement for his work. One minute they're like "OMG Mr. Pearl made our corsets" and the next "halp corsets ouchy" ...like... I'd be really salty.

@TheStrangeloves 3 жыл бұрын

@@AbbyCox I agree, this is just straight-out disrespectful towards his work. I am hundred percent sure that this decision had nothing to do with the costume department.

@lyndabethcave3835 3 жыл бұрын

@@AbbyCox I’ve watched probably way too many interviews with the cast, and there’s not nearly as much corset-dissing as one would expect. Phoebe (Daphne) actually wanted to steal one of them, so she must have liked it. And when Claudia (Eloise) and Nicola (Penelope) were asked to “stan or ban” wardrobe articles, they chose to ban too-tight shoes and stockings that kept falling down with nary a mention of their stays.

@monmothma3358 3 жыл бұрын

I was surprised at tightlacing in a semi-Regency piece, of all things. I mean, they mostly stay true to the waistline-right-below-the-boobs thing. Why then were they trying to accentuate the waist? lol

@grooveonthehillside 3 жыл бұрын

So many of the tired corset tropes in this show when they don’t apply... I’ll never understand the “fantasy” element of being uncomfortable for historical fashion lmao

@flapdoodlecacklberry 3 жыл бұрын

Yes, this was painful to watch!

@piperevelyn2446 3 жыл бұрын

I tried to watch War and Peace (2007) but it too opened with a scene where they tight lace a 13 years old girl (at least in the book she was 13 at the beginning) and then dress her in a regency dress. Since the show was less cool than Bridgerton I noped after 10 minutes of the 1st episode.

@Anna-rk2wi 3 жыл бұрын

I thought it was a commentary on how ridiculous and superficial the character of Lady Featherington is, and making a point of introducing her while she was tight-lacing her daughter even though the natural waist isn’t visible in the empire waist dresses

@lucie4185 3 жыл бұрын

Also the desirable body type at the time was plumper and shorter, maybe we should have seen Lady Bridgestone trying to fatten her girls up!

@Kayjayoh 3 жыл бұрын

For real, the tight-lacing and lack of chemises were my only issues with the costuming.

@lexycanon9703 3 жыл бұрын

look, i dont actually work in costume shops but ive been in plenty of meetings with them, and BOY that impression of a normal day at the office had me in stitches! ...(not those stitches. i was laughing. abby funny i laugh heh heh)

@AbbyCox 3 жыл бұрын

Every time I got off the phone with someone working on a production, I wanted to send them a fruit basket and a starbucks gift card. 😂

@katherinemorelle7115 3 жыл бұрын

It also reminds me of Karolina’s Time Travel Agency seamstress skit. That was perfect.

@sArnoldsdotter 3 жыл бұрын

As long as a world is consistent and believable within it's own universe I'm perfectly fine with giving it a fantasy makeover. That said, as an aspiring novelist, should my own historical fantasy be given such a makeover when I have worked *so* hard to make it accurate to the time period in all details but that one fantasy thing, I'd be depressed for a decade or two. Luckily, that's unlikely ever to be an issue 🤣

@Kayjayoh 3 жыл бұрын

I also recall the brief glimpse of a pair of Chuck Taylors in a pile of shoes in Marie Antionette that completely tickled me.

@sarahp6512 3 жыл бұрын

As Bernadette Banner would say, it was a Design Choice(tm), and should be treated as such by costume reviewers.

@irenenolan381 3 жыл бұрын

OMG I snorted at “happy endings.” Even woke my cat from her nap.

@sianthesheep 3 жыл бұрын

waking your cat when they are napping - the worst sin possible!

@elizabethlucento3833 3 жыл бұрын

I was eating dinner watching this video and right as she said that I nearly choked on my food. Hastily swallowed and told my husband why I choked, he replied: so... You choked because you wanted something else in your mouth.... Had to pause the video for a good five minutes while I stopped laughing.

@fa1ruz 3 жыл бұрын

I can't explain how happy that these youtubers are friends... Being all alone in my room

@doricavala3503 3 жыл бұрын

And can I just say one teeny tiny thing about the WIGS??? Historical--o hell no. Fantasmagoric hair art? O HELL YES!

@Bethikathebunny 3 жыл бұрын

Honestly the tight-lacing scene in the first 5 mins set the stage of “damn I guess this isn’t going to be accurate...how annoyed am I going to be?” Overall I liked it except for the lack of shifts, and the fit of the dresses on poor Penelope. Why doesn’t anything fit??? Loved the velvet on Simon though. That tickled me

@jessicabaros9803 3 жыл бұрын

SAmE! There is no reason, real or fantasy, that a custom made dress would fit as poorly as Penelopes dresses did. And Lady featheringtons dresses were confusing. I got a weird feeling they were making a half-hearted commentary on how plus-sized people get the short end of the stick in fashion. Still, it was never brought up explicitly (even POC issues had some discussion in the script, even if it wasn't enough) and again custom dresses.

@Grams0ren 3 жыл бұрын

If you read the books the "bad choices" in dresses of Penelope is a trope of lady whistledown papers.

@lyndabethcave3835 3 жыл бұрын

I’ve heard people say that Penelope’s dresses are intentionally unflattering because her mother is trying to sabotage her, but I haven’t read the books so can’t confirm this.

@lothcatskilledthesith6903 3 жыл бұрын

@@lyndabethcave3835 that was my take, that the ill fit was intentional on her mother part.

@tessalee6253 3 жыл бұрын

None of Penelope's sisters, nor her mother, seem to really care about her. An awkward inconvenience to mar the Feathertone's ideals. Penelope does hint at it with the "and I get yellow" comment.

@MaddieLynn 3 жыл бұрын

Really enjoyed and appreciated this video! I think the fact that Bridgerton is Historical fantasy is what really makes the show and really gave the costume designers the ability to use costumes as a way to highlight each characters personality!

@kat_fay 3 жыл бұрын

YES! Thank you Abby! I have many friends that hate the show cause the costume inaccuracies. But I keep saying that it is not meant to be. The costumes are insane yes, but they play off the theme of the show and the personalities of the characters. Love the show, love the costumes and obvi love you for getting it!

@oceanfaery81 3 жыл бұрын

That’s been my take as well - the costumes are able to tell us so much about the characters! I think my favourites are anything worn by Lady Danbury, Penelope’s dress when her father is her escort, and Eloise’s pale pink cravat & short jacket ensemble 😀

@windycitydreaming 3 жыл бұрын

I appreciate that the sheer amount of work involved was discussed. A lot of these sorts of videos are just 'omg, this is awful. how dare they take any liberties or shortcuts. I don't care that they have to dress an ensemble cast of 15 plus a few dozen extras, I am disgusted and appalled' which always feels a little unfair to all the people who put in a ridiculous amount of work to bring these movies and shows to life. I enjoy learning about how things were done/worn/etc. too, or else I wouldn't be here, but behind each movie and mediocre costume (according to Historically Accurate (tm) standards) are a team of people who just straight up don't deserve the ire heaped upon them in the comments by folks who, by-and-large, are historical hobbyists who *might* sew a few things in their spare time. This felt fair AND honest which was refreshing.

@alexia3552 3 жыл бұрын

Really really really good point. For me, if the quality of construction is noticeably bad and pulls you out of the immersion, then it's really a matter of the budget/organization/timeline being inadequate. "Why did they make it like that, that looks like crap" as a sentiment is assuming that the people who work on costumes don't care, which seems like the opposite of the attitude one would have to have to work in costuming.

@marliesethomas 3 жыл бұрын

I would suggest that even prior to "Marie Antoinette", we had Baz Luhrmann's "Romeo + Juliet" (1996) as a shining example of taking a historically based story and setting it in a fantasy land.

@hsama 3 жыл бұрын

I am SOOOOOO GLAD you did this video because yesterday I said similar things in Portuguese and got backlash now that you said it I can link it as source as well

@caitlinconnelly5347 3 жыл бұрын

I just want one video, just one, of someone in the historical costumer community reading the book series. Or at least the first book. Because as someone who loves romance novels I would really love to see someone with a history background/interest reading the book and watching the series.

@AbbyCox 3 жыл бұрын

I'm currently listening to it on audio book! I love a good historical romance novel for escapism, though I'm not looking forward to *that scene*.

@caitlinconnelly5347 3 жыл бұрын

@@AbbyCox Really! Oh good. I hope you enjoy it. I always liked Anthony's story better but that's next season for the show. Anyways thanks for letting me know. And I would love a deep dive into the differences and history in the show vs. Book. Like, if I remember correctly the only time Daphne says something negative about corset wasn't about tight lacing (done with that inaccurate trope). Hope you're having a good day.

@Hannah-rx8fk 3 жыл бұрын

I fully expected to hate the costumes in Bridgerton, but once I got past the silly corset tropes I really enjoyed how different it was. One thing I was disappointed about was the lack of English Regency court gowns though, because by choosing not to go historically accurate there they really missed a golden opportunity to make some absolutely batshit crazy costumes.

@pollylolly6473 3 жыл бұрын

I am totally here for the sweater and doggo snugs.. ♥

@sandraab8174 3 жыл бұрын

Yes! Please! Love the intro and just the whole vibe of this WHOLE VIDEO

@helenstewart5659 3 жыл бұрын

I think the number they gave was their internal wardrobe and costume department. A lot of the costumes were sewn by costume houses, mostly in the UK, like Angles, but there was one in the US who mostly made baground characters frocks. I saw some pieces being made two years ago, so they actually had more lead time that you think, as least a year before filming.

@TheFaeryRing 3 жыл бұрын

LOVE this video! You're so correct about admiring a show/movie for what it is and not always looking for the accuracy. Since happening upon your channel I find myself studying the costumes, jewelry and make up so much more. Thank you so much for the glorious enlightening education.

@sallyjonesie3886 3 жыл бұрын

I honestly get so excited whenever someone mentions the V&A dress recreated for Emma; I fell in love with it when I last visited the museum and had no idea how well-known it was (or would become!). It's just perfect!

@ArtemisScribe 3 жыл бұрын

honestly I was even okay with the sleeping in corsets in Bridgeton because every time I saw a character who clearly had stays on under her nightgown I had Terry Pratchett's voice pop into my head cracking jokes about underwired-nightgowns.

@lisad8731 3 жыл бұрын

Just finished watching this today. Loved the gorgeous dresses and gentleman's outfits.

@BellaMaesDesigns 3 жыл бұрын

I LOVE this so much!!! Such a good point here! Thanks for sharing Abby! ❤️❤️❤️

@quicksilvertears921 3 жыл бұрын

My sister and I found you separately and were so excited that we both watch your channel. It always gives us something fun to talk about. Now I need to go watch episode 4 of Bridgerton.

@abigailwacholz394 3 жыл бұрын

OMG Abby!! How are you reading my mind? I've been thinking the exact same things ever since this show came out, possibly even before then because costume reviews are booming everywhere on youtube. You've articulated the one thing I feel a lot of reviews miss, which is that the tone of media in question matters. Thank you

@jennieeveleighlamond 3 жыл бұрын

Griffy is sooo sweet! I always look forward to your videos, thank you!

@owlislike 3 жыл бұрын

*flash back to the time when I was a contract costumer for a theater company and they told me "No they do not have a schedule for their costumes they just have to be done as quickly as possible. PS. We don't have measurements on anyone, two people are playing each main character but we only have a budget for one costume to share for each pair, and everything has to have a zipper"* The crying on the floor among boxes of materials and notions is REAL

@lenabreijer1311 3 жыл бұрын

I had two Hansels, one size 16 and the other size 9. They both had to wear the same costume and be able to sing. Oh and the fairy couldn't wear makeup because of the bad acne but had an amazing voice.

@MendyLady 3 жыл бұрын

I really enjoyed them, especially since I'd read enough articles ahead of time to be reminded to turn off my dress historian brain, and just take them for themselves. Except for the lack of shifts. And Eloise's hair threw me out of the whole world every time.

@AbbyCox 3 жыл бұрын

Same, I didn't go into the series expecting anything other than some over the top "regency" romance novel stuff, and that's what I got 😂. I didn't mind the hair...mostly because it was so wild anyways that it was like "ah yes ok, cool just further character development" 😂😂

@lexycanon9703 3 жыл бұрын

There are plenty of theatres that do not sew 200+ costumes for plays. Many companies (regional theatres included) create their costumes from a variety of effforts. They pull from stock, they rent from other theatres, and even purchase used/vintage/custom made - all in addition to custom sewing in house. Also... just because something gives you anxiety, doesn't mean it's not normal. And, just because it's normal for you to work on a shoestring budget, doesn't mean one can't be anxious at the idea of taking on such a massive project. If you have outfitted 200 people in a play in custom garments, you shouldn't sell yourself short! That's a huge amount of work!

@onlyasamuse 3 жыл бұрын

@Charisma Girl It's FANTASY. I thought it was great and your comment reeks of racism.

@mamadeb1963 3 жыл бұрын

@@onlyasamuse There is evidence that Queen Charlotte had African blood, so that part is fine. As for the rest - I personally only wish it had had more diverse and colorblind casting. I'm a total stickler for historical accuracy, but this is an alternate history anyway. Also, Regency England (and where was Prinny?) was more racially diverse than I'm sure Charisma Girl realizes. I will not forgive the lack of chemises, though. That's a practical thing.

@denisebarros410 3 жыл бұрын

I actually minded more the race-baiting and other racist aspects of the show (Noelle did an amazing vídeo talking about it, and of course you already know about it 😂). About the costumes, there are some things that truly annoyed me, but I guess that when you're making so many (can I say too many without sounding like a bitch? Probably not) costumes, some things are lost and it's ok... It's just a netflix show at the end of the day...

@Gwynevation 3 жыл бұрын

1st of all, lovely video. 2nd of all, I love the jaunty music that you play when you do your blooper reel at the end of the video.

@autumn7143 3 жыл бұрын

I love this. Thank you Abby, I loved the fantasy and then learning more.

@amandab6034 3 жыл бұрын

That last point is everything. Thank you!

@AmiableAimee 3 жыл бұрын

I didn't think I could love Abby any more than I already do, but then she includes scenes from Community and my heart just grew 10 sizes ❤️❤️❤️.

@lyndabethcave3835 3 жыл бұрын

BLESS YOU, Abby! Thank you for making this video, it says SO much of what I’ve been thinking over the last week or so. As a costumer for stage and screen, my primary concern is telling the story and showing character. Sometimes that means being as HA as possible, but many times it doesn’t (and sometimes it’s even more effective to throw HA out the window). It’s not fair to judge something that’s not supposed to be historically accurate on historical accuracy.

@strawberryncreamful 3 жыл бұрын

I’m so glad you have done this video.

@RetroClaude 3 жыл бұрын

As a professional costume maker OMG I literally started sweating when you talked about the timeline for these costumes. And the story about the over night courier for the fitting? I'm stressed just thinking about it 😂

@christineherrmann205 3 жыл бұрын

I've always been of the opinion that costume accuracy is great but only throws open the doors to serious criticism when the costume designer opens their mouth and says "These costumes are based in history." Then, all bets are off.

@jacksonnoskcaj4019 3 жыл бұрын

I haven’t been able to do any costuming sense COVID-19 started and somehow this video made me cry because it reminded me of how much I love it.

@marcytrost2498 3 жыл бұрын

I have to say, of all the YTubers I watch who have a Hello Fresh paid promotion, I liked your incorporation the best. It truly showed the box items in real life use ... Thank you!

@FrugalOverFifty 3 жыл бұрын

Awesome. Also - I hadn't realized how conditioned I was to your weekly videos, I kept coming back here all last week and I had to remind myself - no video the first Sunday of the month! LOL Definitely worth the wait.

@tanjab3323 3 жыл бұрын

You deserve more followers! Really great content- thank you :)

@tammiewilson5185 2 жыл бұрын

Your channel is delightful!

@karenelisabeth4671 3 жыл бұрын

I want your knitsweater! Beautiful piece... And I really liked your "historical fantasy" definition - very on point

@nikkimurphy6357 3 жыл бұрын

As someone who started watching KZfaq in the beauty community and am now here I like that you guys get together to decide who reviews what cause over there everyone reviews everything. 👏

@Jassiepoohbear 3 жыл бұрын

Loved this review!👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼

@roxanneknafel8138 3 жыл бұрын

I love Abby's cheeky, funny little side bars. For someone who only follows only two KZfaq channels, is not a costume designer, nor works in the theater business, I LOVE Abby Cox's channel, I love how articulate she is and yes of course I'm a history buff so I love all the tidbits of accurate info. Thanks Abby for all the hard work your team does to entertain us.

@cap4life1 3 жыл бұрын

THANK YOU, Abby. The voice of sense, reason and perspective costuming community needs.

@Noodle21A 3 жыл бұрын

There has been so much talk around historical accuracy, it's refreshing to see this angle be considered. I can completely get behind the fantasy elements, but there were some non history related choices that I found a bit odd. Like because Daphne's light blue colour scheme was stuck to soooo rigidly for most of the episodes, and her dresses were so often basically the same cut, I genuinely thought she kept wearing the same dress until I saw some side by side screen shots. Likewise with a few of the other characters. It made me feel sorry for all the effort the costume makers went to, because why bother going to the effort of making so many dresses if so many of them are so similar. Maybe cut out a couple and use the extra time to draft a different jacket pattern for Simon! (sorry for the essay - but I've needed to vent that for a while)

@elaniarkady7351 3 жыл бұрын

Can i just thank you for the cute doggo at the end of your videos? 😍

@FlybyStardancer 3 жыл бұрын

Hahahaha the sponsor interlude really looked like an infomercial! XD awesome job! Also: “loads of happy endings” lol!!!!! And your top is wonderful!!

@AbbyCox 3 жыл бұрын

My dad joke humor was on fire when I wrote the script for this video, I was cracking myself up the whole time 😂 and thank you! It was a gift from Nicole for Christmas! 😍

@melreguera4354 3 жыл бұрын

I love you and this video is just a jewel!!! Thank you ^^ PS. BTW, I do also love your sweater =P

@rebekahallen6188 3 жыл бұрын

Loved the “Happy Endings” joke. 😆

@Laree2 3 жыл бұрын

I was waiting for your review 🤗

@SarahBent 3 жыл бұрын

Love a good Abby rant. Thanks!

@syddlinden8966 3 жыл бұрын

me: appreciating the hell outta all the on-point memes in this video. also, thank you for addressing logistics of scheduling and ordering materials and shipping. All very well said!

@My_mid-victorian_crisis 3 жыл бұрын

THANK YOU ms. Cox!!!! This makes me feel so much better about my personal foray into "historical" costuming and movies. One 1850's ball gown in a month (literal fantasy where the main characters are imagining themselves as President and Mrs. Linclon) and... 12 1680's outfits in a month/3 days (scientists telling campfire stories)... Okay the 1680's outfits were 3 men's coats, waistcoats, and shirts, and 3 woman's gowns, chemise, and petticoats both pristine and "tracked through the wilderness for 20 years". And the habit of a Franciscan friar. The friar's costume and the underpinnings for the men and women were trashed by my roommate, for ... reasons and I had to remake them, on set... 4-day shooting schedule.

@lizzyrbits1283 3 жыл бұрын

Griffie: hold me mother Abby: ok baby Us: 🥰

@AbbyCox 3 жыл бұрын

I'm so scared one day he's going to try and actually sit in my lap like his sister does. Everytime she gets in my lap he gets *jealous* and I can see his little brain trying to figure out if he can do it too, and I'm silently going "nonononononononono" 😂

@lizzyrbits1283 3 жыл бұрын

@@AbbyCox hahaha he 1000% is! Hopefully it's while you're filming for our sake! Cause he seems moderately polite and will prolly feel really bad when you get squished! :)

@persiswynter6357 3 жыл бұрын

@@AbbyCox Let's hope he holds off on trying until you're on the sofa! Then he can just put his head, and maybe a paw, on your lap.

@Lighthouse1852 3 жыл бұрын

He's very sensitive. When Abby gets wound up, he has to come check that she's OK.

@mww22410 3 жыл бұрын

My family has those same dishes! And a food service sounds delightful.

@tracyroweauthor 3 жыл бұрын

I love, love LOVE this show and that you commented on the costumes' historical accuracy. In fact, despite being a new fan of yours, one of the first things I wondered as I binge-watched this the first (of many, many times) is what you thought of the costumes because it is instantly apparent that they aren't historically accurate. Which, considering that it's produced by Shonda Rhimes, has a "Hamiltoned" diverse cast (yes, I made up that word) and modern music disguised as period music, left me expecting that they were unlikely to be accurate. My best friend texted me while watching the first episode and was like, am I supposed to be confused by this? (I told her to just go with it). They did, for the most part, get the mood and the etiquette of the time right. So there's that. I also love that you call it Bangerton. I describe it as "lady porn" (I may have made that up too). I am writing a Victorian romance novel series, and getting historical details right can drive you out of your mind. I've worked in the art department in theater for the last 25 years (so yes, I'm old) and the one thing I've learned is that you can't fake anything. There is always SOMEONE who will notice. So it makes me feel better that someone who is so picky (and I mean that in the nicest way) about those details recognizes that there is a fantasy aspect to the writing that means we can't always be completely accurate. So when my books get made into a Netflix series (and, by God, THEY WILL) I hope that I not only have the production quality of Bridgerton, but that you will review the costumes.

@partinlori 3 жыл бұрын

I had that sweater (in teal) in the late 70’s...looks great on you!

@misscarolinasousa 3 жыл бұрын

This is such an important thing to keep in mind, or else it potentially becomes a scenario of "the more I learn about fashion history, the less I enjoy period inspired media". There are some designing choices that bother me (e.g. Penelope's ill-fitting dresses, Daphne's hairstyles make her look like a child), but what I really want to know is: if so many pieces had so little screentime, did they need to exist? To me, Daphne's looks had a general "Wendy Darling's nightgown vibe" (whereas other characters had such distinctive looks within their styles that I remember them wearing different clothes), and I can't help but wonder: was all the stress and effort to make these many costumes necessary in the first place? As someone in an overworked and underpaid profession, it really doesn't sit right with me

@NataliaNNS 3 жыл бұрын

Your puppies are just so cute 😍 and this was also a really interesting take on the show

@totallybecka101 3 жыл бұрын

Love this vid!!

@MsPiinkFllamingo 3 жыл бұрын

I LOVE your videos!

@mqtie 3 жыл бұрын

thank you for being intelligent, witty, and knowledgeable

@amiejo 3 жыл бұрын

Heh heh Bangerton. Abby giving up the content we didn’t know we needed, per usual!

@Fubs_the_queen 3 жыл бұрын

I loved this series so much. The colors were just mouthwatering. It reminded me of Marie Antoinette 2007 with all of the stunning bold colors and sympathetic nod to the historical period