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@AnActualDinosaur2 ай бұрын
Congrats on the second child, Ziz!
@Zeuskabob12 ай бұрын
FARMIN' 😂
@bobabonanza94885 күн бұрын
you can plug a keyboard and mouse into the ps5 and game with it
@borristhebrave74962 ай бұрын
The people who do want to play on console will actually have an economy that exists and isn't wildly more expensive than in the PC economy. Coming from someone who started on console and moved to PC, the game will grow much easier if they can actually play with a real trade market.
@darkknightx09922 ай бұрын
The real make or break for console is 3rd party apps. If they haven't removed the need for 3rd party apps, it still won't be popular on console.
@borristhebrave74962 ай бұрын
@@darkknightx0992 I mostly agree with this, though I think plenty of people own a laptop in 2024. I used my laptop to do path of building back in the day when I played on Xbox. The biggest hurdle will be having to go to your computer if you want to use trade (can’t remember exactly how trade worked on console but if there is crossplay I really think an auction house style trade system would be the most optimal option for them, and if console gets auction house style trade, there’s no reason PC shouldn’t have that too. A massive QOL base POE is missing, even if auction house has its flaws) edit to add: awakened poe trade changed my efficiency in trading but console will always have disadvantages compared to PC because it isn’t a computer. But once you play enough of the game, you should know what is valuable vs what is not, and why. Gotta play the game to learn, that’s always been important in POE and likely won’t change too much
@BillyBob-17762 ай бұрын
Yes and yes!!!
@c-tothefourth48792 ай бұрын
"isn't wildly more expensive than in the PC economy. " It's the same economy.
@BillyBob-17762 ай бұрын
@@c-tothefourth4879 ......
@Sandwhip2 ай бұрын
3:25 It was $100 (and a drink), and you got real damn close!, so so doubt you could beat it now! Tried to find you later to get you a drink regardless, sad I wasn't able to.
@Zizaran2 ай бұрын
Super hard and fun fight! :D Can't wait to do it!
@Kaemonarch2 ай бұрын
11:00 Complexity and Depth do NOT go hand-by-hand, not necessarily. A clear example, when they did Pathfinder 2 (the Tabletop RPG, not the PoE Character) they switched from the (very complex) old system of having a Standard Action, and a Movement Action, and a Free Action, and a Step if you didn't use any Movement during your actions, and a Full-Round Action instead of using your actions, and so on... to just giving you 3 Action Points. Now, "Charging" at an enemy wasn't a separate rule that costed a Full-Round Action; but instead you could just simply Move+Move+Attack; or instead of having a Full-Round Action attack, you could just decide to Attack twice or thrice by spending 2 or 3 actions; and instead of having a Step (a small 1-square movement that doesn't generate Attacks of Opportunity from enemies) that can be used only if you didn't use any other kind of movement in that round; it's now just also 1 action, and you can choose to step 3 times in a round if you want.... ...all of a sudden the came had more depth, more choices and options... while being simpler and less complex. Good design allows to reduce complexity while increasing depth and options.
@gabrielsnider57622 ай бұрын
I have 2 kids now .. farming haha
@genocidegrand20572 ай бұрын
only 2!?
@TreesPlease422 ай бұрын
@@genocidegrand2057 2 2 start
@SilversTaurus2 ай бұрын
Divine and corrupt them so that they get good explicits and implicits
@TypingHazard2 ай бұрын
Makes perfect sense, you just hand them your best leveling gear and send them out into the world with instructions to bring back currency
@drandana36612 ай бұрын
And now you can give them an aurabot and a controller and help you get item quant.
@MaxPatatePowa2 ай бұрын
The extra hover tool tips are huge, not having to find an external source to understand keywords and mecanics is so good!
@spookyrookie2 ай бұрын
I remember starting poe 1 and needing to check what ailments were in the first 10 minutes just felt bad
@denshoni2 ай бұрын
2 v 2 couch co-op race might be fun
@Richard-ys2ns2 ай бұрын
Co-op = level 2 characters at a time on 1 account. Great time to be alive!
@darkknightx09922 ай бұрын
Lol can't wait for one player 2 character runs. XD
@seanMJC2 ай бұрын
It's time to order two Azeron Cyros. lmao
@Richard-ys2ns2 ай бұрын
@@seanMJC I have the Cyborg. Thing is a game changer!
@sylvainh2o2 ай бұрын
@@seanMJC Is the couch coop on the online multiplayer servers or its a single player mode where your progression isnt in the online multiplayer?
@Sidnv2 ай бұрын
@@sylvainh2o Poe2 won't have any single player mode.
@TalkativeTri2 ай бұрын
This is probably the most positivity I've seen floating around PoE 2 since the announcement of the crossbow and spear back in 2021. It's amazing to see lots of people excited for the game on consoles and GGG appear to have outdone themselves with the implementation. Cannot wait to question them in LA about some deeper features on both PC and console and how compatible they'll be!
@ShinPG2 ай бұрын
Honestly couch coop is massive news for me. My favorite time is playing couch games with my family back in the PS2 days when there were a ton of
@IlMerluz2 ай бұрын
So youre gonna play poe2 couch co op with your family?
@kiyoma22372 ай бұрын
complexity ≠ depth. chess is not a complex game. you can teach it to a child in like 10mins. but it is indeed very deep and takes years to master. you don't need high complexity in a game for it to be compelling for thousands of hours.
@DoctorStrange012 ай бұрын
Exactly this. I'd love to hear his reasoning about that, cause for me it is obvious that these two things are different. PoE is like the definition of overcomplex. Depth is about choice and variety, not how hard it is to understand a simple mechanic because the game can't even explain it to you, itemization and the tooltip thing is probably the best example.
@CJ000142 ай бұрын
What is the bad part of crossplay. It leaves your game exactly as it is and gives us the chance to play with more people if we want to. Literally no downside
@PetrCobra2 ай бұрын
I hope they listen to you and allow mouse and keyboard controls for console, honestly. The best solution even if it doesn't completely solve the "dumbing down" since they have to keep controllers in mind. On the other hand, that would probably still be the case if there was no cross play given the support of controllers on PC, so...
@Stickychron2 ай бұрын
They will 100% allow mouse and keyboard on console. 😂 Why wouldn't they?
@Micromation2 ай бұрын
Damn. This sounds and looks like a game that will take another 12 years of my life. We might never see Star Citizen to deliver on it's promises but we sure as hell got one of a kind aRPG juggernaut. PoE1 was great but PoE2 so far looks like a game I'd make specifically for myself. Holy shit, I've tried to stay away to not get my hopes up but god damn... I think I'm gonna cry, this is the most beautiful thing I've ever seen T_T
@pikachu20032 ай бұрын
hopefully it will be a unified trade market.
@elmajico1282 ай бұрын
No way it wont, crossplay is not possibile without crosstrading
@pikachu20032 ай бұрын
@@elmajico128 I agree and hope so, but just want GGG to confirm it. The price fixing and gouging on console is out of hand!
@drandana36612 ай бұрын
It would have to be
@DoctorStrange012 ай бұрын
Why would it not be ? Makes no sense to separate them 😅
@pikachu20032 ай бұрын
@@DoctorStrange01 you evidently haven’t suffered on POE console for the last 6 years.
@gamersforge2 ай бұрын
Any game that builds out console play ultimately destroys the game. RIP POE2! Console isnt for gamers and requires the game design to be dumbed down and the mechanics to be destroyed from full movement and control which only PC master race can achieve. Sad day RIP GGG!
@ChunkyCoffeeАй бұрын
It's crazy how far consoles have gone, seriously the idea of being able to play with your friends account while they're at your house away from their system is just so neat of an advancement. Like when I was a kid you either played online together or you played on your couch and are limited by your account's progress and features. So cool, not going to get me to buy another console but AMAZING for console players that want to play this game together.
@KingOfBlades272 ай бұрын
Overall for the game all of these things are great. But Ziz definitely is right in that them pushing controller will affect how the game will play overall. It will definitely affect for example skill design WAY more than in poe 1.
@voodoo10692 ай бұрын
Haven't used a console since n64. PC all the way
@CryptoPunk_2 ай бұрын
Based
@ramschasar76542 ай бұрын
As someone who plays on pc and has friends that only play on console this is a great thing. I really love that they bring couch koop to pc as well.
@Floar2 ай бұрын
Only place I found controller to be superior was doing the manifested wealth maps with controller JUST BECAUSE I could spam X to loot everything as I ran along. It was glorious. Hope PC gets the "loot closest item"- hotkey too. Combat feels nice on controller but inventory management requires mouse and keyboard. Wish there was a hybrid option to have controller in maps and mouse in hideout.
@shayaharonson96342 ай бұрын
Man there are some moments I’ll never forget and always get infuriated thinking about. Like all those times in delve some menu bs would pop up mid fight and cause me to panic and press all sorts of buttons just to get rid of it and end up dying, the worst part was one time in the process of trying to close the inventory I threw my prog an died. In delve. My life has never been the same since. PC player now, but I’ll visit for couch coop for sure.
@blank982 ай бұрын
I honestly have enjoyed playing arpgs with controller last couple years so this is awesome to hear that there is proper support.
@finfen97302 ай бұрын
I personally don't think the inclusion of console players is going to "dumb down" skills; in fact, I believe it will enhance gameplay, depending on how they approach skills in general. For starters, clicking on a screen and an effect happening is one of the most archaic uses of mouse and keyboard and is generally boring. It can be incredibly precise in your click, but in an ARPG, you don't need pixel-level precision like in an FPS. I find it infinitely more interesting when timing, rhythm, and duration of button presses are the primary ways to interact with an effect because it's no longer binary: "I click... I jump there. Much brain." It sounds way more interesting to me if I can hold my leap button, and releasing it completes the apex of my jump (if not completed before I let go, based on stats, abilities, and other factors), then I descend. For example, with Lightning Warp, holding down the button could transform you into a ball of electricity, allowing you to move at increased speed to bounce through enemies and appear at a distance away, fully in your control. This enforces a more unique approach to skill design that forces the devs to think outside the box. What if call lightning skills generally auto-target? This allows a different playstyle and lets developers tweak their stats based on ease of use. That means slow and more deliberate attacks can be more effective, but you have to figure out when to use them. I like the spear skill, for instance, that stabs multiple times and if you activate it again, you get an additional stab with extra effects. It creates a game of chicken. Do I want to complete this move for this effect? Because getting hit by this monster will hurt. Risk/reward. Engagement. Gameplay. We can have skills that require precise timing of button presses to maximize or apply effects, rotations of the mouse on screen or analog stick to swing heavy weapons for bonus area of effect or power, skill charging like Mega Man in MvC or Balrog in SF where you can sacrifice your finger for a button and see how long you can hold it down to bolster an effect on release (while still being able to use any other button), or just moving an area of effect on the ground to where we want something to go. But the point is, you should always be engaged. This is a real opportunity to see what the game can be, and I trust GGG.
@crazy-tommy2 ай бұрын
I hope they don't focus on console/controller too much ... one of the devs says at the end "I'm looking forward to converting everyone to use a controller" ... that makes me worry that mouse + keyboard gameplay may suffer because everything is optimzed for controllers
@lavq70002 ай бұрын
I don't worry to much about this because we already have a console version of PoE1 and I think that it have not impacted the design of the game for PC players. But I think that it is completely OK to share the concern with GGG. In my opinion, it is completely OK to have some skills that work great with a controller and some that just are better with mouse and keyboard. Same with Wasd vs Mouse. PoE just has sooo many skills that there is room for having all of these designs.
@GonzaloTilinInsano2 ай бұрын
I'd like to contribute with a shiny tabula rasa for your new born's levening gear
@eroin72 ай бұрын
Crossplay is a fucking plague on gaming. PoE 2 is going to have such limited end game juicing so that it can run on consoles
@CrazyToad-2 ай бұрын
FINALLY CONSOLE IS FIXED!
@guitarsolos892 ай бұрын
Inplementing console stuff for a pc game is gonna casuallify this game. Im enjoying poe 1 while it lasts, the Tencent effect is in full force. GG
@garrytherat47932 ай бұрын
You dropped your nose 🤡
@dadish852 ай бұрын
@Zizaran if you ever get to interview Jonathan or some other Dev please ask them if Cross play will hamper updates to the game (make them slower) due to console authentication bs..
@TheTripleJski2 ай бұрын
THIS, is the major worry imo. Sure, things with controller vs m&k matter and combining trade economies make take adjustments, but if patches are being held up by Sony or Xbox due to certification, well...then what? Presumably as a live service they had to work out a lot of concessions from both Sony and Microsoft and that's why this decision comes now as opposed to back at exilecon or any time in between. Hopefully they just have free reign to get in and change their game as much as they need to on limited or no notice.
@gabrielamorim72872 ай бұрын
Destiny 2 is updated at the same time on the 3 plataforms, pc,(steam and epic games) xbox and ps5. They have day one races, contest mode raids etc.. etc...
@TuesdaysThursdays2 ай бұрын
Congrats on the new kid. So blessed.
@richardmcclelland132 ай бұрын
After playing on pc with m&k for years , then switching to my handhelds and using the built in conteoller i can tell you i much pefer playing rhe game with a controller , and doing any crafting with m@k. Im excited to have better controller support for sure
@zebruh66602 ай бұрын
I have wanted to switch to PC PoE for a few years now, I started playing PoE on Xbox when it first released and have spent a lot of money on mtx that is currently stuck on console. So with all current mtx transferring to PoE 2 that means I can now use all of it on PC. My hope is that if they see positive feedback from this they will also add cross progression to current PoE.
@dogebestest71872 ай бұрын
Man ine thing that worries me about poe2 is the feature creep. Like couch coop, cross progression, mounts, all sick mechanics but every time they release news it's a big announcement of a huge mechanic. Hope they will be able to deliver
@deetsitmeisterjd2 ай бұрын
Wouldn't really consider couch coop or cross progress a feature creep mechanics falls more in the quality of life. Should be standard for basically any live service/co op game.
@BPACrushinDreams2 ай бұрын
As a father of multiple children myself, I have to say i really appreciate the couch coop and full cross platform play. Being able to share my favorite games with my kids has actually been a challenge unless i buy each one a full PC setup. I am really looking forward to being able to share this game with my kids and have them experience the game with me for a change.
@Aarimous2 ай бұрын
You really min maxed when the baby was due. Perfect timing in between leagues. ;) oh, and congrats on the new chaos farmer. Glad to hear everyone is doing well. Cheers!
@blindseerurza2 ай бұрын
i play PoE on pc with controller and its a decent experience. With PoE2 being twin stick its probably going to make controller even better.
@kamcio85862 ай бұрын
10:57 the simplest example would be reworking the passive tree. Now I didn't really think about it in depth and it's generally a hard task, so I don't come with a final solution here (at least i don't consider it to be), but with a general idea: currently the passive tree really isn't all that deep. It has SOME depth, of course; most of it comes down to one thing, which is pathing efficiency: how to get the most value from the limited resource investment? Almost the same effect could be achieved with the current passives cut by - i would guess - 20-30%. Mostly the "travel nodes" (like cutting 1-2 attribute/inc dmg nodes from the 3 node chain), but also some of the less useful/less popular notable nodes. Now two things to note: im not saying about just deleting all that without further consideration or actions; afterwards there should probably come compensation for the deleted nodes (and potentially other adjustments). Meaning, that these [deleted] nodes should either be combined with other not-that-popular node choices, or be indeed completely deleted, but at the same time the other nodes useful for the same archetype should be buffed to compensate the loss of potential power. I would argue that these changes - if implemented thoughtfully and correctly - would simplify the game by reducing the information overload and lowering the entry level (lots of people are scared of the passive tree the first time they see it, while veterans know exactly - or at least more or less - where they want to path and the little nodes are usually just an afterthought - unless playing an attribute stacker or sth, but then it's very simple anyway - just pick all the attribute nodes) and... increase the depth, actually - because while we delete some nodes of low popularity, we compensate elsewhere and thus increase the value of nodes/paths the player wouldn't really consider otherwise as they would provide too little benefit. Now there are more impactful paths leading to player's goal instead of one-two good and a few poor ones.
@jeremyogburn7322 ай бұрын
Gratz to baby girl! You must be so proud, wish I had a fam going like that.. I feel old and ornery. Wishing for better RNG, show me the way.
@JamesDatWork2 ай бұрын
Agreed ... most of the time games there are PC only are much superior on PC than Cross Console/PC games. It always has to be simpler (usually less stable) when it was designed with Console in mind. I hope GGG can pull it off without harming PC at all.
@thepocketwatchman2 ай бұрын
Clickable tags mechanic is literally what BG3 did and it's great. Good they implemented it in PoE 2.
@samtenkken12772 ай бұрын
Pc player here... totally hyped for couch coop. And 100% worth the cross play
@cfalkner10122 ай бұрын
The skill ceiling is definitely lower for console. And with the game being developed specifically for console AND pc means that that skill ceiling will be transferred to pc version as well.
@RhebelGaming2 ай бұрын
Couch coop is bu far the best news so far. I LOVE that
@alanleonardopiovesan2 ай бұрын
Couch coop its a new way for Events League
@daniiiiboii72Ай бұрын
6:25 what the hell that looks sick! I want that for PC PoE 2 lol
@straussy2402 ай бұрын
Agos ago people said that GGG would have to take resources away when PoE1 was developed for console and that it would potentially impact the PC side of the game. I don't think this occurred at all. Now with PoE2 GGG are going to suddenly prioritise how skills work/target on console over PC? Not sure I see that happening either, but let's see... More people playing the game the better
@ReptileNightwolf372 ай бұрын
11:25 You guys have any idea, which class is that? Necromancer? Lich? Thanks.
@gabrielamorim72872 ай бұрын
Warrior
@ReptileNightwolf372 ай бұрын
@@gabrielamorim7287 Ok, thanks, i thought some new class, we not saw yet. D
@c-tothefourth48792 ай бұрын
@@ReptileNightwolf37 How would you tell it's a new class? You know how classes work in POE/2?
@ReptileNightwolf372 ай бұрын
@@c-tothefourth4879 Well, that bones confused me. D
@krzysztofstankiewicz79362 ай бұрын
Congratulations Ziz :)
@adhabens2 ай бұрын
Thanks for being honest and for speaking the truth.
@randomhero5232 ай бұрын
Taking time off for a newborn? You casual gamer! xD GG though, congrats
@who69882 ай бұрын
They said in a interview I think on talkingtri that they aren’t making skills with console in mind he said if it’s to hard to use on console he suggested trying something else
@innomin82512 ай бұрын
The best example of the console vs pc thing to me is when the original Halo games were ported to PC. At the time, console players were saying it was actually a difficult and engaging campaign (for the time). In the port to PC they had to speed up all the action speed for all enemies, and make everything do way more damage than console just so you wouldn’t just completely trivialize everything.
@jasonlaubscher1912 ай бұрын
I would love M/K support on console personally
@HSoul102 ай бұрын
You can use mouse and keyboard on a console too. I’m just glad I can play as an Xbox player. Got into Path last season and I got my close friends to try it as well. We’re all extremely excited for this and are happy as hell that it’s releasing simultaneously with pc.
@montxogandia2 ай бұрын
Complexity and depth are not directly proportional. For example, Counter-Strike is a very simple (not complex) game with +10k hours of depth in improvement, same happens with simracing or even elden ring at a less degree.
@simeontodorov93532 ай бұрын
I wonder if early access was delayed so much this year so they can release console/PC simultaneously.
@RenkoUsami2 ай бұрын
Doubt it, since those are different teams. It's probably general polish/content/issues that delayed it. And more time to dev is almost never a bad thing.
@younggenin29572 ай бұрын
I am a PC player who plays with controller. I’m pretty new although I have played all content of the game with 40/40 challenges (learn a lot from these) I find controller more relaxing as I just lean back in the chair and play but what really happened was that I started the campaign with controller and then tried to switch to keyboard and found it frustrating to learn to use the keyboard as I’m facing the hard content at the time so I never looked back. I’ve made builds around 4 skills so far and haven’t found controller to be a big disadvantage although it definitely exist. The biggest drawback of controller in my opinion is having a lot of skills to press. It’s a lot more tedious on controller, and I had to find ways to distill my skills down to 4 button presses to have a really comfortable play
@crazy-tommy2 ай бұрын
For me it's the opposite. I'm a PC player since 30 years and play everything with mouse and keyboard. I never learned how to play with controller and everytime I try I just get frustrated and give up. Hopefully playing the game will be good with controller and mouse + keyboard.
@titanicjack67442 ай бұрын
Ok now I’m excited. Game looks amazing, couch coop on one screen is great, but cross platform was the biggest thing I wanted for access to a better economy. As someone who only started playing POE 6 mths ago console economy is brutal
@InfoRanker2 ай бұрын
POE2 has like 10 skill buttons, I was really hoping for less than that. and how are you supposed to move, aim and shoot all at the same time using different skills. I guess you have to bind your main skills to the 2 trigger buttons? Binding movement skills to front buttons? Gonna take time to get used to.
@garrytherat47932 ай бұрын
4 skills on the front buttons, 4 on the back buttons, 2 more skills on the thumb sticks. Arrows for potions, portal etc.
@xXVintersorgXx2 ай бұрын
Couch co-op looks super easy to rip. I agree with the controller take. The other thing they do with console is they keep legacy console stuff and then the game needs to continue to run on PS5 in 5-10 years when the hardware is garbage. They did this with FFXI. The game got locked into running on PS2
@AnActualDinosaur2 ай бұрын
Isn't there already skills in PoE2 that are "bad for console"? I mean, there's the comet spell and the ranger thingies that you stick on the ground (both of which you need to aim at a specific spot), for example.
@garrytherat47932 ай бұрын
They have auto aim systems in place to aid. Those type of skills are in D4 as well and they work flawlessly on controller
@RhebelGaming2 ай бұрын
Looks like my kids need to roll aurabot
@Brogdishjocke2 ай бұрын
poe have the best clontroller laay out of all titels like it
@zfox12 ай бұрын
I really hope the controller experience is up to par to the keyboard&mouse one. the fact that movement is point-to-clicke is the reason I'm not playing PoE anymore
@KingDoesRage2 ай бұрын
well with poe2 on console you can aim with the stick and have your main skills on r1/r2 so it could be less likely for a skill to be watered down for console aiming. on the bright side 1 big trade community
@tntdsc2 ай бұрын
In a correct timeline, GGG would launch PoE2 for PC and consoles but keep them apart. I'm sure Xbox and PS5 players would have a healthy economy, and skills and balance could be adjusted for controllers without sacrificing keyboard and mouse gameplay.
@deetsitmeisterjd2 ай бұрын
Wrong. Like it or not, Diablo 4 currently holds a monopoly on the console market for ARPG's (playerbase) the best way to disrupt that is create a competitor that is actually on par with the PC version, which is what Blizzard is doing. Not sure if you've seen the PoE1 console version but it's embarrassing, GGG should be ashamed to have that product available.
@tntdsc2 ай бұрын
D4 is trash. Don't care, didn't read.
@garrytherat47932 ай бұрын
Also Diablo 4 controller support is fantastic and the gameplay is really good on both. Nothing was really sacrificed to accomodate controller players (except maybe cap on 6 usable skills, which is hardly a problem and already confirmed to not be the case for poe2 anyway)
@yoakimlarsson262 ай бұрын
First I hope they actually learned that they should include stuff IN the game and not need 234 apps to play the game. Its 10+ years later now...I pretty sure they can manage that this time around. Second... Yes you can say what you want of D4 but Cross play seams to work there so why not in the PoE2? And dont say its not the same game...Yes I know, Its just that implementation "Talked about in the video" is ok and ...Does not bother at least me personally. Plus... Always a plus be able to play with all friend you have despite platform. Too bad some people dont agree since this is the future we going for. So Thanks ggg for this! Gaming rigs is not something all people can afford. SO I am all for it for sure...Even though long time PC player.
@LordCrisp2 ай бұрын
With the console argument I don't disagree, but I feel like I gotta wait and see how it ends. PoE is already on console, and I don't feel ruined from that... But I've never tried the console version, and also don't know if they have console specific balancing. I honestly think it'd be AMAZING, if they DID make skill that cater to or side or the other... Just add it to the tooltips of the skill "Controller Recommended" / "Mouse & Keyboard Recommended"... Don't the consoles technically support mouse and keyboard now anyway? So make PoE2 support mouse and keyboard on console and just give everyone the option to play however they want, without having to mess up or be limited in skill designs.
@antonvoltchok77942 ай бұрын
Still not clear about couch co op on PC, they better do it I can’t handle another Diablo scenario going on where for no reason they decided not to give pc couch co op even though they had the controller interface
@dushnozel62612 ай бұрын
If the gameplay is shifting more towards the sort of dodge/parry mechanics enshrined by the souls games I could see controller having it's advantages. Fighting games and soulslikes are games where controller players have a huge advantage over mouse + keyboard players, if poe2 ends up heading in that direction mk players might actually be worse off than controller players.
@ishi...2 ай бұрын
12:52 aiming, is basically the only thing that is easier with a mouse. The button management will probably be better on controller. So I think if you use skills, that need to be aimed, you're gonna be better off using a mouse. Unless they build in some kind of auto aim. But if you use skills that don't require aim, then the controller will naturally feel better, because you can move and use skills and flasks easier.
@Zizaran2 ай бұрын
Ya aiming is a big thing, but ya you're right
@RB-ml3fx2 ай бұрын
How will stash tabs work with cross progression?
@MorbidEel2 ай бұрын
It is no different than playing on your own PC then logging on to your account on your friend's PC. Cross progression isn't anything special, it just means that sony/microsoft are no longer being jerks about it.
@sNNNNNable2 ай бұрын
Wonder how updates and hotfixes will work if there's crossplay. .
@shayaharonson96342 ай бұрын
It’s not the first game to have crossplay
@TheTripleJski2 ай бұрын
@@shayaharonson9634 right, and games with crossplay are NOTORIOUS for having issues with the cert process and having things on consoles get hung up all the time thus delaying the patching of important things EVEN ON PC...it's a valid thought, and might be an issue, we'll see.
@sNNNNNable2 ай бұрын
@@shayaharonson9634 no shit. . but it's going to be a worse experience for PC players due to crossplay
@deetsitmeisterjd2 ай бұрын
@@TheTripleJskias cool as it to dump on Blizz and Diablo 4, the updates, patches coming out day and date, hotfixes etc. has worked pretty seamlessly.
@shayaharonson96342 ай бұрын
@@sNNNNNable you know there’s a console for Poe right now ya? IMO you’re making a big deal over nothing. Game already is affected by console it won’t be any worse due to it. Any differences will be because it’s a different game.
@ShadyHarbinger6662 ай бұрын
Zizi: straitness of mind.
@juozasmalaskevicius36342 ай бұрын
So happy with the cross progression. I share work room with my wife and when she is working I gotta go and turn on PS, and I really like playing POE on PS but.... So super super hyped.
@chrismiranda83702 ай бұрын
I played a little POE on PS5 and it's difficult to aim your ancestral totems. Like you just can't pin point where to place them. No Bueno lol.
@Grisu.2 ай бұрын
as a PC elitist his points are so funny and all cooked up in his mind. "muh skills will be designed around console" lol unreal
@Zizaran2 ай бұрын
We still get fun skills but I just feel like console is limiting compared to mouse and keyboard. Just gonna be a bit different is all!
@JuicyG_2 ай бұрын
You understand while having console, during design meetings console viability is something devs have to work around. Or you just gonna pretend it wont happen?
@MrCorvou2 ай бұрын
@@JuicyG_ isn't PoE 1 already on console? Is it just a completely different game or is it the same? If it is not a completely different game, how has it negatively impacted the PC version of PoE 1?
@Alias_Fakename2 ай бұрын
We're not even a league removed from losing Left Click action usage because consoles can't do it.
@c-tothefourth48792 ай бұрын
@@MrCorvou Because POE on console is a second class citizen, won't be the case for POE 2.
@nikoraruirie70072 ай бұрын
100% agree on your take on console.
@deetsitmeisterjd2 ай бұрын
Good job you and this idiot aren't making the game then.
@keyput4152 ай бұрын
Controller is awesome for Diablo 4
@thecheecko2 ай бұрын
too dark and everything looks mushed together. need more contrast
@millzville26632 ай бұрын
Gameplay always looks so slow. Ima miss the zoomy feel of poe 1
@desolation69262 ай бұрын
Its not like poe 1 is going anywhere
@dakai49922 ай бұрын
@@desolation6926 Well, it's also going nowhere. :D
@LaughingSkull4512 ай бұрын
You can literally see speed modifiers in the video, so ???
@duruzhkovivan75562 ай бұрын
Congrat on the birth of your baby. The video makes me hype about POE2. The prior was always distressing me.
@user-pr8sh3do9d2 ай бұрын
Now the delay makes sense. Same thing happened to valheim... trying to get some console cash.
@shadouqh83702 ай бұрын
@Zizaran would you say WASD movement while attacking is similar to V Rising's setup and feel?
@Zizaran2 ай бұрын
Yeah a bit!
@Schmidteren2 ай бұрын
I think Steel might be the dad.... she def looks a lot like him. beautiful baby! gratz dude!
@MawxDesigns2 ай бұрын
They did better than blizzard. You can coop on console but not PC which is lame. PoE2 letting you do both is a huge win! Looking forward to playing this never played Poe but it looks amazing!
@JuicyG_2 ай бұрын
Not a big fan of this, I struggle to see how having to maintain cross-play viability isnt gonna gimp the scope and design of the game. Also can only imagine how many more bugs are gonna crop up as a result. Hope I'm wrong though.
@luisperalta45612 ай бұрын
lets guess the point of the crossplay is the trade (with a new system) and not the co-op
@sengson4th2 ай бұрын
wonder what projector or TV screen size you needed for 2 setup couch op op ~! interesting
@buildersbricksNW2 ай бұрын
Couldn't an AI integrated system recommend new nodes on the skill tree for newbies based on the skills they're using?
@Adiuva12 ай бұрын
I am really looking forward to getting blasted by every single boss during the campaign. I am not an uber gamer but I am sure this will put me in my place lol.
@dustinwagner59022 ай бұрын
I think you are wrong Ziz. For point and target skills on console they set distance mods, they will still design the same skills.
@ryanwidmer53112 ай бұрын
Yep, this. Diablo 4 has targeted abilities and they play on controller just fine. You do sacrifice some precision but that's up to the player to choose that for a scheme they would still prefer.
@CryptoPunk_2 ай бұрын
I dare you to flame dash Exarch fireball phase with flame dash , protip : you cant . Uber exarch farmers on console are all face tanking balls no other way around , or their only defense is 6 portals ,HC does not exist on consoles 😂
@Zizaran2 ай бұрын
I love being wrong so that would be great, can't learn anything from being right
@CryptoPunk_2 ай бұрын
@@Zizaran you're not wrong though , I'm a console player .
@sulfuryos2 ай бұрын
Congrats on second child Ziz
@Takaoshi2 ай бұрын
Looks great. Can't wait to play the beta at the end of the year :D Man poe players and streamers really like to confuse depth and complexity. Poe has a lot of unnessesary complexity by not explaining how anything works mechanics or stat wise. So to remove complexity and keep depth, you have just as many systems but actually have tooltips in game to explain how it all works.
@jonathansayers99012 ай бұрын
The real solution for all of Zizaran's complaints is just to enable mouse & keyboard support on console, and make the console players aware that the more complex skills are easier to control if they plug in M&K
@shayaharonson96342 ай бұрын
Dude. No one wants to plug a m&k into a console, it defeats the purpose of playing on console. Lay back on the sofa or lazy boy and chill, if they wanted to play on PC they would.
@JtotheDoubleL2 ай бұрын
Zizarans complaints are dumb and elitist and its cringe how he thinks its just a quirky opinion. Its a destructive opinion. The most popular games in the world are the most popular because they are on all platforms. Ziz's mentality is the reason why PoE will never explode in popularity. Thank god GGG doesnt have these same dumb opinions.
@Adiuva12 ай бұрын
@@JtotheDoubleL I mean, he literally says it is specifically a selfish opinion because it limits the potential of PC gameplay. He is also aware that it is better for the overall health of the game.
@Zizaran2 ай бұрын
@@Adiuva1 Yep!
@JtotheDoubleL2 ай бұрын
@@Adiuva1 where is the evidence that it limits the potential of pc gameplay? I havent seen any. If Jonathan or Mark have come out and said they are dumbing down poe 2 in service of console gameplay then I might change my opinion but I know they havent said that because its not true. Ziz is just being paranoid and fear mongering to his audience. If he is aware of that then what is the need to say such a destructive opinion. Its not quirky or cute to be an elitist prick.
@darrellsongy3092 ай бұрын
Try to hate console players less then ziz
@maz84212 ай бұрын
Slow clap for photoshopping steel's face onto the babeh
@mestido2 ай бұрын
End 2024 beta will be open for everyone?
@faroboon42122 ай бұрын
My God this game looks beautiful!
@danbrewback40122 ай бұрын
I was upset with ziz constantly saying he hates the crossplay. But he cleared it up at the end. I really dont think it will be an issue. I really doybt this affects skill design
@KingOfBlades272 ай бұрын
It will affect the skill design. Like it literally has to affect.
@truedps82 ай бұрын
It absolutely affects skill design. It's not a big deal because you can still make good skills with the limitation of consoles. Every time a new skill or mechanic is being made it will be tested on console to make sure it works smoothly on there, and that will cause some things to become simpler to use.
@danbrewback40122 ай бұрын
The reasoning say it may not is because thet haven't been doing that so far. However it isn't crossplay yet. So that could change. I just know that currently there are plenty of skills that don't work well with console. So im not sure if they will start doing that or not. W/e we will see