Why does Thor crawl on the ceiling like Spider-Man?

The death of Gwen is like the death of Jack in Titanic: facts says they would've survived, but due to the plot, they had to die

"It's amazing that in theory the numbers are in poor Peter Parker's favor." See, there's this thing called The Parker Luck.

I think the movie version of Gwen's death makes more sense.

I think this gives one choice in The Amazing Spider-Man 2 some credibility. Instead of falling off of a bridge and having the chance to survive, she falls from the top of a clock tower and smacks her head on the ground. No amount of spider-silk stretchiness could have saved her in that scenario. So maybe the writers of that movie considered this when making that change!

so using the same equations you could see how many strands would be required to stop a subway train whilst it trundled towards a dead end track?

Andrew Garfield:Gwen just died 😫 Toby Maguire:Oh really hmm Tom Holland:Who’s Gwen Drax:Whys Gwen

I'd be more concerned with when the web catches her that she'd then swing into the bridge itself. Because the web is holding her by the ankle she'd almost certainly hit the bridge head first... Which would have a decidedly non-pg-13 effect on her skull.

It's 12:06 am and I'm watching thor talk about spiderman.

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"Spider silk is special... And so is Gwen Stacy." Yes.. THANK YOU!

Rest in Peace Stan

0:13 Your hair is as anti-gravity as skirts in animes

ah, that meme at the end, absolute clssic

Hey Kyle! You calculated Gwen as a single point of mass, but a falling body is far more complicated than that. You do mention it briefly further into the video, but the acceleration from rotation could actually increase the velocity of her brain case (think of a waterskier going faster than the boat when turning). This acceleration then deceleration would cause severe brain trauma. So how she's falling and where the web connects are vitally important.

"We know from our assumptions…" What? That is an oxymoron…

Well there is a detail easy to miss that you miss in the panels. There are three panels of Gwen falling first of her upside down, second of her head upwards (her hair and hand are both visible facing up), and finally the one with the web on her leg of her facing down again. This might mean that she was spinning while in the air.Wouldn't this add a rotation? by pulling her leg upwards while her head is going downwards it increases the Gs that her neck and brain is suffering. I mean there is a reason why people try no to spin vertically while bungee jumping aside of a few broken ankles you risk to suffer a hypovolemic circulatory shock by all the blood rushing in a sec.

Spider-silk is special, and so is Gwen Stacey....... Awwwwww lol

I've always wondered, how much "web fluid" can the small canisters in his web shooters really hold? They're small and he shoots a LOT of webbing before he runs out. Also, it's not the fall that kills you, it's the sudden stop.

So, if Gwen were *pushed* off the top of a bridge, there'd be some lateral velocity too, right? She wouldn't be falling straight down, strictly speaking. So regardless of whether or not there was enough give in the spider silk to safely arrest her fall, if Spider Man was standing on the top of the tower of the bridge, Gwen would be slowly moving laterally away from him at the velocity of the initial shove. Therefore, when the spider-line catches her, all of her lateral movement would translate into gravitational potential energy, and she'd swing back into the side of the bridge, upside down, and probably head first. Probably not healthy. Also, don't most of those bridges taper as they get taller? They have a big central base, and then occasionally step in as you get higher up? If one were falling off the bridge, and impacted one of those steps, especially if falling head first, it'd do some damage!

In the beginning you mentioned whip lash. This usually causes injury in apegdages such as a neck, by first accelerating the appendage (in this case a head attached to a neck) parallel to the velocity vector, followed very quickly by the neck accelerating in an arc perpendicular to the velocity vector, thus the neck quickly dislodged and causes "the injury." She might die by being swung in a weird way even if she fell a smaller distance. Edit: Kyle mentioned this case at the end of the video. Opened my damn mouth too early.

Hi Kyle, i believe there are many additional factors to consider that would ultimately make the chances of gwen surviving much less likely. first off we know spidermans's web slinging usually reach a wide variety of ranges to reach the different distances that he needs to traverse. this would mean spiderman would not only have to catch her with his web, but he also needs to stop shooting his web at the right moment so that the length of the web would stop extending at the right time to stop gwen's fall before she hit the ground. So factoring the mental stress to catch her in the limited short time frame he has to work with and to not over extend his web after catching her, it could come to reason that spiderman may have undershot the required length of web to catch her, which would mean the web silk that he shot was already stretched close to its tensile limit when it caught her. This then reduces the amount of cushioning effect his web would have on reducing her fall speed. We can also prove that spiderman's does shoot his webs with such force that they usually do hit the target close to the tensile limit of the web on a regular basis. *anytime he shoots at a high point while standing on the ground, the web shot would usually launches himself into the air to allow his trademark web swinging action across the city. while i myself am not too sure on the calculations to figure out how much tensile strength is required from his webs to pull him up into the air with enough elastic force, but this does prove that spiderman's web threads do get launched and stretched prior to hitting his target on a regular basis, and if his catch immediately pulled back on gwen after catching her, that only amplifies the halting speed of her fall rather than safely slowing it with a cushioning effect. TL:DR spiderman shoots his webs pre-stretched so the web pulls back on the fall rather than slowing it safely.

Nice analysis, Kyle. But, there is one factor you didn't consider. The spider silk has to attach to her body strongly enough to arrest her motion. Even if you assume Ol' Spidey has invented a quick-drying adhesive strong enough to support a human's weight (he does swing from his webs all the time, so I think that's a fair assumption), the web is only attached to a very small section of Gwen Stacey's skin. According to a study by Gallagher et al (see reference below), the mean dynamic tensile failure strain of human skin is 25.45 MPa, plus or minus 5.07 per cent. If we assume Peter Parker's web is attached to a one centimetre square area of Gwen's skin - and because 1 mega Pascal is equal to 1 Newton per square millimetre - Gwen's skin needs to be subjected to less than 2,545 N of force, or it would likely just be torn by the web. Since our hypothetical Gwen has a mass of 50 kg, and is falling at 29 m/s, she has a kinetic energy of 21,025 J at the moment the web contacts her. Unless I've completely messed up the math (which is quite possible, high school physics was a LONG time ago), Gwen would have to decelerate over a distance of more than 8.26m (say 8.5m to be safe) to keep the pressure on her skin below the tearing threshold. I think that would actually work, given how much some spider silks can stretch, but it's something that is worth considering. Cheers. EDIT: Put another way, at much above 5g of deceleration, Gwen's skin would fail before the web did. And if Peter liked his webs thin or his girlfriends thicc, she'd be in real trouble ;) www.ircobi.org/wordpress/downloads/irc12/pdf_files/59.pdfMPa

This is probably the most epic video you've ever made. It's like travelling back in time and saving Gwen with science. Great job!

What if the Green Goblin already killed her before and just threw her body? That would be a great villanous way of getting Spiderman to blame it on himself. I would do that. wait. I'm not the Green Goblin. I'm just insane. About your show. Edit: If he would have killed her BY swooping her of the bridge with the glider, that would pretty much work and look the same , she doesn't even scream.

bungee jumpers fall and are arrested by bungee in a similar fashion. Judging by the comic frames, there looks to be only one ledge that between her and the water in the catch frame, being that the tower gets wider, she must have had some horizontal velocity leaving the top. Now, without me adding more math to this, i will add a few thoughts. spiderman was at the top when he caught gwen, who was in your video halfway down. at that point (approximately) the tower gets larger. Accounting for the horizontal velocity and spiderman being closer to center than her, when arrested she would have flung into the tower. Kyle, you rock climb so im sure you are aware that its not fun to fall and then swing into the object you fell off of because your lifeline is attached to it. Gwen fell head first so i assume there was some blunt force trauma between her head whiping under her pivot point and the side of the tower. that leaves worse imagery than the comic... possibly why it wasn’t included.

I think the writers of The Amazing Spider Man 2 figured out that the math was just as you said Kyle and there for made it so Gwen's head hit the ground. But you know in comic books nothing has to make sense for it to be entertaining or tragic. Great work and love the vids.

Keep in mind that Spidey's webs weren't like actual webbing. They had settings based on his pressure on the button. He could have easily made it more rigid or other without realizing it.

Kyle, we’re gonna have to agree to disagree. In the iconic panel, we can see that Gwen is arched and her head is snapping backwards. I think given the visual evidence given, we have to assume she pivoted on her heel once Spidey caught her. Using your numbies, a radius of 1.57 m (via your used wt and the Hamwi formula), and the centripetal acceleration formula of F = m * v^2 /r, the slowest F I can get is 9642 N applied to her cervical vertebrae. From my research, it takes ~ 4400-5600 N to fracture the cervical spinal column. Poor Gwen is still doomed.

Why is your hair not obeying the laws of gravity, let me guess: Argan Oil?

I remember reading about when Gwen died when I was a kid. I always thought that she died from fear, not from the sudden stop that snapped her neck. How odd.

Hey Kyle, cool episode. Gwen was the best and I would have loved for the scientific outcome to have been canon. Two things that might explain why she does die are 1 Like you said, she may have fallen at an angle. In the comics you showed, she seemed to be falling horizontally. So if spiderman caught her by her legs, her body would have started rotating, which could (mind the word 'could'; I'm not sure) have caused a whip-like effect that would snap her neck, literally cracking it like a whip. 2. If spiderman caught her below 28% of the height of the bridge (so the stretch length remaining would be less than 40%) She could have simply hit the floor below. Then the spider silk would have helped her stay perfectly vertical, so that her head would be the first thing to hit the floor.

Great video, Kyle. My wife and I love your show and I especially love your Spider-Man centric ones. Couple of things though; I know you based your calculations off of real spider silk, but Peter is constantly updating, changing, and making new variations on his basic webbing formula. It’s possible he had something with less elasticity at the time. Also I know it’s hard to tell because it’s from a comic book page, but do your calculations take into account the possibility that in a panic maybe Peter pulled up on the webbing as it caught Gwen? He does have superhuman strength and it’s been documented time and again that he holds back. So in a panic, maybe he pulled up on the web just a little too hard, reducing the cushion the web would have given Gwen during her fall. This is the love of his life, so him being a little overzealous would be plausible.

10:36 Hey, I understood that reference!

You sir, have earned this like and subscription. Even though the distance, tensile strength, elasticity is all up for comic book debate, and blah blah blah, you always come out with such cool FUNducational videos. With so much real science and research poured into these videos, it really makes my favorite comics feel more alive. Keep it up dude 🤙

Additionally what the comic doesn't calculate for is the potential dissipation of Gwen's kinetic energy if the web was fired at an angle. This would give an additional decrease to her velocity as she swings in an arc reducing the need for a strong flex to web.

thing is, spider-man's web properties and formula evolved with his experiences. It's not real spider silk, but an analogue. The death of Gwen stablished that his early webs were calibrated on strenght and elasticity more with spider-man and his villains in mind than regular people, and spidey is at least a couple orders of magnitude stronger and more resilient than gwen. And he knew this. But when Gwen was falling erred in panic and shot a regular webline instead of going for safer options. That's the core of his Gwen guilt, he got clouded in emotions in a life or death situation and he fucked up tragically. Since then most of the times he tries to push away allies and friends that could help him in his fights, because he doesn't want to put them and himself in a compromised situation again.

Can you talk about how slip space works from halo

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A full analysis of the death of Gwen Stacy and the saddest part.... The fallout 76 plug in the beginning.

Two major factors could have an impact here, one being a hypothetical, the other a canon fact. One canon fact about the original Peter Parker, he made his own webbing and shooter, creating the fluid that would react to the air and harden into his iconic webbing as he shot it out. So its plausible that his mixture has more rigidity than standard spider silk. Another point in favor of this possibility is the way his web seems to maintain length as he swings, rather than show signs of stretching during the arc of his swing due to momentum. Feats mirrored in newer media, showing the lack of elasticity, though there are exceptions. -Anything involving a train comes to mind. Though there are some free fall moments too, but those are a mixed bag. Some are sudden stops, others are slowed descents. But it could point to the fact that her falling did not carry enough energy to counter the rigidity of his webbing, given how much thicker it is compared to spider silk, and he made it with his weight and velocity during a swing in mind initially. He has also changed the composition of his webbing for various situations, so its consistency varied quite frequently, and may not have been suitable for that situation. For the hypothetical- I have heard of a medical condition/birth defect that could play a part in this to deadly effect. Weakened vertebrae of the neck and spine that left the individual more susceptible to trauma due to sudden jerks and concussions, or blunt impact to the back of the skull. Which could result in spinal damage that would leave one partially, or completely numb below the neck, followed soon by death. Such a person would be at a high risk of injury and likely be warned off bungie jumping, high diving, kidnapping by hobgoblins, and roller coasters.

Hey Kyle, how powerful are the arm pistons on Big O?

I think it would be interesting to calculate the force the Goblin Glider struck her with to launch her off the bridge, and if it was enough to have caused enough damage to make her susceptible to dying from something that was otherwise survivable.

Hey Kyle awesome episode. I think it’s ironic that you proved the stretch of the web would have saved her during the fall in the comics but the stretch of the web was a factor in what killed her in the Amazing Spider-Man 2 movie. Thanks for another great episode, keep on keeping on.

Hi, Kyle. I have been a long time fan of the show ever since your video on Quicksilver's Walkman. Your videos have allowed me to have a much better understanding of complex scientific concepts, especially as I have been working on my astrophysics degree. Now, I have a question regarding a What If? comic Marvel released recently. In "What If Peter Parker Became the Punisher?," the same incidents of "The Night Gwen Stacy Died" occur except Gwen survives. What happens differently is that Peter catches Gwen with a web line and swings her into a lift, where she lands in a web net. When Peter goes to check on her, she is alive and is alright after a few days in the hospital. My question is this: would Gwen still survive her fall in this situation? Would the web net supply enough time for her to be slowed down, or would the added torque from Peter's swing or some other force be enough that she would still die? Thank you for all you've done, and I look forward to more content in the future.

Hi Kyle! I Love the show! And I love the hair! 🙂 James Kakalios in The Physics of Superheroes points out an even bigger basic misunderstanding flaw. Where Spider-Man receives a harsh physics lesson, and the Green Goblin’s scientific “genius” is called into question. At the last possible instant, Spider-Man manages to catch Gwen in his webbing, narrowly preventing her from plummeting into the river below. And yet, upon reeling her back up to the top of the bridge, Spider-Man is shocked to discover that Gwen is in fact dead, despite his last-second catch. “She was dead before your webbing reached her!” the Goblin taunts. “A fall from that height would kill anyone-before they struck the ground!” Apparently the Green Goblin, creator of such advanced technology as the Goblin-Glider and Pumpkin Bombs, suffers from a basic misunderstanding of the principle of conservation of momentum. Of course, if it were true that it was “the fall” that killed poor Gwen, then the implication for the fate of all skydivers and paratroopers would suggest a massive conspiracy of silence on the part of the aviation industry. EDIT: Kyle mentioned this at the very end of the episode... Well, still first like and comment. :)

Hey, Kyle. Love the show! Quick question: do you actually calculate all your equations yourself or are they (fully, mainly or partly) outsourced to other people, like a behind-the-acenes team?

When did thor became so smart?

Spider-Kyle! Spider-Kyle! Does whatever a Spider-Kyle does! Can he swing from a web? No he can't, He's a man. Lockout! He is the Spider-Kyle! (But he can do some science!) Love the show thank you for all of that knowledge over the years.

I would have a *neck* of a time surviving that *Snap*

I've been waiting for this video for so long!

the problem is that whenever the back of the head hits any object with enough force that blood comes out the nose(like what happened to lovely gwen) to much internal damage, the person is gone “unless an ER is within minutes to remove the back of the skull for swelling” then it is still iffy... emma did such an amazing job of making gwen perfect.. it is the ONLY death scene in any movie that made tears go down my cheek.. i still have a hard time watching it

Spiderman body would also have some give, being pulled by Gwen's bodyweight. He is strong enough to lift tons but he doesn't have an incredible weight (although his surface adherence might somewhat negate my assumption )

Hello Kyle, Since we're already doing stress vs strain, I was curious as to the inelastic deformation of spider silk. As you know inelastic strain occurs when an object deforms to a certain point and then when it is no longer subjected to the force which deformed it originally, it no longer un-stretches (re-stretches?) back to its original form. After Gwen Stacy is caught by the web, she no longer needs to be slowed by the web and as such there is less force applying to said web. This means that the web itself would then pull her back to spider man after she fully declerated to 0. However, since I've not read the comics, and I've only seen the movie (amazing spider man 2, I know the settings are different but I will make your same bridge assumptions), spider mans silk does not pull her her back up, she remains dangling right where she has fallen. This means that its deformation was nearly 100% inelastic. Or in other words for a material so stretchy (and this is where you will have to clarify) that means it nearly hit its breaking point. My question becomes then is your 40% value the value that the silk would hit before beginning inelastic transformation? Or is the value right before it's final breaking point? If it's the former, we have a lot more room to work with as the silk can actually stretch much more (albeit in-elastically), but if it's the later doesn't that mean that gwen would be subjected to different values after she stretched the web too much? If so how much stronger do spider man's webs need to be in order to make up for the fact that they weaken significantly as they stretch to the max? Would this subject her to more G's and would it be too much for the body to handle while in a nose dive? Lastly, since she is falling face first doesn't this mean all of her blood rushes to her brain as she is slowed by the webs? Assuming she survives the negative 6 g's, what compications would arrise from such a traumatic event? Brain hemorhaging or aneurysm (is it an aneurysm if it's caused by trauma?) Seem to be likely contenders. If she survives would gwen stacy still be the one that spider man knew depending on the extent to which her head was damaged?

Hey Kyle! Love the show! What's more amazing is that spiders mainly use two types of webs. By varying the protein component, they also vary it's properties. They use a more rigid one composed of more beta sheets than alpha helices of protein, for support when they are hanging and for the radial structure of the web, on the other hand a more flexible web, with more alpha helices are used for the spiral part for capturing prey and wrapping them.

Really funny coming back all this time later and hearing excited advertising for Fallout 76. Also cool video, poor peter can't even win when the odds are in his favor lol.

Hey Kyle Great episode, as always. Question, we covered the whether the web snagging Gwen would have killed her. But what about Gwen's position in the air? She was head pointed down like a dive, what if she was falling chest first like a skydiver slowing their fall? Or if she was falling back first facing up at the top of the bridge? Would the pendulum like snap of her swinging have done the damage necessary to kill her? Take Care and Be Well

Kyle, you look like you could be Chris Hemsworth AKA Thor's son lol...just wow it's chilling how much you look like him!!!

Amongst the best videos of yours!

Hey Kyle, I just had a midterm where we had to justify how globular and fibrous proteins would affect the makeup of spider-silk for Spider-Man. It makes sense in the way that it can be used for web-swinging and capturing criminals, but how would it change based on the gadgets that he uses? Would taser webs have to have a different chemical makeup in order to make them more conductive? In the PS4 game when you use web bombs and impact webs, would they have to change slightly too, or is it simply that the mechanism that launches it determines the outcome?

Hey Kyle (and by extension, the keepers of the void), what do you think about the idea of using webshooter-like technology as a tool for use in space? Like some sort of sticky, spidersilk rope like grapple to move around in weighless situations... It could aid in mobility in larger spaces and could potentially save lives during spacewalks. The web wouldn't need to be crazy strong to just pull around the mass of a human and their gear, nor would it need large amounts of propulsion since it doesn't have to fight against gravity or air resistance. It could be built into a space suit and the user could just aim and shoot at some chosen anchor point to pull or winch themselves in that direction. I sure there's a lot that would need to be worked out but I think the idea would be a lot easier to implement in those cases. Since it's a single string it'll be easy clean up and there's no needd to worry about pesky nanoparticles. This is mostly me just thinking about a few episodes I was rewatching and felt like combining some of the ideas in them. Seems a lot easier to accomplish for space than for terrestrial purposes. Who knows, maybe this comment can spark someone's imagination and we can find out of it's actually possible. Anyways love the show! I really like learning in such an entertaining way.

Spiderman's silk couldn't stretch that much because if it did, Peter would face plant into the ground any time he swung from a low building

Am sure its been mentioned here somewhere that Uatu the Watcher confirmed (through one of Kyle's alternate universes) that Gwen could have been saved by Peter jumping to catch her in his arms rather than using the web line, wondering if that knowledge would give him peace or torment him further. So also canon that she died from the web, just as normally presumed, as always tho another fun and educational vid!

@10:56 lol thats exactly what Green Goblin says. He says the shock of falling off killed her and that "she was dead before she hit the ground" if Spidey hadn't caught her. Also it's implied that her neck snapped.

See, talking about the strength of Spider-Silk now you've got me thinking... the scene where Spiderman holds a BOAT together (or stops a train, any of these feets), just how much Spider-Web would he need to use, how does all that force transfer onto his arms/body? Would the webbing fail?... Man, really curious now.

I love that beat that plays in the background 🔥

I’m taking AP Physics and AP Calculus this year and am now appreciating the work out into these calculations.

0:11 that sounds so wrong on so many levels xD I assumed the sound would be closer to velcro being ripped apart quietly :P

Hey Kyle, love the shows (all of them), I was wondering what your thoughts are on the connection point between the spider silk and Gwen’s leg/skin. If you are going with a realistic interpretation of spider silk... could it actually wrap around her leg like in the panel or would it be more realistic to assume that it would have around the same surface area as you stated in the video? Going with the assumption that the connection point had the “cross-sectional area of a pencil”, would that be enough surface area for her skin to survive the forces in question? I tried looking into the math but… yeah :P I would be interested to hear your thoughts on this point. Also thank you for everything you do, I’m looking forward to sharing your videos with my son when he gets older.

MatPat also offers another possible issue for how she died - on his video about how swinging around would likely kill Peter Parker due to not having an open circulatory system, he discussed the G-forces. It’s possible depending on how she fell and swung after the fall that the G-shock did her in, even with the gentleness of the silk, especially if her BP was already raised from Green Goblin having captured her previously. That said, glad to know the silk itself wasn’t at fault. Maybe Pete can stop blaming himself for that. Also, to tie this into another video you did, it offers more proof for how his spider-sense isn’t really precognition but an enhanced sensory input. His ability to detect danger is isolated to him as opposed to being able to tell instinctively how to act- otherwise, he wouldn’t have webbed her in a dangerous way.

I'd love to see a video based around the physics of Samus Aran's power suit showing things about her screw attack, morph ball or even her arm canon

6:01 you can see that when Spiderman stops a runaway train using is webs, the web stretches before stopping the train.

Well at least in the movie they get around this by having her head hit the ground.

You look pertty sad whenever you mention Gwen's death. Did that moment in the comic have a real impact on you?

Hello Kyle love the show (and your hair). But there were a few things i noticed in the first couple minutes: 1. During the start when you were climbing on top of the void (which I’m struggling to figure out how) but when you moved you made weird noises which never happened for Spider-Man. 2. When you used your webs to get onto the left side of the bridge you could hear the familiar sound of the web being sent out of your hand, travelling to the top side of the bridge, and then finally you going there in a couple seconds. Due to the angel in which the webbing is joining the bridge we can assume your going up the side of the bridge with the webbing. If we assume that your on the bottom of the bridge than you’d be the fastest Spider-Man ever, which I would think be better if he was played as you. 3. Now later in the video you Spider-Maned over to the right side of the bridge in let’s say 2 seconds. That would mean my point before is confirmed as you’d be travelling ridiculous speeds 6570.0000 kmh (or 4082.4087 mph for you American boi) Or I could be overthinking this and you just wanted to edit yourself to be more like Spider-Man. With that Thor like hair of yours I would love to see you do it. I’d probably do some stuff for the chance to see Spider-Thor come in and save me or stop me. Anyway love the show and I hope you continue doing it.

I haven't even finished this video and I already can't wait for the BoS footnotes video with corrections / comments /general nerdiness.

this is why in The Amazing Spider-Man 2 the spiderweb stretched and Gwen hit her head off the ground!

Assuming all of your assumptions are correct, what about a possible snapping movement of Gwen’s body when her body slows down and possibly whips her head? Just a thought for your footnotes.

EVEN IF Gwen's deceleration is within "survivable" means doesn't mean she would just not die. even outside of "rotational forces" from her neck not being straight, she would still need immediate medical attention. the kind of medical attention that would require several surgeries. IF she did get immediate medical attention and didn't die, she would most likely be permanently crippled. the emotional trauma mixed with constant pain management and hospital bill stresses (not to mention possible development of permanent mental illnesses caused from the physical trauma) would be major receptors to create SI, and 45yrs ago none of this would be treated with the reverence it has today, so most likely she would take her own life. that's the worst of the best case scenario....but realistically, between where she fell and the events surrounding her death, she wouldn't receive immediate medical attention and die anyway. not from the fall or the way it's defined in the book. Kyle's math/science only prove it's SURVIVABLE....but you might as well say "chugging NY hot dog cart water is survivable"....if the water itself doesn't kill you, the hot dog cart owner will.

Another great educational and interesting episode Kyle! also probably the closest to my name getting called out.. ill keep watching and waiting.. haha

If you recreate the same panel the way they did in The Amazing Spiderman 2 would she still survive? I'm not sure she would. Peter had to stop her just before Gwen hit the ground and his silk didn't have any stretch at all. It didn't stretch in the Amazing Spiderman when he was saving cars thrown from the bridge. In almost all media comics, animated series, movies there doesn't seem to be a constant where Peter's webs stretch at all, only when the plot says it has to.

Great video Kyle, but something I feel deserves mention is the comic panel does seem to imply Gwen died by having her neck snapped by the sudden stop (thus the Snap! right next to her neck), and to me that seems the most logical cause of death in that situation. Which lines up with your assessment her neck may have been aligned wrong when she stopped and broke it. Thing is this raises another question of how much Peter is responsible for her death: a broken neck is not inherently lethal despite what fiction suggests. To be lethal it has to either happen close enough to the brainstem to cause rapid swelling of the spinal cord and disrupting blood flow and nerve signals to the brainstem (as hanging does when done correctly), have severely damaged or severed the spinal cord above certain vertebrae, or to have happened in such a way that bone fragments hit something vital. If it'd broken in any other way but this (excluding some I missed in my quick research), Gwen might have been paralyzed but she could have lived with quick enough medical attention. Which means logically, for this to have happened, Spidey and Gwen must have been very unlucky. In all likelihood, had her neck been aligned any other way, she probably would have lived.

hay kyle Amazing video, I also enjoy trying to analyze/conceptualize nerdy concepts like comic books and this video reminded me of another spidey question I've have, what is the muzzle velocity of spider man's web shooters? I asked myself what if Spidey was knocked off the shield helicarrier & had to web line straight back up to save himself, how fast would his web line fire? given the worst case scenario, he may have to reload before he can make the attempt which could take enough time for him to reach terminal velocity. So his web shooter would have to have a muzzle velocity greater than that, would it be double the terminal velocity? if so what does this mean for all the people he's shot with web balls & the like? I know we don't have the mass of spider mans wed, but assuming its comparable to a tennis ball. then the force of spidey's web ball would be ~14,000 newtons, straight to someones face as we've seen spidey do when he wants to shut up would be bad guys.

I'm a bit late with my comment because I am at work when these are being posted... I was wondering, is your void something virtual? The glitching sometimes is a bit weird, although the frequency seems to have decreased recently.

Kyle has web powers! Oh my goodness an adgardian with freakin spider man powers! Spider thor, spider thor, does whatever spider thor does. Shoots a web, at the hulk, but mr. hulkey doesn’t really care. He gets smashed, off a plane, now he’s salty and quite mad. Thanooooos is gonna kill spiderrr thooor!

So if they depicted spiderman web swinging correctly he would be more bungee jumper than web swinger

Awesome and informative video

The one thing I really liked about the Amazing Spider-Man 2 is that they had Gwen hit her head on the ground and that's why she died - because Spider-Man just barely couldn't save her.

In the Amazing Spider-man 2 her head hits the ground so we'll just meet half way

Peter Parker is very much a person who can't rely on luck to be on his side. It's a pretty common theme throughout most media starring him that if there is any probability involved it will play against him.

Depending on how fast she decelerated, it is possible that she could still experience a blackout and possible brain damage from how she slowed down. In addition, depending on how she was caught, it could potentially cause damage to her joints (including dislocation) and to her muscles, ligaments, and tendons. So, she might have a significant limp or need a cast after being caught.

I wish you had explored what makes up Spider-Man's webs, it would have helped as a comparison to real spider silk. Also, how much does it take to snap a neck taking into account the downward momentum and whiplash?

I love a good love interest death as much as the next bad guy, and I think you've oversimplified this to give her a chance, you do-gooder. Whilst she might have survived a simple drop if everything had stayed perfectly in line, a body on the end of a line of spider silk is going to work more like a compound pendulum, where any slight deviation away from the vertical would result in an acceleration when the line started to get taut. Her body, held at the ankle, could pivot at the knee, hip, along the spine and crucially at the neck, and with the human head weighing around 5kg that could make for some significant g forces experienced by the brain. So, if spiderman hadn't been directly above her, or she hadn't fallen vertically downwards in a perfectly straight dive, then I suspect she might have suffered like the end of a bullwhip does...

Kyle it may not have broken her neck but ... what about the blood in her body being that quickly forced I to her head what might that have done?

Love it when I can relate my final year physics to movies, and understand what this guy is taking about

Love how gravity in the void changed to keep your ponytail from pointing down when you were crawling on the ceiling.

Hey Kyle, love the show! Question: Would Peter's homemade web fluid work in the same way as biologically produced spider silk?

Love the show, mostly because of your hair 😅 Shouldn't the stretchiness and the toughness of the web be higher since it's not a single pencilwide strand Spiderman shoots out, but a multitude of strands adding up to a pencilwide "rope"?

I have heard many times the shock of the fall will kill you, before you hit the ground. The explanation I have found is that the shock of falling from a great height and realizing you have no way to stop yourself induces panic causing a heart attack.

Great show!! Caught in your web...lol. What is the shelf life of spider silk? Also how resistent are its properties to water or radiation???