Haney doesn’t get the credit he deserves.

Important to consider that Dorian himself stated that he over-dieted and came in shredded in 92 as he knew Haney wasnt competing and he was more worried about smaller guys like Labrada and Shawn Ray.

8 Sandows, no injuries, no losses as Mr O=GOAT.

Lee was huge AND aesthetic. He would have won 9 easily. Now '93 is a different story!!

Haney had one of the best front doubles imo. The small waist with the wide lats, and the width of his arms compared to his hips is insane

Haney has the perfect body IMO, untouchable, big, aesthetic, ripped.

Absolutely Lee would have taken his 9th. Lee's structure to begin with, nevermind his extra muscle him.

Lee Haney retired at 32 years old. Imagine he would have kept competing into his mid 30s. Retired right before his prime.

I love Dorian but I feel Haney is truly complete, he looked amazing. Never was the biggest but you can argue the best looking package ever. Ronnie just took a similar body and made it huuuuuge

The chests size difference between them is huge, I mean Lee really had one of the best pecs ever!

0:10 I meant to say 5 time, sorry guys.

Haney had vastly superior structure.

Lee haney has an awesome front double bicep

Haney wasn't the most muscular, neither most asthetic He was the perfect combination of both ❤️ And he retired at the age of 31 If he had competed for few more years, he could have achieved muscle maturity

Definitely Haney. His physique + waist to shoulder ratio is second to none. Considering the preference back in that time, the judges would definitely be going for a physique like his.

If Haney had continued to compete for a few more years, I don't think Dorian could've beat him. Haney is superior in every way. Haney could've had 10 Olympias if he went for it...

Lee Haney's best version, was always his last version. So He might have had a solid chance to beat Dorian, especially if You consider that Lee usually trained light to avoid injuries, his body didn't need to overdo things, also since 93 Dorian had to deal with serious injuries. From 93 and so on, Lee would have been forced to use GH and insuline as Dorian though. In terms of single muscles, Lee's pecs and biceps are bigger and fuller, and despite the fact Dorian was a little bit crispier and with slighty wider lats and slighty bigger calves, that is still not enough to beat a gigantic and aesthetic phenomenon like Lee. So in my opinion, Haney might have had a chance to beat Dorian in 92, He never stopped getting better and better, but from 93 We can't know It since GH and insuline completely transormed Dorian's body...

Multiple O-winners like Arnold, Haney, Dorian, and Ronnie set the tone for their era. During each one’s reign, their physiques became the standard by which everyone else was judged. Haney was the apotheosis of the late-70s early 80’s look: exceptional structure, aesthetics, and presentation with lots of size and good conditioning. Dorian was the ideal of the 90’s: crazy mass, crazy hardness, with structure, aesthetics, and presentation taking a clear back seat. I’d wager if Haney and Dorian had clashed in ‘92, Haney’s reign would have continued an additional year before the Dorian look-and the mass monsters-took over the O. After Dorian won, the Arnold Classic went to the guys-like Flex Wheeler and Kevin Levrone-who in a previous era would have won the Mr. O.

Let's transfer Dorian's 1st Sandow over to Lee for his 9th.

Im talking down town! Mark is hilarious. Best bodybuilding channel on youtube!

9:30 That V-shape..that's bodybuilding at its finest.

I found your channel only two days ago and you are already my favorite bodybuilding KZfaq channel

Haney had the most balance of asthetic with size 250lbs with that physique ❤️

Dorians left arm always looked like a accident waiting to happen. His left arm seemed shorter than the right,weird

You have a great voice, and entertaining.

"Freshen your drink Governor, pickle juice, bok ,bok,bok," hilarious AF. I love it !

the greatest British accent ever xD

WTF are you looking at with the front double bicep pose?! Lee Haney SMOKES Dorian in that pose. Not even close!

great voice you have☺

Dorian probably has my fav side tricep pose of all time

Because 1988 was the year I graduated high school so it stands out in my memory more and I have friends who attended the Olympia that year. The weigh-in was helda few days before the show.

Yes he would have captured his 9th

Lee is the most underrated most olympia winning athlete

All credit to Lee for filling out his arms as much as he did. They're noticeably longer than Dorian's. Longer arms are harder to fill out...unless you're Sergio:^) If Lee could put another inch on them while staying in condition, lights-out.

Great comparison!!!!!!

Max your humor is awesome it's just like mine haha what about some Gustavo Badell vs any new guy

Absolutely! Haney came in at 259 lbs in 1989! Imagine if he came in at that weight with his 1984 and 1991 conditioning? In fact..if Haney came in at 259 and shredeed to the bone..I think He'd have beaten Dorian in 1993 too!

I think had Haney trained to go against Dorian, he probably could have won 92. Haney wasn't fading from age, he was 30 or 31 when he won his last Olympia. That's basically prime years for current bodybuilders. As for 93, I'm not sure. Haney clearly had the genetics to achieve whatever he wanted, but he wasn't interested in training that hard to look like that and said himself he didn't want to train himself into injuries. You can see by his successors, Ronnie and Dorian, that it comes with a big price. Training, and gear, has come a long way since the 90's, but back then, it was all about lifting as big and heavy as you could.

Lee Haney made good gains in size especially his back between 1991 and 1992 Olympia's. Which proves he still had plenty left in the tank. I believe if Lee did the 92 Olympia he would have made the improvements necessary to hold off Dorian. Lee was genetically put together far better than Dorian, and Lee's 32 inch waist and huge back gave the illusion of being super wide. Dorian likes to tell people that in 1993 his improvements were down to not over dieting. But obviously this is nonsense. These gains were the result of insulin usage. We saw it with Nasser in 97 and with Flex Wheeler in 99. And obviously it was insulin usage that propelled Ronnie to Mr Olympia from literally nowhere. Whenever a seasoned pro suddenly makes massive gains after being on gear many year's it's usually down to insulin.

Lee would have even in '93. His body was still maturing AND... he stated: "I finally learned how to Peak!!". So yes, he could have and he' s a friend. Shirley felt that she needed him more in the home life from what I got speaking with him about it. Now.... I worked with Weider and crew at the Mr. Olympia '92 backstage with Joe and crew. They called them to the stage, Dorian out first I said loudly #1...Kevin, I said #2. It was a toss up from there, until Ronnie who placed low for years. He came out...I turned speaking to the luminaries backstage stating: "When he gets his things in order...he's gonna do exactly like Haney did!!". Full Stop, I kid you Not!! I don't gamble but since then....I have fought the urge to consistently play Lotto!! 💯👌🏾😝😉

3:43 One of the best Chicken 🐔 impersonations I ever heard...😆🥚🥚🥚🥚

I would never doubt Lee Haney. The man was very complete. Dorian came in and changed the game, and he gets his due respect. Lee does not get his due respect. The man won 8 in a row and was never off. He is also an incredible ambassador for the sport. That said, Lee over Dorian all day.

You just reminded me of that video game, wrestling or boxing?, that used a lot of pro bodybuilders’ likeness. Can’t recall the name of it.

Battle of the Undersized Arms Sandow Winners. (Love them both, for what it's worth.) P.S. Haney was the last of the traditional 'Y-shaped' physique Mr. Os. From Dorian on, we migrated into the X-shaped physique era. But even Haney's legs had begun the shift from Arnold. N.B. No, I'm not saying that anyone's legs are shit. Merely that the standards have changed. If you want to see how much, maybe MMM can compare Steve Reeves with Big Ramy.

I can imagine Lee Haney at least 3 or 4 weeks before that show....Dorian style...

Future topic (hopefully it wasn't covered already) - Could Arnold have won more Olympia titles in the 1970's if he hadn't given up bodybuilding before his 1980 comeback?

Dorian literally has twin basketballs tht he call lats 0:51

I think, yes, Lee had made it in '92. On the other hand: I saw Lee several times guestposing and I met Dorian '92 at the german profi grand prix in Duisburg. I' ve never been so shooked by a bodybuilder 😳.

Yes. He was dwarfing Dorian in some shots and would have won in 1992. Dorian started insulin for 1993 and took a major step and would have beaten him. Then again, maybe Lee takes it as well and has his own massive growth to stay just ahead. I doubt Lee would have though but it’s fun to speculate

I'm an Englishman and could not tell the difference with that mimic of the queens english, its exactly how we all talk from the boarders of Scotland to land's end, my sole.

6:40 Of course you must appreciate Dorian for mass, he was sick... But even here, the mass wasn't all there yet in 96, but the amount of detail on Dorian in so many places on the back, and the youthful aesthetics that a rising genetic star displays; the judges would be and were correctly in awe.

Back in the day the rumours were the weirders were looking for another type of champion, and Lee knew his days were numbered. So he decided to retire as champ. Lee Haney is the premiere Mr Olympia in my personal opinion.

Important to consider that the hoo haa pose is the most important pose

I'm surprised at how much thicker Haney's mid and lower back are. Dorian is much more conditioned in the back but it makes for a intersting comparison.

I like how sometimes you won't even give a point if ya don't feel either is doing enough to warrant the point. Also geez man hahahhaah those impressions you do! Keep it up!

Haney is underrated. All I see people talk about is chum, Ronnie, jay, Dorian. Etc etc

Cool vid, but my belief is that legends should remain in the legendary league, and I think Lee understood this perfectly. I mean he reached Legendary level and it was time to roll credits and take his rightful place in the hall of heroes and let the next legend build it's self to greatness. Forcing it to what ifs and maybe if and perhaps and stuff like that just diminishes the magic of it. I think Lee was spot on to roll credits right on top of the world, blaze of glory and Dorian followed his example and that puts them in a special class. No disrespect for any other bodybuilders, but to my mind, the fact that they knew exactly when to ride into the sunset makes these two legendary gentlemen the best of all time. Just my two cents.

Haney was massive for that era and the last Mr. O with a classic symmetrical physique in my opinion. He saw Yates raise the bar on size and conditioning and start the mass monster era with a whole different ball game of designer steroids, HGH, insulin etc… as well as training philosophy. Haney may have simply called it a day and retired before the ‘92 Olympia because of the health risks involved to match up and defeat a guy who already gave him a run for his money at the ‘91 Olympia even though he was only 31 or 32 years of age. It was a wise decision, as he’s in great natural shape and health for his age now.

Abs and tight goes to haney in my eye

Yates in ab an thigh looks like the handsome squidward face

You have to take into account Dorian came in smaller in 92 because he knew he was the biggest competitor. Dorian focused on conditioning for 92 knowing he couldn't be out sized

Crazy how Haney and Dorian transferred over to Ronnie and Jay

I totally agree, he was able to win his 9 tittle

Haney was the GOAT no question Perfect balance of size, symmetry and conditioning not to mention how he was pure class as a person and the ultimate ambassador of the spot to this day

If the two of them walked in like that, Haney would kill him.

It’s crazy to think Haney could’ve gotten even better and he would have.

Haney in 1992 he would have taken a win. But regardless, he rose to beat Yates in 1991 and that was enough.

@3:38 I can not unsee Dorian without the pepper on his face lol and Marx max muscle your from the east coast aren't you?

I agree with most of what you said, but the front double bicep of lee is immaculate. Your judging of this pose seems a bit too tunneled on its namesake.

2:36 "Game Over Dorian"

Dorian looks like a jojos character in his ab and thigh

I don't know if you have children if you do I bet they love storytime

MAx is a Dorian fan we get it.

If Lee gained a few lbs but kept his waist & focused on condition....Neither man has the best front double biceps, but Lee's V wins the day.

Haney’s the male version of Dolly Parton 😂👍

Lee Haney was 31 years old in 1991 his last Olympia he was just hitting his is prime but he was smart he got out before he got injured or anything and he already beat the record

Dorian stated he was as big as in 93 by 92 but he dropped muscle in order to come super shredded, so this is totally hipotetical and unreal, but i was good to see pictures of them side to side with Dorians 92 physique

Lee Haney himself said he saw what was coming and that’s what made him retire

Lee's structure is untouchable. I think if they went head to head in 92 the judges would have probably been given a nod to Haney.

Fully agree.. I actually think Haney smokes Dorian in the front double bi shit - he was so much wider and that huge rib-cage and upper body just spreads out so much.. very impressive. His waist was always pretty tight as well, so the contrast is impressive as hell. Next to Flex Wheeler, Haney has my favorite double bi, all things considered. Yes his bis are weak, but there is so much else to enjoy. Unless Dorian got into Haney's head and Lee showed up too heavy to try and keep up with Dorian, I think Haney could have taken another solid win without too much effort. Haney is a class act all the way. The width, the pecs, the shape and flow of the torso - even the charisma and confidence.. just way too much for Dorian here: www.ironmaglabs.com/wp-content/uploads/lee-haney-dorian-yates.jpg

7:06 Dorian has the handsome Squidward face

Haney was the best IMO... It’s obvious the chemistry experimentation got a little wilder after 1992. Dorian pushed the limits then Ronnie took it to the extreme... Haney was my favorite he made me want to train... Dorian made you say wow that looks crazy beefed up then Ronnie made it comic book like... Dear God Cutler too he is in my top 3...

The ‘92 Olympia was in Helsinki, Finland, and I didn’t see it but according to the non weider magazines, Yates physique was basically the same as it was in ‘91, so I believe Haney would’ve won again. I emphasized “non weider” magazines because Muscle and Fitness and Flex (both owned by Joe Weider) had so called “writers” working at their publications who were complete Dorian Yates fanboys. They claimed that Yates had improved SO MUCH since his defeat to Haney at the previous Olympia and that he would have destroyed Haney in Helsinki. But virtually every other bodybuilding magazine at the time wrote that Yates looked basically the same in ‘92 as he did in ‘91.

Lee and Arnold, the true GOATS

If lee had stay on he will get better he is very smart

Dorian 'Freshen Your Drink For You Governor' Yates

I think, if Haney chose to do 92 Olympia he would've lost to Dorian. Dorian is a logical Guy. he said he used to analyse his Competitors n theirs physiques. He said in some interview lee labrada, shawn ray n vince taylor was his competition for 92 Olympia. they're much smaller than him but they could be in better condition n haney was retired at that point so No point in playing the Size game so he chose to come in light weight with equal or Better condition than his Competitors.

What was that at 3:37? 😆 😂

I only wish Haney had gone on to win his 9th then maybe he would get the credit he deserves...rarely hear him in a discussion as who is GOAT...but his record indicates that he is in fact the GOAT.

Much as I like Dorian, Lee was the last aesthetic Mr Olympia, imo. Interesting that his back was so competitive but, arguably, Lee's back was decisive in winning his titles, just like Dorian, though Dorian's conditioning + mass combo + overwhelming back set the tone going forward. Even so, imo, Lee was the biggest aesthetic Mr Olympia and his posing was art.

Yates looks like an amateur light heavy weight next to haney

"Dorian is a little too hard for me" ~ Marx Max Muscle😂

Yates has no v taper in the rear double biceps. And no biceps in front double biceps. And he needs bigger bosoms. Lol

Lee Haney reminds me of a stretched out, taller version of Kai Greene, especially in the back and mid-section, with the super low hanging lats, wide ribs and shoulders...Kai's just shorter, and more compact, and has more mass all over (especially legs).

Haney had crazy conditioning I am a big Haney fan personally I think Lee Blew out all competitors his vacuum the lats his legs were a little behind but even they were sliced and diced Lee takes the crown either way Lee with a bit more size on the quads would have won 15 titles

2:40 don't u see the separation in lee's arms . Its about who is better than the other its ot about who is the better than rest of the world so do a comparison with facts and figures.

@.50 sec, Lee looks like a he-man doll

The reason Dorian came lighter in 1992 is because Lee Haney retired & did not need to be as big. If Lee would have competed again with the same physique from 1991. Dorian would have unleashed his 1993 form one year earlier to match Lee in 1992. Also I talked to Lee Haney in a expo in 2005, asked if he ever considered competing in 1992. He told me that winning the Mr. Olympia was dream come true & said that he never thought he would win consecutive titles for so long. he took competing year by year for each Olympia defense, never thinking about records. He knew the 1991 Olympia would be his last stand & was a family decision with his wife a year prior. Knowing this would be his last Olympia, he conjured all his will & strength to bring his best & heaviest physique at 255 lbs for the 1991 Mr. Olympia contest. Putting so much effort & training in 1991, he no longer had the competed drive & was the final decision to retire.

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It's an open question as to whether or not Haney could have gotten better between 1991 and 1992. My guess is that his body could have but his mind perhaps would not have allowed him to push much further. Quick correction per your earlier statement of Dorian having only lost to Lee Haney. While that is true at the Olympia Dorian did lose his Pro debut at the 1990 Night of Champions to Mohammed benaziza and had also lost British championships overall in 1986 as well as the world games in the heavyweight class.