Absolutely ould

"You know, you used to write." lowkey coldest line

He ould, and probably ould

If Lebron didn’t win it in 2015 over Iggy, they’d never give it to the losing team’s best player.

No. Jerry West said it was embarrassing when he won the FMVP on the losing team. I doubt players want it if they lost the series

Ould lol

ould he tho?? I mean if Lebron ouldn’t have gotten it in 2015, why ould Curry now?

He ould

Ouldn't The Ringer have spell check?

Respect to Bill for not coming off like a homer or a hater when discussing this series. He's always been one of my favorite sports guys and I was kind of dreading listening to him during this series as a Warrior fan but he's been great. That being said I only listen when we win a game lol

Ould

It's between Curry and Brown right now. Tatum cannot be Finals MVP when he is shooting 33.4% FG. We will see what happens in the rest of this series but there are not many quality options right now.

Curry is by far the best player in this series in the first 4 games. Tatum might not even win it right now over Brown. I don't watch the Celtics much but have watched all their games 2nd round on and Tatum is just so frustrating. He settles for 3s when things get tough and does not go strong to the rim. His drives are usually casual strolls through the lane where he is off balance and fading away from the rim trying to draw a foul. Go up strong. Score over someone or through some. Todays NBA is so frustrating because 90% of the top players just shoot 3s so when its good its good but if its not good then they look overrated. Even bigs like Embiid and KAT want to be 3 point shooters. No wonder former players don't respect todays game. Its soft and relies on one play.

How valuable is your podcast Bill when Russillo carries your Network? That’s the real MVP iscussion

In Basketball I understand tying value to team wins somewhat. In baseball it is absurd, no one can carry a bad team to a good record solo. You bat 1 time in 9 period and If you are a starting pitcher you pitch under 1/5th total innings.

he most certainly ould!!!

I don’t see why he ouldnt look at how he’s playing

2018 LeBron, had he not gotten injured and by some miracle dragged that series out to 7 games, had a case for winning the Finals MVP even though he lost against that godly 2018 Warriors team. Curry would need to play like he did in game 4 for the rest of the series, maybe even better, in order to even consider winning Finals MVP on a losing team.

I'm not against the idea but the series would have to go 7 games and the person on the losing team would have to be averaging some pretty other worldly numbers and right now steph isn't if this were to go 7 games and steph was averaging like 38+ ppg than I probably woul vote for him but I think right now he's only at 34 ppg which is simply not enough for me because we've seen multiple players do that in recent years and they've won the finals

To the social media coordinator who messed up the title. It happens to best of us. You ouldn't be shamed

Simmons is such a Steph stan. Of course after his game 5 clunker he could only muster “I think he is playing hurt”, somehow forgetting that in game 4 he scored 40+

To me it's not just about how great Curry is playing, the Celtics also don't have anyone playing like a standout superstar. Best is probably Jaylen so far but still levels behind Curry.

The mvo for regular season is a different story, but the finals mvp should be the player who contributed the most in winning the championship. The most valuable player for winning.

Curry game 4 was almost to the Lillard game 5 against the nuggets in Denver when he scored 55… I was at that game and the amount of tough contested 3s dame made just crushed my Denver crowd over and over again

Hey congrats on balling out in the World Series! Legendary stuff! To celebrate your accomplishments, here’s a MOP! ….imagine that

Value doesn't have to mean a team wins. It's the difference between what they would be without you subtracted from what they are with you. What you add to the equation. If a 30 win team wins 50 games with a guy like Jokic, it's no different than Jokic helping a 10 win team win 30 games. Their value is identical (20 wins) regardless of how many wins the team has in the end. It's an INDIVIDUAL award for a TEAM sport

Ryen “I’ve gone back and looked up this stuff” Rusillo

Havlicek and those guys only played against a total of 8 teams the whole season. So, saying he played 48 minutes a game in the finals is a bit misleading. That doesn't even come close to someone who played all 82 games in the regular season today, the whole playoffs, and then, playing all 48 minutes a game in the finals.

As a Celtics fan this is what I don't like about Bill Simmons, Ryen, and the media at large, Bill Casually mentions Jaylen Brown as a FMVP candidate and then throws Tatum in there which as it currently stands make no sense for Tatum to be in the discussion and then Ryen basically says if the Tatum has a good game or two and the Celtics win he gets FMVP. On what Earth and with what eyes are ppl watching where ppl think Tatum deserves FMVP the only consistently good player for the Celtics game in and game out so far is Jaylen Brown so if he keeps playing at this pace the Cs win no way in fuck he shouldn't get the award.

I see you Simmons, i see your jinx

I like “MOP” cause then you could open up each “MOP” segment with “Ante Up” by M.O.P.

In baseball, one superstar can only change so many games. If their WAR is 7-8 then you’re considered a MVP & pitchers only play one or two games a week… So baseball comparison is so wrong lol World Cup often gives the best player award to a losing team so that kinda checks out.

Hey, Bill, if the guy you are guarding 48 minutes a game averages 38ppg, maybe you shouldn’t win MVP.

You guys can't say ould....that's OUR word.

ould definitely

Ould or ouldn't, that is the question

I asked myself the same thing a few days ago.

JB gonna win it if the C's win. Curry has been really good especially in game 4 but I think with the voting he would have to average like 40 8 and 8 to win finals MVP on the losing team.

Ryen looked in the future. Game 5 was tonight and Curry had a horrible game. His 3 point streaks are over because he couldn't get one to fall. Boston did a good job defending him and his shot was horrible all game.

if the voters would want to screw up Curry even more than they did in 2015, sure they give him fmvp with L in the finals. KD's legacy saved. Lebron and KD haters burying Curry to the ground entire offseason long

Luckily the warriors are gonna win so we won't have to worry about it.

It's very weird how the media cape for Curry, they shame other PGs for not being able to carry their teams but when Curry is asked to do the same thing "well, he can't do everything on his own" when he plays with a significantly better team that sales out to get him open looks. Then last year, during the MVP voting he came in 2nd place and couldn't even get his team to the playoffs. Now the talk is giving him Finals MVP in a loss, when his team was favored to win it before Game 1 by Vegas. The media won't admit it, but hes judged a curve no other Superstar in NBA history has been allowed.

Gotta side with ill Simmons here

How could you be most valuable if you did not win. Just like the regular season you have to win.

Yes.. if he is still is best player in series by the end of the finals and nobody on the celtics steps up then yeah its fine. There's precedent in the NBA finals with Jerry West and in the NHL and NFL a losing player as also won the MVP in the super bowl/playoffs, so it's really not that big of a deal. It's a rare occurrence but Curry so far would be the mvp win or lose.

He’s been by far the best player in the series so he should

If Steph goes off like that, Warriors will never loose that’s why this is impossible

i dont think it will happen. if they didnt give it to lebron in 2015 or 2017 when he averaged a 34 triple double, then i don't think they'll give it to curry if the warriors don't win it all. i think they're winning it all but, in the off chance that they dont, yea i dont think his stats are such large outliers that they would give it to a player on the losing team

Lowkey this is Bill already imagining the Celts one-upping the Lakers again. lol

no he ouldn't

Can he do that and win the series now they’re up 3-2?

He ould but would take something special. 1)Have to play a team super balanced and equal (no clear stars). Any member can be replaced with another member of the team. 2) the losing team MVP has to be so obvious. Where like people applaud the loser.

Bill “bloody boi” Simmons

a player won Finals MVP on a losing team once, the very first time they awarded it, and he's vocally hated it ever since. the nba is never doing it again, and i wish they'd make it a codified thing for the award that it's for the "most important player on the winning team" so we could stop talking about it

I disagree that the word valuable insinuates a certain standard of team success. The term valuable indicates value. That's it. With baseball, it isn't possible for one guy to help his team win a ton of games. You can only do so much with the opportunities you are given. Unless you hit a homer every time up, then how could it even be possible to single-handedly carry your team to success? And with basketball, valuable still means value. And value is pretty self-explanatory. If you removed that guy from his team and replaced him with an incredibly average player, how much worse does the team become? Furthermore, if you replaced an incredibly average player on a different team with an incredibly valuable player (Steph, for example), how much better do they become? To me, that's how you define individual player value in team sports. Besides, it works the other way around. If a guy like Trout is the reason they Angels win 81 games instead of 67 games (14 game difference), and a dude like Mookie is the reason the Dodgers win 110 games instead of 102 games (8 game difference), then Trout would still be the more valuable player, regardless of his TEAM's ability to win games.

Ever since bill Put up that video a week ago how the warriors blow a title window after Celtics were up 2-1its a different series that being said still going 7 but looks like maybe jus maybe bill jinxed his Celtic faithful lol 😂

1974 Kareem & 2015 Lebron Before Curry

Jaylen brown for FMVP win or LOSE!

Maybe it's just my age,but does anyone else feel like the 15' Finals were just like 2 years ago?

Let’s say the series ended now… who would you give the award to? Great as the Celtics are as a team…. I do not see an individual” player whom I would I would say…. Yeah, he is the guy… 10 years from now we will still remember his performance in this series. Otoh, suppose GSW lose the series… people will remember how great he was even though they lost the series People have been asking…. Where is the spectacular performance in a critical moment? Now we have that moment. All that remains is the lack of a finals mvp… even though we know he shoulda had one

they be talking about this like the Warriors lost already like wtf

Using my statistical method to determine finals MVP Using the best player has been finals MVP each of the last 10 years except for 2015, where I had 1. Curry (22.7), 2. LeBron (20.2), 3. Iguodala (19.4) , but all were close enough that Iguodala could have an argument involving clutchness. Right now, Steph has a huge lead in the race for best player in the finals: Score: 1. Steph: 107 (26.7 per game) 2. Brown: 69 (17.3) 3. Timelord: 67: (16.7) 4. Tatum: 61 (15.2) 5. Looney: 61 (15.2) 6. Wiggins: 59 (14.6) 7. Horford: 55 (13.8) For Brown to close that 38 gap in three games he'd have to be 13 better in each of the next three games or 19 in two. An alternative method to determine is to only count the score in wins. That would set the bar lower for a Celtic to win since if they win in 6 they'd just have to be 50% of Curry or 75% of Curry if they win in 7 Here's the leaderboard for score in wins: 1. Steph: 64.8 2. Brown 51.5 3. Horford: 48.5 4. Looney: 45.6 5. Smart: 42.8 6. Timelord: 42.3 7. Tatum: 37.2 8. Wiggins: 32.7 So if Celtics win game 5, that would likely put Brown back at 1 and potentially Horford or Tatum above Curry.

I don’t believe a losing player should win Finals MVP. I’m a dubs fan and I absolutely love Steph but I know he wouldn’t want to win it if it meant losing the championship.

No give it to the winning team guy. If you didnt give it to Lebron in 2015 why now. Also how the ppl who voted for him unanimous wouldnt also give it to him in the finals makes no sense to me.

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I think he ould

LeBron also got screwed over by 1 Boston writer.

Yes, but as a player I'm sure he'd hate it. Plus all of the fake outrage by media pundits when having the legacy conversation would knock him out of all "top 10 all time" conversations because they gave him an award when he didn't win a title.

Finals MVP means the most valuable player ON THE WINNING TEAM because if your team wins and you played the best on your team- you’re the MVP. It’s not a Best Player Award, it’s a Most VALUABLE Player

I ould take him

FMVP is neck and neck between Jayle Brown and Curry right so no way in hell Curry gets it if the Celtics win. Celtics get swept this series if it wasn't for Brown.

I mean. Andre Iguodala has a finals MVP because LeBron deserved it but they didnt want to give it to a losing player. I think a goalie in hockey who legit almost steals a title from a superior team is a scenario it's acceptable.

For the life of me I understand the spotify money changes things but why not drop full video on spotify these clips with only audio follow ups are keeping your subscribers down I'm sure. Smh

If Steph goes for over 60 in a lost in game 7 he would get fmvp.

No way, he'd have to average 42+ for the rest of the series. He's not playing better than 2018 Bron did.

Just give it to someone on the winning team. I don't think any losing player actually wants that award anyway.

NOOOOOO! Love Steph but they set a bad precedent by giving West MVP on a loss

If Warriors lost, MVP of this series will definitely be...Iguodala.

if Bron didn't win it in 15 it's just not gonna happen

Call it the BEST PLAYER OF THE SEASON EVEN DESPITE BEING IN A CRAPPY TEAM AWARD

I don’t get why splits matter. I don’t get why LeBron is so revered in a series in which he shot 38%.

If Lebron didn’t in 2015, then no.

The Igoudala Finals MVP was terrible and it was a way for the media to vote for LeBron indirectly.

you need to win

If he ould he ould

I don’t know, OULD HE?? Lol

Can we all agree Bill needs to have his dad on a podcast.

Seems like a reach to say he ould

No

All these people didn’t think a losing player could win finals MVP when it was lebron who should of won it

Ouldnt be the raziest thing we have seen.

he definitely ould

*could

BS with the continued Kobe hate on the pod saying Pau deserved the Finals MVP in 2010 🤦🏽‍♂️ every chance he gets he sneak disses his legacy

If LeBron in 2015 doesn't win it then I don't see how Steph gets this one.. Not only was LeBron unreal, but nobody on Golden State really stood out (Iggy is arguably the worst finals MVP in NBA history) In this finals, Steph is amazing, but Brown, and maybe even Tatum's numbers will be too good for Steph to walk away with it.

Last losing player who was best player in series: 2011 Wade however that was in a 6 game loss.

Well their not going to lose anymore

LeBron COULD have won FMVP in 15..but he shot just 40% from the field that series..yes he avg 36 and 13 and Curry had 26-6-5 on 45%. Curry really should have had that 2015 FMVP if we refuse to give it to Bron

if Lebron didnt win when he single handedly took warriors to 6 games in 2015 then Thats a no for Steph