Oh look, I found the oopsie doopsie net, it catches all the comments about oversights and math errors I may have made. And before you take this super seriously, know that I didn't.

The terrarian holding 9999 fallen stars in one inventory slot:

The Terrarian and Steve: *Holds billions of pounds of gold and run around at full speed* Beginning game: *killed by Zombie*

Dont fear the creature, that has mastered its 3D surroundings Fear the one, that has been inprisoned in 2D for ages

Steve watching the terrarian kill a whole ass eldritch horror:

I always interpreted Terraria's 2D nature as an artistic depiction of the world for the sake of the game rather than actually being 2D in universe, as such each block would be 2 x 2 x 2ft significantly changing the strength calculations

"the only hostile mob the two games share is the zombie." What about skeletons, spiders and slimes?

tbf this video went from. "with as less assumptions as possible" to "how many hypotheticals does it take for steve to atleast stalemate"

Zenith ignores invulnerability frames ...and potions/arrows of harming ignore armor.

Terraria's 2D plane is artistic only, since we have non-static backgrounds, working doors, the Moonlord, and walls

Calculating the gold bars with paper thickness is so bizarre lmao Why wouldn't you just consider the width of the block to be the same as its height in 2 dimensions?

"Also try Terraria" 🤝 "Also try Minecraft"

"We don't have golden blocks in Terraria" Golden bricks: guess I don't exist

Steve grabs unbreaking elytra, density V mace, loads of firework rockets, and a totem of undying. He flies as far as he can upwards and crashes back down on to the earth with the full might of the mace. He misses the hit and the terrarian instantly filets him with the Zenith

This video was a really bad effective argument but a fun equivalent of the kind of argument you’d have with your friend over xbox voice chat at 3am

Everyone debating whether Steve or the Terrarian would win Me: Thinking how many universes they would conquer when working together

Throarbin: "we have reached a stalemate" Me: if steve could use potions why cant the terrarian? Terrarian: *Chugs thorns potion* Steve: *Dies*

Both could still beat Goku though.

if its a naked hand fight steve wins because the terrarian doesn't know how to punch

This debate is basically what if a medieval knight fought a warhammer dreadnought

"10% more damage" while comparing zombies is bs. 20% is double of 10%.

My main problem with the first part is that the terrarian world DOES exist on a 3d plain, we just view it as 2d, since the background and wall layers exist, i would have used the same rules from the minecraft calculations, where a block in terraria is a cube with every side being the same

OBJECTION: the dryad becomes 3D when going to the world of dungeon defenders 2, and the tavernkeep and old ones army becomes 2D when going to terraria, so it stands to reason that the terrarian would become 3D or steve would become 2D when going to a setting where they would fight

The Zenith from terraria ignores immunity frames 🙂

Terraria is 3D, just viewed in 2D. There's literally backgrounds and walls and the sun in the BACK. Plus canonically it's 3D

The showdown between Minecraft Steve and the Terraria player would be legendary!

Both of them: **gains FULL power** Steve: “it’s so sad Steve Jobs died of ligma” Terrarian: “who the hell is Steve Jobs?” Steve: “ligma ballz” **evaporation of the terrarian**

If these two met... I think they would be friends

Steve: *jumps one meter high* Terrarian: *jumps three times his own height* Hmm, yes, the gravitational force appears to be the same

bro making the gold the thickness of a sheet of paper, like bruh

Sure would suck if there is a literal lightsaber as a WEAK weapon in one of the games-

Terrarian wins hands down but what these glazers are not realizing is that TERRARIAN SPAWNS WITH TOOLS. No prep time and he still wins.

By just examining the gold bar you could find that the terraria world isn’t paper thin cause it’s multiple times as long as it is wide and it’s shown when placed to be a full block wide

The gold math done for terrarian is killing me, the terraria world is canonically 3D, we just view it from a 2D perspective Edit: also I think that overall the math and comparisons could be done much better Edit 2: btw since this comment got so popular, I’m gonna say this just in case, no hate to throarbin or anyone else in the replies please and thank you.

Minecraft Steve: totems, strong armor, fought a dragon Terrarian: Fought gods, Domain Expansion: Glass Prism

Im sorry, i was curious when I started this video, but it just feels agressively poorly researched...

<a href="#" class="seekto" data-time="772">12:52</a> that's not how percentages work. if a zombie hits for 10% of a terrarians health, and for 20% of steves health, that means that minecraft's zombies hit twice as hard (not 10 percent harder) as terraria's.

Just because terraria is a 2d game doesn’t mean it’s a 2d universe. Otherwise there wouldn’t be a background/walls/furniture etc… Or do you think super Mario magically world hopped from a 2d universe to a 3d one?

Minecraft shield can deflect anything. Idk tho, I’m not an expert.

Terrarian isn’t even 2D, this is easily contradicted by lore and official art 😭

when you just realise that terraria summon class summon unkill-able beasts that will auto track you

one point you forgot, terraria has nukes.

<a href="#" class="seekto" data-time="63">1:03</a> "Who would be the one coming out on top?" Not the alley, that's for sure

I always imagined it as: Terrarian is the smart one, using a passive form of magic to store their countless wares and tank hits and preform feats that shouldn't be humanly possible. Steve is just a brute that uses raw physical strength for all that, hence why he can't hold as much stuff yet can punch a Zombie to death and break nearly any material with his bare hands, while the Terrarian absolutely needs tools.

I think instead Steve and the Terrarian would make out passionately

people might say "minecraft steve is stronger" and others might say "the terrarian SOLOES" but we all know that both of them are really close digital friends

Minecraft: also try terraria Terraria: also try minecraft

"terraria is a 2d space" the moon lord:

with the logic you’re using to count the safe, avengers forge, and piggy bank you should be counting the ender chest for steve, as steve always accesses the same inventory through ender chests, even if he breaks one

Both can hold ungodly amounts of weight without affecting the world around them. But only the Terrarian has weapons that bypass invincibility frames.

counting piggy banks and safes but not counting ender chests is devious also, if the terrarian can use the zenith, steve should AT LEAST be able to use a multishot firework crossbow (one in each hotbar slot, preloaded)

I dont think the world size of terraria changes the actualy "planet". It seems pretty heavily implied that the world we play in is only an island on a planet, so world size would only change the size of that island

I like how he used noraml

Since he added explosion damage, we can reasonably say the celebration mk.2 can be used to kill steve. so steve gets clapped

"No assumptions in this video" Bro proceeds to make Terraria literally flat despite knowing the blocks are 2 feet in all directions and it would be making no sense whatsoever, just for the sake to lower the Terrarians sheer power and make the video less 1-dimensional. Ironic.

When you remember that the Platinum coin weighs 348,900,000 MILLION KG and the average terrarian has around 50 of those after beating moon lord

steve uses a batman mod and terrarian uses a batman mod whoever gets 1 more second of prep time wins simple as that 🍷🗿

To give the Terrarian more credit, promotional art like the console sleeve cover shows the world is 3D, so what if we assume each ore is a 2x2x2' cube?

look at the background of terraria, its completely 3D, the terrarian lives in a 3d world but chooses to stay in 2d, *hes holding back*

“Show me a good time, steve!” Type of thumbnail

Zenith ignores immunity frames

The intro music is Spaced Out by Salvati from the Spirit Mod OST, and it isn't listed in the description as one of the music sources used

God himself would be praying that neither of them die out of sheer fear.

Man you nerfed the Terrarian to hell with bizarre and nonsensical logic and the Terrarian still outpaced Steve in almost every way

It's not exactly a peaceful encounter when it's a customary greeting in Minecraft to pour lava over your friend's house

Nah. They'd both die because of their power clashing against eachother.

now a more interesting idea,, who would beat the other game faster or how well will each of them beat

Steve can carry a cow egg, meaning he can carry infinite milk

<a href="#" class="seekto" data-time="407">6:47</a> that's completely inaccurate, the world of Terraria is very clearly three dimensional, otherwise the parallax setting wouldn't exist and there would be no background tiles or actual background to see in the background 🤷🤦

I know people keep counting shulker boxes as the actual weight but I always just assumed it was a pocket dimension inside that had no weight affect on the outside other than the actual weight of the shulker

I think we all knew Steve was toast.

As a Minecraft die-hard fan that's never played Terraria as soon as I heard "Both of these characters at their peak", knowing how immeasurably harder Terraria is than Minecraft, I accepted that Steve was going to lose

Throarbin: were gonna make as less assumptions as possible. Also Throarbon: were gonna assume they are maxed out

Plus if the Terrarian isn't being restricted to one class he could also have one terraprisma or other summon out assuming no summon accessories or buffs.

Steve losses badly because of cosmology difference gameplay wise and lore wise, people doing fictional vs battles really need to learn that...

All the Terrarian would need to do is turn to his side and Steve couldn't see him...

Bro, forgot about the bottomless water, bucket and lava bucket💀

the zenith ignores immunity frames from what i remember

If we are discussing the weapons vs bosses. A max damage sniper in terraria will oneshot the strongest enemy in minecraft, the warden.

this is the ramming an ethernet cable into a phone charging port equivalent of powerscaling

2 cosmic entities clash, the worlds tremble

Its kinda hard to even compare the two cause their games are so different despite being pretty similar. All we can do is compare feats we can’t really know what would happen if they fought on the same playing field.

And this is mostly assuming that the 2d aspect of terraria is how the world's physics work, and isn't just an art medium for the game, otherwise the terrarian would win in all aspects.

Rq, the zenith completely ignores immunity frames, so the 15k dps was accurate

everyone gansta until mojang suddenly realeases infinite inventory.

Nah, Terrarian'd win in a fist fight, since you concluded him being the same thickness as a piece of paper, his hits will apply bleeding and paper cuts

Uhhhhh... The zenith kinda doesn't have immunity frames.....

- In the Education Edition of Minecraft, there's a block called the Material Reducer which can convert Minecraft items into their component elements. It confirms that 1 gold block in Minecraft is 100% pure gold. - Terrasteel calculated that one Platinum Coin weighs around 1,138.8 kilograms, or the weight of a small car, if we count up all its pixels in its various sprites from the Coin Gun and when it's dropped on the ground (unlike other items, coins rotate around when dropped on the ground, meaning that they are 2.5D instead of 2D like most other Terraria items). He has an entire video dedicated to calculating this. However, he also made another video pointing out that you can use 100 copper coins to craft 1 silver coins, 100 silver coins to craft 1 gold coin, and 100 gold coins to craft 1 platinum coin. Aka, 1 platinum coin is equal to 1 million copper coins. Assuming that each platinum coin actually weighs as much as this many copper coins, 1 platinum coin weighs 348.9 million kilograms. And we can put coins in the 4 coin slots as well, as opposed to the items you used for measuring the Terrarian's lifting capacity. Not only does this allow the Terrarian to lift far more than Steve, it also directly translates to attack potency through the Coin Gun. - Full Protection 4 Netherite wouldn't even always give 96% damage reduction, because Armor Toughness exists. It's a mechanic in Minecraft that makes armor block less damage the more damage is being dealt. - Terrarian has the Thorns Potions, which reflects 100% of all melee damage taken by the Terrarian back to the attacker. Given how much more health the Terrarian has over Steve, not to mention Lifeforce Potions which boost the Terrarian's maximum HP to 600, this essentially shuts down all of Steve's melee attacks. Thorns Potions don't work in PvP, but that's only between multiple Terrarians, so I don't see why it wouldn't affect Steve. - The Terrarian's fire explosions from the Solar Flare armor have a limited AoE, so Steve could just use ranged weapons. Heck, we've already established that ranged weapons are his only hope at taking down the Terrarian due to Thorns Potions. - For the 2D Terrarian vs 3D Steve debate, Steve could theoretically have infinite prep time to set up redstone contraptions. He could just place down a thousand TNT around the Terrarian and explode them all at once, or something. However, the Terrarian could just fly up past Steve's block placement limit, and then stay there indefinitely using Gravitation Potions or Soaring Insignia + Celestial Starboard, so it's still a draw. - Also for the 2D Terrarian vs 3D Steve debate, you could say that Terrarian wins because Steve will eventually starve. - Steve has the Thorns enchantment, which reflects ALL forms of damage taken, not just melee damage like the Terrarian's thorns effects. However, it only deals around an average of 1.5 hearts of damage per hit. That's not a lot, and Terrarian could pretty easily outheal that. - Steve has Instant Harming Potions and Tipped Arrows of Instant Harming, which ignore defense. However, those potions and their respective Tipped Arrows are affected by gravity. Terrarian could easily dodge them with Celestial Starboard + Soaring Insignia + Rod of Harmony. Even then, percentage based damage reduction like Worm Scarf and Beetle Endurance would still reduce the damage of Instant Harming. - Terrarian can place blocks that Steve can't destroy such as Lizhard bricks while being able to destroy Steve's blocks from afar with Celebration MK 2 with Mini Nuke IIs. He can also place blocks in midair with Ice Rod, unlike Steve. And he can fast-forward time with the Enchanted Sundial/Moondial to skip past the Rain to negate the positive buffs Steve's Trident gets in the rain. - As seen with Piercing enchanted Crossbows, piercing attacks can go right through Minecraft shields. And the Terrarian has tons of piercing weapons. - The world of Terraria is 3D, as seen in the backgrounds that change depending on your biome. In the Forest, you can see mountains and trees in the distance, and in the Crimson, you can see giant eyeballs and skulls jutting out from the landscape. These backgrounds are clearly 3D. However, the Terrarian cannot move into the Z-Axis himself. - Terrarian could use a Hunter Potion to see Steve if Steve uses an Invisibility Potion. - Steve has the Wither debuff which could shut down the Terrarian's HP regen, but no reliable method of inflicting it. Since Potions of Decay and their respective Tipped Arrows are affected by gravity. Terrarian could easily dodge them with Celestial Starboard + Soaring Insignia + Rod of Harmony. He could also fly over Steve's Wither Roses and break the blocks Steve needs to place to summon the Wither from afar with the Celebration MK 2 with Mini Nuke IIs. - Terrarian could pretty easily hit Steve with debuffs such as Betsy's Curse, which reduces defense by 40, Acid Venom, which could deal 30 damage per second to Steve and remove his positive life regen, and Confused, which could reverse Steve's controls. Steve could drink Milk to remove them, but that takes a few precious seconds Terrarian could use to attack, and it would remove his positive buffs as well as his negative ones.

Saw the title, came to say "Yes. Absolutely. No question."

As someone who has played the games for practically their whole life I just quickly like to add 1 or 2 notes: (1 Obviously the Terrarian would win in a war If They both have as much prep time as they need) (2 The reason the Terrarian and Steve Have such drastically different damage and health numbers Isn't because one of them is stronger than the other... But rather because they're balanced in different ways... Steve uses the lower number Way meaning each hit *technically* hits a lot harder (Meaning the larger number are more impressive) While the Terrarian Goes for the higher number approach (Meaning each hit doesn't look as impressive But the numbers can get a lot larger without it being overwhelming) So if you really wanted to calculate who is stronger You'd need to calculate what their base starting health is compared to each other and look from there (the Terrarian has (100) While Steve has (20) ) ) But like you said they would never fight In fact I imagine it would be great friends and team up if they got the chance

It should also be mentioned that Canonically, Terraria exists in a 3D universe. We just perceive it in 2D. That statement was made by Red.

"I tip my hat to you, one legend to another"

Terraria has fallen stars, and stars are kinda heavy

I disagree with the calculation of the weight of gold for terraria, because we should assume that each block in terraria is a cube not a thin sheet just like in Minecraft so your .67 meters would be cube which would make them much more even. We should've also assumed they where both in the same dimension and equipped with the best for both damage and defense as well as ALL potions and external effects like beacon buffs and dryads blessing respectively in which case would make the battle over in quite literally less than a second as the Terrarian vs Steve both at maximum power would end with Steve groveling like the dog he is while the Terrarian according to lore can move beyond lightspeed which also has the strength to kill gods, so in short the Terrarian solos Minecraft verse period.

Bro literally made the most assumptions possible

I think cube gold ore in Terraria would make more sense but that's still only 118,260,175 lbs which is still 25x less than Minecraft

i feel like it should've been noted the terraria cover art depicts the terrarian in a more 3d enviorment than what we see ingame

I wish I could attack the Cthulhu spiders that have blood dripping from their eyes that watch me from the 4th dimension that I can’t see.

I wouldn’t compare who would win between the two, but rather, who could beat both of them if they were on a team