Here's where I will disagree with you Nathaniel. If the show HADN'T attempted this story, we wouldn't be having this discussion. And regardless of whether or not we think "Rosa" succeeded, I think the discussion is important and useful.

I don't think that the show was saying that "black president yay racism is over " I think they are saying that it gets better to a point that a black president is a possibility .

Rosa provoked a really healthy conversation between me and my kids and between them and their school friends. One of them is 7. She hasn’t formulated a fully fledged set of views yet, but the show lit a spark. And that is healthy. And I am grateful.

I only just watched this episode a couple hours ago and I don’t remember exact wording but I remember it being emphasized a few different times that racism isn’t over in the future, only better. I do remember Ryan saying that, “Things will get better. Not perfect, but better.”

Nathan, I am a 72 year old member of your council. Thank you for reminding all of us as to why this time we are living in is so toxic. I don’t think many people really internalize that from day to day. I am a white straight woman who lived in Arizona as a teenager and lived in Georgia as a young married woman. It was the 60’s. I had forgotten how incredibly dangerous it was , and this episode of Doctor Who reminded me, l think fairly forcefully actually BECAUSE the four of them had to stay quiet and not help Rosa in her moment of quiet defiance so that her heroism could shine as a beacon for the future. It doesn’t change the fact that I sat with black friends at lunch counters where, because their skin was brown, none of us were served - or for that matter safe! It doesn’t mean that good people all over this country were not then, nor are not now, screaming in rage at the mortifyingly horrific casual droppings of bile coming from our present government; Both the man at the helm and those in a position of power who do nothing to stop him. Please know that there are many, many of us ready to take to the barricades if necessary for you and yours in your hour of need. Just as we turned out in our thousands for the kids who led the movement to make Americans aware of the horrors of gun violence recently. Or the people leading the charge in the “Me too” movement. What Rosa showed us is the power of one gentle, defiant woman. I am glad the Doctor knew she shouldn’t change that. I am also glad she knew enough to recognize that some of her companions were considerably less safe than she was herself in that situation, Not because of monsters from outer space but because of demons in the human soul. These are scary times, Nathan, and I’m not sure how they will turn out, but know that you are not alone. And, if The Doctor represents anything, she represents That: The quiet presence at our side in any of our hour of need who recognizes our strength and gives us the freedom to be hero’s.

But they didn't glamourize standing on the side-lines, they didn't make it seem good or appealing in anyway. The effect this had on me was thinking how I would have fought with Rosa in that moment, how I want to fight with others who are making a stand.This show was set in the past and that's where "standing on the side-line" belongs.EDIT: The part where they mentioned Obama was at the same time as Ryan and Yaz saying racism still happens, they just mean we shouldn't ignore progress. Just because something isn't perfect doesn't make it not worth trying , that stands for all human rights movements and this episode. It made people/kids do research and ask questions.I feel sad that you have such a negative view point.

I think that in the scene, the whole not helping thing was not about that, it was about allowing Rosa to stand up for herself and allowing her to make that choice independently (and doesn’t know the impact of her actions). It shows that you can’t tell what your actions will do, so if anything it encourages people to fight for what they believe in (whether they are the oppressed class or not)

Well if you look at it in that one scene, yeah they just did nothing and just let history take its course. But the bigger picture is that the whole story was about them doing their best to help rosa parks do what she was ment to do. But they can't directly fight the bus driver on rosa's behalf. It has to be her to have to do what needs to be done. So what i got from that scene is that the people that support you will do all they can to help you but it is you who must be the one to make the change because you are the one who can. Idk if that's applicable today, but i like that lesson

I understand your point, and it's a very good point. However, your reading is different from mine. I think the TARDIS team did stand up and do something - they stood alongside Rosa Parks. They took two days of planning and running about to make sure history was unchanged. And then they sat by and let Parks create that history by herself. As you say, they gave her agency. I think the point is you don't always have to be a vocal supporter with a placard or megaphone. Doing nothing, like not standing up, can be just as good a protest as being a loud voice. Just look at the impact Colin Kaepernick had just for silently taking a knee (which has been detrimental to his career). I feel that was the point.

It's been fascinating listening to your views on this episode - which I personally really enjoyed and consider the best yet of series 11. Many of the response comments already reflect my take on why the Tardis team couldn't interfere overtly, which I felt was a brilliant and thought-provoking moment. Within the constraints of silly-old Doctor Who, the programme makers have got many many people talking about the issue of racism - both as it was then and, crucially, now. Yes, it can only scratch the surface of a huge topic, but surely better that than playing things safe by steering clear of difficult subject matter? Remember, this programme is pitched at many levels, but a huge part of its audience is children. How wonderful then, that this issue was raised, for them to consider and witness how important taking a stand is, when you know something is wrong. The co-author of the piece, Malorie Blackman, is a brilliant writer, renowned in the UK for pushing people's buttons, and getting them to think. Which - and the reason I write - is what YOUR contribution here, has done for me today. While your perspective on the episode is clearly very different, it's obviously heartfelt. I felt compelled to write to say thanks for your honesty, and for sharing so much in this video that is so personal to you. In doing so, you've made me aware of a situation that I hadn't known anything about in America, which I find shocking, and which I sincerely hope does not come to pass. This is the first of your videos (that I've seen, anyway) where your trademark hat comes off! It might be back on next time, but things will never be the same again. And good on you for having the courage to do that! I found myself completely engrossed, watching and listening, as you open your heart. I wish I was there in person, to shake your hand, and to say you are NOT alone. Stay strong and true my friend.

This is honourable of you to admit your change in opinion. On your first point, I think it's being read into too much. They make it clear that racism hasn't ended, and it's pretty clear that Krasko is evidence of this. While they didn't put enough effort into this, but they were essentially saying it's got better, that the entire USA has managed to have the change of heart to elect a black president. That doesn't necessarily demonstrate that racism is over at all, at least for me anyway. On your second point, while I understand what you are saying, I think it's really important that 13 did not start the civil rights movement. It was a black woman who sparked the fire and revolutionised America, not a time traveler. That's why they said they could not intervene. Because that was the most significant moment that Rosa parks ever had, and if they took that away from her, she would be just a vessel for the movement starting, rather than standing up for herself. If they'd said afterwards that they have to continue to help them, it would've seemed really patronising. However, I understand you, I really do, and I think your point is valid. But in my opinion they've balanced the level of context fairly well. I don't think it really has a massive effect on this, and while it could subtextually demonstrate that the ones who aren't affected can't fight, it's a fairly laboured way of getting that subtext across, and there isn't any way that one could justify themself not doing anything through it. But it's complicated, and the episode is possibly not getting the right message across at all. I loved this episode but you are possibly right, this maybe shouldn't have been written right now. And I hope you're okay.

I am sorry. But I cannot agree. Ryan and Yaz make it very clear that things are better, but Yaz, a police officer, makes it clear she has to deal with racism. They go to great lengths to try and underline that things are BETTER not fixed. Also, it is limited what 2 British people on a British show can say about life in contemporary USA without preaching, but just because it's an American story doesn't mean there is no impact on the rest of the world. Also, if they can't take part and can't stand by what can they do? Plus I feel that using time travel means you have to reconsider the context of actions. It's not that they have to help themselves, it's that they DID help themselves. I also dislike the idea that certain types of shoe are unfit to address certain issues. Genre getoisation is never helpful. As for current affairs, take Mrs Parks' example and stand, or sit, when it is just. Take the example of the rest of Montgomery, stand with those you care about.

I think what this episode did was start the conversation, especially in those who didn't know what happened. And I hope that it will lead to us not accepting anything even remotely like it ever again and that we stand up for all those who are repressed now and in the future. I think that because we saw that the Doctor and Co didn't/couldn't interfere that we as a society will interfere because we'll not be changing history, we'll be creating it.

I think you took the scene regarding yaz about Obama the wrong way. She is saying how we have progressed in culture as a species. There is no implications of racism ending as the whole episode has made the point that even in the future there is racism, it's just showing how things do get better. And also with the last scene it makes the point that it is wrong not to dismiss minorities under oppression. I completely understand where your coming from and respect your opinion. I feel that this episode will find better praise over time much like Vincent and the doctor did.

I don't agree with everything you say in this video, but I still gave it a like because it was a fair reading and you were very respectful in your opinions even though sometimes doctor who reviews on youtube are seem like people all just aggressively shouting at each other in quasi-intellectual language, so thank you for always keeping your videos and arguments calm and understanding.

They never stated that after Obama racism was over. Yas was simply saying that things are slowly changing with time. She can be a cop now, wheras 50 years ago that would be unthinkable. Things are getting better and certainly are better than they were at that time. You said it yourself that quoting Trump would have been dumb... they didn't, and at the same time they certainly did not say that after that "the battle was over" somehow. To me that was a really tasteful scene. Also... the scene were they just watch Rosa in the bus... it really couldn't have been done any other way. If they did something, things would have gone differently in the future and they would have ended up messing up with hystory, the very thing they were trying to prevent. I really don't get what you wanted them to do in this situation. To me this was a really fair reenactment of an important moment in american history. Now... yes, I may talk as a white Italian straight man that certainly cannot even imagine what people from often discriminated races or groups (like the LGBT+ community) have to go through, be it blatant racism or the sad and way too frequent minority-pandering we see today in TV; at the same time though I like to think that you don't need to be "one-of-us" to empathize and feel close to an issue like this. This episode in my opinion shows how much care Chibnall put in every detail of Rosa's story. The name of the bus driver, the bus stops, Rosa's workplace. Everything was extremely precise and not one thing was presented without an extreme attention to details. Now being very precise and historically accurate does not always mean that everything is shown perfectly, but in this case, I think they couldn't have done a better job. This was a more tradionally historical episode of Doctor Who, with little sci-fi and a lot more educational "tendencies", like the very first historical set episodes were back in the 60s. Frankly I'm very happy they decided to put such a hard and heavy subject in one of the first episodes... it shows a lot of character from Chibnall... and I'd rather have them try even more of these kind of episodes in the future, instead of leaving the "way too complex" issues untouched because they're scared of how certain communities will react.

♡ [ Tries to reach through the screen ] ♡ ♡ [ and hug you ] ♡

I loved this episode, truly. But I'm kind of shocked at myself for not seeing this. Especially seeing how emotional you are over said topic. I have A LOT of respect for you Nathaniel. Genuinely from the bottom of my heart, I can see the emotion behind this topic, so coming onto a video and talking about how you feel takes guts and I appreciate seeing that. As did I appreciate your concern not to change anyone's perspectives on the episode or shame anyone for enjoying it. This video shows your true, wonderful colours. Thank You for making this video

I think they built up all along that they knew Rosa's actions, on their own, changed history. It reminds me of video games that put you in the place of inaction to make you think of all the ways you would have helped, would have acted. Not helping is so awkward and painful that the next time you see it you can't help but move, you can't help but make the changes you need to see in the world for everyone around you.

I started typing a detailed argument about some of your specific points, but I decided not to, because I think that's far less important than your bigger point about wanting people to actively support LGBTQ+ people. Whether or not I disagree with your assessment of the episode, and why, just doesn't seem to matter that much now.

I see the bus scene as 13's Pompeii. Something she has to do but doesn't want to do. I would like to see Graham be affected by this in future episodes. He was forced to be on the racist side despite not wanting any part in it and married a woman who considered Rosa Parks her personal icon. If there is splash back on the Doctor for this in future episodes, then I will like it even more. Graham is already not fully on board with the Doctor and what she does. Even out of context, how else could they have done this? The decision needed to be Rosa's. Any hint from the Tardis crew and it is them influencing her, not fully her choice. If they helped Rosa, would the world be in the place it has progressed too and I'm not just talking about the US. Things are changing all over the world and Rosa Parks was one of the sparks that has helped that happen.

Personally, I think you completely misinterpreted the discussion between Yaz and Ryan. When Yaz says that 50 years later a black man is elected president, she describes it as "proper change" which it is. But she, and by virtue the show and its writers, in no way insinuates that that definitively stopped racism but just in that it was a step forward. This episode represented change for what it actually is, so many people and pieces of media are so quick to either say that either things have been completely eradicated and that racism no longer exists or that nothing's changed at all when in reality, things have but, again, that doesn't mean that all those issues are just gone. The episode, to me, represented change as constant. Nothing ever just goes away at the mark of one stroke, it takes so much more lines and details and time to fully paint a picture of a "perfect world", the likes of which will never be finished and the episode, again, acknowledges this. The villain themselves, from my own point of view, was a walking manifestation of the fact that racism will never end. It will always be around in some manner as are all things. Everything that's ever been with us is with us now and will more than likely be forever but that doesn't mean that things don't get better. Nowadays, to call someone a racist is to insult a person which is in itself a form of proper change. The idea that we use this term to define someone who is wrong is important but again, that doesn't mean to say that racism doesn't exist but only that it is actively being fought against everyday, even in the littelest of ways; like refusing to give your seat on a bus. This is all, of course, just my opinion. Trump is... He's a thing, alright, and the likes of that which he's trying to do are disgusting and I wholeheartedly feel for all affected. All I can say is that I'm sorry and that I hope that this fights won before the next needs starting. As always, your videos and your commentary are awesome. I so rarely comment on your videos but here I just felt the need because of how much I not only adored this episode but because of how angry Trump's actions have made me. But with all that said, thank-you. Thank-you for producing all that you do and remember that if a fights worth fighting then by God, fight! No matter the odds.

First of all the love and support for you and this fight is for all of us. I do disagree with your main points on the episode 1. Yaz’s full line is “50 years from now they’ll have black President and who knows where they’ll be in another 50 years” the final part recognizing that there is still more to go ( and the villain is literal future racism) 2. In the final scene they are less passive in the fight than your thinking as their presence is part what makes it work therefore helping Rosa fight in the way she chooses. In this case it meant just sitting in the bus, but would attending rallies, sit ins, following boycotts be any different. Yes the oppressed should not stand alone but they should also be the ones taking the lead ensuring that it is there voice being heard and that the message is clear.

I've tried to leave my politics at the door online for a long while now. I guess its because I come to the internet to escape from harsh reality - y'know, its easier to bitch about a TV show than something serious and heavy. I am increasingly thinking that's been the easy route though, given just how downright sinister things are getting on the trump front. If you feel the need to speak up about political issues then do it :) (also love the hair)

I don't see the implication that you are suggesting at all. The team wanted to help Rosa, and it broke their hearts not to. If they were allowed to they would have helped. But they couldn't, because they know thats not what happens, and all their work would have been for nothing if they did.

But... but you're not allowed to change your mind on the internet! This is the *_Internet!_* Jokes aside, I fully respect your opinion. You're entitled to it, and no-one can change it for you. Everyone needs a soapbox to stand on once in a while, and it's not even about convincing other people all the time; you should be allowed to vent, and we're here with you. I think you're incredibly brave to address these things in the ways that you do (and impressed that you can do so in one take and say what you need to without veering off-topic frequently), and we, The Council, are right by your side.

Wow, dude. I’ve been watching your videos for about a month now and eagerly awaiting the new ones as they’ve been posted. And I want to say that what you’ve done with this video took incredible courage. You stood up for what you believe and delivered your thoughts to us with dignity, eloquence, and grace. Well done. From one geek to another, I stand with you and yours.

I really like your hair . You should show it more . It's actually pretty cool . I enjoy listening to you. You are so eloquent .

I was someone who loved the episode, and the way they reminded us that racism still exists, and that Rosa’s actions and accomplishments were entirely her own, while also understanding that it was not perfect (but as you say, is it possible for an episode like this to be?) But I so appreciate you sharing a perspective I had not considered myself. I absolutely get the frustration of the silent, invisible ‘ally’, those that share cute quotes on Instagram or add a filter to their profile picture, but who don’t actually show up for the hard moments... and I hadn’t really seen this episode in that way, so thank you for adding the conversation in such a thoughtful way. Take care x

I think the show did well in depicting racism. I think the show did it's best given that this topic is heavy. I disagree with that it would have been better if they hadn't tackled it because it's something that needs to be talked about. Silence is not an option. I think shows should deal with heavy topics even if they fall short. The little bit that they do is important because it's a voice. A history lesson and helps people understand. It's at it's core about representation. I empathize with your feelings about wanting someone to stand up for you but in a way I think it's what the show was doing. In the Trump era it's important for shows like doctor who to remind us where we've come from . How hard people have fought and where we can possibly go back if we allow governments to create repressive laws . And more importantly it reminds us that we cannot tolerate oppressive behaviors from society, from ordinary people. Also you need to vote in the mid-terms guys that's where you fight. I hope you will be okay . Sending love and light from South Africa

You have voiced my thoughts exactly, on all of the issues you raised. You are an honest and sincere person and I have tremendous respect for you

Commentary like this is exactly why I subscribed. Thanks for putting in to words some of the things that subconsciously went through my mind while watching this episode. I think it’s completely valid to realize that not everything was perfect about this episode, and to note that while the show had good intentions, this is just a difficult topic to address in exactly the right way and they couldn’t have known every implication that the story they were telling would present. Excellent job, and keep making such insightful videos.

This type of story was meant to create discussions between families. Progress has been made but as the Trump Administration's announcement has indicated, we have a very long way to go. Human rights matter. Our dignity, our lives, our liberties, our rights matter. I pray that the Civil rights of the LGBTQ community become consistently and absolutely protected and valued. You are loved, you are valued, and you have my complete support. As a person of color, I've seen and experienced a lot. I cannot go quietly into that good night. I will do what I can to help.

I can't stand ppl claiming shows and commentators to get "too political" like dafaq, political issues are human issues; if you get upset and/or annoyed by them, you must have lost your sense for empathy Claiming that something is getting too political is the same as calling something too human

How long did it take for you to grow out your hair. I’m doing the same and wanted some advice

I have to disagree here. Number one, whilst not necessarily in that scene, the whole theme in that episode is it gets better, not perfect, but better. And actions like Rosa's help things get better. Number two. I totally see where you're coming from. And absolutely it's not up to the oppressed to fight alone, but it's about saying in that moment when Rosa makes her stand, they cannot take her voice away. Stepping in and helping in that moment would ruin everything. They wouldn't be fighting by her side, they would be taking her voice. There are times for people to help, and we see Graham wanting to, but part of helping is letting people have their voice. In a way, by preserving history, they are giving her the megaphone and letting her speak. They try helping and advocating throughout the episode, and it has no effect, and the only thing that does is Rosa herself making a stand. There's time to help and there's time to step aside and let those people stand and speak for themselves.

I watched till the end. I appreciate your voice and viewpoint, even though I am a straight white man. I'm also from New Jersey, so I grew up around a lot of diversity already. I think we all need to listen to each other and find ways to peacefully cohabitate our little blue and white marble. It's the only home we all have, and I'm glad I get to share it with you and your crazy rainbow hair. Geek on, my brother.

Huh. I didn't get that impression at all from that conversation between Yaz and Ryan. Yaz was simply saying that in 53 years, things have improved so much that there can be a black president and who knows how much things will change 50 years after that. She's just a very positive person and she's recognising that things are better now. But, not perfect. They stress many times throughout the episode that things are not perfect, there's still a way to go before things are as they should be. And after watching a number of reaction videos to this episode by people who are clearly aware that racism is still alive and well. The amount of them who were completely shocked and appalled by the depiction of people in the 50's. That proves to me that things have certainly changed. But, I do like that I also showed that even in the far future, there are still people like Krasko around, but I guarantee that his would be one in a million in his time.

This was a very brave video to put up and I admire you for doing it. I don't have much to add as the episode is one I still feel conflicted about for similar reasons and I'm still processing my overall opinion on it. Thanks for making this anyway and I hope you're doing OK.

Just started watching you, thank you for what you do, love you!

If you didn't notice, and I think I might be wrong so don't quote me on it, but I think they were pulled from before the 2016 election. The specific layout KZfaq had in the pilot hasn't been used since 2016. That's why I was assuming. More thoughts in replies to this thread.

One of my favorite additions in recent videos has been your new catchphrase (for lack of a better word; end tag maybe?). But this time, the emotion in your voice, it breaks my heart. I add my digital hug to all of the ones already given in the comments.

Thank you for this vid. Powerful, inspiring and has provoked me to do something. Thank you x

I totally respect conflicting views for this episode. The facts themselves of the civil rights movement were sort of brushed over in the episode. For me it would have taken a couple of lines here and there to fix this. For a start the doctor should have mentioned that Rosa parks wasn’t the only woman involved in bus boycotts, not even the first. And the other thing was the Martin Luther king jr appearance, they could have corrected it to have Martin say “junior, Martin Luther king was my father” but they didn’t, so he’s only referred to as Martin Luther king. But then I’m just a stickler for little facts, it didn’t effect the message and mood of the episode, for me at least

As a fellow member of the LGBT+ community it frightens me to see this sort of thing happening in America. Though there isn’t much I can do as a young Australian I would like to let you know that many of us over here are doing what we can to help and Hope that everything can be resolved in a positive way.

Thank you for this very thoughtful post. I love it and will be sharing it.

I LOVE that you're so compassionate! Thank you for sharing your feelings and sorrows with us. The Internet needs more people like you.

11:08, that's not what she said.....like at all. I realize this is your take but, objectively its.....wrong. 50 years from then she's allowed to pursue a career in law enforcement, a black man can run for President.....and win. Its a HUGE step up from where we were back then. NOWHERE in that statement did she imply that "racism is over", it just didn't happen, I don't understand you logic...if that's even what you would call that.

I think if you wanted more context for racism in the lives of Ryan and Yaz, you need to remember that in the UK American racism is already discussed a lot, to the point people use it against British people of colour a LOT. So a more in depth discussion of American racism and how it continued is not needed anywhere near as much as if it were an American show(I mean your politics and media, history etc are extreme and hard to discuss from within the country, but from outside of the US the idea of your country as being incredibly racist is much more widely discussed imo). So I would say, Doctor Who needs to have some historical episodes which do at least as much as this for BRITISH racism. We really don't need to be criticising everywhere but the country the show is from.

I really respect your views and obvious care for your community. Havent even gotten halfway through the video but needed to say this. Sending all the love to you ❤

thank you for this video. I honestly felt like crying at the end. thank you

This is an interesting perspective and one I hadn’t considered. I think the fact that the characters are so horrified by having to stand by against all their better instincts should make it clear that under normal circumstances it’s not the right thing to do. I agree some may misinterpret this however. Perhaps there should have been a few lines to make this clear. I honestly find your content some of the best on the internet for these sensitive issues. You always make me stop and think.

That’s not how the conversation went though? I really think you should watch that scene again (behind a dumpster btw). EDIT: I like your second point, I didn’t think about this. Thank you. EDIT 2: this may have been resolved by opening the eyes of bystanders and help the Civil Rights movement actively, and see how this could accelerate the positive consequences for the oppressed and society at large. Otherwise, at least actively show how much the ones who do nothing help the systemic oppression that the oppressed face.

You perfectly articulated a POV that is unfamiliar to a great number of people (myself included). That scene hit me wrong and I just could figure out why it was distressing, other than the Doctor just watching. Thank you for sharing. On the bright side, this episode (Rosa and your post) started necessary and overdue conversations.

You opened this video with reservations about whether it was a good idea. Absolutely YES! I’ve always enjoyed your videos because they are well thought through, considered, and thought provoking. This one was no different from that perspective. This was actually a very difficult video to watch, because your emotion was so raw and palpable. But that also elevated it into a “must watch”. Thank you so very much for posting it.

I love that you shared this - as a cis guy in Australia, I absolutely didn't get that reading from the work, but I listen to this kind of review and criticism to hear a wider range of views and opinions than I'd get on my own. Regarding Trump - this nightmare is halfway over now - only 2 more years and then things should get better again - that feels like it's a long time, but it's growing smaller every day, and there are people all around who stand with you, who do call for your rights, even if the people in office right now choose not to listen. Things will get better, even if it doesn't always feel that way.

Nah, completely disagree with that part of non-interference in the end of the episode: other black people also didn't make anything in that scene, so what, does it mean they're not interested in changes? I don't think so. This reading of the scene is TOO deep, imo

I absolutely understand this feeling. I did, at the time, view the episode as a reminder to keep fighting. But you're right. I understand how painful that scene can be viewed as. I'll have to mull this over. Glad you're okay. Hope you have a goo day! x

Much respect, thank you for being so open.

I've been finding the biggest problem with the new series is that it's often boring. It just doesn't keep my interest the way previous Doctor Who has. There's a difference between biological gender and gender identity. You can never really change one's biological nature despite surgery and hormones. But most of the time it's gender identity that's used. If they want to do US history, they should deal with Paul Revere. Do they help the Americans or the British? They could have done much the same story and it would have been interesting for them to deal with the conflict between their patriotism and the need for history to go a certain way.

For me this epidode has it's flaws, but it sparked so many discussions with my friends, changes of opinions, made me think, research, read and google... Only outstanding fiction can do that, I suppose...

I read that scene much differently. For me, it was heartbreaking to see them have to stand by as they were absolutely horrified to not be able to help her and that no one else around them, who could have done something to stop it but stood there and let it all happen. I read the subtext to be a terrifying parallel of how we need to be as horrified as Team Tardis and that when able, we should do something.

Heartfelt episode. Peace, Love & Respect! Oceans of Love :)

I'm saying nothing about the episode. My thought is simply regarding what you said about gender assignment. Who the hell does he think he is to impose that? Now as a British man I know little about American politics. But I understand from what I have seen in TV and movies is that the American Constitution is a big thing and people sweat by it religiously. If it was to be taken at face value then the 1st Amendment coupled with the 9th Amendment should stop this from happening because with the 1st Amendment it is all about Safeguards of Liberty or freedom of choice, be it religion, speech etc. And the 9th Amendment declares that individuals have Fundamental Rights, including the right to make important decisions about their health or their body. I am all about freedom of speech (although I do think some people take gender equality too far, in such as complaining about Kleenex's Mansize tissues and things) but at the fundamental level should we not be allowed to choose? Me? I was born a man. Chosen to remain a man and to love women. If I had chosen to be gay? So what? Had I chosen to be a Muslim? So what? Had I chosen to have my face covered with tattoos? So what? If I chose any of those things that is because I made those choices not because a government is forcing me to do so. Believe me buddy you have a lot more people standing up and fighting for you than you think and we all love you for you. Anyone who has stuck around watching your videos this long still do otherwise they would have gone away after your first big revelation!!!! Keep strong!!!!!!!

Well done on standing up and making this video. I think I both agree and disagree with you at the same time. On both your points I think there is the possibiity of that reading of messages and also things in the wider episode that counter those thoughts. As far as the 'Black President' line is concerned... I had the same thought as you when it's first said, but I think the writers were trying to say - Not 'So racism was over' , but instead 'This would not have happened if not for what Rosa just did.' They make it clear in other scenes that racism is not solved. Also, the 'We have to not help her' line... Clearly the TARDIS crew HAVE been helping for the whole episode up to that point, so it's clear the Doctor doesn't mean 'We can't help at all.' Further more it's important to note that one of the writers of this episode is black (and female) herself. If only white writers had been involved your points would have had greater weight. I agree that we do all have to stand together to counter those that would oppress minorities... but sometimes the voice has to be that of the minorty itself or it's patronising.

Nathaniel, you have my undying respect. Your thoughts, regardless of what I feel about them, are so interesting and insightful. Although my own view on the episode hasn't changed much, I think your remarks on allegorical storytelling are intriguing and have a lot of validity. Thank you very much for your honest opinion, its brilliant to have seen your thoughts develop since your original review. I cannot commend you enough for sharing these kinds of things on an emotional level. Take care :)

I appreciate your honesty and opening your heart out to us. Very well said.

i think i may have been a person who said we didn't get an explanation for the villain's racism and ur totally right. There didn't need to be an explanation for it, I think I was just really thrown off that racism continued to exist in a far off future society and I suppose I always thought this awful problem in our society would be resolved...But, that's such an optimist outlook on the world. As a society, we can go backwards (we shouldn't) but we can and we have and that's really sad.. also maybe my confusion led to 'but why here?! of all places!!' but, as the villain said, just knocking a small moment can throw off the rest of history (butterfly effect i guess). But, yeah, u changed my mind on the villain haha i still feel there was something off about him for me personally and I haven't cracked what that is yet.. but it's not crucial for me to figure that out In regards to ur later criticism, I definitely see what ur saying even tho I didn't notice it on my own when I watched the episode. I love that they wrote Rosa to make her own choice in that moment and it felt very sad but powerful to me, but since I'm not part of ur community, I didn't see or understand that point of silently supporting someone is not helpful, and it achieves nothing. I don't want to sound patronising in my response as I completely agree with what u said and that the show accidentally(?) made that message so I will stop typing (after reading C Scott Davis' comment I just quickly wanted to add that I typed this up as I watched the video because I wanted to respond to ur first criticism and I think I definitely did comment that we never got a reason for the villain's racism and I wanted to address that and this video was very sensitive so I hope I don't come across as arrogant or rude. Sorry for such a long and weak comment)

Even though the message was too heavy handed, the sequence of Rosa being arrested absolutely crushed me

This was a really good point. We're at a point where inaction is a vote for the oppressive status quo. I wonder if they couldn't have expanded a little on Graham's subplot to address this a bit better. You could see the pain in his eyes when he realizes that he'd have to be a willing spectator to the injustice that was about to happen. Maybe that was the point they were trying to get at is that it's important not to avert your gaze to injustice in what happens. But we're past that now. What we need is people to be proactive in standing up against injustice. As you mentioned, they couldn't have had the Doctor actually intervene and change Rosa's historic action. But they could have had a heart-to-heart discussion afterwards about how not intervening was the wrong thing to do.

Watched your video with interest. I’m a pretty new subscriber but your reviews and opinions are always fair and balanced and with Doctor who it’s clear you’re a fan. I totally get using sci fi to tell a story, which I think Doctor Who has done many times over the years. I didn’t see what you said until you said it and it’s clear. What I firstly need to say is your video was full of personal honesty and you’re coming from the right place. I totally respect you for your comments and while you’re “just” the chairperson of the council... you are indeed the heart and soul.

I agree with most of what you say but it isn't up to a British show to enlighten Americans. I believe they see people standing by and watching what's happening in America, that's my interpretation of the bystander scene. Please know that many of us outside of the state's support the struggle and hope that reason prevails.

Thank you for making this video and sharing your point of view. I am so sorry the world s full of hateful people, and I hate that I can't kick everyone's ass who think they have the right to put people into boxes only defined by them. I know I'm just one person over the internet, but you are not standing alone. Lots of love from Finland.

I had not thought of it from that direction but I can grok what you are saying. I am not sure i totally agree but i can get what you are saying and i think i might have to step back and think about it. It's a valid point that you have though.

I’ve tried writing this comment 3 times now but each times I’ve failed to get across what I want to say. Thank you for making both of these videos on the Rosa episode. Your first review made me feel compelled to watch doctor who for the first time in years, and this video helped me decide how I feel about the attempts to make the show much more diverse. Like I know everyone’s already formed their opinions on the show by now, but I can confidently say this video of yours helped me form mine. Thank you for opening up about this :)

am I wrong I thought they were defining biological sex, which is not gender as defined by the LGBQT and the various courses on the matter. That said either way if I'm wrong or not you make a good point about sex change which I hadn't considered. regardless I've heard various opinions from LGBQT youtubers such as prince who have interesting takes on the whole thing, I won't try to do their opinions justice because I cannot but there are multiple views on what's happening.

This was obviously very real to you. I live in a country where we have never had segregation and would never pass the kinds of laws that you speak of. Perhaps that is why I take the opposite view from you, since I stand at the very comfortable position of not fearing nor feeling oppression. You say that Doctor Who was not equipped to handle this kind of story. That these are real events and real people, concerning real issues that we as a species faces today. Well, some stories need to be told nevertheless. I've read comments on other videos on this topic, saying that they're disappointed that Rosa Parks got the spotlight when she was not the first woman of colour who refused to give up her seat (I've forgotten what the other woman's name was), and that it was somewhat disrespectful of what truly happened during the Civil Right's movement. Personally, I don't think that matters. Rosa Parks has become more than fact and history at this point. She has in herself become a myth. That the injustice treatment of one person standing against forces beyond her can rally a people to make change in their society. That's a lovely story, and to me, a story that deserves to be told in any medium that it can. Maybe Doctor Who could have depicted it better, but I don't think that is a good reason to shy away from the subject. You speak of allegory and you speak of symbolism, but that scene on the bus... that needed to be told without interference. I think it conveyed just what it needed to and it needed to be just as uncomfortable as you described it. Stories are not meant to be safe spaces.

I have found from watching your channel that I really respect and admire you. I am a white cis female raised by two strong moms, from Texas. I feel like you are someone I would have cherished and enjoyed spending time with. I can see that you care deeply about the world and others around you, which is so rare. I hope that your light endures any hardships that you encounter and that you continue to share your opinion ... I do truly believe that people like you make the world a better place.

I am sorry for any one going threw this. and what he said has moved me. thank you. even I did not know about any of this before I seen this.

Thank you SO MUCH for an utterly heroic post!!

He was sent to the past...so he can still screw everything up in the future XD

Thank you. I still haven't watched this episode and these are has the closest thoughts I've seen expressed echoing why I'm procrastinating.

My thoughts in this episode's villain is that so far we can't confirm his motivations as racist specifically towards black people, consider the possibility that he is a humanoid alien and the "your kind/people" he mentions may just be humanity itself.

I thought it was contrived . I do think that the exploration of that time with minority characters is interesting, but this was done much better in the 10th Doctor era with Martha. Why bring Rosa Parks into the mix?

I feel like your main issue with this could have been fixed or at least improved if one of my major issues with the episode was changed, and that was that they could have shown a few or at least one white character in this episode that wasn’t a cartoon over the top racists and was actually supportive of civil rights. The civil rights movement would not have happened if there wasn’t an extremely large support from white people, that’s just a fact, and if they had shown that the general public were in support of this (or at least a significant amount of them were supportive even if the majority weren’t) then that would have been able to show that even people who don’t belong to the community that are being mistreated can stand up loudly for them which eventually results in change. It’s very frustrating seeing an entire demographic depicted as villainous when reality was much different and more diverse. If they had shown that there was at least one or a few white characters in support of the civil rights and were willing to stand up for them then maybe this would not have impacted Nathanial the way it did, and in my opinion would have made the episode better overall

You're disclaimer at the beginning was very considerate as many people who say things such as this *do* try to push their ideas onto others which is nice to hear/see

for that, i will subscribe. ty for the honest thoughtful discussion.

IDK, this motivation "because he's a racist" seems too shallow for me. That's almost if they just said: "he's just BAD". Why? What led to it? Is there a reason for it? No, he's just BAD. And it's not about the explanation per se, it's rather why this character decided to act exactly this way and not the other, even with he's core believes. And especially in this episode, where this dude killed 2k people and got in Stormcage for that and it wasn't pointed that it was out of racist motive. But if it wasn't why the heck he decided take a racist act after that? And if it was, why didn't he mentioned it? For now it seems 'JUST BECAUSE', unfortunately.

Trump is definitely going way to far. What he's doing is not right and he does not realise how much of a impact he is making for all his actions. It's like he does what he wants and does not care for the negatives for the whole country. The stuff u were talking about in the episode about this breaks my heart and I'm sure everyone will be behind you and everyone else having a rough possible future in the country u live in.

Your comments are always thoughtful and thought-provoking. This time they were also inspiring. Thank you.

Mate. I love your videos! Thank you so much for sharing your opinion. It was very brave. I don't have anything smart or clever to add to the discussion. Just want to send you love.

Chibnail does nothing for me this season. His scripts seem to me glaringly weak and he wrote 6 episodes out of 10. I only hope other writers will work better.

I think the whole rastricting gender to 2 boxes is ok. Hear me out. The whole bodily anatomy differences are quite important during any medical process, if someone doesnt say their biological gender, the dosages will probably be wrong, and it could cause issues. Like, identify how you want. I aint gonna shame folk for their nose shapes, their eyeglasses color or their names. I am not going to shame their gender either. But with medical procedures, details are important and they need to know about your body no matter how uncomfortable it feels. This is not meant to be an attack or anything. I am just saying that there might not be malice behind this action, and you shouldnt worry too much. I am simply trying to put you on ease. I think its mostly a well intentioned move that has negative impacts they were unaware of. But I am not from USA, I am not the one to judge. Just, trying to help here to the best of my abilities which are mostly limited to being positive and having anxiety. And Im all out of anxiety.

This is a monumental episode. A very important moment in time

Thank you for your additional commentary & sharing your thoughts. I agree that certain things are not always handled perfectly in any media (movie, TV, streaming, etc.), yet I would say that they hopefully shed light on topics & start conversations. The subtexts that are not always intended or not even realized that they exist is exactly what comes to light & then the deeper conversations can happen. The unconscious beliefs & narratives can be exposed so we can find the truth. Or at least see how they do not serve us as individuals or as a collective society. It is through the lens of shows & characters we love that we will look with a more open mind & heart to situations that we may have assumed were only one way. Seemingly fixed in time. We can watch & see the nuances, the facets & additional perspectives we may never had fully realized. In addition, we can all be compassionate to what this brings up for people, because we can always learn from their stories & experiences.

I liked the episode and I'm loving Thirteen's run so far, but I felt the episode was just really heavy handed with it's message. Maybe that's the point, but it just kinda took me out of it. That and Graham talking about Ryan's grandma being dead for the third episode in a row.

Love the hair; looks like what I had for 5yars (green,blue, greenbluecombo) Have you thought of having the nonPink section (perhaps slightly more forward) above the forehead cut to around 4cm, (inches hmm: x) = having it both long hair and short with still the "side" hair almost hanging over the eye (on that side) (I found that alot more easier to have a "better" hairday) and it makes it a much more symetrical hairstyle.

Hey can you do top 10 themes of Doctor Who ?

One thing I noticed that I found interesting. Graham (Bradley Walsh)'s role changed from being a passive participant to becoming the trigger of a key historical event as the result of an effort to avoid participating or even observing that event. He stood up to leave and was told by the Doctor to stay (seats needed to be filled). Since he was white and standing (only one standing if I remember correctly), this prompted the driver to have Rosa give up her seat.