The emotions :((

Lmao I was going in the comments to bring that up! The man has one of the most legendary moments in all of dnd thanks to keeping in range of counterspell

“it’s why i got closer bitch!”

I'm curious, what is the context?

@@silverrayn4950 Search “Vox Machina counterspell”

😂 "I think we broke Dungeons & Dragons!"

This doesn't come up often but it's my favorite subtle spell use. So badass

That and Distant Spell. They can’t counter spell me if I’m far enough away.

Improved invisibility: they have to see you as well.

It's THE best counterspell to me, shared with Scanlan's "That's why I got closer motherfucker". I just can't get over the "Nah, she rides bareback reeeeal solid"

Same energy as Samwise Gamgee's "I may not be able to carry the ring, but I can carry you!"

Liam: I'm your Huckleberry

Sounds like a game of magic

I ran into this the other night. My table has a Bard and a Sorlock with Counterspell. I had several casters, and a Necromancer, and it was a friggin blue magic chain of counterspells.

I was playing a bard in a campaign and we also had a wizard, waiting for him to use counterspell, then watching an enemy counterspell his counterspell and immediately counter spelling that second counter spell so the original counter spell went through was both confusing to keep up with at times but was always fun.

@@fenrirswolh3 sorlocks can subtle counterspell, which basically makes their counterspell uncounterable

I’d say identify is definitely right up there too

@@lucienreles2321 Depends on the DM, because, Rule as Written, a Short Rest can do almost all the same things the Identify spell can do. Unless the GM requires otherwise that is!

@@ChevaliersEmeraude Unfortunately, a short rest will let you attune but that runs the risk of having a cursed item attuned or an item someone else put a spell on that you wouldn't know about

@@hyperbolic3259 True but, last I check, Identify doesn't reveal curses (again, unless the DM says otherwise). They really made that spell dirty, counting on the DM to change stuff around to make it useful...

I’ve played two wizards to mid level play, and I’ve never cast a fireball or detect magic.

Liam's brilliance knows no bounds!

.....i love the Hellsing Abridged reference this is built around. Take my like.

@@cyanide7270 Thank you very much. I found it appropriate, with the Zemnian accent and all

now all he needs is a zeppelin

Tbh, I think countering a counterspell is perfectly legal. If everyone had a reaction and counterspell free, there's nothing saying all characters in a fight can't use their reactions on the same turn

I mean that's perfectly legit and within the rules. You can theoretically have an infinite counterspell chain as long as people with spell slots and reactions are available.

@@kolosmenus Nah it's legal. My groups record is 6 counterspell in one the first turn of combat. (Cleric cast silence on a room of hags. 3 party members knew counterspell and the hags knew counterspell. Silence worked.)

If 2 huge wizarding factions faced each other with 100 mages no spells would be going off since everyone would be counterspelling each other. That would be funny to see.

Lmao actually his counterspell against Vokotos chain lightning led directly to Trent killing him with the same spell

It's because that's what Scanlan would have done. ;)

warlock’s gotta save the spell slots!

Perfect usage IMO, clutch on the lower slot char when the higher slot ain't around

Probably the most realistic wizard battle in dnd history.

What episode was that from?

@@gator_teeth Almost the last one. It's the last fight of the campaign.

@@gator_teeth Episode named: Cat and Mouse

@@haku8135 It was exactly the last one.

Simultaneous effects go on chain

Nah, this is Non-Blue players PTSD in MTG!!

That....sounds like a good way to introduce/develop your BBEG

Could you imagine how the person being revived has to go through soul reentering the body and one counterspell later its ripped out again

That almost happened in a game i was in. One of our group died fighting an Atropol our groups humimoid enermy released when we chased after him through a portal on his island lab. We were may about to revivify and be counterspelled by him due to being invisible but one of our groups summoned creature rolled high perception and attacked him just before we had run the ritual. It was a tough fight and was Clerics last spell slot. Clutch role or we would of been done. He would be off to his Patron the Raven Queen for a second time.

Oh damn that would lose you a diamond too. RAW the spell "fires" but fails, so you lose the slot (and presumably components too). Man that would be soooo dirty. Lots of groups carry around enough diamond to bring someone back or maybe two people. Pop that counterspell and suddenly the choices get a loooot tougher

True, but most players I have seen wait until combat is over. Jester doing it mid-final battle is the first time I have ever seen that.

That’s another thing I’m working on ;)

@@DaniGeez Yeeeeeessssssssss!

@@DaniGeez oooo really? I'm excited!

While marine layer is truly the best ability in the game, as a channel divinity option it is technically not a spell

Honestly, marine layer would pair so well with counterspell.

Id have to say any spell that just summons a house is also up there.

Best used by Jes. That’s a lot of sending tho.

Modify memory

@@smite4032 Wait...what was I saying?

@@stonecoldku4161 you were saying that marine lair is the best spell in game

@@smite4032 Right! Well let me know if you ever come across anymore of those cupcakes.

As fun as Fireball is, it's ultimately just another spell that does AoE damage. Counterspell has nothing like it, except maybe Dispel Magic, but being able to stop any spell from going off at all is still leaps ahead of simply Dispelling something that happens to linger, which most spells don't.

I have had substantial fun with this combo.

Casually sweeping in here two years later and screenshotting this for no particular reason at all... Definetely not to remind me for my warlock, nonono 😇

it'll most liekly be from Laura and Marisha...

Also Robbie (I hope), plus once they get 8th level spells he can cast Glibness on one of the Charisma casters so they can't fail the roll

Dimension Door, its always the bosses escape route.

Awww... i guess ur dm has no/few caster enemies

@@cardboardcreationsart Indeed. He prefers using big hit point enemies. Giants, Golems, beasts, aberrations etc

@@jackmyers8687 i see :( hopefully none of ur party took the mage slayer feat cos thatd be redundant xD

You've only leveled 6 times in two years?

@@sonadowfiend Didn't play that character during Covid lock down. And the DM is stingy with XP. Killed a Chimera last session, got 300xp. Total! He divides the points among players

I like that houserule.

To be far you only only get one reaction per peron per round and uses a spell slot. A drawn out fight against mages can cause you problems later on.

Nah, counterspell just adds a new layer of complexity to a fight. It’s a reaction, so each individual with counterspell can only do it once per round. That means you have to decide when is the right time to use it. (See here where Caleb counterspells Eodwulf’s Dimension Door and then Trent nearly gets away with the same spell because Caleb’s already used his reaction.) Not to mention that it costs a spell slot, and that could be a very valuable loss. (See the final fight of Vox Machina and Scanlan’s absolutely heartbreaking choice to give up his 9th level spell to defeat Vecna.)

@@kaniamia it's a your not escaping big boss.

It's really not. It's a powerful spell sure but I would call it especially OP. It costs a reaction and a spell slot (often a fairly high one if you're trying to make sure you'll succeed). As soon as you add multiple spellcasters to the fight it introduces a risk of wasting it on a less important spell or in basically any fight introduces the risk that you take some serious damage or even go down when you can't cast shield or absorb elements later in the round.

Most of Matt's big Villains are the "Ive prepared for too long" type so they all having a way to escape is not just smart but in character.

" I cast counterspell" "I spell pierce your counterspell" "Force of will your spell pierce" "Flusterstorm storm count 4"

@@dakotacampbell9936 “I’ll let the stack resolve. With the original spell on the stack and priority passed, I’ll swan song it.”

Well regardless its not a high dc for it to succeed. If I'm right, for counter spell to succeed, it must succeed a dc of spell level +10. So 5th level is 15, 6th is 16, and so on and so forth.

I think it's more a case that the DM shouldn't perhaps declare the level if there's someone with counterspell. What you propose would feel super unfair as a player.

Yup that's how it's supposed to be! I like to use spell cards, so I can hold one up and if it goes through, place it down, that way there's a little less room for "shenanigans" of counterspelling stuff

Last ep. 141

Same, but replace "HATE" with "LOVE"

I have few other Vox Machina related videos? spoilers tho. if thats what you mean Or do you mean just lovm? Cause Amazon studios keeps giving me a strike or tells me to remove when I try uploading something. I don’t want to keep putting “watch on Amazon” in big letters. Doesn’t look pretty

What fucking writers are you talking about?😂

@@AlbelNoxful1 probably joking about idiots that think the show is scripted

@@nathanroberts32 pretty much 👌

How so?

@@nightrat42 Firstly, counterspelling a counter spell makes no logistical sense. If a normal action spell takes let’s say 3 seconds to cast on a round, then it takes another faster 1.5 seconds to counterspell that spell, then ANOTHER caster counterspell that counterspell, which would take 1.5 seconds as well. But that means the first counterspell would be completed by the time the second goes off, so it just shouldn’t work. On top of that, up casting the spell doesn’t make sense, you have the same odds of stopping a 6th level spell if you cast counter-spell at 3rd, 4th, or 5th level. On top of all that, the caster level doesn’t play any influence into that, meaning that a high arch mage like Trent could cast a 9th level spell and have it counterspell by a 5th level nobody in his class just because he rolled well. It also just takes away so much fun from casters because once everyone is counterpelling all over the place, barely anyone actually gets to cast anything.

@@RoyBoyRULEZZ I think you're nitpicking on the time issue. The moment you see that hand start to rise, you're going to start your own incantation because you know what's coming. Nine times out of ten, you're both going to finish your incantations at the same time and your enemy's Counterspell will fizzle. Now, I don't know what the actual spell of Counterspell is supposed to look like, or if there even IS an established canonical physical representation of the spell (my guess would be no), but based on how Matt describes it, there's some time between finishing the incantation and the spell reaching its intended target and taking hold where Counterspell can be Counterspelled. So even if you were to finish your own incantation .2 seconds after your enemy, you would still Counterspell the Counterspell because they would just meet in the middle like Trent and Caleb. I would also like to point out that Spells of the same Speed Class have always been able to counter each other in gaming since time immemorial. It's not supposed to make "logistical sense." It's supposed to be a gaming mechanic for balance and fun. Think about it this way: How unbalanced, unfun, and broken would Counterspell be if it was uncounterable? As far as being able to Counterspell a Level 9 with a Level 5, that's just part of D&D and RNG. That's one aspect of why D&D is so much fun and watchable: Because there's always an opportunity to make the impossible possible.

@@RoyBoyRULEZZ On the subject of caster level, it doesn't affect your counterspell because it doesn't affect basically anything in 5e. The only effect the level of a caster has on their spells is that their damaging cantrips do more (and that's not based on your spellcaster level, a character with 1 level in wizard and 19 in barbarian is a 1st level spellcaster but their cantrips will be those of a 20th level character)

@@mollymauktealeaf yeah I know why the spell is the way it is, but i still think it’s poorly designed and don’t really think “we’ll they designed it poorly with this thought process in mind is really much of an excuse for it. And as I write this, I’m realizing that while they don’t directly reference spellcaster level in the use of spells at all, that’s not even fully what I meant earlier, they just as easily could have used the casters Spell Save Dc or something like that to represent the target number and that probably would have fixed many of the issues tbh. From there, maybe at a +1 to the roll for each spell level used to cast it over 3rd or something like that, maybe make it each 2 spell levels used to cast it over 3rd if that seems like too much. Idk, this is just spitballing, but it’s make the spell a lot more dynamic and strategic in design than it currently is and make it generally make more sense.