Here is the 6th Circuit Opinion: law.justia.com...
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@czechmarque Жыл бұрын
Which part of "Nor shall private property be taken for public use without just compensation" do they not understand? Now we just need to end Civil Asset Forfeiture.
@jame3shook Жыл бұрын
MI GA - Only applies to the Federal gov't.../s
@chickenmonger123 Жыл бұрын
Oh they understood. They just don’t care what the constitution says. By that action they show that they would rather no law exist that would apply to them. That they hate law, and hate justice, and most of all they hate you. That you would be secure from their power and whim is something they’d take if they could. The idea that the law would apply to others and themselves, is in their eyes, a trifling error in the manifest order of things. An error they wish to correct. Now one might argue stupidity vs. malice. Stupidity is malice. It is the inability for one understand themselves, and their ways, and how they interact with others. To act without consideration for consequence, is a failure to prioritize the pursuit of good or evil when acting. It is malice to choose not to subject your thoughts, ideas, and actions within that context as a matter of course. The simple thinks every idea is good. The fool thinks only their ideas are good. Both of which are malicious choices.
@patrickpowers5995 Жыл бұрын
I live in the UK and cannot believe that there can be this problem. It's a simple aspect of Common Law here.
@juniorjohnson9509 Жыл бұрын
@@patrickpowers5995 Much of the laws over here have their origin in English Common Law, but for some reason ( greed and corruption, most likely) laws that are NOT favorable to the officials financially got lost along the way.
@cybersal7 Жыл бұрын
It was one thing when they would confiscate stacks of money, drugs, and guns (because it ended in arrest and conviction would follow), but $780 off of a innocent man driving down the road with no charges and no arrest is outrageous.
@JohnHenryEdenUSA Жыл бұрын
When they're trying to launder that title by transferring it 3 times before selling it for a profit you know it's legit.
@jame3shook Жыл бұрын
IMO, yes, just like local CAF, then transfer to state and/or federal
@xlerb2286 Жыл бұрын
My thought exactly. We have to take anti-money laundering training at work and this ticks all the checkboxes, except that it's in this case the perpetrators fiddled the lawbooks so they could claim it was legal. But this is one big step in the right direction.
@DarkPesco Жыл бұрын
Sounds squeaky clean...as all laundering jobs should!
@Azy13h Жыл бұрын
Yeah plus the city manager owning the company that buys the properties is even more troubling.
@NewsOfTheRebellion Жыл бұрын
It's Oakland County? Of course it is, I was born there and would happily suggest that the law was constructed as a poor attempt to steal property for gentrification.
@eightysea3780 Жыл бұрын
It boggles the mind that a District Court looked at this and said "This is fine."
@FishinMagik Жыл бұрын
If you knew HALF of the district judges in MI, it’s not mind boggling at all…
@mikepalmer2219 Жыл бұрын
Really? You are surprised by this? Lol.
@pintaco4299 Жыл бұрын
Guess which party they support
@ncdave4life Жыл бұрын
I believe that the legal principle is, *_The law is an ass._*
@ratibbaker8564 Жыл бұрын
Not really anymore! We have seen so much corruption by government anymore that this is not surprising! Should be, but that is how far downhill we have gone!
@txhookey5608 Жыл бұрын
One of the HOAs I lived in had a couple that paid cash for their house. Due to the more simple closing, the seller and title company failed to disclose it was in an HOA. The couple was unaware of the monthly dues. The HOA had the actual address of the home that was in the HOA, but they sent collection notices to an apartment that the couple once lived in. It is a gated community and the couple got a token to get through the gate everyday by giving the attendant their address. The gate attendant was well aware that they were not paying dues but never mentioned it. Not knowing they were in a HOA they didn't know they could pick up a key card to get through the gate without a token. The house was foreclosed and the foreclosure documents were sent to the apartment they no longer lived in. The HOA admitted this when asked. They had no excuse for why they did not mail the documents and notices to the actual house that was being foreclosed. I became aware of this right before the house went to auction. The auction was not properly listed and only the HOA showed up at the auction and they bought it for the amount of HOA unpaid dues. Their intent was to keep the house for and sell it. The HOA President was a realtor, how convenient. The couple was an older couple who never lived in a HOA and they didn't even know they existed. A relative passed away and left them enough money to buy the house with cash. This was their retirement home. I got involved and after several unproductive discussions with the HOA board president, I called a lawyer friend of mine who was nice enough to call the board president and the HOA attorney. Again, they admitted that no notice of debt or foreclosure was sent to the actual property. They had to because they were sent certified so it would be very easy to discover. They also admitted that there was no HOA notice signed at the Title Company, after I called the Title company and had them check it. Due to the ridiculous scenario, the HOA agreed to "sell" the house back to the owner for unpaid dues, less any penalties. I was pushing for no dues as they were not aware of them, they were not properly disclosed, and the incompetent way they "didn't" notify the actual owner at the property in question. The owners wanted to pay what was due, less any penalties, and got their house back. I tried to find an enforcement entity that would investigate this situation but the local police, Sheriff's office, and the Constable stated that they could only investigate theft, which this was very close to becoming, or actual assault by a Board or it's members but not any of their other actions. Considering millions of people live in HOAs and there are billions of dollars in properties at risk there should be some form of enforcement to make sure they are following the laws of the state and operating under the governing documents of the HOA. To many HOAs fail to do so with little to no recourse.
@lisat9707 Жыл бұрын
Very crazy story and you make a good case for having recourse on failures like this. I wonder if a case could be made that HOAs are local government bodies and as such are subject to rules of law that outline how they must conduct their business.
@2011blueman Жыл бұрын
Who exactly did they think paid for there to be a gate attendant at the front gate?
@txhookey5608 Жыл бұрын
@@2011blueman The homes under the HOA are co-located with a good sized time share resort. The timeshare owns a golf course, all of the timeshare properties, the entry gate, two lakes, tennis courts, and all of the amenities. It was Silver Leaf to being with but got bought out by Holiday Inn. The sign for the entrance was for the Holiday Inn property. The HOA paid for the upkeep of the amenities in exchange for using them. It would be easy to think that Holiday Inn was paying for gate attendant.
@2011blueman Жыл бұрын
@@txhookey5608 Interest, thanks for the info. I would have never imagined that, and if I ever encountered it I'd NEVER buy a house that is behind a gated entrance controlled by a timeshare company or Holiday Inn. My follow up question would be if the couple ever used the amenities. I'd automatically assume there is an HOA and dues whenever there are amenities, but I'm use to living in HOA hell.
@UndyingShadow83 Жыл бұрын
@@txhookey5608 This place didn't happen to be in northeast Texas, did it?
@patrickdurham8393 Жыл бұрын
I bought my property just shy of 18 months ago and recently got a notice that my property taxes were being increased by about $115 a year. I called the tax assessor's office and ask them what improvements they had offered me with this increased tax money. I inform them that my road is still not paved, I still don't have city water, trash pickup or sanitary sewer so I need to know what they've done to earn my extra money. They reclassified my property as farmland and my taxes are now $20 cheaper per year than my original amount. Sometimes it pays to be the squeaky wheel or the cranky old man. Yeah I'm both of those.
@k.chriscaldwell4141 Жыл бұрын
In the Chicago area they would have come after you in various ways. You would have paid dearly for that call.
@robertsmith2956 Жыл бұрын
Pays to have multiple homes. They tried to claim it was a state increase. So I asked them why aren't both properties raised then? One went up 2%, the other went up 12%. The 12% got adjusted to 2%.
@johnlyn1 Жыл бұрын
@@k.chriscaldwell4141 Cook County is very corrupt. I heard when people dispute their property tax assessment the county retaliates against them and in many cases will increase the assessment even more so they will never try to dispute it again. They to instill fear to make people afraid to question them.
@jeffkiehne2545 Жыл бұрын
Your property may now be worthless if farmland .
@saltycreole2673 Жыл бұрын
Same situation here. In New Mexico, property taxes are based on the last sale price. I lost. My taxes went up exponetially.
@Lemon9234 Жыл бұрын
Citing 800-year-old law in your decision is an unbelievably baller move.
@yoshisaidit7250 Жыл бұрын
Except when it comes to the right to travel abroad as per the Magna Carta. Now they force you to pay for a passport, and do background checks before you are allowed to "freely" travel abroad. That would be taking a right, turning into a privilege, and charging a fee for it.
@drooplug Жыл бұрын
@@yoshisaidit7250 You don't need a passport to exit the country.
@gholland5840 Жыл бұрын
@@drooplug you do
@drooplug Жыл бұрын
@@gholland5840 Maybe your country, but not the US.
@Keaton0801 Жыл бұрын
@@drooplug yes you do in the US.
@andylang-ks4wt7 ай бұрын
Why are these corrupt city officials not in prison???
@mpmansell Жыл бұрын
Which brings the question: "Should statues of limitations apply to governmental bodies when they use their power to act unconstitutionally?"
@Smart-Towel-RG-400 Жыл бұрын
The city managers that did this belong to be in a prison cell
@mr.robinson1982 Жыл бұрын
They deserved to be buried under the prison
@billruss6704 Жыл бұрын
Someone told me that people who steal go to Hell.
@sheepishmclemmingston5550 Жыл бұрын
They dont belong IN it. I'd argue they belong UNDER it. 6 feet, preferably
@solandri69 Жыл бұрын
Naw, they deserve to be fined, and all their assets seized and sold for $1 to a shell company to pay that fine.
@wimpow Жыл бұрын
A lot of city managers, be it in the US of A, or here in my small 30.000 souls small city in Germany, belong in a prison cell. It is the only way they would stop stealing us blind.
@skittlemenow Жыл бұрын
The scam is they foreclose on the house sell it to their own business or a business owned by a family member then resell the home for a massive profit.
@johnbernstein7887 Жыл бұрын
DUH!
@lunaticbz3594 Жыл бұрын
That isn't the current scam. That's the old scam where you sell the house for only the back taxes to a 'friend' for kickbacks. In this current version of the scam, they can sell the house slightly below market value to anyone and they don't need a kickback because they are just keeping the money. Though obviously you can still sell it to a 'friend' as well.
@Azy13h Жыл бұрын
They're not even trying to hide it. City manager Frederick E. Zorn owns the company buying and selling the properties
@VideoArchiveGuy Жыл бұрын
If you didn't pay your property taxes, you have no right to say anything.
@SpeedDemonExpress Жыл бұрын
@@VideoArchiveGuy Property tax is theft.
@mcspud Жыл бұрын
This was a brutal, brutal, brutal reversal. The sheer contempt shown to the district court by the federal is hilarious.
@henkheemskerk4437 Жыл бұрын
how many people wil go to court now to get there money back?
@thisbushnell2012 Жыл бұрын
The sheer contempt the state legislators had shown for the Constitution is APPALLING.
@Matt-yg8ub Жыл бұрын
It’s little more than the Feds shitting on the State simply because they can.
@michaelpettersson4919 Жыл бұрын
They should compensate everyone that they did this to. The state being broke are no excuse, pay up.
@jonathanpalmer2283 ай бұрын
@henkheemskerk4437 I hope its for their entire lifetime
@Hawkeye2001 Жыл бұрын
This law is a larger version of "Civil Asset Forfeiture" ... Government stealing under the power of law.
@beekeeper8474 Жыл бұрын
My grandfather's property went into probate they sold it to a company for $20,000 6 months after the paperwork was done the resold it for $450,000. It's all a scam
@TheMookie1590 Жыл бұрын
then people act suprised when we get heros in kill dozers
@mikelarry2602 Жыл бұрын
Shrink the Government !
@Fuckyoutubecensorship1 Жыл бұрын
@@mikelarry2602 I agree.
@mikelarry2602 Жыл бұрын
@@Fuckyoutubecensorship1 That's why the middle class is shrinking.
@stevebabiak6997 Жыл бұрын
If you felt that the property was worth much more than the $20,000 bid that came via the foreclosure auction, then why would you not have bid more to get it yourself? The subsequent resale amount is somewhat irrelevant, since you didn’t mention how much money was put into it to improve the value (and you wouldn’t know that improvement amount either BTW). Back to the concept of overage. The debt owed was not mentioned, I will just use ZZZ to represent that amount. The overage would be basically equal to the auction bid of $20,000 minus ZZZ (minus some costs to conduct the auction if those costs weren’t included within ZZZ); that overage amount is what the taxing authority should have returned to the foreclosed owner. States where the laws do not automatically pass along the overage to the foreclosed owner IMO do that unconstitutionally, and the court ruling in this video seems to say that it is unconstitutional.
@brucedagel3186 Жыл бұрын
In a nutshell, the law says "We can steal your house fair and square if you fall behind on your taxes because we said so."
@JoshSweetvale Жыл бұрын
Well, the people who write the laws are also the people who turn a profit. Not a personal profit, but a corporate one.
@Matt-yg8ub Жыл бұрын
Typically, the county forecloses on the tax delinquent property and if they can’t sell it for a profit anymore…..they’ll just donate it to the local municipality….less the back taxes and all the processing fees and expenses incurred by the county.
@attilathemom7518 Жыл бұрын
video is exactly as long as it needs to be to explain the issue at hand lol. great job!
@brucejones2354 Жыл бұрын
I disagree that the videos are to long. The fact that Steve takes the time to explain the law and uses examples helps the non-lawers in this audience to understand the workings of law is a great service to us and as far as I'm concerned, this is GREATLY APPRECIATED. Thank you Steve for all you do.
@theHAL9000 Жыл бұрын
That a governmental agency would justify such horrible predatory conduct is scary.
@arinerm1331 Жыл бұрын
I agree that it's scary, but it's sadly not actually surprising.
@jpnewman1688 Жыл бұрын
That's NOTHING. I bet you don't know that SCOTUS has repeatedly ruled government agencies have no legal duty to "serve and protect" the sheep from harm, yet can lie to the sheep and jail/kill the sheep while being pay by the sheep.
@cronobactersakazakii5133 Жыл бұрын
You mean like CAF ?
@Lovuschka Жыл бұрын
Some of the scariest words in the English language: "I'm from the government and I'm here to help you!"
@jpnewman1688 Жыл бұрын
@@cronobactersakazakii5133 CAF ain't NOTHING when government can put a "terrorist" label on anyone then detain the person indefinitely without trial.
@christianullrich2923 Жыл бұрын
This is going to be in quizzes in law schools: "Which court, in which case, referred to both quantum mechanics and Magna Charta in the same opinion?"
@GraemePayne1967Marine Жыл бұрын
Ten thumbs up!
@lisat9707 Жыл бұрын
@@GraemePayne1967Marine 👍👍 there 2 more plus the one I added to this comment makes 10 total. Woohoooo! Now forward to law prof and prophecy fulfilled!
@CrippledMerc Жыл бұрын
This is absurd that the law was even able to be passed and that the first court that it was sound, let alone put into use against people. Absolutely absurd. Civil asset forfeiture isn’t enough for these greedy people, they must take every penny that they even think they can get their hands on.
@markmpm Жыл бұрын
Steve, the video is NOT too long, it is brilliant, fascinating, enlightening coverage of law, history, government arrogance, and the fight for justice. Thank you for this fine service!
@russbell6418 Жыл бұрын
I had all the info about the legalities quickly (about 5 minutes, as snaplash said). I may go back later to get the entertainment. I like his stuff, but sometimes don't hear it all out. (He also runs longer if a subject is of greater importance to him.)
@armchairtin-kicker503 Жыл бұрын
It seems in Michigan that property tax foreclosure is asset forfeiture by another name.
@PeterGoyer Жыл бұрын
Corruption is rampant these dark days, thanks Steve for reporting the truth.
@preachers4135 Жыл бұрын
Wonderful news! Being a student of history and knowing your rights prove invaluable when many are trying to rewrite history.
@Zundfolge Жыл бұрын
Even if they return the surplus, foreclosing on someone for property tax debt is immoral. The most the State should be allowed to do is put a lien on the property and require payment of taxes due from the proceeds of the sale of the property, but they should never take the property (especially people's homes).
@jame3shook Жыл бұрын
morals are a matter for religion.....and the gov't can't be held accountable to religion. I have heard of Pagans required to take a Christian oath on a Christian bible in courts...and as that goes against the Pagans' religious rights, that oath would be invalid....yet that is the foundation of perjury - violation of that Christian oath.
@Br3ttM Жыл бұрын
If someone refuses to pay, there has to be some way of making them, or they would have no reason to pay. You can either take their property, or threaten them with jail, and we decided that debtor's prison shouldn't generally be allowed. There is stuff like garnishing wages, but that only works if they have a job. Requiring that the debt has to reach some percentage of the property's value before it can be foreclosed would be a good limitation, and I'd say the 7% in one of those cases was far too low. And it should also require a lawsuit, where the person receives a summons to court, and not just mailing some warning letter to what might be their address.
@jpnewman1688 Жыл бұрын
So you expect narcissists/sociopaths/psychopaths to have moral?
@jpnewman1688 Жыл бұрын
@@Br3ttM too bad government can't create endless fiat MONEY out of NOTHING like bankers can.
@Fuckyoutubecensorship1 Жыл бұрын
@@jpnewman1688 Did you vote?
@kele1264 Жыл бұрын
Please don't apologize for a video being too long! It takes as long as it takes to explain the issues, the decisions, the meanings, and the consequences. You explain to inform; we listen to learn. Thank you for that! Please keep doing a thorough job, without rushing.
@waynegnarlie1 Жыл бұрын
I listened to every word. No hurry. Deep understanding requires more than a sound bite.
@kele1264 Жыл бұрын
@@waynegnarlie1 👍
@charlesesseltine7054 Жыл бұрын
I agree. In my life, I have learned that patience pays in dividends rather than a instant reward. I would rather listen to something being explained for thirty minutes than something summarized in under a minute.
@jamessimms415 Жыл бұрын
I take breaks, watch in 10-15 minute blocks. Maybe watch some else, go take care of business or eat. Then come back.
@kele1264 Жыл бұрын
@@charlesesseltine7054 👍
@CoryHobbs2178 Жыл бұрын
It's just shocking how criminal the government is
@bubblebus1 Жыл бұрын
I comment as a British subject, so we get references to rights under Magna Carta in the same way you have "sovereign citizens." In fact, very few terms of the original magna Carta remain as current law, although many clauses were incorporated into new laws. It was heartening to hear a US case refer back to such ancient charters that conveyed rights to citizens. I was impressed with the details uncovered in ancient juris prudence and the whole thing comes together wonderfully. Every respect to the lawyer that did the hard work and congratulations on such a well-argued success.
@louissanderson719 Жыл бұрын
The American Bar Association still celebrate the Magna Carta. Has done for a long time.
@al1383 Жыл бұрын
The association that is buying homes for $1 needs to be investigated. Who owns and works for this association. And what relationship do they have with politicians and the people foreclosing on these homes.
@jame3shook Жыл бұрын
Typical 'interest payment' between government and governmental non-profit org...as the minimum interest has to be 1 USD under law.
@Br3ttM Жыл бұрын
Sounds like something the government set up to launder the property and spend the proceeds on whatever it wants without oversight. I'd bet they are basically an unofficial department of the city government.
@jamessimms415 Жыл бұрын
That was my thought. Some government official’s wife, husband, brother, sister, son, daughter.
@sharond2814 Жыл бұрын
I know it was Black Rock that bought up most of the homes/ properties in the 2008 Subprime mortgage heist. Black Rock is a Israeli associated business, has DEEP ties with our US Congress. And it was the company our US GOVT gave complete control of the TRILLIONS of our $$ in that CARES act passed that was supposed to go to help Americans that were losing everything due to their illegal lockdowns. But no telling. There's just so many Corporate Cartels that bribe our legislators.
@al1383 Жыл бұрын
@@jame3shook Ya but how does the government selling the home for a dollar, when back taxes are owed, make the government whole? Sounds like a scam
@silentvoiceinthedark5665 Жыл бұрын
Steve this sounds so much like a RICO crime, whereas the individual agents of the government have organized a criminal operation under the color of law.
@tayzonday Жыл бұрын
Do prior victims get their equity refunded now? Or will they have to sue?
@phlodel Жыл бұрын
All government should have to review all foreclosures and refund the excess funds. I realize that would be an incredible burden on governments but they have imposed incredible burdens on citizens who have had property foreclosed and funds stolen.
@rsewill12 Жыл бұрын
The SCOTUS a couple of months ago went along with this court and stopped the taking of the excess from a foreclosure.
@mikep490 Жыл бұрын
That's a good question and Mr Lehto said they'd have to sue. My thought is if statute of limitations apply and if a class action would be possible. It'll also be interesting on how the property value (at time of forfeit) is established, especially since the city sold that house for $1, nor necessarily on the eventual selling cost by the non-profit.
@Silvercrypto-xk4zy Жыл бұрын
They will have to sue as he mentioned at the end of the video, and in some cases it could succeed in arguing that too much time has passed to do anything about it
@rubenjanssen8491 Жыл бұрын
why would it be an incredibel burden is was not theirs to begin with @@phlodel
@kimphilpot4844 Жыл бұрын
In Australia in Victoria where I live there used to be a thing where the bank could take your house and sell for money owed ( mortgagees auction ) only that’s how it was back in the 70’s, but the law was changed so now it has to be sold for market value and bank can only keep money owed plus expenses the rest has to be passed back to owner.
@bobboberson5755 Жыл бұрын
Boy are they going to owe a lot of money to the citizens they already stole from.
@JAMDJAMD Жыл бұрын
NAH. Somebody will kiss tRumps ass and he will get his BOY on the supreme court to throw it out. Just you wait and see!
@whammond511 Жыл бұрын
Exactly!! It could easily bankrupt many municipalities!!
@blackhorsecavalry Жыл бұрын
What you didn't tell us is the names of the politicians family that are in the association that bought $22,000 of debt for $1 and then sold that $1 bill for $302,000.
@m.l.a.o. Жыл бұрын
That was my first thought
@corssecurity Жыл бұрын
Bingo
@SmittyAZ Жыл бұрын
Follow the Money?
@Br3ttM Жыл бұрын
The name of the organization suggests it is an unofficial extension of the city government. They can't do something themselves, so they set up a non-profit that does it for them.
@paulbrickler Жыл бұрын
Love the work that Pacific Legal and IJ do to protect individual rights. Great organizations.
@myquartknee Жыл бұрын
"You should not ever give credibility to critics wanting a condensed version". Sure there are stories that run long, but it's your show to run as you see fit. I personally like that you take the time to explain all of the subtle complexities of a particular case, kind of like a law professor. Don't change a thing. Please!
@arlo4051 Жыл бұрын
Wasn't long ago I was reading about a person who's land tax appraisal from the township was increased even though property values were decreasing at the time, refused to pay the extra and had his land foreclosed on by the township. Then to rub salt in the wound the Township actually had the gall to gloat how they got a $100,000 dollar piece of property on the lake for $1000 dollars. I gave up on the court system when Michigan Supreme court allowed the transitivity called MERS to be able to break the chain of title.
@geoffstrickler Жыл бұрын
This nonsense of conveying the title to another entity to avoid a fair market value sale with payment of equity to the mortgagee/owner must also be stopped. That includes selling it significantly below market value at a “tax auction”. Minimum sale price should be set at 80% of FMV or something of that nature.
@Br3ttM Жыл бұрын
If a private person or organization did that, it would be against the law. There are some ways you can get away with it, like shifting around where a business earns income by having subsidiaries paying each other for things like licensing, but other than that, it's usually seen as cheating the laws and courts.
@dougstaines986 Жыл бұрын
Never too long. Really appreciate the history lesson.
@abspasadena Жыл бұрын
Michigan politicians and judges. “Uncivilized” in the truest sense of that word. Good work, Mr. Lehto!
@bceltics121 Жыл бұрын
Michigans law is obviously more extreme but , here in Connecticut the late fees and penalties are so punitive that catching up on back property taxes are nearly impossible. I believe it's also the law where of for some reason you don't get a tax bill in the mail, you still owe the tax and are subject to all late fees. From my experience the tax collector has no obligation to work with you either. If a private business had collection policies like this, they would be sued into oblivion.
@jpnewman1688 Жыл бұрын
Do you vote?
@orppranator5230 Жыл бұрын
@@jpnewman1688 I also live in connecticut. We are basically a whole state that’s a suburb of NYC and Boston, with a little Hartford mixed in. We are very deep blue and therefore love government in every way, and do not want to change a thing. 🥰
@FMHikari Жыл бұрын
That sounds incredibly fucked up...
@bceltics121 Жыл бұрын
@@orppranator5230 exactly. I haven't heard anyone running for office talk about reforming this law. The only tax I hear about is out "temporary" income tax.
@jpnewman1688 Жыл бұрын
@@orppranator5230 no worries. There are plenty of sheep in "red states" that love their masters, and don't want to change either. 😂
@Smart-Towel-RG-400 Жыл бұрын
Totally insane ...this is basically robbery
@lexsteel12 Жыл бұрын
Not basically, is literally robbery. They are stealing money that doesn't belong to them. In any other situation, that would be grounds for charges against someone.
@terryc7142 Жыл бұрын
As evil as people can be, corrupt governments can beat them all.
@corssecurity Жыл бұрын
@@lexsteel12 yes there's a name for a system where the powerful few own everything including the peasantry.
@johnpopoff7950 Жыл бұрын
Government=legal mafia
@JoshSweetvale Жыл бұрын
Tax. Government takes money from citizens. That's tax.
@terryjwood Жыл бұрын
I enjoy ALL of your videos -- every minute of them!
@molskimauler Жыл бұрын
Awesome job 6th district! Now do Civil Asset Forfeiture!
@richbahr5185 Жыл бұрын
Been waiting for this update since your prior. Video on the subject. Unconscionable is the perfect word to describe this practice as well as civil asset forfeiture. Btw…Your videos are each just as long as they need to be…no complaints here!!
@phillipsusi1791 Жыл бұрын
How was such an injustice allowed to be carried out for so long?
@markwarburton8563 Жыл бұрын
It's astonishing how often the Magna Carta comes up.
@no_rubbernecking Жыл бұрын
Yes and it's because we're still fighting the same group of people (trying the same type of bullscat) that its writers were fighting when they wrote it
@JayJones-bp4xl Жыл бұрын
Steve I live in Australia and enjoy hearing about the law in the USA. So in my opinion you take, the right amount of time. To tell us about the law. Thank you very much and have a fantastic day. I now know more about the law they, then I do about the law in Australia. I would like it, if someone over here would take the time to explain our laws like you do.
@Orignialsjohns34 Жыл бұрын
Thank you so much for reporting on this. This is a travesty in Michigan and I know of so many people who have lost their homes because of property taxes and didn't receive a dime!!! ❤❤
@feetincheseighths Жыл бұрын
Even worse if someone is 87 years old and still trying to handle their own bills they may not recognize the tax bill.
@joew8438 Жыл бұрын
Further, nearly all bills these days can be automated or handled by a billing service. Exceptions to that are car registration and property taxes.
@jame3shook Жыл бұрын
@@joew8438 Property Taxes are typically done IF there is a mortgage, but not if the mortgage is paid off.
@joew8438 Жыл бұрын
@@jame3shook I'm not sure what you mean. Property taxes are assessed by most counties based on a percentage of the assessed property value, whether you hold a mortgage or not. That might vary depending on how your county, city, or state assesses the tax. Mortgage fees or sales taxes are a separate matter.
@TdrSld Жыл бұрын
@@jame3shook you most not live in Texas.
@GSP-76 Жыл бұрын
This ruse is predatory on the elderly more than anyone else.
@randalthor741 Жыл бұрын
Great video - as someone who's worked in the banking industry for decades, I found all the details about the history of mortgages and property rights going back to the Magna Carta absolutely fascinating. I learned the origins of some of the terms that I use dozens of times every day! IMO the video was definitely *not* too long, because I appreciated getting all that detail and context. Also, it probably goes without saying, but it's so obvious that the decision to strike this law down is the right decision. The 6th Circuit very much did the right thing here, and boy did they ever bring their receipts to show why it was the right decision.
@kellypatterson8506 Жыл бұрын
Watched video to end, excellent 👌and I'm a long haul trucker so please feel free to make long videos:) I love how u break down into layman's terms legal issues.
@edletain385 Жыл бұрын
No man's life or property is safe while the legislature is in session. - Mark Twain
@lmr691 Жыл бұрын
Pacific Legal and attorneys involved, great job working for homeowners! Hope they get their money back!
@UmmmmmmmWhat Жыл бұрын
It would be a great world where the lawyers percentage of a settlement is then added as a seperate fee the losing side pays in more cases. Especially class actions where everyone ends up with $10. (looks at settlement check i keep to laugh at from '04)
@HappyJ Жыл бұрын
With interest, I hope. When its the other way. There are always late charges and penalties 🙄
@johnbernstein7887 Жыл бұрын
@@UmmmmmmmWhat I just got a settlement check for 1.06! Of course I didn't sue, but should I cash it?
@UmmmmmmmWhat Жыл бұрын
@@johnbernstein7887 Even if you technically didn't sue, sometimes you do get included in a settlement. Some things like a class action mfg defect case the settlement group could be 'opt out' where everyone who bought the defective product is incuded automatically by default *unless* they opt out. Can you cash it? Possibly, as long as it really is a settlement check. Should you? That's debatable, is $1.06 more valuable to you than the humor of the nearly useless settlement check?
@johnbernstein7887 Жыл бұрын
@@UmmmmmmmWhat Well with inflation, it might be in my best interest to cash it before I end up owing them money!
@illonashepherd7845 Жыл бұрын
Steve, your videos are not too long. Important information cannot always be explained in ten minutes. I even went back to the beginning almost to be sure I was understanding what you were saying. It's also interesting to see how information builds over time. Thank you for explaining these things to us. It is very much appreciated.
@GraemePayne1967Marine Жыл бұрын
You absolutely did NOT go too long for this topic! Every property owner in the country needs to be aware of this for many reasons. Especially since the Court's references include Magna Carta! (I am a Brit by birth, and an American by choice.)
@patrickurquidez4693 Жыл бұрын
Steve; the reason I watch you is because you explain the cases and the laws that apply as well as the court process in a manner that someone like me can understand them. I don't care how long your video is, you still concisely explain everything in a manner that even I, a person with 3 college degrees, am completely overwhelmed by our court systems and laws. So do not change anything, and ignore the idiots and trolls because I appreciate everything you have taught me about our courts, laws, and justice system. I thank you for that.
@brandonlink6568 Жыл бұрын
When I bought my house the title company didn't transfer my title, I didn't notice for about a year or so until one day I realized I hadn't paid any property taxes yet. My tax statements were being sent to Bank of America out in California who promptly binned them. If I lived in Michigan and hadn't caught it when I did I could have lost by brand new house.
@michaelsouto3595 Жыл бұрын
Your videos are not too long. You explain things in ways everyone can understand. The best teachers I ever had did the very same thing. Keep doing what you doing. Those that think they are too long need a little more patience.
@jpnewman1688 Жыл бұрын
These videos are good to point out the issues with government. However, I bet most viewers will continue to give power to narcissists/sociopaths/psychopaths to rule them then complain about it everyday.
@Fuckyoutubecensorship1 Жыл бұрын
@@jpnewman1688 Did you vote?
@yogibro6442 Жыл бұрын
Sometimes I listen to them on x2 speed when they are long, they are more dramatic, sometimes exiting 😁
@reginaschellhaas1395 Жыл бұрын
I sigh with pleasure, and don my headphones.
@xXceejaybeeXx Жыл бұрын
It's never too long if it's educational. Thank you for shining a light on this subject.
@dangeary2134 Жыл бұрын
THIS VIDEO IS NOT TOO LONG!!!!! It’s been so informative that any persons saying it was not worth the time is just nuts!!! THIS WAS EDUCATIONAL!
@danielsteward5090 Жыл бұрын
It sounds to me like a few county tax officers found a way to make money by "Legally stealing" people 's homes by defaulting them on their taxes and buying their house for the amount of taxes owed and selling the house for market value and keeping the balance. This I believe because it happened to me.
@grahvis Жыл бұрын
It is a horrifying thought that you would need to be constantly on guard because the authority you pay taxes to, have a vested interest in you defaulting. In the UK, the nearest to that if you owed more than £5,000, would be to make you bankrupt. In that case the house would be sold and the money used to clear any debts, if there was a balance, that would be yours.
@Matt-yg8ub Жыл бұрын
The county forecloses on the property and auctions it off. It’s almost always an ethics violation for anyone directly involved to bid on the property. If the property owes 40k and sells for 60k, in most cases that 20k goes into the general fund ……but sometimes it’s specific entailed for a specific civic function or simply earmarked for enforcement costs. So if your bank can foreclose on you for not paying your mortgage…..and you loose the house outright. Same should be true with county tax auctions. All this ruling does is say the county can’t pocket the surplus from the sale……so now if you owe 40k, instead of auctioning the property off for 60k and using the surplus to fix some roads…. The county will sell it for 40k and make up the difference by raising everyone’s taxes.
@Matt-yg8ub Жыл бұрын
@@grahvis Now think about it for a second….the average time it takes for the county to foreclose on unpaid taxes is 5-10 years. Your average Mom and Pop …that’s probably 20-50k, but larger properties and income generating properties that can run 100-400k…….and the condition of the property is typically such that they are auctioned off as-is, sight unseen. If the county IS allowed to take the equity …… you buy a 200k home and rent it out, fail to pay full taxes (throw a few bucks at it to stall) do no maintenance or upkeep, and you can collect $2,500 a month in rent for 9 years or so before gutting the place and selling off everything a month before foreclosure……the county seizes the property, sells it for less than is owed. If the county can’t take the surplus…maybe you don’t gut it before abandoning it and they have to give you the balance. Either way you made 270k in rent and can walk away on top.
@Kaptain13Gonzo Жыл бұрын
This is NOT too long! It is very important. I live in another country that has similar legal history. Property rights are a very fundamental part of our lives and ability to do business. I'm glad you worked through the legal opinion back to the Magna Carta. That is still a seminal piece of law that underpins our current legal systems. Now I get to face a government that wants to "buy back" personal property of mine that they never sold to me - because they want to. I'm waiting for a class action suit to be established to support and donate to. As citizens we need to constantly push back at the cold, dead hand of government. Great piece.
@kennethabbott3856 Жыл бұрын
Wow! I'm impressed by the 6th circuit. I never cease to be amazed and disheartened by the greed and corruption endemic in our "elected" government.
@jbc6980 Жыл бұрын
Your videos aren't too long. The greatest appeal of the show is listening to you tell long-winded stories. This is a great length.
@niyablake Жыл бұрын
THe state will still find a way to keep the cash
@peterhineinlegen4672 Жыл бұрын
Asset forfeiture - real estate edition.
@BastiatC Жыл бұрын
@@peterhineinlegen4672 Yep. The home was used in the commission of a crime. Failure to pay taxes.
@yorkazuna5934 Жыл бұрын
I for one appreciate your indepth coverage of these kinds of stories. Thanks!
@doctorkdsify Жыл бұрын
I realize that sometimes your descriptions may take longer than you wish, but better longer than unclear.
@robertalvarez323 Жыл бұрын
Steve, thank you for work on these videos! Love listening to you almost every day and my boys have gained much knowledge from your presentation and discussion of the law, courts and your experiences! Again thank you!
@darkhelmet4279 Жыл бұрын
Thanks for bringing this important issue to the light. It really is unconscionable! Government is way out of control. Not just Federal I'm talking State and Local too! Wow never thought I'd see this in all my years.
@williamtiebout4142 Жыл бұрын
Steve, no need to apologize for the length of your videos. You have some of the best content on law. You present extremely well. I can listen for as long as it take to get the story told. I do go back and listen to previous presentations, they refresh my memory on certain points that are relevant to something else I heard. Thank you for presenting! You must be entertaining at parties and gatherings.. you tell a good story about anything!
@Nanomachines5on Жыл бұрын
This was a breath of fresh air! Makes me happy to hear individual liberties still hold some weight.
@nicholaspeters6127 Жыл бұрын
Steve the videos are NOT too long, it's great how thoroughly you go through the details!
@shaunb8094 Жыл бұрын
The people absolutely need to standup and make changes happen Our government is out of control! Enough
@anonymous-eg4cq Жыл бұрын
The home I am living in was left in tax forclosure in SC and I bid on it in 2018. After the year of waiting. I discovered 5 deeds to the property. No wonder the county could not find the proper owner and the person who they were billing died 2 months after selling. The only true owner did not register his deed before having 7 guys remodel the home. None had a business license or building permit which helped me because when they got caught they all walked away and I bought the home for $12K. Best investment of my life.
@annelarrybrunelle3570 Жыл бұрын
Fabulous explanation and fabulous decision! Wish more legislators and judges would read the Constitution.
@thisiscompletelyreta Жыл бұрын
Never too long on a good well covered topic. Thank you
@chiefkyle1098 Жыл бұрын
Where I'm from in KY the people in the city government collude with a private company that flips homes. The city will send fine letters to fix petty things, then start putting leans against the deed/title. If the home owner fails to pay the fines or taxes the city will foreclose on the home, sell it to the private flipper for the amount owed (so they don't have to pay the home owner anything), then get a kickback when the home sells on the open market. It is an open secret here.
@kaboom4679 Жыл бұрын
Pretty sure a lot of politicians are turning various shades of fish belly white , realizing that this particular racket may soon be shut down HARD . At least they still have other avenues of theft available , and , the age old standby's ( " it's for your safety / protection " , " think of the children ", etc .. ) . Old scams are the best scams .
@gavinjenkins899Ай бұрын
Why would you turn white just because you cannot continue making free money? You still made a bunch of free money. They'd be somewhat disappointed, not afraid. No consequences will befall them, it's America, you barely have laws at all.
@williamtorp2817 Жыл бұрын
It is always in the property owner's interest to be in contact with a qualified PROPERTY attorney when they get in these situations. (Find a qualified property attorney is often a real problem.)
@Stan_in_Shelton_WA Жыл бұрын
This video needed all the attention you gave it, great work Steve!
@JodyBruchon Жыл бұрын
_"This case is called Hall vs...."_ - I was hoping he'd finish *Oates.* That'd be hilarious.
@hugokatz Жыл бұрын
Don't you just love the Magna Carta. Puts a stop to kleptocratic rule. Thanks for reporting on this. This video was exactly the right length.
@prjndigo Жыл бұрын
One of the tricks that many government entities use is they send out plain envelop stamp/cancel "notice of legal action" such as with code enforcement. So literally it could sit in the mailbox for a week and the contents of the document inside state a deadline of 7 days from the PRINTING of the document or action will be taken. Their choice to plain-paper the letters makes the letters non-binding warnings and the inclusion of a deadline makes them mail fraud. Love the "non profit" money launderer that made more than 30% of the equity.
@GraemePayne1967Marine Жыл бұрын
Accidentally wotching this a second time without remembering I have seen it before. I blame my 7+ decades of life ... I always love it when a court goes back to Magna Carta to slap down an unjust law! And all the other precedents on the way. Reminds me of some of my Constiutuinal Law classes way back in college. And for the importance of the subject matter, this could have been TWICE as long without being "too long".
@BBQDad463 Жыл бұрын
Thank you for this video. Your videos are not too long. Take all the time you need to say what needs to be said. If they do not like it, they can click away. Again: Thank you for this video. Please keep up the good work.
@kingpetra6886 Жыл бұрын
This was good that you cited the history in the decision. People don't have enough appreciation on how Anglo-American law has evolved over the centuries and how deeply embedded our notion of rights are.
@juana7035 Жыл бұрын
Your videos aren't too long. You explain very complicated matters and provide dummy proof explanations, we appreciate it!
@marshabrown8337 Жыл бұрын
Great to know . I will be watching to see how this goes. For the people. Thank you for putting this in the public eye. Take care.
@lkm3s Жыл бұрын
Your longer videos are always worth listening to. Thanks for the work you put into all of your videos. On the topic at hand, I find it really frustrating that the statute of limitations can apply when the law over the span of those years supported the defendants actions and would have meant your case would likely fail.
@thejeepdoctor Жыл бұрын
I don’t mind how long a video is, as long as it’s informative. Never mind the criers Steve and keep up the good work.
@jpnewman1688 Жыл бұрын
How did these bad laws get written? How did the narcissists/sociopaths/psychopaths get power to rule the sheep?
@Fuckyoutubecensorship1 Жыл бұрын
@@jpnewman1688 Because people like you vote them in.
@jeffreymontgomery7516 Жыл бұрын
I'm saving this as an educational glimpse of how bad laws are unmade and how mortgage laws grew out of history..... Amazing video, Steve! Thank you for all the details and information! and as to length of the video? Opening statements can and have run longer than an hour in court..... This synopsis is nothing time-wise, by comparison, and can help people understand things. Thank you for, in essence, donating your time to educate us all!
@robertbowers9856 Жыл бұрын
Your videos are never too long for me. I like to expand my knowledge as my own attorney as I have been succesful several times.
@danielslater4649 Жыл бұрын
No video is too long when the content is interesting and informative!! Please keep up the good work. Thank you
@jeffreywenger281 Жыл бұрын
Fantastic. Finally a reaffirmation from the courts that we really are citizens with rights. I was beginning to wonder.
@ragle8684 Жыл бұрын
Outrageous! I can't imagine the billing on this! Thanks Steve!
@desireegoulett69 Жыл бұрын
There is no short and also comprehensible way that is reasonably even possible that would allow you to be able to adequately first introduce a case and then provide enough additional details for viewers to then be able to comprehend the case law, historical precedence that exists, and then the ruling on that specific case as well as your summary, analysis, and valued opion Steve. The me, me, me, now, now, now demeanor that creates too many people constantly whining in society because of their lack of genuine appreciation, gratitude, and patience is the actual problem. Not the length of your videos which are relatively short and excellent considering the broad array of very complex legal topics you for all of us fortunately choose to share and chime in on. Thanks brother, I sincerly appreciate every minute of what and how you share when you do Steve.
@Nickle314 Жыл бұрын
So lets see. The interest and damages on the $308,000, plus legal fees is going to be way than $22,642. Or perhaps the judge rules that the original closure is reversed, and the property goes back to the owner. Not that the $1 buyer who is in on the fraud will like it.
@SeanBZA Жыл бұрын
Plus every single previous case is going to hurt the state a lot, having to return all the money and interest, plus costs. Perhaps they will go as well after the buyers who did the $1 sale for fraud as well, for buying at an artificially low cost which must mean there is some collusion or kickback involved, and thus no tax was paid on the money.
@Nickle314 Жыл бұрын
@@SeanBZA I didn't think of that. $1 means no tax was paid above that level.
@Br3ttM Жыл бұрын
@@SeanBZA It sounded like a non-profit, and I assume the city itself set it up to basically launder the property so the city could honestly say *they* didn't auction it off, and there is no remainder. No doubt the city board or whatever it has tells that organization what to do with the money it gets from selling that property.
@lperkins2 Жыл бұрын
The local water district about 30 years ago tried to nab a bunch of houses. They had a GC related to one of the board members lined up to buy the houses "at auction", but somehow, the initial bills, the past-due notices, _and_ the auction notices all got "lost in the mail". Fortunately, the rather underpaid secretary took issue with the obvious corruption, and "resent" all the notices with about a week to spare. She lost her job, and then the whole WD board got tossed in the next election.
@GraemePayne1967Marine Жыл бұрын
They got caught -- and paid the price! With luck, maybe they learned not to do bad things.
@lperkins2 Жыл бұрын
@@GraemePayne1967Marine Hardly. I am fairly certain at least one person _did_ miss the last-minute warning, and I believe this was their "exit strategy". They had to know they'd get ousted for the trick, but were likely ready to move on anyway. The problem is there were no further consequences. I'd have to ask my parents if they ultimately managed to nab a house, and defend the ensuing lawsuit, since I was young when this was goign on, and never _understood_ the full details, but I do know there were no penalties (criminal or otherwise) for their attempt.
@oinkoink870 Жыл бұрын
Government had its own benefit by taking and not renumerating balance above what was owed to the person of equity. The crooks want to have their hand in your pocket.
@johnmcquaide9896 Жыл бұрын
Thank you for the long video Steve and thank you to all those who have pursued the case and continue to do so.
@mandolinic Жыл бұрын
I'll just mention that 1215 isn't a long time ago. As I write this, it's about seven and a half hours ago.