CPU style Liquid Cooled CNC Spindle - Onboard & self contained

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sbirdranch

sbirdranch

Күн бұрын

FollowUp: I have used the machine extensively, including a 1hr 50min run and the temperature
never exceeded that of the room. If I was to do this again, I would use a two fan radiator.
~P.
In this video I show you how I implemented a radiator style cooling system for the spindle on a CNC Router.
All the components of the system are carried on the carriage, thereby removing all the
overhead hoses and wires.
Radiator and flow gauge : r.ebay.com/qcYtwQ
Pump and reservoir: amzn.to/2yZTVus
Silver sliver: amzn.to/2gXYLEj
This modification came from a comment in my Lessons Learned video. @King Red Leg suggested
the idea of using a closed loop computer cooling type hardware and it is working great.

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@datalorian
@datalorian 7 жыл бұрын
This is a great idea @King Red Leg, and very well executed by you, Preston. Great video!
@TomZelickman
@TomZelickman 7 жыл бұрын
Nice job, Preston! That's a rather efficient setup you have there now. Love that you were able to get a suggestion like that and really run with it. Best wishes, Tom Z
@jwalrath
@jwalrath 7 жыл бұрын
Really nice setup and amazing how cool it stays now! Awesome work...
@sbirdranch
@sbirdranch 7 жыл бұрын
It never got warm in the past and hind sight would have a 2 fan unit for sure. Maybe someday I will run into one and swap it out. If I used really large diameter cutters it might generate more heat but I don't think it would be enough to matter.... Funny story...on one of the first test runs, where the spindle and cooling were running with no cutting, the temp was going up. I realized that the spindle was colder than the room and the system was bringing it up to temp to match.
@JeffRine
@JeffRine 6 жыл бұрын
I really liked this video. Found it on RouterForums.com. I have been wanting to get into CNC but not really a fan of the router noise. Glad to see there is an alternative. Really cool!
@jimhal5553
@jimhal5553 3 жыл бұрын
Another method for keeping things from growing in your cooling system is a flow through UV sterilizer for an aquarium. They work GREAT and no additives for the coolant. You can set it up to run on a timer too so it isn't on all the time.
@randomguy7503
@randomguy7503 7 жыл бұрын
I'm doing a lot of PC water cooling... We always run the pump for 12-48 hours to remove air. There are some additives you can add to your water to prevent bacteria growth...
@anarchyrider
@anarchyrider 2 жыл бұрын
Great idea and a great set up !
@cchobbyfun
@cchobbyfun 2 жыл бұрын
Super helpful video!
@jamesnewman5341
@jamesnewman5341 6 жыл бұрын
I mean for the air. I run cnc machines in a mainly wood shop, and most cnc machines (and most computers) have a negative pressure in the case, which leads to air leaks into the case, which leads to an unbelievable amount of dust in the case. your set-up doesn't have a case per se, but the fan will get full of dust in a big hurry with no filter.
7 жыл бұрын
love the vids
@blackmennewstyle
@blackmennewstyle 4 жыл бұрын
Very nice project and quite nicely performed. I have a question about, what kind of material(s) the water/liquid coolant is being in contact with, in the spindle? The reason i am asking is because, those PC radiators are most of the time made of copper and copper doesn't play well with aluminium in a water-cooling loop. Have a great weekend and stay safe during that human malware pandemic outbreak
@rok1475
@rok1475 3 жыл бұрын
Looks good but it is still unknown if this cooler will keep a spindle running for hours under full load cool enough. I would rather swap the cable carriers for bigger ones and run the water lines to a circulation pump. If the temperature goes up you dump some ice into the bucket without interrupting the job. Anyway, diluted glycol-based radiator fluid does a good job in preventing things to grow in closed-circuit cooling systems.
@bullshitvendor
@bullshitvendor Жыл бұрын
if you run the fans in pull-config it ll be less frustrating to clean off the dust accumulating on the radiator. in push-config all dust cakeas up under inbetween the fans and the rad
@donsigurdson2617
@donsigurdson2617 6 жыл бұрын
Where did you get your flow meter and temp gage ? Really nice set up. I am doing a 2 core as per your advice. Thanks
@sbirdranch
@sbirdranch 6 жыл бұрын
They came as a set. There is an Amazon link in the description. Thanks and good luck in your build.
@wout_vanhims
@wout_vanhims Ай бұрын
Very smart idea. Im thinking to do the same on my cnc. Does it overheat after eg 1hour running cnc spindle?
@vonster22
@vonster22 Жыл бұрын
you should use waterless coolant evans high performance engine coolant.. they use it in radiators of race cars and it is used in airplanes,,,it wont corode like water can, it wont evaporate etc. i use it in my bmw and my cpu cooler.
@sitgesvillaapartmentneilsc7924
@sitgesvillaapartmentneilsc7924 4 жыл бұрын
I am currently building a much smaller CNC to your magnificent machine, mines a Open builds1075 with a 1.5 kw 65mm OD water spindle with VFD and I notice that you said that if you built this again you would only use a two fan radiator, can I assume your spindle is a larger 2.2 kw or larger still. I am looking at this and was not sure as the pumps that come with the spindles as part of a spindle/vfd kit have a throughput of 3000 litres an hour with 75 watt pump but the little reservoir you are using runs a much lower pump and seems to be working on your machine even under load very well......probably only pusing 500 litres or so.... I wont be working on anything other than wood or plastics so wondered about using just either a two fan unit or even a 1 fan unit, I have seen the little flow meter and temperature gauge, one other question do you have anything wired into your system in the event of pump failure that will stop the spindle or prevent it overheating. I realize the flow meter is a visual indicator but if you were to run say a 5 or 6 hour long job and left the machine and God forbid the little chinese impeller pump fails what would stop your machine from overheating and killing the spindle, VFD etc, I just wondered if you had a protection circuit in there anywhere to kick in if cooling failed? I love the idea of the closed loop mini pressurised system to avoid all the pipes , I would probably use a refrigerant in it for several reasons one it does stop freezing just in case and it does protect the system by neutralising any water issues and finally it should allow the water to act more like that in a car system and change the temperature of how the water heats, although on this we are talking about much lower temperatures. the main concern for me is the risk of overheating if the circuit fails and I cant see any protection for that in your system, I dont know whether you leave your cnc on its own ever but that to me is a major concern looking at the type of investment you have in your shop. Just something like this would add protection possibly? Or an overheat alarm? www.ebay.co.uk/itm/12V-20A-Digital-Thermostat-Temp-Relay-Control-Temperature-Controller-w-Sensor/132591995870?hash=item1edf194bde:g:CN8AAOSwnada2zkW Thanks for the video , its given me great ideas for my own little cnc just have to microsize it a bit down though.......still not sure on one or two fans though!! The only thing I might do is mont mine on the wall behind the cnc and have a couple of longer pipes simply as your Gantry is very large compared to my c beam and I am concerned on the additional weight along with the spindle. Im not too worried about the hoses but I like the closed loop to keep out the crud from the water etc and save changing it all the time. thanks
@bratwizard
@bratwizard 2 жыл бұрын
Maybe you could add some gold fish and turn it into an aquarium... :-) :-) :-) Nice video, thanks for showing it off. I've got nearly the same set up and have been putting off doing the mod. One actual question-- are you not worried about wood / metal dust getting up into the radiator over time? That's one of the things that's been on my mind making me hesitant to move forward.
@schwartzenheimer1
@schwartzenheimer1 7 жыл бұрын
Don't forget to re-tune the x and y motors, since they now have much more mass to accelerate...
@funone8716
@funone8716 Жыл бұрын
LOL
@philipgooch676
@philipgooch676 4 жыл бұрын
What's the adapter from the tubing to the spindle?
@eugenkrause5556
@eugenkrause5556 6 жыл бұрын
Is that Radiator aluminum? What if that spindle has a copper heat sink in it! In PC cooling we try to keep those 2 apart because of eventual galvanic corrosion. But it's less trouble if that happens here I suppose. No electronics you're going to fry. yea, i hear those Chinese pumps suck big time. You also need to to have them full of water before you start running them. Even testing them in open air for a few seconds can damage things. They need water as lubricant.
@jffsprs
@jffsprs 5 жыл бұрын
Hello: Your LED Thermometer 3 Way Flow Meter FlowMeter that you are using, says it uses DC 5v. Your Cooling fans and Pump are DC 12v. What are you using for your DC 5v power? Do you have 2 separate power supplies or one with the DC 12v and 5v options? If so could you state which Brand/model? Love the video and thank you.
@sbirdranch
@sbirdranch 5 жыл бұрын
That is correct. I have two. The original reason for the 12v is to power the fans on the control box.
@ColinMacKenzieRobots
@ColinMacKenzieRobots 7 жыл бұрын
You're right to add silver, any concern over rust in the motor since it is water though? Shouldnt you have some glycol or anti-freeze in there to prevent corrosion?
@sbirdranch
@sbirdranch 7 жыл бұрын
Good question. I hadn't thought of that. I used to run RV anti freeze and plan to go back to it this winter.
@ModulArt22
@ModulArt22 Жыл бұрын
Great proyect!! I'm still using a 20L bucket that takes a lot of space. Been looking for some radiator, but when look it up someone told me to be aware for it might get galvanic currents, is that so? Are you having problem with oxide? PLease tell me so i can update mine. Thanks!
@sbirdranch
@sbirdranch Жыл бұрын
I am having zero problems. No visible corrosion and the water has remained crystal clear even with it in some indirect sunlight. I figured it would grow something but never has. I credit the silver in the water.
@sitgesvillaapartmentneilsc7924
@sitgesvillaapartmentneilsc7924 4 жыл бұрын
really good and i want to do this but how did you get the 4 pin pump running with out a motherboard powering it please?
@sbirdranch
@sbirdranch 4 жыл бұрын
It has a 4 pin connector but only uses 2. A positive and a negative 12v leed.
@sitgesvillaapartmentneilsc7924
@sitgesvillaapartmentneilsc7924 4 жыл бұрын
@@sbirdranch so you just removed the connector and used two wires? It didn't have 4 like most of these pumps and then wouldn't work, as there is no motherboard, the reason I ask as this is the only pump i can get over here in europe where I have heard you say you can do this so if it is only 2 wires it would be perfect for my machine or if its more more than two could you briefly explain what you did to get the pump working if you can remember please, I am building the same setup following your setup but with two radiators as my spindle is smaller and this is the only thing holding me up trying to find basically a two wire pump that is more than 300 litres per hour as that is not enough for the spindle, many thanks for any help again. Neil
@stumpy1495
@stumpy1495 7 жыл бұрын
How does it handle dust from the work clogging the radiator? Do you need to clean it very often?
@sbirdranch
@sbirdranch 7 жыл бұрын
I honestly haven't had it running long enough to say. It is shielded from any direct chips so it will be ambient dust like gets on everything else including the control computer. I cut out the piece of footage where I talked about maybe putting a piece of foam filter over the fans if it becomes necessary. As of right now I think a periodic (like 6 months or more) hit with compressed air will be sufficient. If that turns out to be wrong, I'll update you.
@stevenrichardson7882
@stevenrichardson7882 4 жыл бұрын
Hi, just come across this video and it’s exactly what I need but since it’s a few years old can you tell me if it’s still in use and also what liquid or type of water do you use? Thanks, Steve in the UK...
@sbirdranch
@sbirdranch 4 жыл бұрын
Hey Steve. It is still in use and working perfect. If i did it again I would only use a two fan radiator. 2 would be enough. 3 is just overkill. I use distilled water with a silver sliver in it. The silver prevents growth. I haven't had to change the water yet due to algae.
@stevenrichardson7882
@stevenrichardson7882 4 жыл бұрын
sbirdranch morning and thanks for replying. Overkill is better than a seized spindle 👍 I need to look into the silver sliver, I’ve never heard of it or what it does but thanks..
@stevenrichardson7882
@stevenrichardson7882 4 жыл бұрын
Hi again, I’m trying to source a water pump similar to yours but I’m struggling in the uk so is it possible to send details? Thanks in advance. Steve...
@mcolasante1
@mcolasante1 5 жыл бұрын
I want to do something similar for my CNC router. How is this system holding up for you now that 1 1/2 years have passed? Is the pump still working?
@sbirdranch
@sbirdranch 5 жыл бұрын
Still doing well. I moved things around a little putting the sump at the highest point for filling and making the inlet and outlet on the flow meter horizontal so as to not trap a bubble. If i did it again I would use a two fan radiator. Good luck.
@ronaldmr2
@ronaldmr2 5 жыл бұрын
Hello, yes, i have a very important question, i was hoping to get an answer from someone here in the US, i installed a PC water cooling system on that machine, before that my previous VFD and Spindle were working fine, after i got the water lines run properly, i went ahead and started the spindle, it made an electrical short inside, i turned off, checked all the wires on the spindle plug, they were fine , i started the VFD again, and the VFD blew by an electrical short too, now is that have something to do with the water system making that short? is that water touching the internal components at some point that could be the cause of that short on both units? Please let me know because i already ordered a new set, 220v VFD and 220v 2.2KW water cooled Spindle and i don't want the new set to blow again! im building this machine myself so all the info will be appreciated thanks!!!
@sbirdranch
@sbirdranch 5 жыл бұрын
That short had nothing to do with this type of cooling. Mine still works great. Sounds like there was a leak in the water sleave. Had you been running coolant before or was this the first time?
@bobheadzeek
@bobheadzeek Жыл бұрын
How's the cpu cooling holding up?
@sbirdranch
@sbirdranch Жыл бұрын
Still doing well.
@GrantCassar
@GrantCassar 4 жыл бұрын
Oh so you would have a smaller Radiator?
@sbirdranch
@sbirdranch 4 жыл бұрын
Yes. I would use one that fits two fans, not 3. It would be enough to do the job.
@jamesnewman5341
@jamesnewman5341 6 жыл бұрын
I notice no filter?
@sbirdranch
@sbirdranch 6 жыл бұрын
Never crossed my mind using a closed loop system. ~P
@MilanPotterSmith
@MilanPotterSmith 7 жыл бұрын
very similar set up to me, have a look at mrpottersmith on instagram. im using a single fan radiator and it works really well. nice work man
@sbirdranch
@sbirdranch 7 жыл бұрын
Following...Saucy lights and colored fluid. Gotta love a little bling. Nice looking setup. I like how it is sitting sideways. How big is your spindle. Mine is a 2.2kw. P.
@MilanPotterSmith
@MilanPotterSmith 7 жыл бұрын
haha thanks. mine is also 2.2kw
@avt-CNC
@avt-CNC 8 ай бұрын
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