Craftbot FLOW IDEX XL 3D Printer Review

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3 жыл бұрын

This huge 3D Printer is one of the smartest I've ever reviewed - but can it live up to expectations and justify its high price tag?
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This review has been a long time in the making, with Craftbot continually improving the FLOW series. I'll be using this 3D Printer in future projects on the channel and keep you updated on its performance going forward.
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@OutOfNamesToChoose 3 жыл бұрын

11:02 "CBpikachu_final_final_final_ohgodpls200..." With a file name like that, we believe you when you say it was frustrating 😂

@CineZoneYT 3 жыл бұрын

lol

@user-vy5hc9ud6l 3 жыл бұрын

Haha

@Grumplefut 3 жыл бұрын

Lol this reminds me of my test files on the CNC, They gradually go from descriptions to curse words

@3DPrintingNerd 3 жыл бұрын

Really appreciate all the time and thought you put into this one, Angus.

@MakersMuse 3 жыл бұрын

I'm glad they got it to where it is but man was it a journey! lol

@UPsideDOWNworld321 3 жыл бұрын

Who is this nerd guy lol hahah I am sub to you also big old nerd you

@auxchar 3 жыл бұрын

@@MakersMuse Can I just say I'm really happy with how much cross-polination there is in the 3D printuber community there is? I think it's really awesome how much you guys support each other.

@Minecol5 3 жыл бұрын

Hi Joel!

@3DPrintingNerd 3 жыл бұрын

@@Minecol5 Hi!

@whatfor5 3 жыл бұрын

It is the kind of time, effort, honesty, and transparency you put into these reviews that keep me coming back to your channel again and again. Not having even the vaguest commercial interest in a 4,000$ large-scale open "PLA only" printer, nobody else would get me to sit through an almost 20 minute review. In short, thank you!

@grahamserle7930 3 жыл бұрын

Integrity is the most important value one can have in life. I love your reviews because they are balanced and tell us the good and the bad. So often these days that's not the case, especially when freebies and other incentives are at play. To be able to trust an unbiased review is super important. Cheers.

@Kasatome 3 жыл бұрын

Mirroring is great for parts that actually need to be mirrored in a structural application. This seems to be interesting.

@Creophilia 3 жыл бұрын

Exactly! Was wondering why he didn't see the possibilites with mirroring. In a lot of assembled 3D printed parts you often need a mirrored component

@chrismofer 3 жыл бұрын

i print little brackets that are mirror images of eachother for bolting power supplies to plates at my workplace. very cool that it not only does parallel printing but mirror.

@jasonking7570 3 жыл бұрын

Yeah, but in a lot of situations where mirrors of printed parts are needed, the parts themselves will be labeled to set them apart and prevent mix up, such as having an R or L to signify left and right. Mirror mode does seem to have its uses, but basically any model that has some kind of text, logo, or anything like that, mirror mode won't be as effective

@NomaddUK 3 жыл бұрын

As always Angus, an accurate no holds barred review. Craftbot are hopefully happy with the review as it is fair and unbiased. They now also have a path to follow to make other buyers happy. Well done.

@erikhellman3974 3 жыл бұрын

Angus: Well about the price, are you sitting down? Me: Yes Angus: 4000 euros Me: Now I am lying down

@Vatharian 3 жыл бұрын

Given how much Prusa i3 costs, that's not that off the charts. If it works, of course. Feature wise it's absolute killer.

@ericruiz4584 3 жыл бұрын

Im in too gaming computers a million dollars doesn't surprise me anymore 😂😂😂

@Timestamp_Guy 3 жыл бұрын

It's crazy how much the world has changed. Does anyone remember what a Stratasys cost back in 2005? We're so spoiled now.

@warwicksworkshop9511 3 жыл бұрын

For the best part of AUD8,000, not being flawless OOTB is a TOTAL dealbreaker.

@Dancer148 3 жыл бұрын

3Dprinters independent dual head extruders with large print area are available 10 times cheaper! Also not that heavy! Educational video though recognizing identical print options.

@n8rtotplayz647 3 жыл бұрын

Great work Angus! Your reviews are great for many reasons, the details, pros and con are among them.

@MrPhouky 3 жыл бұрын

I like the way how you're honest during your reviews. Thanks for that.

@fivoasia64 3 жыл бұрын

I really appreciate the completeness of this review. Well received.

@FusionSource 3 жыл бұрын

Great video Angus, awesome looking machine. Thanks for sharing.

@ZebraandDonkey 3 жыл бұрын

Great review and thanks for taking the time to do the thorough review.

@pnamajck 3 жыл бұрын

very thorough review, sir … thanks for being so candid and non-biased.

@carbide1968 3 жыл бұрын

Nice to see you do a review once and while.

@bryansiepert9222 3 жыл бұрын

Great work. Thanks for slogging through the testing!

@MrGTAfan93 3 жыл бұрын

I'm really happy to see such "inventions" coming from my small country, and thank you for this very well put together review, i really love your channel, it has great content, keep it up! 🇭🇺

@MrMathewSquire 3 жыл бұрын

Great review Angus, thank you.

@jorg261 3 жыл бұрын

Thank you for the candid review of index machines with the tenlog copymaster and the flow.

@Antilleotheclown 3 жыл бұрын

Thank you for always providing the best videos with the most informative information.

@timothybolton7852 3 жыл бұрын

Great review brother thank you. Hope all is well.

@DavePinnock 3 жыл бұрын

What a great review, thanks for your time and effort on this Angus. This printer is never going to be one I consider due to the price yet I still watched through to the end just to see your review. So refreshing on KZfaq these days to have someone make an honest review and point out the negatives as well as the positives. Would love to see some more parrot puzzle video's too :-D

@bonafide9085 3 жыл бұрын

Not only considering the time span, this is a superb review!

@choschiba 3 жыл бұрын

Thank you very much for this really excellent in deep review! I never reviewed my Craftbot 3 for some of the the reasons you have mentioned in this video. But I was able to solve most of them by tinkering. Maybe I should still create a video about my long term experience ☺️

@dubi01 3 жыл бұрын

Angus, another great review!

@iananderson3925 3 жыл бұрын

Just got a Flsun Q5 to go along with my ender 3 and I absolutely love it, you were the reason why I decided to get into 3d printing

@einsteinx2 3 жыл бұрын

The Flsun Q5 is a great little printer! Deltas print so fast even at the “same” print speed thanks to the way faster acceleration and jerk it’s nuts. I still want to further upgrade the part cooling (more than just replacing the air guide) but otherwise it’s been fantastic for me, especially since I got it upgraded to the latest Marlin 2.0.6 firmware.

@fuse3d 3 жыл бұрын

Great video Angus and fair. I would like to point that the FW update has improved things dramatically. I have a Simplify 3D profile working very nicely with dual colour printing. Perhaps a short follow up video once you have tried the dual colour update further?

@Josa192 3 жыл бұрын

Thx for the review. Great work!

@armandoa2484 3 жыл бұрын

As usual, excellent video! Thanks

@ethansdad3d 3 жыл бұрын

Seems like an awesome printer. Can't wait for the software to catch up.

@bleepbloopblahp 3 жыл бұрын

Alright ya got me, Thumbs up and a sub. I enjoy your content mate. Quite informative and you do a good job on presentation and the videos are well edited.

@behindtheseeyesiseewhatyou8953 3 жыл бұрын

Thanks for the vid. I’m just learning about printers and you’ve helped a lot!

@SigmaJAD 3 жыл бұрын

Brilliant video - as always.

@Hyper5nic 3 жыл бұрын

Amazing printer and fantastic review, but wait. I haven't seen the end of this yet! ;-) Big thumbs up!

@dragonstyneenterprises5344 3 жыл бұрын

Thanks Angus, this one was a tough review. Great job. I’ll have to check out Joel’s perspective.

@Thatdavemarsh 3 жыл бұрын

Good stuff. Enjoyed the review. Subscribed.

@nova3d173 3 жыл бұрын

It's really a nice review about the big FDM printer.

@grantdeisig1360 3 жыл бұрын

Thank you Angus, been waiting for your review video. I've been really interested in this same printer. But I only want it for the dual extrusion, and if thats buggy, I think I'll just wait. Great video, thanks again. 👍

@fuse3d 3 жыл бұрын

Fixed I have a working Simplify 3D profile

@damiencutrupi4411 3 жыл бұрын

Yes we appreciate your hard work

@dirtpoorchris 3 жыл бұрын

I could see the double extruders being really good for weaving in stuff into your item. Like making clear windows on your item or adding glow in the dark parts without having to ever switch spools. Or just using 2 colors in general. Or making special weaved patterns.

@joshgworks 3 жыл бұрын

Thanks, very comprehensive and really helpful.

@Bajicoy 3 жыл бұрын

The future of IDEX is looking bright, good to see craftware is hard at work to improve themselves, should have been perfect out of the box. Still looks cool and a good choice for a professional environment.

@dennishedrick5308 3 жыл бұрын

Thanks for the review

@jadewu3823 3 жыл бұрын

Thanks for the video. More and more people should know IDEX 3D printer now.

@corty1980 3 жыл бұрын

Mate great honest review Angus. My very first printer was a CreatBot which had a large build area for the day, it was 250 (X,Y) and 450(Z) and came with dual extruders which I never ended up using as I could never get it right. I also never used the full height of the Z axis as it would take along time to do large prints, from memory the longest print was 3 days and was for Mario & Luigi charaters which was with a .4 nozzle.

@stevef 3 жыл бұрын

Really great review. I know this took a while to do. It would be really interesting to see this head to head with the Ultimaker S5.

@xario2007 3 жыл бұрын

The Anti-Oloid is amazing!!!

@marcelmais6430 3 жыл бұрын

Is it the best printer? hmm, well... lets get started! BTW im working at ExOne and love your videos, watched the whole thing. Thx Angus!

@avejst 3 жыл бұрын

Interesting video as always Thanks for sharing :-)

@lornetontegode6986 3 жыл бұрын

It would be nice to see a follow up to this review now that the teething pains for Craftbot have passed. I have one and love it. Regarding the mirror mode being a party trick think of it this way. A company builds a cool IDEX printer and includes Duplicate mode, Backup mode, and Support/Build material mode from each head. They put it to market. Reviewer gets it and says "guys, you've literally got two independent heads, how hard would it be to write a simple bit of code and have it mirrored?" Damned if they do and damned if they don't I guess. For me personally, it has a lot of uses in industrial applications or just one large symmetrical part split down the middle.

@marufhasan9365 3 жыл бұрын

Great review.

@freemansfreedom8595 3 жыл бұрын

10:00 If the mirror mode works as it seem it does, and you use 3d printing to make actual pieces for use in real life projects, it is far less of a party trick that it might seem. From what I've done in metalworking, it is quite common to machine both the drawn part and the symmetric part. So, it should be incredibly nice to produce both of them at the same time, a single slice and all.

@freemanone87 3 жыл бұрын

Mirror mode: you could have print your headphone holder both sides at the same time.

@MakersMuse 3 жыл бұрын

heh suppose that's a niche use! yeah :D

@deingolfcabrio 3 жыл бұрын

AND you didn't have to design both halves, but only one

@Real28 3 жыл бұрын

@@MakersMuse not as niche as you might think. Lots of things are made in halves. I can think of tons of cosplay uses where you'd save time by just designing one half and letting this printer do the work.

@theshadowman1398 3 жыл бұрын

You can do that on every printer out there. Just cut the model in two with plane cut and place them both on the builplate in cura.

@motordude67 3 жыл бұрын

Or you can mirror the model in CAD. Takes 5 seconds.

@spikekent 3 жыл бұрын

Great review as always Angus. Sure, it's clearly a decent printer, but when I see stuff like this, my first thought is ... "Surely I can build that?" I did the same after a week of getting my very first printer (DaVinci) and still doing it. No plans on doing that with this one though, I have all I need at the mo.

@keithgwhite 3 жыл бұрын

I have been using the Flsun QQS for over 2 years and it still prints flawlessly. My secret to no layer separation and stellar prints is the filament I use. ST-PLA

@handlemissing 3 жыл бұрын

At those prices, they should include the operpriced doors.

@kayakMike1000 3 жыл бұрын

You do very good work

@OldCurmudgeon3DP 3 жыл бұрын

"The more you overthink the plumbing, the easier it is to stop up the drain" - Montgomery Scott

@chooseymomschoose 3 жыл бұрын

Yeah, OK, Roddenberry. Y'all act like a few position sensors and a decent software package are some kind of automation overload. Ever worked on cars? This is preschool in comparison. 3D printers are not complex machines, and they are in desperate need of QOL improvements. This machine offers the bare minimum functionality to serve as a usable appliance. Nobody is manually adjusting print heads and setting voltages in their laserjets. Why do we put up with this constant adjustment crap in 3D printers? Answer: They know you nerds will troubleshoot it for them.

@JrPlays 3 жыл бұрын

chooseymomschoose Okay a couple question. Firstly who hurt you this bad to fuel this much anger/frustration in a comment. Also no one said 3D printing is so complex compared to putting together an engine I don’t see any comments so far from my scrolling so huh? And isn’t that how all products improve over time, people who are passionate will take things into their own hands and try their best to work with what they got. Hence a 3D printer that may not being working at its best, wait for a whole new one to come out or try your best to learn and fix it. No one is saying these are so complex and gcode is so complex so seriously man where is this anger come from. Don’t you find it great how a community can be built around anything (cars, 3dprinters, etc) that the community wants to upgrade. With that logic there is no point to working on a car, they are not complex machines just buy one and use it, just take it to the dealer when it needs servicing. Or you can work on it yourself as you said. So why do you work on cars if you can take it to a shop or dealership. Because you enjoy the community and it’s a fun job/hobby/whatever to you. Again where is this anger coming from

@HiddenWindshield 3 жыл бұрын

@@chooseymomschoose Yes, in point of fact you *did* see people manually adjusting print head settings in their printers... back when they first came out. As with any form of engineering, you need real-world experience and testing to improve your product.

@jameel1058 3 жыл бұрын

Looks so big and nice

@awo1fman 3 жыл бұрын

Seems like mirror mode should cancel some of the vibrations/inertial motion, at least on the one axis.

@owensparks5013 3 жыл бұрын

Mirror mode really useful for handed parts, and less cad too. Genuine useful feature imho.

@SplicesAndCelluloid 3 жыл бұрын

Printer Name: "BIGCHUNGUS" I appreciate that Angus :)

@juantristan_la_muerte 3 жыл бұрын

totally

@JohnPorsbjerg 3 жыл бұрын

mirrored mode seems super nice, you can print symmetrical models twice as fast! I use 3d printing for props so i don't mind having to glue things together since I'll be sanding and priming and painting them anyway

@picsi-software 3 жыл бұрын

Angus, you is getting thik boy! :)

@alexandredeoliveira8075 3 жыл бұрын

I think mirror mode can be a good thing when printing fast, both heads going in a different direction at the same speed, they balance the acceleration of each other, making a neutral "action reaction" movement. I don't know if that makes sense...

@lawlerzwtf 3 жыл бұрын

Yes, ideally the opposite movements would cancel out the vibration caused by each extruder on the X axis.

@edwardaaronmanuel9348 3 жыл бұрын

I agree. Mirror Mode can also be great for printing projects that are symmetrical.

@merlinmagnus873 3 жыл бұрын

Only in the X axis though. You have twice the mass moving in the Y axis.

@peterc5512 3 жыл бұрын

To fully balance accelerations you would need a quad mirror mode and another pair of extruders 😎

@martylawson1638 3 жыл бұрын

Yea, PrusaSlicer works best for dual color on my IDEX. Just tried Cura again, and it now does 0-gap supports, but still messes up the re-start extrusion and z-hop sequencing when changing tools. (PETG on PLA is awesome)

@masklavier 3 жыл бұрын

Dude that’s one sick keyboard

@C-M-E 3 жыл бұрын

Speaking of things needing a fix that shouldn't, I finally broke my last replacement print head spare for my big delta and had to go on a hunt for more. Long story short, having a somewhat proprietary effector plate is a massive pain even if it's "supposed to" take standard upgrade parts, which are slightly more difficult to score during our lovely covid era. Yeah... That's easy to fix if you have more than one machine that isn't in a pile of parts and wires. Note to self: get a back-up machine. 3 months later after finding said parts and import/customs waiting, she lives once again!!!

@ericslingerland5472 3 жыл бұрын

I think 3d printing technology is amazing, and i am really excited for the future of it. My biggest regret is that I dont really have a use case for them personally so i just cant justify getting one as cool as i think they are. I am not particularly entrepreneurial or creative in a artistic or crafts sense. Just going to enjoy watching these kind of videos instead

@dim1723 3 жыл бұрын

Sign of the times... Please press the like button it's free. Good work on the review and all the work you put into it.

@astasna 3 жыл бұрын

Good job !

@calaban9 3 жыл бұрын

I have the flash forge creator 3 and I do use it’s mirror mode fairly often to print mirrored dungeon and terrain tiles for gloomhaven and D&D . Right and left angled walls are common. So a little more than a party trick for me. Thanks

@finnowens3025 3 жыл бұрын

I just got my first 3D printer I love it

@animefreak7098 3 жыл бұрын

I love the filenames at 11:00 CBpikachu final final final ohgodpls lmao

@jmanzemail 3 жыл бұрын

Has a way to go... Hmmm... Yeah! FLASHFORGE does IDEX RIGHT! Creator Pro 2 IS Creator MAX 2 btw... Let's not overspend and simply go for what is biggest and "best"? Let's stay on budget and stick with what we need for where we are at now and a "bit more" capable is a GREAT way to go! Try to have your project or projects and workflow together like this Gentleman Angus here does! REALLY nice to see such a TREMENDOUS 3D APPROACH and PERSPECTIVE on this awesome Channel! LOVE what you put out Sir! Such good work really... You give us ALL something to aspire to! Thank you for ALL you do for the 3D Printing Community and I truly wish you AllBests!!!! AAAA++++

@blumdrawer Жыл бұрын

I have to say your reviews are fantastic! I bought this machine nearly 2 years ago, seduced by what it claimed it could do. I was reassured that all the problems had been ironed out, but no. The service was appalling. The machine a nightmare. I had every problem listed here, and all the problems highlighted on the 3d Printing Nerd channel. The BIG difference. Craftbot did not and would not replace the machine with a new working one. After 18 months and endless hassle they (very very reluctantly) took back the machine and refunded me. This is NOT a plug and play machine. If you are good at 3d printing and know how to fiddle about and make adjustments to the slicer etc, this can be a good machine, BUT if you are not experience keep well away. There are lots of known problems they will not admit to. On paper it is great, but it does not live up to that.

@IHateCopperGolems 3 жыл бұрын

Angus: Craftbot Screen: CraftBot Video title: CraftBot CraftBot: CraftBot My brain: Crock Pot

@mattstroker3742 3 жыл бұрын

Subbed, liked, shared on request because of the work you put in. And rang the bell. ;-)

@abstractapproach634 3 жыл бұрын

This man is a bad*ss, sent a $4000 printer and doesn't hold back on the criticism. You got the sub brother.

@krugtech 3 жыл бұрын

nice review. I'd use mirror mode to do things like print the left and right half of a symmetrical model, like both halves of a car.

@hendo420 3 жыл бұрын

Cura works very well with multicolor prints. You need to be setting standby temp. If you set standby temp around 150c it won't ooze. You can also set Extruder End Gcode to park the nozzle over your purge area and it will drop it to 150c and be ready for the next layer.

@jimberg98 3 жыл бұрын

Marlin 2 has a corner leveling feature that you can enable for the LCD where it probes the corners to find the one that is closest to the probe. It then moves to the other three at that height and waits for you to turn the knob until the probe triggers. The process is much more reliable than the piece of paper method. You have to enable it in Marlin to make it available. I cut the probing speed in half to improve the accuracy. Turn all of your knobs until they get more difficult to turn before you start the process.

@bonafide9085 3 жыл бұрын

I have craftbot flow idex and it is the best printer I ever had.

@Taneth 3 жыл бұрын

Actually mirror mode sounds really useful for things that need to be made in halves or matched pairs.

@PaulLemars01 3 жыл бұрын

Great review Angus as always. Would you please do a current review of Octoprint. I say this because Octoprint is new to me and I was blown away with how easy it is to implement and it gives you most of the functionality of this printer. I bought a Rasperry Pi 4, download the Octoprint image for it and just plugged it into my CR-10. I didn't bother with the R-Pi WiFi since I have wired Ethernet throughout my house even in my garage. I've now relocated my other printers to the garage and I monitor them via webcam and their interface pages on my browser toolbar. Octoprint has been around for a while and I just feel a quick review by your esteemed self would be useful to a lot of people.

@zamundaaa776 3 жыл бұрын

Yeah, it's quite weird, it's one of the most important and useful things for 3D printing and a channel all about 3D printing doesn't have a video about it. Octoprint is awesome! Btw if you haven't noticed that yet, there is a few apps for Octoprint on the Play Store. Only occurred last week to me (after having used Octoprint for like 2 years) that there could be an app for it...

@antipastamony 3 жыл бұрын

We have to print mirrored parts for robotics quite a lot, so there's a use case for mirror mode. While it's not super useful for most hobby projects, there are certainly applications where it could come in handy.

@erbse 3 жыл бұрын

I think the most interesting thing about a dual extruder printer is the ability to use a water soluble filament like PVA for supports. No more mechanical work required to remove the supports!

@robbymitdergulle3201 3 жыл бұрын

I like how you called your CraftBot "Big Chungus" lol

@Fasteroid 3 жыл бұрын

BIGCHUNGUS

@wapplee2310 3 жыл бұрын

yesss

@Fazorplays 3 жыл бұрын

Yes...

@mikecicciari845 3 жыл бұрын

The more I see these huge expensive, fancy, fdm printers - the more happy I am with my lil elegoo mars lol. Once they have huge scale resin printers, its gonna be the future.

@jessek2541 3 жыл бұрын

This sounds like it fills a similar niche as the Raise3D Pro2 (same price range, large build volume, touch screen, wireless printing and monitoring, dual extrusion, lots of sensors). At our office we've found it to be very reliable for PLA and the included slicer (Ideamaker) works smoothly for single and dual. Maybe they'd send you one ;)

@A1N0 3 жыл бұрын

I'm looking at the Raise3d E2 to replace my Craftbot 3 piece of junk.

@tavarisjones551 3 жыл бұрын

advantage of mirror mode over parallel mode is you can print the left side and right side at the same time. i.e. if you printed your left shoe, parallel mode would give you 2 left shoes and mirror mode would give you a left and a right shoe.

@ajosepi1976 3 жыл бұрын

I print a lot of mirrored parts and think that feature would be useful for me, but I am still happy with my Printrbot Plus Metals, so not likely getting one of these. It's cool though. Good video.

@Big-Secret 3 жыл бұрын

Mirror mode is phenomenal for parts. If I need a bracket, I make the left side, mirror it, and I have the right.

@epicdrew1634 3 жыл бұрын

Nice print

@whatisyouremailid 3 жыл бұрын

I want that Tshirt man !

@cole2526 3 жыл бұрын

Imagine making an amazing printer with great and wanted features, then paying an ape to badly copy a slicer from github

@A1N0 3 жыл бұрын

So the Craftbot 3 had this great feature that actually measure the filament into the extruder to detect a problem. Sounds good if it actually worked. Instead it often constantly thinks there is a blockage when there isn't which causes its own problem.

@kristhetimetraveller3120 3 жыл бұрын

That's the price you pay for not adding to and improving open source projects already on the market

@nottelling6598 3 жыл бұрын

Considering all the monitoring of positions, the fixed camera position, and a static background, it should be pretty easy to us image recognition to identify failed prints. I kinda doubt its onboard computers can handle that, but it's already set up to send and receive data.

@logiclrd 3 жыл бұрын

Any time you have an object that you need two of, one for the left and one for the right, the mirror mode seems quite useful. If you don't need that, then it doesn't serve a purpose, but if you have that kind of symmetry in what you're building, I don't think it's just a party trick :-)

@estenberg2 3 жыл бұрын

Mirror mode is very useful for us car enthusiasts. Many parts on the car is 2 of each and mirrored so I don't agree Angus, that mirror mode is just some cool party trick ;)

@MakersMuse 3 жыл бұрын

That's fair!

@estenberg2 3 жыл бұрын

...and I have the flow IDEX but not XL-version. Have had some quirks with it, but got a new controller card and it works for my needs. However, I agree with your summary of the printer. There are some things that could have been more tested out. I think the electronics does open up for a lot of refinement going forward. Perhaps the screen should have been placed externally so that it doesn't get so hot.

@petercallison5765 3 жыл бұрын

First thing I printed in mirror mode were the brush buckets.