As my Momma used to say: "If you're minding OTHER people's business, you'll surely be neglecting YOURS !" This crash is a case in point !

THE IRONY on the delta cvr oh my god the fact that they were talking about crashing before crashing

As people are asking: Continental 1713, number of deaths: 28 (the captain, the first officer, one flight attendant and 25 of the passengers died). Survivors: 54. Delta 1141: Two of the four flight attendants and 12 of the 101 passengers on board died in the crash. Captain Davis, First Officer Kirkland, two cabin crew members, and 22 passengers were seriously injured. Flight Engineer Judd and 49 passengers received minor injuries. Survivors: 94

For those curious if the crew survived Delta 1141, all survived except for two flight attendants. Most of those who died on the plane died from smoke inhalation. Sadly one passenger safely exited but decided to return back onboard to save his wife and others and suffered severe burns and died 11 days later. If he had stayed off he would've survived. The pilots were fired. First officer had bruises and a mild concussion. The captain had some broken ribs and a few other things requiring surgery. Most injuries were with those towards the rear of the plane that took most of the force. 18 passengers suffered no injuries whatsoever. The FAA was also mildly faulted as it was aware of Delta's inefficiencies and issues with crew management but didn't address it, as was Delta for knowingly allowing such laxed behaviour of pilots during sterile periods.

Grossest thing about it is that they discussed crashing as if it was some kind of entertainment piece and when asked about flaps... basically just assumed they'd been done. What a sickening situation to listen to.

“Sterile cockpit & checklists!” I lost track of how many times that was hammered into me, even as a primary student.

I was inbound to Stapleton when 1713 had crashed. I was flying an Air Force T-43a (B737-200) and we diverted to Colorado Springs. Later that evening we were one of the first aircraft to land at Stapleton. It was at night and emergency operations were still being performed on that aircraft, just beside the runway. It was a horrible sight.

I witnessed 1141 crash. I lived in Euless and would cut through a service road south of the runway on the way to my job in Las Colinas. Also, two of the passengers were regular customers of mine, one who didn't survive.

First episode: It is inconceivable to me how a pilot with 12,000 hours' experience decides he can just taxi from the gate to the deicing pad (or anywhere else) without clearance from the relevant controller. Then, notwithstanding his inexperience with the DC-9, how does that Captain not understand that sitting on the ground for a long time after deicing not recoat the wings with ice? His copilot might not have the requisite experience, but the Captain should, and that specific understanding does not depend on a type rating. Ice danger applies to a Cessna 172 also. The airline's attempt to lie about the incident, blaming it on the controllers and wake turbulence, is so offensive that the airline should have been fined just for that and the company executive charged with making deliberately false statements to government officials. Second incident: Not much to say. The first officer confirms that flaps are in the correct takeoff position when they are not. Was he even looking at the flap controls when he said it? Unprofessional behavior in the cockpit cost lives. Additionally, the pilots did not understand the relationship between angle of attack and disruption of air flow into the rear-mounted engines. That's something very important that every pilot certified on a 727 should have known from training and simulation.

To this day I don't understand why they didn't have a takeoff warning horn due to wing flaps, leading edge flaps and slats not extended for take off.

What’s kind of interesting is that on the Delta CVR, the captain talks about Continental 1713, which was shown first.

I love the 'no bullshit' way you present these stories. So refreshing. Keep up the great work.

What shocked me about the Delta flight was that he did get to the flaps on the checklist and it seemed it had become such an automatic response that he instantly said “15-15 green light”. Just a split second to look at the flaps lever would have been enough to know. I would suggest a decreased AoA and retracting the gear regardless of no positive rate might have made the difference too, but that is wishful thinking after the fact. The flaps being checked as set is the hardest one for me to hear, and this is an investigation I have studied in depth previously. The end result is the loss of lives and that’s tragic whether it’s one or 118.

The cockpit crew was talking about not just American 191 but Delta 191 as well. The weather related 191 was Delta 191

Imagine losing your life over a pilot pranking ATC over a crash and being involved in one, RIP 🕊️🙏

The movie Fearless with Jeff Bridges includes a summertime airline crash with survivors. It was made five years after this accident. A great film.

Please stop with the hyperbolic thumbnail images. The plane's nose section did not break off in flight

I think the first aircraft crash that the First Officer was talking about was DL 191 & not the AA 191 that he then referred to. He made a comment that flight 191 was due to weather & AA 191 was due to maintenance. DL 191 was a L1011 that crashed landing at DFW in 1985 due to wind shear.

RIP to all those we lost.

Good job as always on this channel, great video. It caught my attention that the accident of flight 1141 occurred on August 31, 1988, and exactly eleven years later, on August 31, but in 1999, an accident exactly like the one occurred in Buenos Aires. This one, identical, in which a LAPA 737 - 200 taking off leaves the runway because the crew was talking to a stewardess in the cabin, because they were distracted they did not lower the flaps, the plane could not take off and left the runway, 65 people dying. Same accident, same date. Saludos 👍

I see there's competition with you on plane crashes with detail, but your way of showing the video, is F'N awesome and great detail!! thanks for the awesome work!!

I never knew that the flaps would affect low speed flight this much! Thank you @TheFlightChannel for teaching me this!

Why do you show a picture of the plane on fire, falling apart in the air???

Always extra sad when accidents are due to human error🌻 @TheFlightChannel excellent video and enactment as always!

Delta 1141 Captain: We've got an engine failure Me: If by engine failure you mean failure to remain professional and use your brain cells, then yes

“Only 94 survive out of 108” that’s literally the best situation what??😂 also it didn’t break up in the air like the thumbnail so what the hell?

Only 94? Shouldn't only be said when it's like 10 or 15? While even one life is too much, 94 is quite alot? PS: Captain Larry David's and First Officer Wilson Kirkland lost their jobs because of the crash.

Last two pilots joking, practically playing with people's lives, then screaming like babies.

Flight hours are not a good metric for experience, especially with autopilot. A better metric would be how many total flights did they conduct in their current position or on that aircraft, how many take-offs and landings, how many approaches, etc. Some could have less hours but more experience by flying shorter routes, where long haul flights tend to be 90% uneventful while cruising.

Great content! These crashes reminded me of the Northwest Airlines Flight 255 crash when I lost three dear friends. The pilots failed to set the flaps. Such things can affect a person for a lifetime.

The Delta 1141 crew definitely got jinxed for their accident, talking about Continental 1713 crashing and crashing themselves before they actually did. I would like to know what happened to the 3 Delta pilots after the crash.

9:53 >"191 seems to be the classic airline crash that the news media goes for every time." And then First Officer Kirkland says, >"I mean, that was a crash due to weather and all that"... When he said that, what TFC didn't tell you is that he was also referring to Delta Airlines Flight 191, which happened 2 years earlier. He then cut away to American Airlines Flight 191 saying "American's DC-10"... Just clarification for those who didn't get it, because I sure didn't when I watched the original episode on its own when it was first released last year.

Of the 108 people on board, *only* 94 survived?? I'd call that remarkable, all things considered.

Ok, so in the first crash, did anyone survive? And the second one, did any of the crew survive? Both are incomplete stories.

So at 22 seconds the Delta’s front end fell off?

Good unbiased report of what unfortunately happened that brings back a lot of memories from that time when the industry was going through a lot of upheaval. I flew for Rio Airways from 1974 to August of 1976 when we walked out on strike. At the time I was a 21 year old first officer making $433 dollars a month before taxes. We went on strike for a $200 across the board pay raise and a curtain we could pull between us and the passengers in a Beech 99 so not to be distracted by passenger questions when we were flying IFR. We were all fired and the replacement pilots were given what we had asked for. Just over a year later, I was hired by American Airlines and in 1979 I was the Flight Engineer on a DC-10 that took off from Chicago Ohare bound for New York LaGuardia about 1 hour before Flight 191 crashed with crew members on board which I had flown with only a few days earlier. In August of 1987 Just before this Continental crash I checked out as a new MD-80 Captain - (the MD-80 was a stretched version of the DC-9) and as I recall we were flying overhead the Denver area on our way to the west coast when the Continental crash occurred. Lastly I clearly remember the DFW Delta crash but I don't recall where I was at the time. This all seems like a life-time ago and unfortunately it was and has been for too many great people that I met and flew with along the way. I was fortunate to retire from American Airlines after 41 years of service and am forever thankful for all the great pilots, flight attendants, mechanics, dispatchers, and many more who helped make all those times life-time memories which I will never forget. My thoughts and prayers go out to all of those who were not as fortunate as I was. May they rest in peace!

The moment it took of in the video I looked at the flaps. I knew it then and I think others watching this video must have spotted that too.

I see they are deicing the plane backwards. Its always from tip to root and leading edge to trailing edge. Otherwise, you can push contaminants into the "quiet" areas behind the flaps. Type 4 Cryotech Polar Guard extend would have given them more than enough of a hold over time with no ice forming.

In short the crew of both aircraft should never of been behind the controls.

Some dreadful flying from both aircrews. Good video.

Its so sad for this guy,he puts so many efforts on these vids.But didnt reach 5 million😢😢,but were all still here supporting him❤❤

Sorry but the 2nd accident - no takeoff config warning horn sounded? Was the circuit breaker pulled or something?

Pretty crazy how they were joking about crashing right before they crashed

Rerun?

Great work as always! You produce amazing, informative and respectful documentaries. Not only hats off to you, but hats discarded with respect to your fine efforts!

On the first incident… rule 101, you can’t just leave the gate, wander off around the airport, then head off to line up and wait on the runway, all movements must be sanctioned by the tower

My gosh. That was a really intense scream at the end.

On the second flight, the Delta flight, they go through the pre-take off checklist, I could have sworn someone said flaps 15 followed by flaps 15 meaning that they were set.

2 airliner crashes in Cincinnati in the 1960’s are never covered. Both hit same hillside coming in to land. Please do a story on these two fatal accidents Thanks

10:46 : Note that the cockpit voice recorder shows the Captain asking "Flaps?", and the First Officer responding "15-15 Green light." In other words the First Officer confirmed that the flaps WERE IN THE TAKEOFF CONFIGURATION of 15 degrees, and not retracted. Why does the NTSB report not mention THAT? Wasn't the status of the flap indicators among the items tracked in the Flight Recorder? It sounds more to me like the main cause of the crash for Delta flight 1141 was a faulty flap indicator light, rather than pre-flight cockpit chatter.

The second one is just horrible talking about crashed aircraft just stunning. I feel so sorry for the people that got those incompetent pilots.

The 2nd accident was because they deployed the flapping of their mouths instead of on the aircraft.

In the checklist call out. You can hear a confirmation of the flaps being 15/15. Why was it confirmed if they weren't really set?

“Of the 108 people on board, only 94 survived” ONLY 94??

Back in the 80s I rode on several Delta 727s between DCA and Atlanta! Also between Atlanta and Birmingham! About 3 or 4 of those hops were on DC9s. So seeing this is a little disturbing!

As always a incredible job with these. I have a question about de-icing if anyone knows. When a plane gets de-iced, how long does the plane have to wait before takeoff? I'm just assuming that when the de-icing is done, that's the last step before taxing to the runway?

This is why its so important to focus entirely on flying when starting

I like your channel. I hope you have some new content coming up. I was living in Denver when 1713 happened. We were having a quite a snowstorm. I was at home, roads were awful. The news of the crash broke on tv it was shocking and sad.

Excellent video again! Thank you.

LOL Continental thought they had an idea, but the NTSB schooled them!

My understanding was that while it wasn't a primary factor-the deicing fluid was also a contributing, 2ndary factor. Stapleton was using an inferior solution that wasn't as effective as another kind-thus it made matters worse.I think this plane still crashes-cuz of all the factors you mentioned-even if they had the better fluid-but I think it would still be worth noting. As we all know-its very rare where 1 thing causes an airline accident-it usually takes multiple things.With the exception of a terrorist act...ie a bomb or something.But even then-it usually takes multiple security breakdowns,coincidences,bad luck or whatever.

Speaks volumes about having your aircraft maintenance done in Texas.

really didn't need to hear the pilots streaming in terror at the end. soul crushing.

so craaazy to be talking about "what should we leave for our children and wife" and the other crashes and then... boom :(

The crew didn't de- ice the plane again before take off

This video demonstrates that everything is done bigger in Texas, even murder-suicides.

In your best GPWS voice: Woop woop, extend flaps, woop woop extend flaps!

The Delta ist officer Kirkland appears to think that the most important thing is to be chatty, jovial, and popular rather than to fly the plane responsibility with first priority the safety of all those on board. Too bad the Captain didn't insist on following approved regulations and shut them up. I hope these simulations are used when training pilots.

hey TheFlightChannel do you use a flight simulator or some kind of animation for these plane crashes

How very sad. If the flight crews of both flights had been paying closer attention to their jobs, these crashes could have been avoided. I wonder about the captain and first officer of the Delta flight - do they still feel guilty about causing the deaths of 14 people? The captain and FO of the Continental flight didn't survive. RIP 42 souls from both flights.

Both crashes were due to incompetence of the crew….. If both crews weren’t distracted and paid attention to the control tower…. The first incident was due to the crew backing away before being told by the tower and not going back to be de-iced after sitting on the tarmac for a 1/2 hour.

So without the flaps and slats deployed on T/O this aircraft has all the flight handling characteristics of bottle rocket with tiny fins.

Good work man in making the vid

Both of these accidents could have been avoided. The CO flight that taxiied from the gste without permission set in motion a chain reaction of events that led to fatalities. Not to mention, Stapleton was a notoriously dangerous airport to begin with.(glad they built themselves a new airport and shut Stapleton down) What really irked me was CO's blatent attempt to blame everything on the ATC, instead of where it belonged. With two horrifically inexperienced pilots on the type, and the FO being fired from his previous job for failing the competency exams not once, but THREE times. One of the many reasons I flat out refused to fly Comtinental. The Delta accident was compleyely preventable, or would have been if the pilots had followed the sterile cockpit rule. The rule was put in place to protect both pilots and passengers, but the pilots flagrantly disobeyed this rule. Once the plane levels off, the pilots can chitchat all they want, for all I care, but while we're still on the ground preparing for departure, as well as climbing up to cruising altitude, I want the pilots to concentrate on what they're doing, not yapping about each other's sex lives! Fortunately, CO is gone now, and DL is now the best carrier in the country, not to mention the safest. It's why I fly them everywhere, even overseas. Thanks to TLC, we get to see the old Delta and United liveries, my favourites. I really wish Delta would slap some of their retro liveries on their planes, like the other airlines are doing. In most cases, the retro liveries are better than the ones we have today!

Hold on. For the last flight it was stated that they didn't deploy the flaps in the pre liftoff checklist. But at 10:45 you can hear the CVR record them covering it. Was it not set properly then?

Hope that pilots and air traffic controllers learn from this to take every statement uttered exactly as stated, and not to assume that something else is meant. The pilot should have refused to take off after such a long wait.

The FO on the 1st crash is a big failure, because he over-rotated the plane, along with ice on the wings, causing it to stall. While the 2nd one has poor CRM, which causes them to get distacted and forgot to extend the flaps

1713, I think the root cause was the crew neglected to get clearance to leave the gate. This led to a lot of confusion in ATC, and caused the extra delay. Had ATC known where tf these clowns were, likely no problem.

Come on TFC you uploaded an video about delta 1141 a year ago. STOP reuploading. You did well with your last video it was a new one.

Couldn't believe two pilots with only 200 hours' experience between them were allowed to fly together.

The second crash and the reason for it are interesting. You can hear at 10:45 that the Captain calls "Flaps" and the FO replies 15-15 green light. Either the FO didn't actually set the flaps or he misread something.. Very interesting indeed.

And yet the Delta F/O said "15/15 green light"... the proper response for the flaps and slats.... being extended... (I flew all 3 seats of the B-727-100's & 200's)

No one is going to say anything about the title "Crashing 22 Seconds After Takeoff in Texas" - when there is no reference anywhere to Texas??? The first flight was from Denver, and the second flight was to Salt Lake City - but if the origination of the second flight was somewhere in Texas, it was never mentioned.

What's goin' on with this channel mate?

The second goes to show reality can be stranger than fiction.

Crazy thing on the delta cvr is they said flaps and responded 15 and 15. They called it but failed to look and verify.

So the last plane that crashed in the video did the pilot and co pilot survive ?

You've done this a few times and it's annoying. "Of the 108 people on board, only 94 survived". Using the word "ONLY" suggests not many survived when in fact most did.

This channel has taught me one thing. No %&#!ing way will I ever step foot in an airplane.

What's with the clickbait thumbnails?

7:48 ,, DC-10 friend ship " lol

The Continental story is unreal. If ATC says something you don't understand or doesn't make sense ALWAYS ASK for clarification. They never got clearance to "taxi to" a runway. That should have set off all sorts of mental alarms. A simple "say again" or question could possibly save you a ton of paperwork or might even keep you alive.

There's really no need for the misleading clickbait thumbnail. Very unprofessional and tacky behaviour.

I believe that I have seen both of these before.

In the case of Delta Flight 1141 the lessons from the crash of Northwest Flight 255 were not learned. I agree it's not right to criticize someone who is no longer here to defend themselves but there may be a case of inadequate training. There were many mistakes here.

People are not gonna like what I'm going to say. Being a pilot has its known risks with the possibility of something really bad happening. I'm sure they've at least thought of it as a possibility? So if/when the worst case scenario actually happens, fight for your passengers to the very end and take it like men instead of going out screaming.

Don’t they have a TOCW takeoff configuration warning?

Critical omission: Probable cause of Delta included failure of the flap/slat warning systems to activate.

what sim did you use

Really, the dating habits of flight attendants was the conversation that this pilot was so obsessed with? How old was this guy -- 15???