Those tests wouldn't have found the weakness in the wings. It would have folded on the next flight or the flight after. This plane was doomed but not because he pushed it on the maiden.

So basically you're saying the plane will get stronger the more it's flown. Which is rubbish.

I disagree. When I maiden an airplane, I usually perform an aileron roll just after take off going into a knife edge pass. That confirms I have my set up right.

That’s why I keep all my aircraft below $150

@@scoodles_1083 very true scott never invest anymore than you are ultimately prepared to loose in this hobby!😃👍

Weird flex? You'll just make it up in quantity. I've never been with a "10"... But I HAVE been with five "2's".

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@@GhostRyderFPV At least you're going to crash them one by one eventually, 10 times more fun.

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But you can crash that one mostly only once ;-) And the experience of crashing is as close to reality as it can be ;-D

@@-BUFFALOMan Track record so far for the full sized planes... a forklift crashed into my plane at an airshow while filling a performer with smoke oil, and a few years later I had another "incident" where the field was soft and I flipped her over on her back. Insurance saved the day on both incidents, and the upside-down extreme chiropractics fixed a lower back problem I've been having for years!

If you have given up trying to fly RC AIRCRAFT AFTER SO MANY CRASHES. COMING FROM A LARGE RADIO CONTROL FLYER FOR OVER 40 YEARS . DO YOU FEEL AIR CRAFT IS YOUR PASSION. WILL FULL SIZE BE ANY BETTER. AS THE COST IS A HUNDERED TIMES MORE AND WITH FULL SIZE YOU COULD END UP SPLATTERED ALL OVER THE AIRFIELD.

Lol hahaha, nice!

derrrr this was a short flight. and, made shorter, when the port wing decided to FALL OFF.!

@@daviddavids2884 No.... It was a series of acrobatic manoeuvres, some of them quite severe...

@@seansinclair3023 no. you are SEEING things that are NOT there. suggest you have that Problem LOOKED AT. out

Yes

A short easy test flight and then thorough check would have been the prudent thing to do. Then a longer more trying flight. But this was so much more fun.

$2000 for SCUBA gear and a couple of lessons, which I can get $1500 for when I'm done. Hell yeah, I'm going swimming!

Idiots with more money than brains.

@@joshrandall3632 only 3 meters deep I'll be going down with fins and a mask if it was clear enough ;)

You could bet your ass I'm going swimming for that damn thing

Unless there are gators in that lake.

And that you're not an aerospace engineer..

that is one way to interpret the data. cheers

God takes care airplane not to hit car on highway...

Pretty much....and for 30 grand I can swim12 ft deep for a 8 grand turbine toy motor 😁☺😇

@@redblue40rc33You're on! Lets sweeten the deal and add alligators to the mix, I assume that's how the lake got it's name. 😉🤣

😂 Best comment yet 👌🏼

It's cheaper to fly the real thing..

Some women cost that much between the boff and the divorce.

@@Easy-Eight He still has that to look forward to now she knows how much his toy cost.

Hunter Biden style!

eh if you are flying a 30k jet. chances are you can afford to crash it.... if you can't afford to crash it then you probably shouldn't be flying it.

I've seen the video of that incident, downright incredible it was!

Yeah, me too. They will mostly likely set him up with another airframe, but his electronics, yikes

Thanks Germany... We know you guys build them well! Happy New Year!

Agreed. I fly a a very large field that allows turbines. My field is also nowhere near other people. THIS field seems WAY too small for turbines, as you're flying over or right next to a highway (which this plane almost landed on) and over a parking lot \ picknic area filled with people. I'm amazed the AMA sanctions this field for jets.

not the sport,,, the hobby shops

At 2:50 he went so over AOA you can hear it. Pretty sure whatever structural element he had for the wings was done at that point and it was just a matter of time before it fell apart.

@@3dCraddock I agree. Big planes require big patterns to not over g. That plane was not designed for high alpha aerobatics

So, status quo for pilots at this field. I would NEVER fly there.

Well, considering the loss of the wing happened at 3:10 in the video, I'd say it's a safe bet he didn't land after 5 minutes to check if everything was OK.

Yep, pretty much.

New Jet pulls 30G's first flight! Or $30K. I thought the exact same thing. Clearly, the pilot skill was impressive. But a series of shakedown flights with close inspection for cracks both internally and externally could save the insurance company big dollars. What? No insurance? Ouch.

Nothing less stressful than full knife edge 🤣

I have the same opinion , first flight spouse to be gentle. Apart from this, I wouldn't have flown so close to people and cars - one mistake, or technical problem could cause disaster on the ground. Henry anyway : don't worry , bright side is that the next model will be more beautiful , I am sure about it.

My thoughts exactly, take it easy on the maiden flight. Very lucky that it didn't land on the road.

This was not the maiden flight the first two flight were very different. But like everything on the internet people do what’s needed for views and if a title says and inflated price and catchy title for more views then it is what it is. And I speak from direct experience because I was the pilot and it was my plane. This was structural wing failure and design flaw that is being fixed by manufacturer. This was a prototype aircraft not a production model. But if all that was put on title it would not have 60+k views.

Yeah when I used to fly r/c kit planes I always made modifications to beef them up if i thought they needed it, eg thicker wing spars..:)

The kit manufacturer will tell you that the damage was done at 2:52 when he pulled 20G by snaping into the flat spin. 100% pilot error.

Let's get this comment to the top!!! _(just beneath mine)_

Boring otherwise tho. ;-)

Pushed hard for a maiden flight

@@babooseven Regardless maiden flight or not, the wings folded...wings don,t break in, they break up. I agree though, you take a short flight, bring her in and do a complete check.

@@contractscanadabb7629 yeah, that was the point. Admittedly I'm just a spectator but I'd like to think that there would have been some cracking or warping before the wings gave way. As they say tho. Hindsight is 20/20

A trashed one. It's junk

Stunning observation!

@@rcchaser Just finally good to see the overlooked RC Chasers get a little credit for all their courage and work behind the scenes. We could not do it, if not for them.

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yes may be a 172.

Uhh no. You can get a used 172 from like the 70’s for like, $200,000 minimum

@@ndrew3 You can get a early 70’s Cessna 172 for under $100,000, mid 50’s go for under $30k

You could get a kit fox for that.

@@ndrew3 no an early one for $25K and up depending on equipment.

Whoa there!! I thought the orange balaclava was the one stylish aspect of the video!!.... I'm a big fan of orange.....

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That's why I don't live in Germany :(

Germany has some of the best regulations in the world.

@@sophiejaysstuff4026 after seeing this and similar jets disintegrate during seemingly normal maneuvers, those regulations make quite a lot of sense. Also it would have saved the pilot a lot of money and work. If the jet had failed the ground tests, he could have rebuilt the wings accordingly and have ended with a structurally solid aircraft.

@@sensualeye I think it does make sense for models that large. Germany is densely populated, you don't want an uncontrollable cruise missile striking you or your property. Also, you can fly really big planes without inspection. Only from 25kg, they have to be inspected.

@@sophiejaysstuff4026 Because you like your expensive rc planes, that are big enough to kill someone, unverified?

Thank you! Cheers!

Need to have the FAA investigate that one.

Agreed - stall turns and inverted loops is bonkers for first flight. Do some circuits, land, check the structure. There could have been fatalities!!!

@@problemchild1976 The only thing bonkers around here is you. This wasn’t the first flight, the video is title is incorrect.

@@Hornet135 and how do we know that???? Based on the title (the only info we have to go on) the manoeuvres were bonkers. I’m sorry you think I’m bonkers for not being a mind reader

Thats Markham Park, South Florida, you should look it up on maps before you go into keyboard warrior mode. That model, correctly built should have handled anything thrown at it. I think he either forgot to put the spar in or a there was a flaw in materials.

@@MrCarrizojim Never going to go through that kind of trouble to look up a location as insignificant as my assumption on the matter for the net, where it's common place and to be expected,. Regardless of what it should have been capable of, it didn't achieve it. I think that's the real take away from the video Jim, don't mind me, as I have no appreciation for spending more on a model plane, than it would take to get one you can actually fly in. No offense.

Any area one would fly an RC aircraft of any type, especially in this jet's post-unscheduled-disassembly state, is rife with "pit falls that can claim the entire craft permanently" . Lest one can alleviate the dangers associated with "ground". That statement invokes Flat Earth levels of disdain from me. As an FPV flyer, ("pilot" is too gracious a term, while "builder/crasher" sounds crass), a part of me agrees with your insinuation that there should have been a camera onboard. Because there should be a camera on everything. My quads. My planes. My helicopters. My dog. All FPV. However, if my FPV dog's leg fell off, I'm not sure my Eagle Tree tracking station would save him. Poor dog. Also, why aren't my habits your habits? I don't think a previous event caused stress that ultimately led to failure. I'm fairly certain that the Unrestricted Climb, or Zoom Climb, and stress induced created a more acute failure, as the bending moment and shear loads from wing to the fuselage are incredibly high during the transition to vertical. If I were to guess, the model was built overpowered, and probably heavier than what it's spar was designed to tolerate. So faster, and heavier, with the expected results, is my assumption for what it's worth. I love the idea of the 'chute. I saw it in another comment previously, and award that author all the credit you also deserve. It's a silly idea for almost every application I've seen it on, but this... Yes. 100% yes. Of course, there is the issue of water in this case, (and everywhere else in this State, but as you pointed out that danger assumed by the guy with the transmitter, amirite?). "Common place" and "to be expected" does not absolve consequence. It wasn't a good defense when I was four, when I was taught the story of not following a group off a bridge. Jim must have had a spar experience, like me. They do tend to fly loose without 'em. Once. ô¿ô

@@GhostRyderFPV This kind of follow up by the OP could have alleviated speculation altogether and I'm in full agreement with "not following a group off a bridge", because I was taught it as well. I was also taught to be careful, so as not to get the "You'll know better next time", speech. There are far more important things to labor about than internet testimony. I'm just pointing out as a manner of principle that something of that value is worth far better precaution than what it was afforded, especially given the small investment, relative to the potential risk of loss. Heck, a little foam filling in the fueselage to serve as a ballast so that it would at least float would have been worth it to me. Whatever can go wrong will go wrong, especially when you're least prepared for it. Get your car stuck on an old train track you've never seen a train on. There will be one coming that day. Appreciate the input.

I agree with that emergency chute..

you don't know what you are talking about.!!! it was clear that 1) everything was looking fine, then 2) the port wing half FELL OFF. cheers

@@daviddavids2884 lol. Aircraft wings don’t ‘fall off’.....

@@daviddavids2884 and how much experience do you have flying heavy complex RC planes? ANY maiden should involve a series of easy going test flights to check out systems and look for stress cracking and other component issues such as connection, loose bolts etc. This individual broke the the first Rule of Modeling "Don't do anything Stupid". This could be as simple as a broken, or loose wing bolt.

Good eye. Initially, my assumption was an over-stressed spar, (too high AUW), but see an intact spar peeking through a failing rib as well.

I think we just watched him peform a Russian rocket style 'stress analysis'. (Fly it and see what breaks, then build a beefier one.)

Or there was no central tube: Forgotten?

@@rcchaser Would it have even lasted that long without it?

Learned to fly Sig senior Kadet , Markhem park 1985

@@leefithian3704 Wow! A very nice place to cruise and hang out and fly R/C planes!

Now that’s a good friend. Haha!!! I tried something similar when my friends wife cheated on him. I slept with her to and man did he get mad! Some people are ungrateful.

@@MrCarnutbill67 : )

Yeah I saw that. It didn't help.

Relatively speaking that wasn't that much of a hard up elevator I've seen a lot sharper and it did not break wings on those models. EA Havocs are close to this size, get whipped around like foamies and their wings don't break.

@@edfhobbies556 Pablo’s EA havocs are built strong and can take huge G loads...

@MAD GRUMPYMAN Erm... He didnt say it was any worse.

@MAD GRUMPYMAN Ah, ok...I understand now, fair enough.

Maiden flight and you fliy like this,, you as PIC deserved just what you asked for and it aint the planes fault,,

The exact thing crossed my mind. On a couple of those maneuvers it looked to me that he flew over that highway. That "accident" could have been much worse IMHO. Most RC fields are in more isolated areas for just these reasons.

@@wollins2 Besides the highway, on the other end of the field they're regularly flying over a parking lot, and active park road and pedestrians. There is NO WAY jets should be allowed to fly at this field (as jets tend to fly deeper and faster than prop planes, and also take higher skill levels to fly \ land safely). This is about the fifth video this poster has put on KZfaq showing jets crashing at this field, and I've seen LOTS of questionable flying and skills. IMHO it's only a matter of time before some innocent bystander gets seriously hurt at this field.

Lmao

Good luck with that.

so true.

Nope. His wife was helping look for the fuse containing KingTech 450 turbine. I think it's over $5000 for that turbine.

NO the big turbine still under water.

??? it is not clear what your second sentence is Supposed to say.!!!!

I agree that was a great plane with a great pilot next time use a parachute system to save your work as much as possible.

I did exactly like that, I install a parachute system, this system save to me 6.5k$ in one crash.

@@humbertoandrade6367 I don't fly planes that are that expensive but still would be interesting for me to save a plane, can you explain to me how you made your parachute system?

@@adelaseeri768 Unfortunately I do not have pictures, I built two small compartments with two opening systems, the first was driven by a servomotor, the second was mechanical, connected with a thread to each wing, if one of the wings breaks, the thread opens the compartments with the parachutes, I built two compartments, because in the first test the parachute broke due to the speed, in the second test the first parachute slowed down and the second did the job

@@humbertoandrade6367 thank you for the explanation will definitely do some kind of back up system.

Not yet! Henry bought a RC submarine with cameras and it should arrive next week. I hope we are not too late....treasure hunters may have beaten us to it.

@@rcchaser Good Luck, fingers crossed :)

I hope you can salvage the fuselage. Water may not do much damage to the electronics but the turbine might be able to be rebuilt.

WHAT............ REMOTE ID YOUR KIDDING I HOPE.

@@jeffholsinger3356 Of coures... do you not know who I am or whatI do?:-)

It’s nice to see a veteran KZfaqr personality comments on my novice channel!

@@rcchaser :-)

@@xjet If they had taped the registration number across the bottom of the wing, the wing probably wouldn’t have failed. If they are just stuck on anywhere, they serve no useful purpose at all.

He bought a rc submarine to look. Divers don't want to go due to gators and snakes in that lake.

True. I’m not sure if it did happen with this model, however.

I guess you should have paid attention in English class

oh, you are so wise. um, i mean, opinionated.!!!!!

That was my first thought, the perils of flying a missile around in a crowded area

yea its called markam park in florida and that place has far to many people around for a jet of that size and speed to be zooming around, and i speak from experience ive flown there.

bla-bla-bla the flight was going, FINE, then the wing Decided to FALL OFF.!!!!

Avanti XXL pilot: “Yes Hobbyking, I’d like to return this $30k airplane.” Hobbyking: “Can we interest you in an exchange for 950 Chinese foam sky-trash airplanes? Oh yes, of course they’ll all crash as well or better than your Avanti. Guaranteed.”

@@whiskytango17 I know that would be impossible....no human has ever talked to a HobbyJing customer service rep.

Pilot bought a rc tethered submarine to look for the turbine.

Holy S&@$ is right

wow. yer mom must be So proud. doh

YOU do NOT know what you are talking about. feel free to NOT attempt to argue with me, on this.!!!!!!

That's right...Gators were sun bathing out in the banks...cold that day.