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I can't imagine what that was like.

Which hospital? St Joes?

@@ricbachman1727 Beyer Hospital in Ypsilanti

I didn't watch this yet but if I remember correctly one little girl survived. She was the sole survivor.

How could two pilots miss that? Also how critical are the flaps could it be salvaged if they made that mistake or was it doomed?

@@christianWilliams-pc4jn In 2002 another MD-82 crashed in Spain as soon as it lifted off killing over 100 people. Exact same thing. The pilots forgot to set the flaps for takeoff. The configuration was zero and it runway and weight called for 11 degrees. This Northwest flight was the same. They were at zero and should had been 11 degrees. And in both planes the warning device to alert the pilots they forgot to set the flaps did not sound.

@@boblackey1 thanks for the response. And this is why I don't fly.

@@christianWilliams-pc4jn Well the good news is no one has lost their life in an airliner in America since 2001. 20 years. And it's been longer than that since the pilots forgot to set the flaps. Delta had a crash in 1988, their last crash, and the pilots forgot to set the flaps for takeoff. Either pilots don't make that mistake now or the warning device always works. The pilots of the Northwest crash in Detroit discovered their computer wasn't set for auto throttle during their take off roll and quickly set it but didn't think they had also forgotten the flaps.

@@boblackey1 yeah but it does happen. And it will happen again it's inevitable and only a matter of time. I for one do not want to take that chance. If we were meant to be 20,000 ft in the air we would have wings like birds. Just imagine for a second that you're on the plane where it happens. Aside from pilot error which can happen anytime, you have mechanical failure, and inadequate maintenance ( i.e. Alaska flight 261).

Nicholas Barton Thank you. 🙏

A death friend of my step Neice was aboard n she was only 18 0r 19..not suppose on flight 55 was bumped off continental..because of mechanical problems n was flying to her parents n was to be my neices roommate at MSU that fall..Joanne Surwitz RIP i knowherparents back in the day herdadwas our milkman her mom was good friends with mystep sister...n stillis as far as i know..RIP Dave, Joanne's late dad who passed years after the crash.. RIP to all crew n passangers excrpt that one little ...girl ..Cecila Surhen..only survivor

Very, very sorry forthe loss of your of your friend...RIP

That must be the luckiest Vegas trip ever. RIP to your friend.

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So sorry

I am so sorry. It happens to the best of us.

My condolences to you and your family.

So sorry for your loss.

Iam so sorry to hear this

Michael, thank you for that information. I was going to Google Search the survivor. I Hope & Pray she is happy at this time. What a nightmare to have gone through!

Not to be disrespectful, but shouldnt there be 156 trees? There were two fatalities on the ground. Two poor souls who had nothing to do with the flight, except to be sitting in their cars . God bless them all. The little girl survivor breaks my heart . Poor baby, she lost her whole family .

@@axiomist4488 I agree, it's like they didn't matter or that they were forgotten.

My ex coworker and his wife are friends with Celia.

I grew up about a mile down the road with all the debris on it that's in the black and white photo they use a lot in stories about the crash. I am the exact same age as the survivor... It was kind of a legend growing up to me being so young when it happened but hearing adults telling stories about it all the time. Kind of surreal learning about it later in life as an adult and knowing those were real people who were impacted by that horrible tragedy.

So Sorry

In memory of your friend and coworker

So sorry for you loss!

Very, very sorry. I remember this crash. RIP to all who died that rainy August night.

You're either really good storyteller or you're actually telling the truth I'm surprised it never made international news

@@doctorclarke6556 stfu who would lie about this

God saved your mon

I am so happy for you that your Mom had Morning Sickness. It saved your life. My sister took the same flight and Aircraft a week earlier. She lived in Phoenix at the same time and flew with her husband and 3 small children who were ages 4, 3 and 1.

@@stephaniebarber17 Cause people lie, especially over the internet. There's plenty of stories on the internet made up just for likes it's not uncommon. I'm not saying this is a lie but I wouldn't be surprised.

Sadly I think a lot of people survived the initial impact as they were only going about 170mph. It was the fire that killed a lot of them. The little girl was found strapped to her seat away from the fire.

Where was she seated?

@@jeschr3462 not alot surveied the impact that girl just got lucky its very hard to live a 170 mph impact

@@jeschr3462 Doubt the fire had much to do with it, bodies were scattered all over the place, she was lucky enough to be protected from blunt force trauma.

We often wondered how she was. What a sad day in Michigan history.

As a father I would never be able to forget myself, people say time would heal but I know I would not had. I hope the mother is doing well

Same, I was driving on the road where it crashed

Interestingly, I was a teen, but a volunteer for the civilian emergency office and was called to respond. I did not go for that very reason. Although I have seen hell since. At that age, I was not prepared for sure. Thanks for sharing.

So sorry to hear that. As an ex-911 dispatcher, I know how PTSD from major events and even just the buildup of stress from a bunch of small events over time can affect a person. I saw it happen to many of my coworkers, and my wife said that I just got totally cynical and basically hated people. So glad for my mental health and my marriage that I quit that line of work.

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Then your friend was in the wrong job. You can sympathise but never empathise or you are finished as a first responder.

Sometimes you’re unlucky, sometimes god has other plans

@@cheeziest2313 Exactly.

Faith is mental illness tbh

@@desdicadoric , if that’s the case what did the poor passengers on the plane do to deserve what happened? God has plans….what a crock!

@@angelawilliams4239 Death in most ways is not the best of experiences. My personal view is that they did not “deserve” their fate. I believe that when your job in this life is done God calls you home whether you are a day old or 100 years old. It is difficult to understand, but that’s why it is called Faith.

I was there also standing on the balcony of my hotel as the plane flew over the right side of the hotel and crashed into the overpass. It was a little before dark when it crashed, cloudy with a lite mist and the wind was blowing a little bit. The plane was banked a little left, the nose a little up going down and I could see the Pilot in the left cockpit window as the plane passed then crashed into the overpass, it shocked the heck out of me.

Thank you for your service that night.

Yes the sky was clear. I was just putting the key in my door lock in Norwayne when I heard two big booms. I love thunderstorms so I looked west and there we're stars. Then I saw the news on TV.

We lived in Ypsilanti and felt the ground shake. My husband was a first responder and was initially called into work but they were canceled because there as only one survivor. It was a beautiful ev3ning. Warm sunny with no rain in sight.

The front was a little more active up near Oakland-Pontiac. I remember that flight originated from the MBS airport near Saginaw and it still had a stop in MSP before ending in PHX. Whatever the weather radar looked like in Romulus, I'm sure the crew wanted to get in the air asap.

Well said

Life is so fragile. Especially obvious when you're in the air.

And the will to survive. This was very hard to watch. But that one survivor- just beyond.....

Wyrd Walker Videos*. No apostrophe necessary.

YES LIFE IS A MYSTERY AND WILL REMAIN SO NOBODY HAS ANSWERS NOT EVEN ME.

May they rest in peace if they can mate

If you mean Kieth K. Rogers, a person named Annabel made a similar comment on this same video about how he took an early flight home after your reunion. R.I.P to your friends, I'm truly sorry.

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That’s horrible so sorry

Sorry for your loss RIP to them

ugh so sorry you had to go through that TY for your service

I also live in the area. It will never be forgotten. Thank you for your service that night.

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If you hadn't been in a hurry, you might have been involved in that crash. What a thing to haunt a person.

I use to get nervous driving on I-94 passing metro airport especially middlebelt

100th like.

his wife was under 18 too? kinda sus

@@willtrap4food698 No moron, his kids were all under 18

rest in peace

@@kellyanderson7624 I think everyone was under 18. The husband the wife and the 5 kids. He started real early

This guy's middle and last names are MY first and middle names.

Such a gut wrenching CVR recording 😢

No it wasn't . It was another plane on the radio

Well, crashing would be a nuisance too I suppose.

Other matters being, they didn't want to be delayed and were trying to beat the impending storm. Sad story. My cousin Darcie was part of this clean up and recovery crew. She was never the same. Drank herself to death 20 years ago. Picking up hands and feet and jaw bones can really destroy your psyche. May they all rest in peace.😔

@@matthewstorer8236 the pilot had nearly 1,400 hours on this airframe and was otherwise a veteran pilot. Taking off without the flaps extended would be like pulling out of your driveway with your driver's side door wide open - something that you would otherwise never do. Complacency and impatience kills.

@@paulconvery680 Thank you! I have often wondered if there were other stories similar to hers.

@@paulconvery680 I have the deepest sympathy for these first responders. I couldn't imagine having to pick up body parts from a crash this horrific. I did see the other comment. The only way to make it through something this traumatic is dehumanizing the situation the best you can. I have read first responder accounts from the commuter crash in Indiana on Halloween 1994, the USAIR 737 that crashed in Pittsburgh and the crash at O'Hare in 1979. Those three crashes also reduced the passengers to small pieces. I pray those people found some kind of peace. Nobody knows how they will react to that kind of horror until they have to.

And there is also someone who was affected by the crash that is shown commenting.

its not animation its a flight simulator

He kinda missed a few important details after takeoff and before FINAL impact!

False doesn't even come close to describing what happened the plane first after barely lifting off clip the corner of a building thats barely 20 ft tall before hitting the train overpass Landing in the road throwing debris on a 94 and under none of that's on your awesome Aviation KZfaqr video

Don't you get that you, too, could easily create one of these videos? He's using a Flight Simulator software that provides everything except the editing, sound, and text (which is also directly lifted from Wikipedia and other sources).

yea felt like i was in the plane so scary!

@@seriousorganizer I better never hear stall. I have flown at least 80 times but not so much over the past few years.

Yes they are just amazing!

HOW THE HELL WOULD YOU KNOW WHAT WORK GOES INTO THESE VIDEOS.

Allen Hetrick why are you so angry?

I am so sorry.

i am so sorry to here that 😥

So sorry 🙏🌈

I’m so very sorry. 😔

"Get There-Itis", as it is called

Rip rip yes yes Forever always

I am so sorry

My brother was driving down Middlebelt and saw this terrible accident, too. And, fwiw, my dad was an automotive body designer at American Sunroof then, too.

Sorry for your loss😔🙏

Enjoy life to the fullest my friend we truly do not know our last day. I would assume you're roughly 50 today. How has life treated you let me know perhaps I can provide a blessing.

@@doctorclarke6556 I'm glad there is still people like you on the internet. Hope you are blessed today and always mister!!

omg so sad to hear this, rip

I was on middlebelt road a mile away and saw it as a kid, for months after people were using metal detectors and looking for valuables from the dead people

Very Sorry.

Heartbreaking

Barbara I am so sorry for you loss. No you never get over loved ones when they pass away. My sister and her husband took the same flight and airplane a week beforehand. They lived in Phoenix at the time.

So sorry 💋❤️

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Air "fright" is right!!

One Spanish 747 pilot was yelling at the terrain-warning system to 'shut up' in the seconds before his plane hit the side of a mountain.

Exactly! how tragic.

Human stupidity will never cease to amaze me.

@@None-zc5vg I don’t even have any words for that one……🤐

Nothing about that horrible airline or its horrible crews could ever surprise me. It is a tragedy that so many people paid the ultimate price for Northwest negligence.

Bless her God

Thanks for the info..

The little girl Cecelia was on the front page of our News Paper the Detroit News and they showed her updates daily on the front page.

@Andrew Gomez I am so happy she doing well. It took a lot of courage for her together the tattoo asa daily reminder. It is so sad she lost her Mom, Dad and Brother. Even though she doesn't remember it would be more troubling if she remembered that awful day. I live 90 minutes from there now. I never went to see anything until they had the memorial stonier place. They have one like it in Phoenix too because many people were on that plane heading home after a vacation to visit one of the relatives. One of the couples on the plane were newly engaged. There were lives lost in California too. Nicholaas Peter Vanos a basket ball player from the Phoenix Suns. My sister her family took the same flight a week ahead of that. I am glad the make planes wait out on the Tarmac now when there are severe thunderstorms or they delay the flights going out. If you miss a US plane and get stuck at the airport at least you are alive. It was the only time in my life just before it happened driving back from my parents house to celebrate my son Nicholas first birthday that I said in our car that I felt that something horrible was going happen. Winds were blowing from different directions and the sky look real ominous. Of course in those days the only information you get was from the TV news, Radio News and a News Paper the following day. Flight 800 TWA from New York to Paris France was another that stands out in my mind. The Concorde Flight 4590 too. I have flown a lot but never had anything more than turbulence. I been on an Airplane at least 80 times but never flew until I was 35 years old. My husband used to work for Northwest Airlines. He worked in reservations. You have a good heart Andrew Gomez.

@@calandraglenn3447 She must have had a better God than they others had.

Wow 💜

Where is the stone? I live in SE Mich and I fly out of DTW every now and then. EDIT: I found it at Google Maps. Thank you for such great work.

@@Torgo1969 Right by I94 and Middlebelt Road on the hill. If memory serves me, was right at the crash site I believe. My coworker and I made it and with the help of a crane set it back in 1994.

@@mpa7056 Yes, that's where I found it. I usually turn off at Merriman when I drive to DTW from Ann Arbor, so I've never seen it on Middlebelt. But I drive down Middlebelt when I go shopping for Polish food in Livonia. One of these times I'll keep driving further south until I find the stone. Respect.

@@mpa7056 i hope you see my reply. thank you so much. i lived right around the corner van born and middlebelt rds. it was horrible to say the least thank you again.

Wow. Divine providence.

@@mj6962 why didn't that work for all that peple that died on the plane?

GraveUypo I don’t know buddy maybe you could take that up with God when you meet him after you leave the earth...

@@mj6962 i do know. it's because everything good is credited to god and everything bad is credited to fate. such convenience.

GraveUypo Wonderful! Well there you go! You had your answer all along, and didn’t even need to ask me. Good for you, man, good. For. You!

Human Error - We are all capable of it. The pilot's routine was disturbed when the runway assignment changed. I'm sure that it was a lesson for all professional pilots who have taken it to heart. Sadly, many people died to provide that lesson.

It's not just one mistake, both pilots made mistakes (skimmed the checklist, the radio) before the problems started.

Hence, the reason for checklists and communication procedures for both pilots, engineer and cabin crews

There was a thing back then where Airlines would compete with other Airlines about being on time. Well in this case it proved to be unsafe. I think they wait out wind sheer and more thunderstorm now. If they hadn't been in such a hurry people might have been stuck at Phoenix SkyHarbor Airport over night they were insisting on not having enough time to get to John Wayne Airport in California. If they weren't in such a hurry the people who needed to get to California might have to sit the night in the airport in Phoenix but they would be alive today.

.....Yes, and it started with the omission of the "After Start Checklist". Because of the confusion on taxi (misses the turn, night, rain, change of runway and extra computations) there was not a call for Flaps Extension or depressing the TOGA buttons to put the aircraft into the TakeOff mode. This omission deleted the TakeOff warning signals that something was amiss. Also, no "Taxi Checklist" called for. Add to this the omission of the "TakeOff Checklist".....all could have been rectified during the 3 minutes waiting for wake turbulence to subside if they would have scanned the Mode Select panel just one more time....... This is sad.

*A* mistake? They did everything wrong one could do during the checklist for takeoff.

There was a crash in New Orleans where only a baby girl on the ground survived. I think they met on that show.

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God that’s terrible, I truly send my deepest condolences to your grandfather and everyone else aboard the flight that didn’t survive. May they all be remembered. 😔

May his soul Rest In Peace

Sorry for you loss such a shame you never got to meet him 🙏🌈 I never met my uncle I so wish is could of but he fell off a mountain 😔

@@RebeccaHindle my great great grandfather had a seizure and fell of the face of a mountain while rock climbing in Slovakia when my grandmother was only 3.

I had to pick up a rental car from Avis about four days after the accident. I can still remember the bricks next to the building from where the plane's wing had struck. The lobby was hot. Apparently the air conditioning was damage. We didn’t say much. But we all knew what had happened. It was a strange, heavy feeling.

There’s a cemetery and there’s a statue of the little girl on a swing made of brass and there a burial for unclaimed body parts sorry to say

@@maryopperman2656 I saw it in Plymouth Twp. when I was picking up my mother's ashes.

@@danielhuculak1877 sorry about your mom

You are right boss. The fearful part of flying are take off and landing

I think, Clearance: Received, is also very important.

You can see it( the memorial) from the middlebelt exit going eastbound on 94… I wish this never happened.🥺

Or there might be some failure with even flaps selected the flaps failed to extend? idk there wasn't much information in this video about the position of the flap handles themselves, tell me if you find anything about the flaps handle cheers!

My recollection is that flaps weren't on the taxi or takeoff checklists due to the merger between Republic & Northwest. The pilots were held ultimately responsible because it was memory item, but the airline's lack of oversight was cited as a contributing factor.

I just did a little digging and the timeline portrayed in the video is quite different to the timeline from the voice recorder. The flight was only in the air for 20 seconds! The stick-shaker started after 5 seconds and the aural warning started after 10 seconds. So they had very little time to react. Even if they started to apply flaps the moment the stick-shaker started, they only had 15 seconds to regain control. [Source: en.wikipediaDOTorg/wiki/Northwest_Airlines_Flight_255] @@kimberlystewart8980 Wow, that is bureaucracy at it's finest.

@@garethevans9789 Yes, the light pole and building they struck are literally at the end of the runway And the Avis rent-a-car wasn't terribly tall, maybe 2 stories. It's still at the end of the runway. They never had a chance to react. www.google.com/maps/place/Avis+Car+Rental/@42.2363902,-83.3347588,15z/data=!4m8!1m2!2m1!1savis+rental+a+car+middlebelt+dtw!3m4!1s0x883b4f2c2e243adb:0x8d78a3be0772db42!8m2!3d42.2363902!4d-83.329913

@@garethevans9789 I don't think it's fair to the pilots to not mention it, because had been on either list, I don't think they would have made the error. That's what the damned things are for afterall.

How could two pilots miss that? Also how critical are the flaps could it be salvaged if they made that mistake or was it doomed?

@Jim Marcum wow. That's like being a doctor and not checking the vitals of your patient. That's incomprehensible.

@@christianWilliams-pc4jn Speculation: maybe. If they had a longer runway, took a longer takeoff roll, and climbed out at a more shallow angle then maybe. But that would require some awareness at some point. They were totally unaware so there they never had tome to consider the possibilities..

@@patwilson2546 And that is why I do not fly if I can help it. There's always going to be the chance for human error on top of the chance of mechanical failure or inadequate maintenance.

@@christianWilliams-pc4jn Driving a car is probably more dangerous. One reason to stay home....

Eric Criteser Oh it’s a baby, it makes sense now.

It wasn't her time !!!

@@lulu8090 The reason the baby survived is that her mothers' body was wrapped around her,which allowed her to survive the impact and the fire.

Incredible that even a baby survived that one. Does she even remember the crash.....maybe too young for that.

I was 11 living near Detroit also. I remember watching tv when one of the local channels came on with breaking news, was hard to grasp then. The survivor was 4 years old, her name is Cecelia Chichan (or close to that), she lived with relatives in Alabama afterwards. I remember reading that she doesn't remember the crash but felt survivor's guilt years later. She seems to be doing well, graduated college and even got married. I believe the firefighter who found her has remained close to her and even was at her wedding!

false. only 1 person survived this crash. and that was a kid

aiden maccracken her boyfriend died not her.

@@hellkell8693 Horrible sentence structure.....allow me to correct.... A coworker of mine at the time lost her boyfriend in this accident......

aiden maccracken They never said the boyfriend survived-

@@rokloz418 I'm assuming that the lady wasn't on the plane with her boyfriend.

John Fahey, your mother was killed in two separate crashes. She should consider not flying anymore.

@@PhxAzGuy You mean he's lying?

Dahl WILLIAMS ...I saw that a young man named Gary Kimel was on board. People from Special test department/durability. Gary took my place. I think he was married with a newborn. Loved the years I worked at the Grounds.

I worked with Phyllis A. Zigler before she and her husband Barry were laidoff at her former job. She had only worked at GM for a year or so before this happened.

Doug Hagler Rest in Peace

Mark Qandil Please use paragraphs next time lol

Such an experience is so poignant, that you could almost taste it . . . however, live to talk about it !

Paul Suprono *Shakespeare? When were you resurrected?*

Yes, I remember this like it was 15 years ago, not 33. I was living in Kalamazoo MI which is 2.5 hours west of the accident and I94 goes through Ka'zoo. So sad😔

Absolutely tragic for all the families and friends of all those who lost their lives RIP

Except for a 4 year old girl

Pretty much.. too damn reliant on instrumentation rather than flying the aircraft which they’ve been paid very well to do. And .. as someone involved in aviation.. not much has changed since 1987.. very reliant.. almost too reliant on instrumentation and not enough experience just operating the damn airplane. A computer cannot tell you more than your central nervous system especially when you’re used to flying airplanes. If something doesn’t feel right.. you know it.. the pilots on this crash even realized it going down the runway and instead of listening to instinct and muscle memory.. they relied on a computer to tell them different. The computer is only as good as your configuration.

The reason this happened was at that time was all about which Airline Could be the most efficient with being on time. This flight was supposed to Phoenix then on to Santa Ana. Today They temporarily ground a lot more aircraft with incoming storms due to change in wind direction. It was very windy and was switching direction. If they would have waited for the storm to pass people might have spent the night in Phoenix Sky Harbor Airport. It would have to late to fly on to Santa Ana but they would be alive.

@@topherd1011 agreed..why do they God damn insist on having it this way?? Ive had pilots tell me the same thing you said..Id talk with them right before we take off the flight attendants let me say hi when we land and are leaving..I always thank them upfront..theyve said many times.." too much control taken away from us flying the plane..all computers" If pilots dont like it and people have died why do they care if people want to be trained and fly it themselves the way it was? It worked just fine..thanks

From 2011 to 2017, there were zero fatalities on US commercial airlines. In 2018 and 2019, there were two fatal accidents. Tell me again, how technology has made flying more dangerous. Do you people even think at all before posting?

How's that being lowly ?

They were in to much of hurry to get to both Airports on time.

"The art of human error " ..Mark Twain

I’ve forgotten flaps at least 10 times. The audible saved me every time, though inclement weather, a shorter than usual runway, and a near limit cargo weight made this a nearly impossible event to recover from. Copilot should have caught it too.

@@donnabrown4349 John Wayne Airport had a 11 o'clock noise restriction that they were ultimately trying to beat! After 11 they wouldn't have been able to land in California!

No one ever thinks of the airport personnel when this happens. Thanks for sharing. I can't imagine what the boarding people must go through.

Really sad memory.

@Billy Mack, Texas Detective How is it inaccurate?

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I KNEW MATT WELL..NOT HIS FIANCE..MATT AND I WORKED TOGETHER AT A FEW RESTAURANTS

Kyle Young Music Yes. And God has a plan for her... perhaps for her children🙏

Phaedra Thank you for posting!!

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I’d be happy I was alive but so saddened my family was killed

He most definitely does and If you didn't believe in God before this horrible accident, one thing you can take is that he is real because nobody and I mean nobody survives that without divine intervention.

Not a pilot, but I noticed the weight they carried was very close to the maximum weight, also the allocated runway 3c was shorter than the other two runway options. So I wonder, along with the flaps, could these other two factors have been of any consequence?

@@karekarenz7683 Given the way it struggled to take off, and how it then rolled to one side, I would assume so.

They were not prepared to take off at all!!

The flaps weren’t set. That’s all that mattered.

@@sludge4125 I think i'll always sit behind the wings from now on, ready to yell "NO FLAPS!!" if I see that they're up.

Just one person out of all those people. Just one.

The sole survivor was a 4-year-old girl. She was found by firemen still belted in her seat, several feet from the bodies of her mother, father, and six-year-old brother. Tragic.

@@able_archer01 Thank you for providing this information. Your reply is the Highlighted reply, and it certainly deserves to be the highlighted one. Yes, tragic.

Richard Xiong at least one child made it. 😔

Luck and circumstances. Recall when the plane the rock band Lynyrd Skynyrd was flying. Some died on impact, some were seriously wounded, others walked away unscathed. Depends on where you were at the time and the way the plane crashed. In the case of 255, the amount of energy released from the impact, it was indeed a miracle that little girl Cecilia survived. It wasn't her time.

Extend flaps on take-off. They give the plane more lift.

Who is " they " ?

@@generalgrant3189 1-44 into the video. The other pilots who had flown with him. Watch the friggin video

Dave Watson , I did watch the " frigging video " - and I don't understand your statement. What's your point ?

@@generalgrant3189 It is sarcasm. Are you aware that the term "did it by the book " means that he did it as it should be done ? My comment of "that's some book " means that can't be much of a book he is using because he stuffed up big time. I hope you now understand.

Yes, Flight 191 I lived in Garland at that time.

🤔 A highschool classmate of yours had a son, who was 6 (or 8) years old, on that flight? Was your classmate ~10 years old when she or he had that child? Very sad, even with unusual math.

@@endokrin7897, almost makes you wonder if maybe they were classmates, long BEFORE 1987, doesn't it?! Sigh...

EndoKrin i think she means s former high school classmate

shariys1 It seems from your comments that there were some pertinent details that were omitted from the story of this crash. But at least we found out that the F.O. eventually got the radio tuned to the correct frequency.

Especially when the captain was 58 years old with over 20,000 flight hours, with a reputation of doing things by the book!

@Paul G. I almost wonder if the pilot was in a diminished capacity..perhaps a TIA (tiny stroke)? 58 is still young but they isn't unusual at this age...it can temporarily disorient people and they don't even realize there is anything wrong at the moment. I don't think this was fully understood at the time this accident happened.

shariys1 BTW, if you drive up Middlebelt north to Schoolcraft (now I-96) And head east, that’s where my wife grew up. Driven and flown there many times.

@@MendTheWorld - I'll check that on Google Street level, since it's been awhile. I lived my entire life in Toledo, and came up to Detroit frequently for one thing or another. Now I'm in FL. Last time I went up to Metro, about six years ago, I got lost as hell. The place was unrecognizable. 😅😱

Just heartwrenching. My dad was a doc too, the older i get the more i understand the total commitment. Thank you

@@velvetbees I was an f/a for ual and pan Am. The airport in Detroit is not user friendly. I remember a couple of go arounds. This really upset me too

The wind kept blowing in different directions and there were thunderstorms.

Very easy to overcome, in fact, by just properly setting the damn plane for takeoff? How do pilots just forget about flaps? If they're THAT absentminded to need a checklist in order to remember to set flaps and then ignore that checklist, as well....they shouldn't be allowed to tie their own shoelaces, much less operate a commercial airliner.

@@donnabrown4349 the storms had passed over it rained a little bit and it was dry by the time fire rescue arrived on scene...windy from all directions yes.

aeomaster32 you are technically correct that other pilots admitted that they pulled the breakers and that the stall warning sounds different to normal however there was no solid evidence to prove the pilots on this flight pulled it due to the damage and the pilots death

How long does it takes to go through a check list? How many times would a pilot have a disruption? Is it protocol to start a check list over again if there is a disruption? Thanks

@@johnkettlewell4854 There are several check lists, but just restarting the one that was interrupted would run about a minute. As for being a protocol, it wasn't when I was flying, but it was just a habit of good airmanship. One downside of protocols and checklists is that they can become a substitute for thinking. They can become a mindless rote. They should be there of course, to catch missed items, but sometimes they can be read without the mind being fully focused on them.

Holy crap! We left late or we would have been in the area at the time of the crash.

It all happened so fast.

When they haven t hit tanker There haven t Explode

i was on I 275 30 minutes before the crash, i remember how bad the storm was that day!

I94 doesn't pass over Wick road.

OMG... it coulda been you!

twizatch 😂

@@robertcowling4313 To be fair though, if an alarm goes off enough times, pilots will tune it out. You see quite enough of these in gear up incidents. The thing is with Takeoff/landing, those areas are so critical and the pilot is so focused that they can miss something incredibly obvious.

@@robertcowling4313 BS

yes, even if just 20 degrees of flaps was the takeoff configuration required, it could have saved the takeoff performance, and they may have been able to climb out of the problem.

I read through all the replies and this one hits the nail on the head! There appears to have been ample time for the pilots to recognize the problem and lower the flaps. Even a few degrees may have kept the aircraft in the air! Yes, the flap warning circuit should have worked but basic airmanship should have prevailed to sense this problem!!

BS

She was 4 and lost her parents and a 6 year old brother