Jay, there is also JEDEC listed speed, which a lot of laptops / mini-desktops take. Don't make the mistake of buying XMP/DOCP/XPO ram for a laptop unless you can go into the BIOS and SEE the options, and then be very careful of updating your BIOS later. Dell has removed those setting on TWO G series laptops I've owned because they either wanted to sell you a kit at twice the price OR they didn't want your G series laptop competing with their Alienware line, that did expose those settings. So, for laptops, be careful about the RAM, and once you have upgraded, keep an eye on your BIOS updates. A lot of laptop makers don't expose those settings even on their higher end systems, so you are stuck paying higher prices for JEDEC rated RAM.

Thank you Jay for making those kind of videos! You help the comminuty a lot! Keep the great work! Can't wait for more fun vids, specially odd builds :D

Always appreciate Jay's ability to explain complex, practical, computer theories to the 'every man' and keep the student's attention. Very unappreciated ability that most college instructors lax.

Also, if the system can boot back into Windows after a crash/BSOD, it's not a bad idea to check the Event Log or Reliability Monitor to get further information about what happened (the latter explains BSOD events a bit better). And if feeling adventurous, examining the memory dump/minidump generated during the crash with windbg, and some searching and RTFM if the documentation is available. That's what I had to do to properly diagnose that my GPU was on its way out, even after reinstalling Windows 11, downgrading to Windows 10, reinstalling drivers, and doing a close-up inspection of the board. Both windbg and Reliability Monitor offered the same "basic" information you get with the BSOD ("video scheduler internal error"), but the extra details on the ID of the error code made me realize either the memory or the core were going bad. Without some proper testing tools to do memory training/tests (coughcough MODS/MATS), it's safe to say "the GPU is dead" after 7 crashes in a day and no signal after booting back into Windows. On the bright side it was a 550 Ti so nothing super expensive, but on the other hand it's an EVGA card, so it hurts a little bit.

The best to you Jay in this coming year. I look forward to seeing more of the crew. Even if they come kicking and screaming... lol😊

That was an extremely helpful vid. Thanks! Having new AM5 headaches and it is good to know that am not alone.

Wanted to see you show the difference between XMPII and XMP tweaked, and if they posted on your rig. Thanks for the video, a good one for paranoia.

Perfect timing. Just changed RAM a few months ago and forgot I never turned it on. However can't get it to stop crashing. Watching now!

really informative stuff Jay! was a pleasure watching this video

Crazy that I just started researching this issue last night, thanks man!

Also a tip for anyone enabling expo on AM5. If you’re getting long boot times because the ram is memory training on every boot. Enable memory context restore in bios.

one thing to note sometimes the errors caused by ram timings can be so subtle, they go completely unnoticed and or the error occurs hours later in the middle of a gaming session and bamboozles a user into thinking the problem lies elsewhere.

I got a 6400 XMP kit for my R5 7600 because it was the same price as the 6000 kit. I knew that 6400 probably wouldn't be stable since the highest Expo kit I saw was 6000, but for the same price I gave it a shot since I could just put in the 6000 Expo timings manually. 6400 ended up being only 90% stable and the absolute latency is the exact same between 6400 CL32 and 6000 CL30, so 6000 it is.

Great vid well explained. One of the best tech channels going ✌️

Nice studio set. Looks Great!

I was one of the ones complaining about my ram in your last video. I didn't even think of dropping the MHZ of the ram DOCP profile. I will have to give that a try next time I reboot. Thanks for the awesome videos. Started watching during your 200lb weight loss... so 2014ish.

I knew i was subscribed to you. It was nice meeting you on the Tram! 😃

Timely video, thank you Jayz!

Jay always bringen the right Video at the right time when its needed!

Great video!

This is a pretty timely video; I had some "fun" trying to enable XMP on my new build yesterday. It was on an Asrock Z690 Riptide board running what is technically unsupported memory (some rather old 3000 MHz sticks). Simply enabling XMP Profile 1 prevented the PC from posting. After updating the BIOS itself I was able to enable XMP without issues.

@jayztwocents What fans are those being used in that case sitting next to you? The ones w/ the single ring of RGB lighting.

Thanks Jay!!! Same issue you are going over. I wanted to overclock my ram so bad but my 7950x doesn’t seem to like it.

very nice and informative! 👍

Thank You sooo much, you're a life savior, my new i9 14900k specs pc with rtx 4070 super gives me lots of problems and crashes & all after following your advice things got sorted. Going to follow more tutorials, you earned 1 sub, Thanks again, lots of love from 🇮🇳.. God bless.

When I bought the RAM for my current 13700k build, I was originally gonna go with 64GB at 6400. I got this same advice from another techtuber and changed my order to 5600. I probably could’ve gone with 6000, but I wanted to be on the safe side to make sure they weren’t gonna be a problem. No issues so far.

Thanks. My #2 bu EVGA (z490kp) has had really random crashes... NOW I do think XMP has been the problem ... never considered before!

I had a kit of ram that would not work at all when selecting the XMP profile. But when I manually adjusted the all the timings and clock speed to what it was advertised at, it worked fine. A year later, that mother board was zapped by lightning, so I replaced it with the same motherboard, but newer bios and the XMP profile worked with no hitches. I later doubled the 16g kit by getting another kit of the exact same number and it works just fine even though it was not a matched 4 stick kit.

I found this video pretty helpful have you considered doing one about amd Smart access memory? I tried to enable resizable bar on my board and it wouldnt post

Hope this video has the answer I need. I’ve been having pc crashes and have tried so many things. It gets really frustrating.

I have always found QVL lists to be completely worthless. In theory, it’s such a great resource. In practicality, being able to actually find the kits that are listed there for purchase, let alone have them actually meet the aesthetics that you need, never actually plays out. Manufactures definitely need to step up their game in this area

Great video! Would be nice nice if possible a fan curve video information,for some reason my fans keeps going up and down even on idle and I don’t know why. Thanks

After my last crash the type of crash reminded me of SoC instability, which had me back retuning for stability with SoC voltage and memory timings

Hey jay love the vids, one question what is the best ram speed for gaming?

Considering the factory BIOS in my motherboard didn't officially support my 7800X3D, I'm shocked I got away with running it for a day. I made sure to get a memory kit that was on the QVL. Much as something else could probably work, being able to set EXPO and go is nice. One thing I found surprising is how aggressive SoC voltage was in the EXPO profile of my 6000CL30 kit. My 7800X3D was set to 1.3V on SoC, which I understand to be pretty high. I was able to adjust it to 1.25V without any obvious repercussions yet. I only setup the system a few days ago, so I've got more testing and tweaking to do. I also need to spend some time with the curve optimizer. My 7800X3D is boosted to 5025MHz currently, so I'm curious what a negative offset on the curve optimizer will do for temps and boosting behaviour.

Currently using 7800X3D at 6000 CL 30, it’s been great so far

I went with 4 8gb sticks from two kits, same kind type, etc. (trident z), and I've been having random crashes i can't figure out. I might have to try a 4 stick kit and see what happens. Thanks for the knowledge

Just upgraded to 7800x3d with steel legend x670e. Memory was on mobo list and expo worked. So far so good

Hey Jay, would you explain what the timing on RAM is, what the numbers mean, etc...

A QVL, or Qualified Vendor List, is provided by motherboard manufacturers and lists memory kits that have been tested to work with a specific motherboard model.

Thank you Sir.!! I believe you have found the problem I was having where my screen would "glitch" out for up to 2 seconds.. Different video cards did not help.. Different energy providers didn't help.. (off grid with 2 solar systems) .. my next option was the motherboard.. I have a Ryzen 5 7600 with 5600 ram.. It defaulted to 4800 and I upped it to 5600 in EXPO.. Now that I dropped it back to stock it seems to have fixed it.. I will probably never notice the "slower" speed ram..

Thanks for the vid that was good advice. One question I have is I have ddr5 memory and an MEG ACE Z790 MSI MB and the box on the memory if I recall said XMP 1 and XMP2 but in my bios it only gives me the option of XMP1 which is working great by the way, but I always wondered why I didn't have the second option available?

Hey Jay, you you referred to the memory as HYPERX FURY, in fact now they are KINGSTON FURY. HP bought the rights to the HyperX brand from Kingston, which in turn launched a new brand called FURY, so the memories are Kingston FURY Renegade. The other line is called Kingston FURY Beast. Great video, BTW!

With AM4 having a older board with newer AM4 CPU may also limit max ram speed. My X370 board with a 5800X would only run my Ram at 3200. Swapped my board for a B550-f board and now can run my ram at 3600.

Any chance to make a new bios guide , for all your recommended settings and best way to benchmark and stable tests for new pc setup ?

This video was great, i did so many things before watching this. I reinstalled drivers, lowered settings on my 4070 super, but got a 4080 for cheap becuase of the 4080 super. Never thought it was my RAM.

That was very well explained about memory.

I had the same issue on my rig months ago, after some test I realized that the issue appears with dimms that has xmp profiles, the ones with only expo profile work like a charm,but a lower frequencies some manufactures still limiting ram frecuencies since the Burned cpu issue on 7000 series cpu s

Very interesting. I have been trying to help people on the BG3 Steam forums after major updates to the game. Some of the most difficult issues have been the unexplained CtD or Bluescreens. Some people have found that RAM OC has been at least part of the issue, especially with AMD systems. Thanks.

Jay I have an Asus 3060 GPU and an AMD 5700 g CPU when playing MW3 I notice for the first 2 minutes of each match it's saying packet packet burst then It clears up... Do you think my CPU might be the cause of this, I'm not running it on ultra settings and I've played around with the settings quite a bit and am able to run a steady 140fps I have a small overclock on the 3060 that keeps it at a stable 2150 megahertz

Can you do some interface/audio troubleshooting videos? Ex. Window drivers and DPC latency.

Great Video, im running EXPO profile Corsair Dominator Platinum 64GBS @ 5600MHz Started at 6000MHz and worked my way down for stability. I also had to change the PMIC voltages from "SYNC all PMICS" to "By Per PMIC" to get my 4 Memory sticks to work at those clock speeds. I

hehe excellent advice I needed 2 weeks ago. 😄

Hey Jay, any chance we could get a new guide to Overclocking? Like basics from scratch? I know you've been over it, but that was with a 1080ti

Knowing your love of ultrawide monitors, are you going to test Samsung 57 G9 neo or 55 ark gen 2?

I had an occasional sound crackle in some games related to the default XMP and RAM instability (AMD X570). Had to lower the frequency manually from 3600 to 3200 and the issue went away completely. Cost me some gray hairs while I figured what exactly was wrong, as I used this setup for a few years, before Starfield (and Cyberpunk 2077 occasionally) revealed this problem to me.

D.O.C.P was an Asus specific thing on their AMD boards that utilized XMP timings.

Just what i need have had some problems with my bios lately

@JayzTwoCents and @Phil. I am looking into doing some flight sim stuff and I know you guys do a lot with VR headsets with the racing setup. I have a decent PC and I am looking at the headset strictly for the visuals and then using HOTAS for flight. I also wear glasses which I know was a thing for Phil too. What would be a decent headset that would have good display and not horrible to wear for long sessions?

Ran into this after a RAM upgrade with XMP. Would boot and idle, but crash to desktop or BSOD when under load. A few cycles later while troubleshooting, it went into a boot loop, then failed to POST entirely with a VGA error LED (which was its own adventure to realize the RAM and not the GPU was the issue). Had to revert and manually dial in intermediate settings for stability. 64GB at somewhat higher than stock speed was so worth it for video editing.

Jay how safe is it to use expo on 7800x3d now?

I have a question I have DDRR5 should I turn on XMP or just leave it at default speeds, will I see a difference?

Also have an issue with crashes to desktop after a DOS window flashes on screen for a second. All issues with and without AI OC on the CPU

I have an X370 system that started with an R5 1600. I tried all sorts of RAM and nothing wanted to overclock with stability on four sticks so for over a year it was stuck at 2133. I changed to a 2700X eventually and I managed to get a 2966 kit to overclock, but the 2666, the 3000, the 3200, and the 3600 didn't want to know. I have just dropped in a 5800X and the 3600 overclocked with no fuss at all. It really has come a long way.

May i ask if you know why AMD GPUs sometimes just crash when the PC is idle? Because my friend who has a 6600xt does that. My XTX does it before but it stopped after a while. The RGB of the PC will turn off and the monitor is black until you move the mouse to "wake it up" again.

Semi beginner, is my R5 5600x good with my vengeance 32gb 3600? Recently I’ve been getting tons of game crashing and a couple pc blue screens, ever since I oc ram from 2133 to 3600, but at the same time, I did add a third monitor and second hard drive.

Thanks

I just realised Jay never installes a beeper? i always put mine up to am4 i am now atleast. was this feature removed on further boards?

i am having this issue with my r5 7600x blue screens and what not thank you for the video

I have a Asus Rog Crosshair Formula VIII board, i was wondering if its better to run a 4x8 kit or is it better to run a 2x16 Kit?

I had a similar problem with my old i5 8600 that when i max out the RAM overclock some programs and games would crash but the system wouldn't. I had to go back and set the overclock to what the CPU could handle according to Intel.

Can you do a video about AIDA64 third party integrations? With you recommending it a lot of my friends complained to me that AIDA64 does crash their AIO or RGB software. Lot of people see that video but after installing it their PC becomes unstable or unusable due to incompatibilities between for example iCUE and AIDA64.

Hey Jay I had a problem with my HP laptop it has 16mb ram 500gb SSD. Started showing blue screen, did some research and caps lock button was flashing a series of on-off. So what I did was replace CMOS battery now works like a charm.

What do we think my issue could be on a 5600x, 32g 3600mhz (adjust to 3600 in bios) on a Msi x570 on windows 10; that blue screens a kernel security issue when only loading iRacing. Any other program or title plays fine.

Great video ... last night my 7950X suddenly wouldn't boot my EXPO settings. No idea why, I didn't change anything. I flashed the CMOS, went back in and switched on EXPO and everything worked again. No overclock on the CPU since this is my production machine. It reminded me of your recent video explaining why you decided to go back to Intel. I can feel your pain 😉

The reason I checked the motherboards compability list, down to the specific memory module maker, doing this I haven't had any problem running both the 3700X and 5800X3D with 64Gb of 3600Mhz memory.

I feel like this videos addressing my stupid ass haha 😂 thanks Jay ❤

one thing to point out not all ddr5 is at a base clock of 4800 now. it important to check you motherboard and what base clocks it works with.

Which spec will be perfect to build for gaming pc for gta 6 (trailers out)

I just updated my AM4 system, with some 3000MHz corsair ram. Experiencing weird crashes when the memory is loaded (black screen, audio freezes or starts spamming last sample, just black screen restart) and I'm not sure if it's because of my DOCP profile, considering I'm running it one step lower (3000 isn't stable) at 2933. Might try to follow some of these tips.

Hi Jay, If you can answer it would be really helpful I have a 7700X and 4 sticks of 16GB XMP 6000 Mhz and gigabyte x670 gaming x ax motherboard, on this MB my ram only runs at XMP on the base bios version, any newer bios doesn't post with XMP enabled What do you suggest as my post times are 60sec and I have heard the new AMD bios are allowing people to boot faster and memory context restore also goes into boot loop

How long should you press the CLEAR_CMOS button on the back? It's never worked for me this way...

So I am weary of not having enough power for my system. I have a 7800x3D and an MSI 3080 paired with a 750W power supply. I have noticed that when I power on my system and launch a demanding game, my mic in discord will become very staticy and nothing works to fix it. I fear that this is a shortage of power from the PSU. Would lowering my RAM speed from 6000mhz help this power draw? Or should I just bite the bullet and get an 850 or 1000W PSU?

Here is one for you Jay. I get random shudders audio and video, I'm pretty sure I tracked the problem down but I've been seeing it more and more in my friend group. Its not due to not having enough power for the app/game.

For a Reliable computer do you recommend DDR5 or DDR4 for serious works loads

I had so many blue screens and freezes on my 7900x3d with 6000mhz, 32gb Corsair ram! Drove me nuts! Went back and got 32gbs approved on the qvl and haven't had a problem since!

This is a great vid for me, as on my current system I've never been able to run XMP stable. I changed my RAM thinking that was the issue, but I still have an unstable system with XMP enabled. System is: Asus Strix Z590, i9-10900k, 32Gb Kingston Fury DDR4 3200. I can manually O/C the RAM to just below XMP speed with 1.35v, but no XMP. So if I understand correctly, this is down to CPU and not MB?

My ram kit has 2 different timings listed on websites. Some say 16-18-18-36 and others say 16-19-19-36 is this enough tto cause instability if one of them is wrong and im using that one.

Thank you! 🫡

What does it mean when I could run XMP2 no problem with a previous bios, then I update the bios and now games crash to desktop/ I get random BSOD and the only way the games/PC run normally is without any XMP?? Asus z790 F 2002 bios, gSkill TridentZ5 DDR5 6400mhz CL 32, i9 12900k

Hello @anyone I have a question I have a windows 10 pc and my sleep function has recently stopped working the pc sets itself to sleep never every time I restart the pc and when I click start and click sleep my monitors turn off but the pc stays on lights fans... I have done everything I can find on KZfaq/redit and nothing seems to fix it any help is very much appreciated thanks in advance.

Can anyone tell me if it'd be worth it to do the xmp and overclock my ram to the actual MHz of my ram? I have ddr4 corsair vengeance ram 3200 MHz, I'm debating on doing the xmp thing, but I'm unsure if it'd be even worth it. I have a ryzen 7 5700G and a RX 6700XT

I have a prebuild with a 13900KS, 64gb DDR5 6000 MT/s paired with an Asus Z790 Extreme motherboard. The SI builder used two identical single sticks, not a tested paired kit. I keep getting random correctable WHEA errors in HWInfo sometimes thousands - even tens of thousands of errors while gaming or benchmarking. What's crazy is the system is completely stable and I have been told it's either ram or PCIE Power Management settings in bios? Since my pc is stable should I worry about it? I don't want to go down the rabbit hole changing bios settings unnecessarily without some concrete guidance as to what is causing it.

I am currently running the my system in 4x16 configuration. The sticks that I have are 6000 CL36 rated, however I am not able to run them at that speed due to 13900K memory controller limitation. What I did was enable XMP profile to load the timings in and then manually lowered the memory speed from 6000 to 5600. My system has not crashed once since I built it. It's been over 8 months now. Fun fact though, whenever I use 4 sticks of RAM the XMP Tweaked disappears from the Profile list.

Is it usual for MB red light to shine during start-up? The computer works great and LED goes off, but I just noticed that and couldn't find any information in the manual. Gigabyte B760

I just got some free memory 16gb of 2x8Gb patriot viper 4400mhz cl19 memory with Samsung B-die chips. Im running it on a Asus ROG Strix b550-f gaming board with a 5700x and a rtx 3090. Should I enable d.o.c.p? Should I lower the timings and clock speed to prevent fclk going to 2000mhz or higher?

I had an issue where mine actually went bad. I had some CORSAIR Vengeance RGB Pro SL 32GB (4 x 8GB) 288-Pin PC RAM DDR4 3600, obv out of the box they were at 2400. I was able to enable OC profile to 3600, but sometimes after reboot it liked to reset to 2400. Eventually one of the modules went bad and the PC wouldnt boot if I had it installed. I had to send the kit back and Corsair was great and replaced them all. I havent had issues sense. But it def was struggle bus for a while.

I had an MSI X570, Ryzen 2700x and G.SKILL Ripjaws V Series 16GB (2 x 8GB) with XMP enabled and I suspect it killed my RAM. I Replaced it with the G.SKILL Ripjaws V Series 32GB (4 x 8GB) (it was on sale so I bought a 2nd set after exchanging 1). Would it be wise NOT to enable XMP in this case or was it just bad RAM? It worked for at least 18 months with it enabled.

I've recently did a Bios Update on my B550 board and while I could run 3600MT with DOCP earlier, after the update, I can't manage to hit that frequency anymore. It caused me a lot of headaches and stress recently but so far it runs okay on 3000MT DOCP profile. Could this be caused by the threat mitigation updates that CPUs have received via bios updates?

Do you have a MPG Z790 EDGE TI MAX X WIFI MSI bord to show the settings.