this would go perfectly in the carmugeon subreddit

@@papakwasiasiedu5280what's the r/ ?

@@papakwasiasiedu5280 the whaaaa? (runs to Reddit)

... it's that I want a lot of different cars. $ 47K = 8 cars and a modest budget.

4700 is more than I paid for my truck that I've had for 10 years and put 150k miles on

@@imgooley that isn't a driver's car but yeah, cars are extremely expensive these days (last few years, to be more specific)

EFF dept and depreciation. Gimme something fun and weird.

@@eugenux paid 3500 for my firebird, facilitated a few Corvette buys, and am primarily a hot rod and low rider guy. The rules apply across the board. And my truck is a stick with double wishbone front suspension to be fair

ADHD + OCD = The Carmudgeon Show

and end the show with the Revel-icons hybrid idea

I bought my GR86 a year ago at the age of 54. Great car, rather have it than an older Porsche. It’s my second car and a luxury. My 24 year old son couldn’t have swung it.

I couldn’t even consider one and went with a Mustang instead because I couldn’t find one within 150 miles of me to test drive

There's not alot of people who are It's a committee-made sports car without the styling or aftermarket of the previous generation that everyone is familiar with

Additionaly, at least here in Germany, insurance is like M5 and more than Boxster... Got my GT86 in 2014 when it was one year old and buying it ~10.000€ below new MSRP is a no brainer compared to buying it new.

Why not order one?

The Miata has been curing automotive diseases for 3 decades now 👍

I think the 992.2 makes for a great Engineering Explained video, not really an Icons. No manual and no analog gauges (whole dash is just a display) could be a Revelations episode exactly like a Golf Mk8, highlighting the many things wrong with it, and coming to the conclusion of "well it exists, that's about it" +1 for the Miata though, Anthony will probably be pushing for one as well

100%. They even referenced it as something worth looking forward to without bringing up 5,400 lbs.

​​@@clinttubeI think these guys are a lot less terminally-online than the average viewer. Chances are they haven't even heard about the disgrace that is the new M5. They also say RS6 is continuing without acknowledging that it's being renamed RS7 (probably they are unaware). Jason spends his time thinking about old cars until a manufacturer drops a new car in his driveway for a test drive. My suspicion is that he has driven so many cars that he doesn't even care to think about or speculate on a new car until he's behind the wheel.

Well at least he was correct about it getting its doors blown of by a base EV

lol time for “BMW is having a bad day v2.0”

@@FeLiX13sLaVe lol maybe so. Although I cannot imagine given the E39 M5 shirts Jason wears that he missed the announcement I mean I usually don't know about specs/reveals for months at least, but KZfaq got me the memo. I do have a V10 6-speed M6 though, so the algo probably knew it'd get a rise out of me. Or that it'd make me feel less self-conscious about weight given all I could find that fit the bill was the convertible. And as far as DTS is aware BMW could be making forklifts nowadays... I don't fault him for that though, not his bailiwick. Willful ignorance is bliss I suppose haha.

i think car ideals on media underrates this kinda driving fun: normally people are thinking of driving fun as a sense of accomplishment from escaping danger. but much more relevant and less risky/costly is fun of driving efficiently. driving efficiently is making power at optimal RPM and fuel amount especially at down hillish roads (more speed with less torque (pushing power) used, like speeding before uphills. brake and steering minimally and steadily. neutral gear in transmission for coasting which also turns off using hybrid system regenerative braking os it doesnt eat up your coasting speed , and ideally hybrid energy used only on 0 to 5 or 10 miler per hour for max battery longevity per efficiency, minimal tire emissions and tire life loss. mid engine, limited slip differential, also helps.r

Great point. You may be ahead of the crowd on this; looking at motorcycle sales they've fallen off a cliff since 2007. I don't get the impression there are many young people riding bikes. When I got my first bike in high school and 2nd in college there were a number of my friends that ended up getting them and it seemed much more common than now. I don't ride much at all anymore but still have my 2004 ZZR600 which was plenty quick and comfortable for me. However I know for sure if I dived into bikes that #1 spouse would be terrified and #2 I'd graduate to serious motorcycles quickly that might be bad for my health. My grandmother and granddad both had bikes into their 70's so maybe I'm just a wimp. Nonetheless, nothing beats a motorcycle ride. Safe riding!

I got into bikes 10+ years ago for the same reason - I couldn't afford and didn't have the space for a second "fun" car. Want an affordable, manual, naturally aspirated, high-revving machine? Motorcycle.

I think that to but then I factor in maintenance/repair costs on the used bmw. At least with the gr/brz you get a new car woth a warranty tough decision

Hmmmm, in about a year, that might be doable 👀😄

This is the definition of as advertised lol, you won’t get that car for that price

@@user-br1up5vw4h Got mine last fall for ~$62k. But it’s a base model, no sunroof even.

@@user-br1up5vw4h eh, I searched after seeing that comment - there's literally a '22 within 30 miles of me with 5k miles at $60k.

@@cloudyview no I get that, walk into the dealership and try to pay 60, it’s not gonna happen, after “fees” that car is gonna be 10 over sticker, that’s just what they do for loss leaders these days, which any of the black wings are gonna be.

Cool to hear young people are getting back into bikes. I rode everywhere in high school/college ~15 years ago and still have my bike, but rarely ride it since my riding buddies mostly sold their bikes about 10 years ago. Unlike cars it's easier to have something that you can push hard/learn on without being ridiculously costly - save for some potential medical bills. Assuming/hoping you guys have taken riding courses/whatnot but it makes you so much better as a driver too. Don't give up on cars though; I just got my newest and most expensive car by a factor of 2x 6 months ago and it's a 2009. Haven't lost money on a single car I've owned (aside from my 04 GTO I lost $1000 on when it was totaled but I put >125k miles on) by just having unusual ~$20k cars at the bottom of their depreciation curve for years. Took me >10 years to feel financially ready to step up the $ I have in vehicles by 4x, but instead of buying a $100k car I have 3 manual transmission naturally aspirated 2005-2009 V8's/V10s from $20-$40k. Morale of the story is if you guys are patient you'll come out ahead - don't give into the temptation when your boy finances a $100k AMG that depreciates 20% a year. Safe riding!

Huh. I thought it was an '80s hard rock band.

Sweet cars; 100% agree. As the cost of living goes up faster than compensation, all but the top 5% or so of earners have to decide between being financially prudent and building wealth or buying/owning/leasing a new car. It'll take a long time for most people to get to the point where that $1k-$2k monthly payment is manageable, whereas the 55-70 year olds had lower costs and a wider window of success to get to that point. Granted, it's not a fair comparison because of time, but the ability of people in their 20's 30's 40's to allocate enough of their income to cars to have new/newish cars has been cut dramatically. You can pull it off during those years if you resign yourself to being a permanent renter/debtor, but the average person is either going to have to do that or wait for many years for that to become feasible - and who knows how much those cars will cost at that point haha.

@@clinttube you’re absolutely right man. One of the reasons I sold mine was taking a hard look at what I was spending on monthly payments for my car while having a kid in grade school and another finishing high school. Plus it was my only car and I was driving A LOT… to the tune of over 75k miles when I sold it in November of 2023. Maintenance was starting to get expensive and I still had other obligations. Had I been in debt or paying back student loans or not making decent money; would’ve been impossible. But even a base 330 with decent options is a hefty ask these days. No wonder people are opting for older fun cars, or newer “appliances” to get the job done.

@@brandonchism6960 (sorry, I was stuck somewhere so thesis incoming) Dang that is a lot of miles in 2 years lol. Sounds like you made the prudent move. DEFINITELY not worth it in my opinion to be putting that many miles on a new car that's depreciating. However, I'd also say if you're driving that much and spending probably like 10%-25% of your day in your car, it's justifiable to spend an unusually high amount on it. If I were in your position I'd be trying to find a 5-10 year old high-ish mileage highly depreciated luxury cruiser with some sportiness that gets reasonable hwy mpg. Let somebody else basically do what you did with the M3 but for 1-2 years longer and pick it up then. Newer performance cars are so expensive partially because they've become such good all-arounders. I think to be financially smart you either have to: A: accept depreciation and high initial cost on a new performance all-arounder like your M3, or B: take the added complication/effort/space of splitting duties and finance a used, max bang-for-buck toaster with carplay/adaptive cruise that'll still depreciate some but cost half as much to buy/run/insure, and also have a fun, older, performance car that is done depreciating or is appreciating with collector car insurance/minimal unavoidable annual costs. I've owned 5 different 6-speed 2004-06 Pontiac GTOs (with a SSR in between - yea I'm weird I guess) for this exact reason. Only car I've ever lost $ on was my 04 I put 125k on it over 7 years. Despite loving the GTO, of course I wanted something different, but they were manageable to repair/run and never depreciated (actually appreciated enough for me put on "free" miles). The only true car "upgrades" I'd consider were $35k-$45k because I'd want something different. No way could I have gotten a mortgage at 25 with a car payment, so I just kept playing that game for 10 years until recently when I was financially ready to allocate significant new $ to cars again. Even now though, I have a 2005, 2007, and 2009 - all manuals all naturally aspirated 2xV8 and a V10. Friends with their $100k new cars initially wonder what I'm doing but I tell em I honestly cannot prudently afford a single $100k new car. However, spreading miles across 3 rare/non-depreciating $20k-$40k older cars to me maximizes driving pleasure with minimal unavoidable costs. I've convinced myself that math will work, plus while not an investment they're at least a partial inflation hedge which could appreciate significantly over time. Like you said even underwhelming new base models of "fun" cars with decent options are a lot now. That said, if there's a new/newish car you really love and want to own for 7-10 years, I think it's easier to make the math work to justify the depreciation. The problem is you gotta have the income to cover that chunky payment ON TOP of mortgage/living expenses if you want to actually save any $. Which, although doable, would mean giving up most flexibility to move to a nicer house if an opportunity arises. I truly am amazed at how so many people afford the $60k-$85k new cars I see driving around everywhere. It can't be they are all actually making $150k-$250k a year with no/minimal debt. Discounting the solid # who have the income/no debt or who have done the sacrificing already/are older, it seems like it's got to be people are just car-poor and don't realize it because they only care about the monthly payment and never have any equity in it. Either that or they are ok with never being able to retire. If it's a business lease write-off that's understandable (albeit not something I think is fairly implemented as a taxpayer), but otherwise I just don't get it because that BMW 530 M-sport or whatever can't be bringing so many people 5 figures/year worth of excess enjoyment lol. Cars aren't the only valuable thing in life.

Emira..?

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Yeah that’s….unbelievable. I’d believe $550 for a 6 month policy.

This has to be an 18 year old who lives downtown San Francisco? Right? Doesn't make sense for anywhere else

Aren’t motorcycles getting pricey too? I see them going for $20k+ nowadays

@@TomK-ti8kp yea maybe liter bikes but those are nearly unusable on the street. Middle weight is where it’s at. And you can find plenty of options under 10k on the used market. Even a “beginner” bike will be a world of difference of visceral experience compared to some of the best sports cars. An SV650 can compete with a 911 for example and it’ll be way more raw and exhilarating for 90% less money.

Wait, are you saying you bought a new car that was roughly 60% of your ANNUAL PROJECTED income at that point first thing after landing a job? Man, if that's the case you're so oblivious to your privilege it's actually hilarious.

You also have to keep in mind, that it's not just the Mustang that got much more expensive, it's also housing, food, energy,... Wages just don't keep up with the increase in cost of living, unless you're already way above a certain paygrade.

Yeah, you got a good job in IT. So?

@@georgebull-mclean3333 I think his point was, that he had a well paying job and could afford a car in 2006, but the wages for the very same job today just haven't kept up with the price increase of cars (or just literally anything). Wages are too damn low, compared to everything getting more expensive.

@@TheDr1Acula Yes, exactly that. I am not tooting my horn, I am saying the wages of today have not kept up in a way that would allow a 20-something with a fresh college degree and little-to-no dependencies to go out and buy something like a new Mustang GT. To say nothing of someone that is married, trying to buy a house, start a family, and has to deal with literally EVERYTHING else costing WAY more than it did 20 years ago.

The diesel real world fuel economy is a very good point. I don't think the EPA cycle really does justice to the overall benefits of diesel over gas, which has similar advantages to hybrids (more torque and efficiency down low, leading to better city fuel economy over similar gasoline engines). There's a reason diesel has been so successful in Europe.

My uncle/aunt recalls their community college parking lot filled with mk3 Supras, which was a current model at the time

Yeah there must be some confusion there. I’m guessing he thought $550 for a 6 month policy was the monthly price.

My Corvette is best Corvette because affordable performance

Walk. Our ride in electric bus?

@@davemachoukas6175 The ability to speak does not make you intelligent.

at Emira I was thinking myself as well.

Sounds like DTS said “pole Ester” Cracked me up! TomAto, tomahhto I guess

37:44 why are you saying it like that???