Ebbn, great vid, Its Makrura, 19 hunter twink from awhile back we fought a few times. I did similar theory crafting for rogue/hunter. very excited for SOD, have a big feeling the pvp is going to be very similar to twinking. Oh also that mace is quite insane. Oh and anyone trying to cop that mace, might want to pick up a few lesser invis pots and target dummies.
@Ebbnflow8 ай бұрын
Good points on the invis pots. Yeah I'm excited for the low level pvp!
@bathsalts6668 ай бұрын
great vids i enjoy seeing the theorycrafting for sod on your streams
@0veson8 ай бұрын
Already bringing top tier info. Thank you as always Ebbn!
@Ebbnflow8 ай бұрын
I do what I can!
@yosoyhansolo8 ай бұрын
Couldn't have said it better myself!
@stephencarroll76278 ай бұрын
Exactly what I was looking for...earned a sub...well done
@Ludydobry8 ай бұрын
I really cant wait for this, it looks so fun. Prot Pala in Classic here we go, finally :D
@TheBalkanRocket8 ай бұрын
Top tier info, thank you for showing this site! Time for some theorycrafting!
@shortkeys738 ай бұрын
It would be really impressive if anyone could get that 1h mace at lvl 25. Part of the quest has you get a book from the end of SM Lib.
@ProdigaliNKGaming8 ай бұрын
100% it will be done. Sweaties will sweat
@hallo-mt5tx8 ай бұрын
people cleared cathedral during classic wow beta when level cap was 30 its probably going to be easier than that with these new rune effects
@Ebbnflow8 ай бұрын
It's possible!
@galkawarrior8 ай бұрын
Also, doesn't it require for you to be LVL 30 to even pick up the final quest?
@setneubauer38518 ай бұрын
@@EbbnflowI was really hyped for the Windstorm hammer and the wand equivalent. Convinced my friends that we all gonna roll horde for that reason. However one thing dawned on me. Blizzard is also gonna make SM into a raid of unknown size. So it might not even be possible to enter library and finish that quest pertaining to the questline. Also they said they will rework quest rewards relevant to the leveling raids. Fingers crossed that it's still possible to get this at level 25. But its not 100%. Unless you can prove me wrong I suppose. Please do!
@crimsonautumnsun8 ай бұрын
@ebbnflow I have an idea for another video. You could make a "SoD preparation" video where you talk about your plans for the first week or two of launch. What professions you want to max out, what quest items you want to get ASAP, what reps are worth grinding early (WSG rep?) and other stuff like that!
@Redrusted8 ай бұрын
Glad to see youre back! It looks like your planning on playing shaman tank!? Is that what you plan to main or something else?!
@oskarpettersson76698 ай бұрын
Amazing. Im waiting for the full walkthrough of druid with the same details and research as were shown in this video 🤩
@riklaunim8 ай бұрын
In theory, Horde can do "The Corrupter" quest chain in Desolace where the last quest in the chain is to kill a level 40 elite (the quest has required 25) and get rewards from that. IF you can enter SM Lib the whole chain o Quest of Lore is possible and those rewards.
@joshholmes13728 ай бұрын
Hopefully they won't change SM before it's phase.
@riklaunim8 ай бұрын
@@joshholmes1372 would be bit odd to be able to do normal and new versions of gnomer and SM. But still maybe they won't be interested in untangling quests related to SM and just add 10 man or the change will affect only cathedral.
@GuyHeadset8 ай бұрын
Wouldn't you need like a full on raid group to do that quest at level 25?
@riklaunim8 ай бұрын
@@GuyHeadset at minimum :D a 5 man pulls and a raid or two help to take it down. Respawn and repeat with another 5-man... this would be glorious.
@danny-99888 ай бұрын
The shield from that quest will be insane on shaman with the shield mastery rune.
@THINKSOIAM8 ай бұрын
Eh yo glad to see you produce a video bro, good job
@Hipp10628 ай бұрын
7:55 isn't the armor multiplier only applicable to cloth and leather items?
@aus10468 ай бұрын
the players were wearing Triprunner Dungarees during the Blizzcon demo. So I'm confident they will be in the game
@kittan54508 ай бұрын
Bro yesterday i wasted 1 hour trying to get something like this, thank you for letting us know.
@wulfgrimtv47648 ай бұрын
That cloth chest from BFD is decent for any clothy. But its almost 800 Armor for a Warlock Tank making it easily BIS.
@MrBkEra8 ай бұрын
I don't think there will be normal BFD right?
@dubzeiden8 ай бұрын
@@MrBkEra no, all quests associated with BFD still seem to be in place. For example the horde one for the water ele, which is the first boss now. 3 day lockout tho so it wont be that bad
@devin62728 ай бұрын
I was wanting a new experience with this season but I think i just gotta be a druid like always. Thanks for keeping my druid dream alive all these years.
@Brickwinds8 ай бұрын
Luckily, because of these changes, it should still be a new experience for you.
@froxz59927 ай бұрын
by chance they did something to balance?
@topplopp97518 ай бұрын
Ebbn, what do you think will be a good pvp specc for druids? You think deep feral or maybee balance will now have a chance?
@Ebbnflow8 ай бұрын
for 25 I'm not sure yet, Its going to be a learning process for sure at the start!
@Slashoom7 ай бұрын
AGM and Lucky Fishing Hat are back on the menu boys!
@ayyyizme8 ай бұрын
I set all sources except BoE and it still is autofilling these .08% BoE dungeon drops. Is there a fix for this?
@dunder7276 ай бұрын
Thanks!
@JELKEK8 ай бұрын
Something about wailing caverns, deadmines and blackfathom deeps being relevant, farmable content makes me balls tickle. I love this.
@gambinit84298 ай бұрын
with the new loot system is there much point at using old classic item comparrison?
@Ebbnflow8 ай бұрын
I think it gives you a good idea on pieces to pick up before jumping into the raid
@jeffersonshuck19348 ай бұрын
the triprunner dungarees were in the blizzcon test I think, not that that means anything for actual release
@Ebbnflow8 ай бұрын
ahh good to know!
@galkawarrior8 ай бұрын
We're going to see lots of Paladins rocking the Verigan's Fist.
@wylatron7 ай бұрын
It’s fun to think about this stuff, but what are the odds that what we’re going to use isn’t changing? Warlock tanks for instance, apparently agility is going to come into the equation. But who knows lol
@cod-the-creator8 ай бұрын
Do you think they're going to buff pre-bis dungeon items like in SFK, WC, or DM?
@Ebbnflow8 ай бұрын
I don't think so, just because the items we've seen from the raid seem similar to the stats on other gear around level 25
@cod-the-creator8 ай бұрын
@@Ebbnflow I think also Blizz would have specifically mentioned it - they talk about "discovery" but they do love filling up PPT slides. Lame because it feels like the whole game is going to be inside BFD or whatever current tier is which is not vanilla-like at all.
@TroJon_088 ай бұрын
I don’t wanna go to mid max on questing for gear. I would be afraid to do all quest at 25 and when it’s time to lvl up again I don’t have anything.
@gxrssll7 ай бұрын
Inferno Robe is unavailable now, used to be you can get it at 19 however its fixed now, first part is available but the second part correctly now requires 35, unfortunately
@SpiffyLeaf7 ай бұрын
I wanna see a FireLock with that Inferno Robe
@UlfMTG8 ай бұрын
do this for druids please... I really want to play druid but no idea if they will even be viable in PvP/PvE
@Quintonhabz8 ай бұрын
omg he's back
@chainclaw078 ай бұрын
I want to play SoD blind. In terms of wanting to diacover things. However, any changes to loot tables does not count as spoilers to me.
@Ebbnflow8 ай бұрын
I want to go in blind, but I love speculation!!
@trorisk7 ай бұрын
What is very clever on the part of the developers of classic SoD is to have made overpowering “Binds when picked up” crafts which are linked to underused max level professions. If someone wants to min-max a level 25 a paladin or a warrior he would have to be a blacksmith and leatherworking. And we don't know what the most optimal professions will be for level 40 and then for level 50 and then for level 60... This therefore leaves the possibility of having to change professions at each level cap.
@Spirosbotos8 ай бұрын
you guys excited for SOD??!!
@ksherman518 ай бұрын
Do you think there wil genuinely be a need for pre-bis for BFD? My thought was you hit 25 with decent gear and clear BFD which offers a ton of gear better than anything else you can get at 25. I hope we need to get a form of prebis tbh
@user-vj3xs8fh5g7 ай бұрын
you should be get able to get all of the prebis via AH/world drops, or questing 20-25 and wont have to farm much of it if you know what you are doing
@ondamixtape7 ай бұрын
Rogue or warlock for sure pvp ?
@brewtank67388 ай бұрын
Wait is the Druid off hand randomly fire for warlock tank LOL
@Ebbnflow8 ай бұрын
Yes, also great for lock tanks!
@warmspell75628 ай бұрын
Someone in my town owns a Delica. She said it’s a really fun vehicle, but hard to find parts.
@Ebbnflow8 ай бұрын
I love my delica!
@Simplecrow75848 ай бұрын
Are they implementing duel spec for SoD?
@Ebbnflow8 ай бұрын
They said potentially
@c2thewick8 ай бұрын
plus all the new gear that will be added to the game
@kevinjs268 ай бұрын
I hope elemental is viable right out the gate. I don't want to be running out of mana in 5 seconds.
@mikeyoung578 ай бұрын
Wont that 1h mace not be availably because they're doing a 10man raid for SM. And you need to do SM For that quest.
@Ebbnflow8 ай бұрын
Yeah we will have to see what happens!
@adamjacobs42098 ай бұрын
Keep in mind ele sham will use fire spells and totems now too ;) but im not sure if inferno robes were available in classic? Didnt they get changed at TBC to the fire damage? Or mayve it was the level req thatvchanged and made them available.
@Ebbnflow8 ай бұрын
Not sure. I swore you could get them.
@atbmts68 ай бұрын
@@Ebbnflowyou could, it was definitely a thing I had a mage twink with it back in the day
@mopchild82428 ай бұрын
@@atbmts6 you can’t sadly part of the chain so 30+ in tbc you only needed requirement to accept first part then could complete all
@mattperez17057 ай бұрын
If we get inferno robes back, it will have (I believe) 14 intellect rather than fire damage I'd imagine
@neilyoung45258 ай бұрын
Wb ebbn ❤
@scruffybob63668 ай бұрын
For alliance: Archeus is a 2 handed sword with a chance on hit arcane blast damage proc. It's a quest reward from the Mor'ladim questline in Duskwood.
@setneubauer38518 ай бұрын
its level 28 min req level for that sadly
@scruffybob63668 ай бұрын
@@setneubauer3851 Oh sorry, yes that is correct! It's a rad sword though, my bad.
@Zutang7778 ай бұрын
Hopefully we get a few level 25 Epics from the raid.
@connorkenney69388 ай бұрын
And class specific rare’s
@yongefy8 ай бұрын
True retail mindset here. Purples purples, nah its not mandatory. Even green items can feel unique in classic. Hopefully we dont get tons of generic purples that has no meaning in classic
@Qstorm888 ай бұрын
@@yongefyThis
@Zutang7778 ай бұрын
An example would be iron foe. Is Iron Foe a retail mindset? should it be removed from classic?
@sgonged8 ай бұрын
wow is back
@thesquonk19548 ай бұрын
Good info, great video. I would add tho that the corrupter quest is gonna be impossible to clear at 25. Killing a lvl 40 Elite is not gonna happen, even with full BiS.
@JT-mt6ku8 ай бұрын
We’re going to have multiple 5 man groups stacking up together to swarm it down I guarantee it
@Ebbnflow8 ай бұрын
in classic beta capped at 30 we cleared SM cath, it will be done even if its a challenge!
@onofish4878 ай бұрын
Grab basalt buckler only a lvl 40 elite quest to get though.
@Ebbnflow7 ай бұрын
People 5 maned sm cath at level 30 in the beta, so level 40 isn't a huge issue
@runek128 ай бұрын
I like the idea, but I hope they have revamped a good amount of quest and dungeon drops
@Ebbnflow8 ай бұрын
It seems like most of the quest items are untouched from what they said
@maivezonk7 ай бұрын
priests?
@loverofbigdookies8 ай бұрын
sixtyupgrades isnt a complete database. Use wowhead's gear planner instead
@Ebbnflow8 ай бұрын
Definitely can go that route!
@user-kg3re9qu1y8 ай бұрын
AFAIK, Gnomes even with 235 engineering still will not be able to get Goblin Rocket Helmet. You need to be level 30 to pick either gnomish or goblin engineering, no?
@Ebbnflow8 ай бұрын
yes, but there is a underwater helm that has 15 stam that will be available!
@mopchild82428 ай бұрын
Go go fishing hat@@Ebbnflow
@user-kg3re9qu1y7 ай бұрын
@@Ebbnflow Yes, but you need a truesilver casing which will be very difficult to get hands on those bars requires alchemy. Even the +5mining to gloves to mine truesilver requires the bars. Very few gnomes will have access to this helmet week one. Although yeah it's possible to get, it's going to be tough to get just like the fishing hat. You need to use 3 48hr CD's to get the enchant that allows you to mine truesilver freely for wide distribution. The easiest way to make the bars is with the 48hr cd which is 1 Helm craftable per 48hr CD unless a group of people scouts truesilver with someone who invested the resources into the +5 enchant. Edit: Not to mention the enchant recipe comes from 41 level mobs at a somewhat low drop chance also requiring a group.
@Momosu8 ай бұрын
Wheres the Hunter stuff D:
@Ebbnflow8 ай бұрын
There is a good bow for ally called raptors end and a nice horde bow as well!
@wmcarter60968 ай бұрын
Everything's hunter stuff
@TheZajic238 ай бұрын
big chance, that every dungeon past BFD will be locked (my reasoning is if BFD is raid, why allow us to go in higher instances) and noone will be viable to even enter, which rules out Winstorm.. Verigans may not be in game, or bit diff, cuz quest requiere original BFD to enter.. spellpower goggles wont be viable, recipe droping from 35+ mobs..
@Ebbnflow8 ай бұрын
Interesting idea on the dungeons, could be true. The goggles can be purchased from other players so I believe someone will get the recipe on a server and sell them for a big markup
@TheZajic238 ай бұрын
but did u seen where that BLUE recipe drop from? xD @@Ebbnflow thats the issue ... Verigans definetly wont be in game as preraid bis, but can imagine it will be slightly buffed, its q reward with raid part :) counter argument is that mace is still stronger than new custom sword xD
@Bman246417 ай бұрын
That weapon is going to be rough to get. Those crates aren’t unique… someone can click all 4 and spawn 4 separate attack waves simultaneously 😢
@Barney458 ай бұрын
Is twinking back? I haven’t played WoW for nearly 15 years now but when I left I had several very serious lvl 19 twinks. It would be cool to hop on and play again if there’s still a community for it.
@vuduchildx8 ай бұрын
Nice video.
@carlf-up38158 ай бұрын
This is only if you count in old classic items... like we gonna have other items on 25 to level when cap gets higher that we don´t know about and skills we didn´t have before.
@patrickprice31257 ай бұрын
Why so vague about some of these items
@uberling5247 ай бұрын
I hope we cant get Arena Grand Master Trinket. Tanks are barely going to even have 1250 hp. so your going to have every one death running over to the Arena to Farm this trinket really dumb if they dont make it unavailable.
@benpearson258 ай бұрын
pvp grand muster is locked so you cant get it at 25
@killgore258 ай бұрын
I really like your videos because the topics and perspectives are important to me. Idk if you need a script but it’s really hard to listen to you mouse over an item and just never say it’s name. “This”
@Ebbnflow8 ай бұрын
thanks for the feedback, makes sense!
@Ryu_MMO8 ай бұрын
Like the video please give me all your juicy druid secrets :)
@matthewcrum61077 ай бұрын
dont register they going to take your account
@TheGrumpyMunchkins8 ай бұрын
Planning gear this way is really pointless because they're adding a bunch of new gear like in the BFD raid as well as for PvP.
@Ebbnflow8 ай бұрын
Yes but you will want decent gear going into pvp and PvE content!
@Vyomesh8398 ай бұрын
But I wanna show up to the raid in full pre-raid BiS. It's just how I roll.
@monocerotis69178 ай бұрын
The most worrying thing about the new SoD is that they put in a lot of new items that are unbalanced and that they take a long time before they hotfix both items and abilities if they notice that things are not good in the game. It ruins wow classic, and unfortunately have seen how blizzard has become in recent years, more think about selling subs than keeping their players.
@Rated_Gnar8 ай бұрын
The head devs for classic said they were given more resources for this project and will be able to tweak and make hotfixes very very quickly during a 2 on 1 interview
@mvqdh8 ай бұрын
1h and 2h dps are the same in equivalent ilvls. Surprised you don’t know this as a long time player.
@Ebbnflow8 ай бұрын
My point is how strong the mace is.
@mvqdh8 ай бұрын
Not sure how a 1H havíng more DPS than a 2H validates your point of how strong the mace is at all.@@Ebbnflow
@Ebbnflow8 ай бұрын
@@mvqdh I'm just showing that equivalent 2h are still no better than the mace, I think it's like 1.3ish difference in a 2h vs a 1h I don't think it's a one to one.
@mvqdh8 ай бұрын
Oh I see, my bad.@@Ebbnflow
@TrusTReks8 ай бұрын
great, SoD isnt even out. The one Season that is done to bring back the Mystery of Discovery and we already out here theorecrafting BiS Lists. Gaming will never feel the same as it was back then :/
@JELKEK8 ай бұрын
Youre still here watching the video LOL
@darylsdog95218 ай бұрын
That’s the fun part theory crafting
@Ebbnflow8 ай бұрын
its all speculation!
@gbxmusicchannel38368 ай бұрын
SoM was kind of a waste of time and this will probably be the same thing just feel almost totally like retail. It could be fun if you want to put the time in but the reason i dont play retail to begin with is that i don't llike it.
@RobedLogic8 ай бұрын
this won't hold true, they're adding a bunch of new items and revamping quest rewards etc.
@Cozmoz798 ай бұрын
You should really watch Esfand's video "Main concerns" on this. We asked for Classic+ but we got Season of Disaster insted. Season of Discovery is *NOT* Classic+ It's basically an experimental precursor for a classic+. Blizz dunno what classic+ should be so they're gonna experiment and let feedback guide the way for future real classic+ content. SoD is a Classic+ beta at best. Classic+ was to extend the world of Vanilla, not to just reuse it. WoW Classic's Season of Discovery will break rules that have existed for 19 years. They managed to make the Classic Plus we wanted into some downgraded Ascension WoW. Amazing. ALL they needed to do was to tweak some classes, not break em into other class roles. Not even Retail got it this bad. Mage healers...rogue/lock tanks, ye we really "asked" for that. Pala and Shaman tanking is a long time coming tho sure, nice with scarlet raid, kara crypt etc, but the rest...bah! This SoD is just a way for Blizz to try get bored Retail players back into the game as more and more are leaving it for (drums...) Classic. Some good things here but some rule breaking too.
@olchum76058 ай бұрын
people optimizing a lvl 25 cap that will be there for 2-3 weeks is why classic community is sometimes frowned upon
@Ebbnflow8 ай бұрын
It's fun
@Vyomesh8398 ай бұрын
It's only bad if you flame someone who rocks up in his quest greenies+some Wailing Caverns/Deadmines items. I like to be full pre-raid BiS. Number go up make brain feel good :P
@Neiji_SF8 ай бұрын
Here we go 😂😂 it’s already started. Already trying to meta game. Just play the damn game 😂
@Ebbnflow8 ай бұрын
Its all just fun speculation! Totally not needed if you dont want to
@t9t9t9t9t98 ай бұрын
Pointless video. New quests, new loot.
@Ebbnflow8 ай бұрын
The quests in the game are not changing
@t9t9t9t9t98 ай бұрын
do your research, they are adding new quests@@Ebbnflow
@MrDelgrigorov8 ай бұрын
So the electronic junkeys are hiped on entirely new game that NOBODY know if it will be any good... Man the friend brain, the friend braid...
@treewisps40858 ай бұрын
you do realize there goin to probably make a bunch of new items with the revamped dungeons and maybe a few new quests. so this video is kind of pointless
@Ebbnflow8 ай бұрын
Its all speculation!
@tipsysmichigander64837 ай бұрын
Many of the items are being completely re done. Not sure you are as in the know as you think. Some people are privy to knowledge and don't make videos about it...