FLAT DEFENSE OP!

Flat Defense has proven to be useful for a change. Just finished grinding my last Icaru, I'm gonna max out my Defense tower, the three of 'em have 3300 precise Defense, I calculated everything and I'm really excited. Can't wait to max out the tower, even if it would mean refilling like crazy to accelerate the process, lol.

That is all the runes the dungeons drop for me except main stat

Bet you still don't have them lol

@@Orygiri My team is ready, if you're asking. xD

That's exactly what I thought when I saw those stats on the original video! 😭 Those Verde runes are no joke too actually! 2k bonus attack is doable, but together with 100CR and 200+ CD? 😥😥 I think I'll just stick to trying to get a 90s f2p tatu team 🤣

soulawaken you don't need this verde. The guy made a follow-up video on twitter using this team with verde's slot 6 rune removed. It still worked. And you can get determination runes instead to build the icaru.

@@maskofboom1067 Cool! Thanks for the info!

@@silentbillkelly7276 dunno if thats just a repost or not but i got this from a guildy: twitter.com/tigiriori/status/1305140202722086912?s=20

Just summoned a 4* awakened Icaru, currently working on 2A on my 1st one lol (need runes rho)

I have one at +85, +83 & +66 with verde +32 speeds and i get 14 moves before boss moves. Am I missing something not too sure 100% crit rate verde and icaru's all pull every unit.

tl:dr: Just no! Ok now let's see why it doesn't work. Fire gargoyle is put in statue state if she end her turn with more than 70% hp. In statue state she receive 30% less dmg and can't co-op with other monster. Seem to be a good idea since you don't put a 5th monster because he could co-op and mess everything's up. The idea with this monster is to put her with 3 fight set or 3 determination set to lower even more the requirement of the team. But in order for this to work you will have to get the gargoyle the fastest in your team, this way she can end her turn and get statue state before inu start to co-op. Before we start i just want to point out that when gargoyle play, verde don't atk, so no +40% atb and no dmg. But dragon and tower get's ticks. The first issue we find is having statue effect after dragon hit ( having more than 70% hp, since dragon put 3 turn's dot, left tower too, (mean -30% hp) and dragon do dmg. So we have different solution: Don't let dragon play. We will see later but this is the worst idea, since you will have less turn before dragon play if you play the gargoyle. It's better to have less dmg verde that can tank first hit. Make gargoyle killed by first dragon hit, since most ppl want to put her in determination + her tanky base stats + (maybe other determination on icaru) + -30% dmg from her statue effect. I'm not even sure it is possible. Make gargoyle have more than 70% hp after dragon hit, read above about dot, it will be hard too, and will take good enought determination set so you can put them on icaru lul. OK let's imagine you find a way about the issue above. What is spd requirement ? Well i've put the txt file bellow (spd is gargoyle/inu1/inu2/inu3/verde) (this is when gargoyle don't die after dragon first hit): drive.google.com/file/d/1mNFBW5HYMaYeUb7jeVzoXxfo1YlEW0DA/view?usp=sharing We can see here that in order to have 12 5 11 turn before enemy's play you will need 111-89-73-73-86 spd. +111 SPD ON TRASH UNIT with full determination xd, good luck. instead of 84/61/61/0 for 3 more atk,( team without the gargoyle), so higher spd requirement for less atk on boss. If you have trouble reaching enought def on icaru, look for blue determination on slot 1/3/5 with def flat/ def% / acc or spd. (any other sub is useless for icaru's ) Hope this is detailled enought !

@@shinedday6298 nice

@@shinedday6298 Isn't crit useful for icaru too?

@@Syrxen not at all for a first team

It was my same problem, that's why I started building my 3 Icarus. It's really, really worth it. I was really angry knowing I couldn't beat B12 after years of B10, so I think I'm gonna build this team to literally destroy it.

@@Kain_Highwind_ that's why I'm thinking on building this or Rock On Light Homunculus + 2 Raoq

@@makkc.8138 I feel like I wouldn't resolve my problem using Rock On Homu + 2 Raoqs, because it strictly depends on runes and towers. I think I'm gonna go Icaru because is pure math: among every element in the dungeon, the Dragon is the only enemy that gets a turn. After that, you win. :P

the first icaru was the last one to move on the previous stage, no ally teamups means no cooldown reduction so it didn´t have the cd of skill 2 yet, it´s not a big problem since the following icarus will have the cd on skill 2 and start the team combo But good to know that it might be better to have 2 icarus over the 180 minimum spd in case that happens

I used raviti

Wrong this time.

For reall tho?i wanna try this db12 team tho,even my db11 team isnt 100 win lmao🤣

Exactly LOL

I will only made 1 lol, y prefer 3 raoqs

They never chenged bj5.. Sooo

@@WonsOibaf yet

@@OmegaDestiny and they won't lul, they added artefact that made bj5 so much easier, i mean 200 atk + at least 10% cd

He really does talk so fast lol. im from oahu too and most of my short/tiny asian friends talk exactly like him.

yeah i REMEMBER :D now he build 3 of this "dont built it"

Good summary! Just one correction according to the original video! I think 2416 is the number you need if you're not in a maxed out guild! If you're in a maxed out guild, you need +2381? Maybe the 35 def might make a difference to a couple of players out there xD Or just join a guild LOL

@@soulawaken24 I saw that in the twitch chat too, but the convos were going back and forth so I didnt bother but thanks for bringing it up!

Smart! And if he goes first there will be no problem right?🤔 someone who tested this pls answer

tl:dr: Just no! Ok now let's see why it doesn't work. Fire gargoyle is put in statue state if she end her turn with more than 70% hp. In statue state she receive 30% less dmg and can't co-op with other monster. Seem to be a good idea since you don't put a 5th monster because he could co-op and mess everything's up. The idea with this monster is to put her with 3 fight set or 3 determination set to lower even more the requirement of the team. But in order for this to work you will have to get the gargoyle the fastest in your team, this way she can end her turn and get statue state before inu start to co-op. Before we start i just want to point out that when gargoyle play, verde don't atk, so no +40% atb and no dmg. But dragon and tower get's ticks. The first issue we find is having statue effect after dragon hit ( having more than 70% hp, since dragon put 3 turn's dot, left tower too, (mean -30% hp) and dragon do dmg. So we have different solution: Don't let dragon play. We will see later but this is the worst idea, since you will have less turn before dragon play if you play the gargoyle. It's better to have less dmg verde that can tank first hit. Make gargoyle killed by first dragon hit, since most ppl want to put her in determination + her tanky base stats + (maybe other determination on icaru) + -30% dmg from her statue effect. I'm not even sure it is possible. Make gargoyle have more than 70% hp after dragon hit, read above about dot, it will be hard too, and will take good enought determination set so you can put them on icaru lul. OK let's imagine you find a way about the issue above. What is spd requirement ? Well i've put the txt file bellow (spd is gargoyle/inu1/inu2/inu3/verde) (this is when gargoyle don't die after dragon first hit): drive.google.com/file/d/1mNFBW5HYMaYeUb7jeVzoXxfo1YlEW0DA/view?usp=sharing We can see here that in order to have 12 5 11 turn before enemy's play you will need 111-89-73-73-86 spd. +111 SPD ON TRASH UNIT with full determination xd, good luck. instead of 84/61/61/0 for 3 more atk,( team without the gargoyle), so higher spd requirement for less atk on boss. If you have trouble reaching enought def on icaru, look for blue determination on slot 1/3/5 with def flat/ def% / acc or spd. (any other sub is useless for icaru's ) Hope this is detailled enought !

@@shinedday6298 ah ok thnx

No, verd is crucial here for his atb increase

Using the fire gargoyle with all determination runes and having him go first really helps with defense rune requirements due to the gargoyles passive

Ngl kinda wanna use time machine to prevent my past me to sell those def% runes lol

first dog's team up on boss is on cooldown.

More than 4 will make it fail, if u have 5, 1 of tge icarus skill 2 will not be up when they get their turn

double icaru double raoq

martina best girl

Hey what team do you run with her? Still having some issues altho im using her

@@JonaThan-zc7iv shaine martina loren verde fran

@@JonaThan-zc7iv shaina martina raoq raoq raoq

@@JonaThan-zc7iv verde spectra loren talia martina gets consistent sub 2 mins, hasnt failed me yet

is this including a plus 15 slot 3

@@pedigreeowns No it isn't good point. I failed to take that into account. I guess that sets the real amount from subs at just 134 which is equivalent to just under 19%.

You need 3300 after guild + building so if you have enevything maxed 2380 is enough

i would feed my sylvia if that happens

That would mean removing a mechanic from game, it would be too much. The only thing they could do is nerfing icaru or making him bring max 2 people or higher cd on skill 2

This would be really really bad! I wouldn't mind if they do it specifically to nerf Icaru! Since triple Icaru teams require mid-late game runesets (*Unless you specifically farmed for those runes really early on) But if it affects Raoq and Kro, it's gonna piss people off! 😒 Many early-mid game players are using those two units for consistent DB12, SF10 and PC10! 🤦‍♂️ It's gonna affect the consistency of their runs

@@soulawaken24 they won't do something like that lol the cost for this team is not something anyone can make and few months later people will strive for 40sec teams and build a different one again

Honestly i dont think com2us would mind us using a cheese strat for db12. Remember when bjr5 was made? They didnt do anything about it

No cuz u will mess up the loop, if the icaru will team up once with chow u will most likely loose

I mean, you build this team after you've built everything else you need to build. If you can achieve a consistent team without then it's just as good though, but it's difficult since controlling the tower or the dragon is a bit RNG reliant and may sometimes fail just because of that. I some good teams that would be 100% consistent without the RNG for example.

From what Ive seen It's a rage revenge/blade Verde 100cr 190+cd and it's slow enough to be last so you can use it in most PvP content if you want

That depends on whether your other pve dungeons require a faster verde? Most probably not? Since verde is primarily mandatory only in DB12 and MAYBE PC10? PC10 should be fine even if the verde is slower than before provided you got the right team to begin with!

same team work in nb12 if you have strong enought verde

Or just with swop :3

Why would they do that? Nerfing a super rarely used unit is still better than nerfing a unit that 99% of players use in some way 🤦‍♂️ If they cap teamup at 2 straight out, this team won't work at 100% rate anymore!

The number of allies Icaru brings relies on how much defense he has. 2416 allows him to bring 3 others.

Yes

U can see on the Japanese guy, he tested 2 verdes.. Not safe

tl:dr why would you want to play with 5 ppl when it work with 4 ..... // i still need to improve this part and actualy run the programm but i'm too lazy for tonight to prove that it doesn't work. Right so here we go again. Some people think that putting 2 verde would do the same as 1 and lower rune requirement. Let's run some test to see what happen: Icaru takes 2 icaru and 1 verde ( like the normal team but 1 verde will be fatter than the other one so for this turn you only have 1/2 chance to make lower dmg) Icaru co-op with 2 verde. Meanning one icaru won't have cooldown reduction but you will give 80% atb. If we stop here its the same as the other team (one inu will do skill 1 but verde's have atked twice) BUT if because one inu do skill1 others won't have cooldown reduction either, which break the cycle. With the other team verde atk every turn so even if the cycle never break you will lose dmg since one verde would do less dmg than the other. To conclude it add's a lot of rng, 2 big nuker set instead of one and don't improve anything.

You need 3300 def in total in the end if you have building + guild +2380 in enought

2 verde is stupid, since if inu's takes 2 verde 1 inu won't have cd reset + in order to kill the boss you will need 2 fat verde.

@@shinedday6298 yeah, that was my concern too

I was wondering why mine worked fine with +2410.

only verde need skill up , icaru don't do dmg

no cus verde doesn't work in necro

it works just fine - the creator of this team showed a video of it on his twitter

It works. I tried it. It takes about 1:15 for me

Won't work, verde give atb, lapis reduce atb so there is res check (rng is comming), plus if you can't kill before immu you won't reduce atb.

Maybe if you sacrifice all your good thicc runes.

I'm in the mid-game now farming DB12! I think the best way is to not try to build the team specifically! Just farm the dungeons with what you have. When you come across good guard/determination runes, save it for Icarus and 2A them slowly in the meantime! When you gather good enough runes for all 3 2A Icarus, put together your best damage set on verde and switch over! That's my plan anyway 🤣

try with swop !