Create a Zone 8 Microclimate in Zone 5: Temperature Data
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Does each layer of protection in the winter garden effectively move the garden 1 1/2 zones to the south? Today I look at temperature data to find out.
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Crops we're growing now for a winter harvest:
Under One Layer of Protection
Claytonia
Dandelion Greens
French Sorrel
Good King Henry
Mache
Mustard Greens
Perpetual Spinach
Sea Kale
Sunchokes
Tatsoi
Tree Collards
Two Layers of Protection
Chives
Claytonia
Dandelion Greens
Dinosaur Kale
Egyptian Walking Onions
Endive
Garlic Chives
Georgia Collards
Giant Red Mustard Greens
Italian Dandelion Greens
Lettuce (Romaine)
Mache
Minutina
Mustard Greens
Parsley
Perpetual Spinach
Fordhook Giant Swiss Chard
Red Veined Sorrel
Spinach
Tatsoi
Tree Collards
Vates Kale
OYR is all about growing a lot of food on a little land using sustainable organic methods, while keeping costs and labor at a minimum. Emphasis is placed on improving soil quality with compost and mulch. No store-bought fertilizers, soil amendments, pesticides, compost activators, etc. are used.
@priayief 8 жыл бұрын
I appreciate the way you take the time and effort to record and publish your data. Especially helpful is that you publish in both F & C temps. I've learned a lot from your efforts.Thanks and keep up the good work.
@OneYardRevolution 8 жыл бұрын
+Captain Ron You're very welcome, Ron! I'm glad you found the video informative.
@kevinbyrne4538 8 жыл бұрын
EXCELLENT presentation. It's one thing to talk in generalities about the advantages of layers of insulation, but it's quite another to see those generalities documented with actual data from real life. You've done a real service to home gardeners. Many thanks for your time and effort in preparing this video !
@RainbowGardens 8 жыл бұрын
That looks great! It seems like you will only have a month or so where everything is not growing. Before you know it, spring will be here and you will have the perfect set up for starting many seeds!
@OneYardRevolution 8 жыл бұрын
+Rainbow Gardens Thanks, Donna! Yeah, I imagine most of the plants are dormant now, so we won't see much growth over the next month or so. But spring will come early inside the greenhouse!
@roopsingh2800 8 жыл бұрын
I love this channel, I find it to be the best frugal/organic gardening channel on youtube, perhaps with california gardener coming second. it's amazing what you've done on a small budget and your focus on soil. please know it's had quite the impact on me. i use free local resources to build soil (leaves, horse manure) and garden in raised beds in my terraced yard. our soil was once complete clay which grass and weeds wouldn't grow in. now i have handfuls of worms and nice humus. of particular praise, i really like your calm explanation that are very easy to understand and how you test methods scientifically, adopting some like the hoop house and casting away others like compost turning and comfrey tea. amazing work, please keep it up, you truly are a benefit to gardeners everywhere!
@OneYardRevolution 8 жыл бұрын
Thank you so much for your kind words. I sincerely appreciate you letting me know my videos have helped. It means a lot to me. Best wishes with your garden!
@poppyb.4255 8 жыл бұрын
Excellent Patrick, the greenhouse and coldframes are producing the results!! The temps are spot on as well. Here in zone 8, our highs are going to be low to mid 50s'/20s' and 30s' for lows the next few days.
@OneYardRevolution 8 жыл бұрын
+Poppy B. Thanks, Poppy! It's interesting how close the average temps came to zone 8. I looked up recent temps for a few zone 8 areas and was surprised to see how spot on they were!
@MIgardener 8 жыл бұрын
Good stuff! I can't tell you how badly I want to stick a teeny little stove in there and heat it up to just above freezing all winter.
@OneYardRevolution 8 жыл бұрын
+MIgardener | Simple Organic Gardening & Sustainable Living Thanks, Luke! It is tempting to add supplemental heating , but you wouldn't really need it unless it was well below freezing in the hoop house. If the crops survive tonight's low of -3º, they should make it through the rest of the winter. Fingers crossed.
@HelenRullesteg 8 жыл бұрын
+OneYardRevolution | Frugal & Sustainable Organic Gardening Great video once again, very informative. If I lived in an area that gets as much as sun in winter as you seem to do, I'd be tempted to try out having a cob wall on the north-facing side of my greenhouse which would soak up the heat and store it and then slowly release it. It might not be needed for winter crops, but I find it interesting trying out such things. But alas, not much sun here in winter.
@OneYardRevolution 8 жыл бұрын
+helle hansen Thanks! I'm glad you found the video informative. Yes, a cob wall facing the sun would definitely hold some heat. Our winter garden gets about 4 to 5 hours of sun per day. If you get much less than that, it would be a challenge to grow in a cold climate.
@theuglykwan 4 жыл бұрын
ikea tealights
@lmtada 5 жыл бұрын
Excellent data. Thank you. Edmonton, Alberta.
@OneYardRevolution 5 жыл бұрын
Thanks!
@Blueskygreenearth1 7 жыл бұрын
Thank you for all these great videos! I've enjoyed them so much and appreciate the temperature data.
@OneYardRevolution 7 жыл бұрын
You're welcome, Carissa!
@MountainGardenGirl 8 жыл бұрын
Great that you quantified the experiment. One year we put up a greenhouse, the cheap kind you get at Lowes and the zippers froze shut. Its hard to keep up with crazy weather changes, and forget about it you are working. In the spring, we would try to leave the windows open before leaving for work...bad idea...winds would come and despite it being well secured or so we thought, basically rip everything to shreds. But with the thermally activated vents that may be a really good idea. Still everything looks so great. Glad you are being rewarded for all the hard work.
@OneYardRevolution 8 жыл бұрын
+Suzanne Ramoundos Thanks, Suzanne! I'm still on the fence about using automated vents myself, but I think they make a lot of sense for people who are too busy to do it manually or who travel during the winter.
@eleanoroconnor1776 6 жыл бұрын
Merry Christmas Patrick and Oscar, looking forward to what you will teach us and what new you will plant for 2018. Your videos are so informative and I watch them over and over again and learn something new each time. Have a happy and healthy New Year, from one gardener to another.
@OneYardRevolution 6 жыл бұрын
Merry Christmas and Happy New Year, Eleanor! I'll be sharing my layout and planting schedule in January. Thanks so much for your interest.
@AlbertaUrbanGarden 8 жыл бұрын
That is fantastic Patrick that you are able to show with real data that the methods are successful and to boot you should be able to harvest year round in zone 5! Many Californian Gardner's can't say that and they are much warmer than you!
@OneYardRevolution 8 жыл бұрын
+Alberta Urban Garden Simple Organic and Sustainable Thanks, Stephen! I just got back inside after covering everything up for the night. It's -15°c outside and 7.2°c in the cold frame! Tonight will be the biggest test so far. We're expecting a low of -19.4°c.
@AlbertaUrbanGarden 8 жыл бұрын
it still shocks me how much of a difference there is! my wife and i were again just talking about how nice it would be to have crops that yours available at all times. I just spent 10$ on the greens for supper....
@OneYardRevolution 8 жыл бұрын
+Alberta Urban Garden Simple Organic and Sustainable Greens are very expensive here too, especially organic greens! If you go with a similar setup, maybe it would make economic sense to use a minimal amount of supplemental heating and lighting to make it work longer into the winter?
@AlbertaUrbanGarden 8 жыл бұрын
I have already begun researching exactly that to see if the economics would result in recovery of costs with in a year or two.
@OneYardRevolution 8 жыл бұрын
+Alberta Urban Garden Simple Organic and Sustainable A lot of people think you'd have to keep temps above freezing, but you really wouldn't. If you grew only cold hardy crops and kept the temp above -6°c, the crops would be fine.
@Nothatmike 8 жыл бұрын
Your videos are always informative. Thanks for taking the time to share. I learn something new every time.
@OneYardRevolution 8 жыл бұрын
+Mike America Thanks, Mike! I truly appreciate it.
@jewellloveless4013 3 жыл бұрын
I'm late to the game, but I love your videos! So informative! And I love your kitty!! I'm getting a small greenhouse for Christmas, and your videos are exactly what I needed to feel more confident. Thank you!
@urgencepc4563 2 жыл бұрын
Oh that's beautiful!
@SouthpawDavey 8 жыл бұрын
Super data. Looks like it works great.
@OneYardRevolution 8 жыл бұрын
+Southpaw Davey Thanks, Dave!
@LolitasGarden 8 жыл бұрын
Holy graphs! Your detailed statistics are amazing. I have a min/max thermometer that I check nightly and then reset- that's about as detailed as it gets here in Lolita's Garden. However, we did both lose lettuce in the same way in the same week. Great stuff!
@OneYardRevolution 8 жыл бұрын
+Lolita's Garden Thanks, Ian! Fortunately, our thermometer stores data for the last 7 days, so it's pretty easy to track. Yep, I'm still kicking myself for cooking some of our lettuce. It would have been fine if I vented that cold frame. Doh!
@MarinaWilson1958 8 жыл бұрын
Very professional review of your set up. I always enjoy your videos.we have had snow here 2 days..got down to minus 3.7C which for us here near coast is cool. Thanks for showing us the evidence and stats of your growing area and pleased you still have lots to eat.
@OneYardRevolution 8 жыл бұрын
+Marina Wilson Thanks, Marina! With your weather, you could grow what I'm growing without any protection at all except when it snows. Stay warm!
@Catesgarden 8 жыл бұрын
Awesome stuff as always.
@OneYardRevolution 8 жыл бұрын
+Cate's Garden Thanks!
@AdamCraigOutdoors 8 жыл бұрын
those numbers were impressive. thanks for sharing.
@OneYardRevolution 8 жыл бұрын
+Adam Craig You're very welcome, Adam!
@TimSheets 8 жыл бұрын
Wow, you can't ask for much more than that! Here I am just starting to think about seeds and what I might want to plant next year, and you're still going strong from last year!
@OneYardRevolution 8 жыл бұрын
+Tim Sheets Thanks, Tim! I really have enjoyed having the new greenhouse instead of the low tunnels I used to have. It's fairly comfortable in there most days even when it's cold out. At midday today, the cold frame temp was 71°f. It was 5° outside!
@Zerkbern 8 жыл бұрын
Good job. Thanks for the evaluation.
@OneYardRevolution 8 жыл бұрын
+Zerkbern Thanks!
@wildchookMaryP 8 жыл бұрын
I love the new hoop house. Good to see you continue to grow food in winter. I love the new setup.
@OneYardRevolution 8 жыл бұрын
+wildchook (Mary) Thanks, Mary!
@elysejoseph 8 жыл бұрын
Well done Patrick!!!
@OneYardRevolution 8 жыл бұрын
+Elyse Joseph Thanks, Elyse!
@reepurpose8712 6 жыл бұрын
I wondered if it would be worth trying to grow outside in the winter. Thank you for such detailed videos. I always learn alot.
@OneYardRevolution 6 жыл бұрын
You're very welcome!
@SilvijaM 6 жыл бұрын
Thank you! I am in zone 5 and started gardening. It's winter now but by next winter I hope to have just what you showed - whole year garden. It's inspiring to see that this is posible. Nice cat! :)
@OneYardRevolution 6 жыл бұрын
Thanks, Silvija! Best wishes with your garden.
@dirtpatcheaven 8 жыл бұрын
So amazing!
@OneYardRevolution 8 жыл бұрын
+dirtpatcheaven Thanks!
@ariesred777 8 жыл бұрын
Your research is great Patrick.Maybe your plants/seeds will adapt to the changes over the coming years inside the hoop house.It's another world in there.Oscar, the cat has character.
@OneYardRevolution 8 жыл бұрын
+ariesred777 Thanks! It's funny you should say that. Most of the plants are either perennials or volunteer annuals, so they'll have a chance to adapt to the new setup over time. Oscar says hi!
@hellomygarden6397 8 жыл бұрын
We enjoyed seeing the temperature data!
@OneYardRevolution 8 жыл бұрын
+Hello My Garden I'm glad you enjoyed it!
@PermacultureHomestead 8 жыл бұрын
love my perennial Georgia collards in zone 8, those temp charts were a great visual. thanks for the share.
@OneYardRevolution 8 жыл бұрын
+Permaculture Prepper Thanks! I think our Georgia collards will make it through the winter. They get a little droopy after they freeze, but they perk right back up when they warm up.
@utube23567 8 жыл бұрын
this is really cool. Would love to try this in Alberta when i have a larger garden. Thank you for sharing.
@OneYardRevolution 8 жыл бұрын
+Tatenda Mambo You're very welcome! I think some very cold hardy crops like spinach, mache, claytonia, and carrots should survive the winter there, and you'd get 2 or 3 months of extra growth for other cold hardy crops.
@claudettefaglie957 8 жыл бұрын
When I heard what you said about the temperatures, I thought... "Dude, you need to move South!" I always love your videos, and can't wait for the "next one."
@OneYardRevolution 8 жыл бұрын
+Claudette Faglie Thank you, Claudette! I'm glad I can move my garden to the south!
@paulabeattie8565 8 жыл бұрын
That was excellent information, thank you.
@OneYardRevolution 8 жыл бұрын
+Paula Beattie Thanks, Paula!
@DaleCalderCampobello 8 жыл бұрын
That was very interesting Patrick and gave me more hope for my artichokes that are under a cold frame in the hoop house. So far our coldest temperature has been -14C. We usually get at least one cold snap down to -20C or -22C or so.
@OneYardRevolution 8 жыл бұрын
+Dale Calder Thanks, Dale! We got down to -20 c Sunday night. Your artichokes will make it if they're as cold hardy as ours.
@TheSajeffe 8 жыл бұрын
Welcome to zone 8. Your zone 8 garden looks better than my zone 8 garden. :) Sorry you lost lettuce, but I'm not surprised. People need to remember to vent their protective layers when it's sunny - no matter what the outside temperature. I had some seedlings in my small greenhouse during a cold overnight but I wasn't able to take them out the next day until well after noon and it was a sunny day. The seedlings were severely stressed from the heat of being inside plastic with the sun shining. As a side note, thanks for our Oscar fix. :)
@OneYardRevolution 8 жыл бұрын
+TheSajeffe Thanks! I'm glad we haven't lost any crops to the cold so far, but it was disappointing to lose some lettuce to the heat!
@keyplayr61greenhousehydrop14 8 жыл бұрын
That greenhouse film is truly amazing, ain't it Patrick! Especially with dual layer, and inflated! I was pruning the tomatoes today with the outside temps at 43°F, and sunny, and I was about to roast every time the fans would cut off with the temps at 85°F inside LOL!! Looks like it is working out real good for you!
@OneYardRevolution 8 жыл бұрын
+Keyplayr61 Greenhouse Hydroponics And Gardens I couldn't agree more, Keith. When I checked the cold frame temps at noon today, they were 71°f. It was 5° outside! It's amazing how warm it can get in there when it's sunny.
@catalinoancea6601 8 жыл бұрын
Good job! Good luck!
@OneYardRevolution 8 жыл бұрын
+Catalin Oancea Thanks, Catalin!
@lylevandervelde9193 8 жыл бұрын
wow Great data Great video
@OneYardRevolution 8 жыл бұрын
+Lyle Vander Velde Thanks, Lyle!
@dirtpatcheaven 8 жыл бұрын
Your collards are so beautiful!
@OneYardRevolution 8 жыл бұрын
+dirtpatcheaven Thanks! We're very happy with how well they're doing. If they survive the -3º low tonight, they should make it through the winter! Fingers crossed.
@cultivatingorganicbyjomig1719 8 жыл бұрын
I agree that automatic ventilation is a must in a greenhouse. We do experience some negative affect in my greenhouse due to sometimes extreme and sudden change of temperature. My husband and I hope to address this situation in a very near future.
@OneYardRevolution 8 жыл бұрын
+Cultivating Organic by greenwiseJo Please let me know how it goes if you switch to an automated system.
@cultivatingorganicbyjomig1719 8 жыл бұрын
Definitely will share the info.
@morninggloryglorya9849 8 жыл бұрын
Another informative video. Thank you :)
@OneYardRevolution 8 жыл бұрын
+Morning Glory Garden Thanks!
@PrairiePlantgirl 5 жыл бұрын
I’m considering putting up an unheated greenhouse/hoop house and Custom Garden Solutions sent me to your site. This is the best information I have found about the effects of an unheated structure like this. I’m zone 3 (2b) so I’m guessing with double structure I might be able to achieve around zone 5. I would love to be able to extend the season and possibly overwinter things that just can’t be left out here. I’ll be subbing and lurking around on more of these older videos.
@OneYardRevolution 5 жыл бұрын
Welcome to the channel! You can definitely extend your growing season using this approach in zone 3. Crops like spinach, mache, claytonia, and carrots should even make it through the winter.
@icarus901 8 жыл бұрын
You may be able to add a vent to the rear wall of your cold frames to avoid the weight issue of a lid opener. Take a look at automatic foundation vents, which are usually calibrated to open at 70F/21C and close at 40F/4.4C.
@OneYardRevolution 8 жыл бұрын
+icarus901 Thanks for the tip!
@icarus901 8 жыл бұрын
hat tip and credit goes to GardenFork for that one OneYardRevolution | Frugal & Sustainable Organic Gardening
@RobsAquaponics 8 жыл бұрын
Am so glad I don't have your climate Patrick. Then again I suppose you're glad you don't have the warm weather pest like our fruit flies :D ;) Cheers mate.
@OneYardRevolution 8 жыл бұрын
+RobBobs Backyard Farming Yes, I could definitely do without those fruit flies, Rob! Cheers!
@bmarsh011 8 жыл бұрын
That is very impressive! We are in zone 8, nice to not have do all of that here. Maybe I COULD grow some tropical pants here then, in a hoop house....one day...
@OneYardRevolution 8 жыл бұрын
+Brandon & Meredith Thanks! You guys live in a great region for winter growing. If I lived where you do, I don't think I'd bother with a greenhouse, but I might have some temporary structure to protect crops in the event of a snow or ice storm.
@MrChip123472 8 жыл бұрын
Looks really great! I guess one of the takeaways though is that even with 2 layers, if you have numerous cloudy days that it could spell trouble if you were trying to grow less hardy plants. Very impressive to say the least. Is there any chance you could do a similar comparison with soil temps?
@OneYardRevolution 8 жыл бұрын
+MrChipGardener Thanks! Your're right. I wouldn't even try to grow anything but cold hardy plants this time of year. Thanks for the suggestion to test soil temps too. That's a great idea!
@SabineRiverAuthority 8 жыл бұрын
Congratulations Patrick!! Lettuce grows fast, start some seeds :) My problem is this La Nina/Nino climate. Its too warm here and all my lettuce and mustards keep bolting. Funny thing is I've never had enough greens for the compost pile... well this year I do! Ive even started saving the seed flowers. Im going to try to germinate. Great Video.
@OneYardRevolution 8 жыл бұрын
+Sabine RiverAuthority Thanks, Nelson! You're right. I should start some new lettuce soon. We seem to have been abandoned by El Nino in January. It's been a fairly typical January so far. Maybe you can get an early start on your summer garden this year!
@TheVictoryHomestead 8 жыл бұрын
Wow! thank you so much for providing the data points. It's amazing to me that you may have lost your lettuces in January because they got too warm! :)
@OneYardRevolution 8 жыл бұрын
+Karen Berry Thanks, Karen! I'm still kicking myself for letting some of our lettuce cook. Our lettuce survived all winter last year under 2 layers of protection and we had some brutally cold temperatures.
@loganfishbeard 8 жыл бұрын
The type of greenhouse can also play a major role in minimum temperatures. Last spring I built a lean-to type greenhouse which sits against an exterior south facing wall of my house. What I have notice this winter is that heat loss through the wall of our relatively older home actually heats the green house. Surprisingly the greenhouse will not experience freezing temperatures until the outside temperature is in the upper teens. The Lowest recorded temp this winter was 23 degrees Fahrenheit when the outside temp was zero. Eastern Washington, zone 6a.
@OneYardRevolution 8 жыл бұрын
+Logan Cook You're absolutely right, Logan. A lean-to greenhouse on a south facing wall is a great way to go.
@mkshffr4936 Жыл бұрын
Very interesting. I would love to grow limes in N. Indiana so I am examining options. From you experience I would need three layers to do it without supplemental heat but would need about 6 feet of height in the inner space which seems impractical. Geothermal is not an option for a couple of trees on a small suburban lot so I might just have to do containers and bring them in.
@m.saint.1071 8 жыл бұрын
V. Interesting!
@OneYardRevolution 8 жыл бұрын
+The Original Patent Thanks!
@HolySldr3 8 жыл бұрын
Great video and I would like to share something I saw in a documentary from a gentleman urban gardening in Detroit. He heated his cold frame with his compost pile inside the hoop house, I don't any of the details but I thought that was interesting.
@OneYardRevolution 8 жыл бұрын
+Jeffrey Colern Thanks, Jeffrey! You're right. Having a hot compost pile in the hoop house can be very helpful. I'd probably use that approach if we had more space.
@meehan302 8 жыл бұрын
Thant's a good presentation Patrick of the the temperature in the the cold frame and for out side. It's looks that the double skin of plastic is working. I was thinking if you had a gap for air between the first and second layer - would that help too ?
@OneYardRevolution 8 жыл бұрын
+Patrick Meehan Thanks, Patrick! Yes, having 2 layers of plastic with air forced between them works very well.
@ClintL63 7 жыл бұрын
You have me thinking of a greenhouse heated by a rocket stove in the evenings; zone 5 Northern Lower Michigan
@OneYardRevolution 7 жыл бұрын
That's a great way to go!
@HealthyLifeFarm 8 жыл бұрын
Love your charts Patrick ~ great information to know! I didn't bother growing in my sunroom this year just not enough sun. I will be putting a few smaller version greenhouses mainly for the spring to help with the early spring/summer white butterflies and other garden pests. It is awesome you still can harvest vegetables in your zone this time of the year. Take Care, Peaches
@OneYardRevolution 8 жыл бұрын
+lovers4healthylife Thanks, Peaches! I look forward to seeing your mini greenhouses in action.
@FeliciaFollum 8 жыл бұрын
this is amazing! I think I live in Zone 5.
@OneYardRevolution 8 жыл бұрын
+Felicia Follum Thanks, Felicia!
@OneYardRevolution 8 жыл бұрын
+Felicia Follum Thanks, Felicia!
@eleanoroconnor1776 6 жыл бұрын
not to long ago you posted a video on how you covered the north side of your hoop house with some insulation, I can't find that video and I wanted to know if that insulation came in sheets and how many sheets you used? I continually watch your videos over and over again. Keep up the good work and sharing your info with all us gardeners
@OneYardRevolution 6 жыл бұрын
Hi Eleanor! I used a combination of these 2 products. They're essentially the same: www.menards.com/main/building-materials/insulation/multipurpose-insulation/reflectix-24-x-25-reflective-insulation/p-1444452049106-c-5778.htm?tid=-3414029797875686846&ipos=3 www.greenhousemegastore.com/product/tempshield-insulation/s
@PotatoStrong 8 жыл бұрын
Great data! When do the veggies stop growing and become more of a maintenance situation for harvesting, due to light?
@OneYardRevolution 8 жыл бұрын
+Potato Strong Thanks! Growth slows down a lot from mid-December to mid-February. This year we had more growth than usual in December because the weather was so mild. Now that we're having normal winter weather, growth is likely at a standstill for the next month or so.
@SabineRiverAuthority 8 жыл бұрын
Patrick, I'm hoping to do just that. I started all my pepper seeds yesterday. I'm hoping to get an early start, March 15 is my goal date to transplant.
@OneYardRevolution 8 жыл бұрын
+Sabine RiverAuthority I hope El Nino cooperates with you!
@dizzymcwhizzy 3 жыл бұрын
Yupp!!!
@dayinthelifeofdolly8810 Жыл бұрын
I know this video was put up years ago but I have a question and hope you still check these older videos. I am in Syracuse NY so zone 5B basickley I put up a smaller 8x8 greenhouse with a double layer coragated plastic walls. Sort of like a harbor freight style. Do you count that as 2 layers or 1 layer seeing it is double walled.
@landoutdoors860 8 жыл бұрын
It would be interesting to see if adding some thermal mass into the cold frames would help regulated the fluctuations in temps on those cold overcast days. just a coffee can painted black with some sand or water might even be enough. It does seem like you don't even need it based on the numbers you are getting, but it would still be interesting to see if it had any added benefit.
@OneYardRevolution 8 жыл бұрын
+Robert Nowland That would be interesting, Robert! I wish my 2 cold frames were identical. If they were, I could do a good test to see if a heat sink helps.
@gippywhite 8 жыл бұрын
Fascinating infomation! Thank you for tracking it with such detail. And Oscar is the cutest rascal I've ever seen! LOL! Are you going to keep tracking everything for the next few months? Since it's supposed to get a lot colder from now on, I was just wondering what will be still growing. Love the videos and much love to Oscar!
@OneYardRevolution 8 жыл бұрын
+gippywhite Thanks! According to our extended forecast, the worst of the cold may be over for us. It got as cold as -3 F here. Our plants were stressed by the cold, but it didn't kill them. We lost lettuce to heat when I didn't vent a cold frame. I'll do a harvest video this weekend, which will give a better idea of what we're growing. I'm Glad you like Oscar! He really is a lot of fun.
@gippywhite 8 жыл бұрын
OneYardRevolution | Frugal & Sustainable Organic Gardening I hope winter is almost over, but February and the beginning of March seems to be when the freak snow or ice storms hit. I lived in Maine for most of my life, 18 years, but I've been in Arkansas for the last 11 years now. I good with not having winters, but I hear that environmentalist want more winters. ;-P LOL! Are you going to try to bring the lettuce back soon or just wait until the spring? I can't wait for the next video! And Oscar is a great cat! I'm normally more of a dog person, but there are some cool cats out there. Thank you for all your effort in the videos and with comments. It's greatly appreciated! Give Oscar a little scratch behind his ear for me!
@OneYardRevolution 8 жыл бұрын
+gippywhite You' re right. We usually get a good amount of snow in February, but January is typically our coldest month. I'm glad it's almost over! We ended up losing all of the lettuce plants, so I went ahead and scattered more lettuce seeds. I'm glad you enjoy Oscar. He's more like a puppy than a cat in a lot of ways.
@RafsKitchenGardenChannel 8 жыл бұрын
Hi Patrick, Thanks for all the useful data, It is impressive how well it keeps temperatures without any heating source, do you get any problems with condensation ?
@OneYardRevolution 8 жыл бұрын
+Raf's Kitchen Garden Thanks, Raf! We get quite a bit of condensation but it isn't really a problem. It's too cold for the moisture to cause mold issues that might develop when it's warmer. We'll remove the top in the spring, so we should never have any problems with condensation.
@hillcountryhick4639 8 жыл бұрын
Good job, informative. Love that Oscar. BTW, I ordered tree collards from BountifulGardens.org and the cuttings grew leaves on the 3rd day. Looking forward to putting them in ground in springtime. thanks for all your informative videos.
@OneYardRevolution 8 жыл бұрын
+Maria HillCountryHick Thanks, Maria! Best wishes with your tree collards.
@emmausballer 7 жыл бұрын
Hi! Thanks for the amazing videos! I live in zone 6A and want to do a hoop house. I am confused as to what plastic/coverings I should use though. Any recommendations?
@OneYardRevolution 7 жыл бұрын
Thank you! This is what we use: www.greenhousemegastore.com/product/4-year-greenhouse-film/6-mil-polyethylene-film Best wishes with your fall/winter garden!
@theswedishgardenamateur4271 8 жыл бұрын
Amazing! Have to try this! Didn't know that was even possible🌸 Already have a greenhouse so only have to add those layers on the beds! Have you added new plants during the vinter or are they "left" from last summer/fall?
@OneYardRevolution 8 жыл бұрын
+The swedish garden amateur That's great! I hope this approach works as well for you as it has for us. Our last planting in the hoop house was in October. Some plants were started in early summer, some in late summer, and some in the fall. We'll start more seeds for the spring in February and March. Thanks for watching!
@LMGM5 8 жыл бұрын
AWESOME!! nice cat...
@OneYardRevolution 8 жыл бұрын
+Laura M. Thanks, Oscar! I'm glad you like Oscar!
@dritanbega6461 8 жыл бұрын
I am happy with your success. Somehow I know that you eventually will put an air vent, in the hoop house, and I am eager to know what solutions will you chose. . ?Keep prospering
@OneYardRevolution 8 жыл бұрын
+Dritan Bega Thanks!
@matermark 4 жыл бұрын
What's the most snow depth the hoophouse survived? I still keep wanting to build something in the yard, but I had a CoverIt garage with a heavy duty polyethylene covering over steel tubing, I think 2.25" with some 2.5" steel fittings, and it had a clear section 6 to 8 feet wide down the middle for light. I did a lot of mods, plug-in electricity & conduit, shop lights, etc., even added foil-covered insulation panels (4x8, Celotex?) but we had heavy snow over a few days I couldn't get there and it caved in. They may have gone out of business, but the point is 2.25" galvanized steel tubing must be 10x stronger than pvc and it still caved in, the tubing a mangled mess...
@ohhowhappygardener 8 жыл бұрын
That's awesome! Are you going to add an automated venting mechanism to your cold frames?
@OneYardRevolution 8 жыл бұрын
+OhHowHappyGardener Thanks! I probably won't add automated vents to my existing cold frames because the lids are very heavy and I expect most openers won't be able to handle them. But I may add a window to the hoop house next year and put an automatic opener on that.
@icarus901 8 жыл бұрын
+OneYardRevolution | Frugal & Sustainable Organic Gardening You may be able to add a vent to the rear wall of your cold frames to avoid the weight issue. Take a look at automatic foundation vents, which are usually calibrated to open at 70F/21C and close at 40F/4.4C.
@dakotabob10 8 жыл бұрын
I always have to add heat to the greenhouse once I set it up. Especially when I get the warm weather crops in there. I have heated my greenhouse until the end of May for the past two years.
@OneYardRevolution 8 жыл бұрын
+dakotabob10 You're absolutely right. I imagine your tomatoes wouldn't appreciate your zone 3 nights in the spring. ;-)
@dakotabob10 8 жыл бұрын
Even with the heater, the heater, the temperatures will dip into the high 30's. In April, we have a lot of nights that drop into the low teens.
@OneYardRevolution 8 жыл бұрын
+dakotabob10 I'm going to experiment with starting tomatoes under 2 layers of protection in March (with no heat). I'll also start some inside just in case it doesn't work out. It'll be interesting to see if it works.
@dakotabob10 8 жыл бұрын
OneYardRevolution | Frugal & Sustainable Organic Gardening I was disappointed with some of the tomatoes that I tried to grow in the greenhouse last year. I started them in the house but moved them outside by the middle of April. The ones that I grew in the house were double the size by the time that I got around to planting them. The ones in the greenhouse were spares that I was giving away but I did get an idea of which was the best method.
@MrVenturadog 8 жыл бұрын
That's brutal, I'm picking avocados and papayas today in southern California. Still have some peppers.
@OneYardRevolution 8 жыл бұрын
+MrVenturadog Very nice! I wish I could winter there and summer here! ;-)
@crazyrees23 3 жыл бұрын
How thick are your inside plastic sheets? How did you make your inside cold frame?
@ashleeluxe 6 жыл бұрын
Hahaha Oskar is hilarious
@OneYardRevolution 6 жыл бұрын
Yes he is!
@Lochness19 Жыл бұрын
Do you have more problems with pests like aphids in the greenhouse?
@veronicabe7902 6 жыл бұрын
How to grow mache, and is it cut and come again? I saw you cut the entire head, is it dead? can I seed it directly into the soil w/o covering in the harsh winter here in zone 5b and high 7000 feet, and dry. also claytonia or should Iwait until december or January or Feb to grow outside, or to grow them indoors? thanks.
@OneYardRevolution 6 жыл бұрын
Hi Betty! Both can be planted in late summer and early fall for a winter harvest under cover. You can also plant them in late winter for a spring harvest. This video gives more details on growing mache: kzfaq.info/get/bejne/g5qBqZOUmKi7XYk.html
@DoriGardener 8 жыл бұрын
Harvesting greens in winter in my zone 6 garden plot might be within reach! I have a couple of "raised beds" on my back patio area built of concrete blocks. With the area facing towards the sunny side, I am wondering if there is any sort of heat sink possibilities during the winter if I use hoop houses.That reminds me. Have you any thoughts about how to figure if a heat sink (of whatever kind) is a viable option for a certain square footage of, say, green house space, or hoop house, or the smaller area in a cold frame? I am thinking of if a black painted gallon jug is worth less planting space if it raised the temp enough to keep above freezing. Thanks!
@OneYardRevolution 8 жыл бұрын
+DoriGardener You can definitely grow winter greens in zone 6! The concrete blocks of your raised beds would be good heat sinks. I have to look into how much heat sink volume would be required for my space. I suspect it would be too large for it to be worthwhile. Keep in mind we haven't lost any crops to the cold. They can tolerate temps well below freezing. The lettuce was actually lost as a result of the heat.
@DoriGardener 8 жыл бұрын
+OneYardRevolution | Frugal & Sustainable Organic Gardening I am fortunate because the area I have in mind possibly might be in it's own microclimate. It is sheltered by the house on the two sides that are the cold wind sides, and the concrete patio and concrete blocks should hold heat from any sunshine. Will have to try it next year. Maybe I will see if I can start cold tolerant crops early. Thanks, Patrick, for all the help and information you provide with your videos.
@OneYardRevolution 8 жыл бұрын
+DoriGardener That sounds like a great area for a winter garden as long as it gets plenty of sun!
@harryrarmer 8 жыл бұрын
That's a lot of maths (math sorry) for one film Patrick! I've just uploaded a vid to show progress in the garden and the results of my trip to the brewery today. Whilst there I noticed some sacks full of a substance I didn't recognise, the brewer said it was waste hops and I was welcome to take as much away as I liked so I brought home half a dozen sacks. The only problem now is that I need to find more pallets to make another compost bin with to deal with the hops. Have you ever used hops?
@OneYardRevolution 8 жыл бұрын
+Michael Ball Hi Michael! I've never used hops, but I definitely would if I had a chance.
@rosem4584 8 жыл бұрын
have you ever thought of moving to Arizona? yes it's very hot here with a little know how you can grow all year long! give it some thought!?!
@OneYardRevolution 8 жыл бұрын
Hi Rose. Unfortunately, I don't tolerate heat very well. My skin breaks out, I sweat profusely. It's not a pretty sight.
@rosem4584 8 жыл бұрын
Okay I just thought I ask! I'm not too crazy of the hot weather my self but we have some nice weather in the winter time!
@OneYardRevolution 8 жыл бұрын
I visited Phoenix in the summer once. I didn't think I'd make it out alive! ;-) I'm sure I'd like the winter weather though.
@BenjasUberHobby 8 жыл бұрын
What a difference the 2nd layer made. I was shocked to see how much smaller the plants got on this video compared to the last video. I'm sure it is frustrating having to release the heat just to end up with cloudy days where you could have used that heat. Have you ever thought of trying to insulate the north side of the hoop house (LDSprepper has a video where he give numbers on how much it help his greenhouse but he has 2 layers of plastic so i don't know how this would differ)? I heard it can make a big difference in heat loss. I guess heat is part of you problem though.
@OneYardRevolution 8 жыл бұрын
+Benja's Uber 1337 Hobby Keep in mind that we harvest crops almost daily, especially the more mature crops. That's why plants appear to be getting smaller (the larger leaves are no longer there). Plants also droop when it's cold, which gives them a smaller appearance. Here's just one harvest from this weekend: facebook.com/oneyardrevolution/photos/a.978291652209901.1073741885.543322169040187/985452624827137/?l=a05880a452
@BenjasUberHobby 8 жыл бұрын
+OneYardRevolution | Frugal & Sustainable Organic Gardening That is an amazing harvest for your zone and all the snow :) Sorry for my ignorance i don't have much experience with cold weather crops and growing. My area we don't get many freezes but sometimes we might. If we do the temp might only drop below 32f for just a few hours overnight. That is so exciting to see all the plants you have alive with so much snow there :) I enjoy your videos and can't wait to see more of them :)
@OneYardRevolution 8 жыл бұрын
+Benja's Uber 1337 Hobby Thanks! It sounds like you have a great climate for winter gardening! I'm going to do a January harvest and recipes video at the end of the month to give people a better idea of what we're harvesting this month. By then the garden will be pretty picked over. At this time of year, plants are dormant, so there's no new growth to replace all the harvested crops. That will change some time next month when plants start growing again. Can't wait!
@BenjasUberHobby 8 жыл бұрын
+OneYardRevolution | Frugal & Sustainable Organic Gardening Can't wait to see your harvest video :) and any recipes you have :)
@OneYardRevolution 8 жыл бұрын
+Benja's Uber 1337 Hobby Thanks!
@dlomack9794 7 жыл бұрын
Do you use a fan inside your greenhouse?
@OneYardRevolution 7 жыл бұрын
We don't use a fan. The greenhouse is only covered from late fall through early spring. It's pretty cold most of the time and mold isn't an issue at the low temps.
@SabineRiverAuthority 8 жыл бұрын
Steven, Patrick, I've a few ideas about automation for a greenhouse. Ive decided to postpone building cause i just don't need it here in Z8. A thermostat controlling a relay to close the circuit for vent fans, timers for supplement lights on overcast days, humidity controls for fungus prevention, and automatic watering system. 24 vt power system, working off of solar panels and deep cycle batteries. Of Course my idea was aquaponic, with a self feeding rocket mass heater. I don't have any written plans, just ideas I've conjured from a life time of experience as a master electrician, and instrumentation technician. If money is not an object hit me up, I'd be glad to share. I think you both have my email.
@OneYardRevolution 8 жыл бұрын
+Sabine RiverAuthority Those are definitely great ideas, Nelson, and I appreciate your offer to help! I've modeled what I do after Eliot Coleman's approach. He grows year round in Maine. His setup is very simple, and he uses very little, if any, automation. I hope to keep my approach very simple as well. I may add an automated window opener this year, but probably won't take it further than that. As I said, though, I really appreciate your ideas and your offer to help! Thanks!
@rosem4584 8 жыл бұрын
what year did you come out? have lived here for 35years this coming Monday and ever year I say the same thing! time to move! Ha ha
@OneYardRevolution 8 жыл бұрын
It was a LONG time ago - the late 70's.
@1975Jdonov 8 жыл бұрын
Do you find yourself having to water less? It looks like the water is evaporating right back into your system with all the condensation I see on your hoop house.
@OneYardRevolution 8 жыл бұрын
+1975Jdonov Yes, we've only watered 3 times since covering the hoop house with plastic. You're right. Most of the moisture stays in the hoop house. Plus when it's this cold the plants go dormant and don't need much water (if any).
@royamberg9177 8 жыл бұрын
looking like just a little heat from like a heat tape laying on the soil for the extreme cold for a few hours would keep it from Freezing
@OneYardRevolution 8 жыл бұрын
+Roy Amberg You're right, Roy. It wouldn't take much to keep the cold frames above freezing on extremely cold nights.
@royamberg9177 8 жыл бұрын
Even a light bulb under the plastic just so it don't get to close and melt it
@OneYardRevolution 8 жыл бұрын
+Roy Amberg True.
@achilleuspetreas3828 6 жыл бұрын
As great as this protection is (I'm doing it myself this year, so thank you!) it is not at all accurate and a grave generalization of zones. Zones are about the average extreme minimum winter temperature per year...not average highs and lows during the winter. That can vary extremely within the same zone. I live an hour north of Detroit...which is zone 6b/7a. The average winter temps are defiantly not what you suggest, which is more common in a zone 6b in the upper South. Plus...if it was 0F outside (which is the coldest of zone 7a) and it was 20F in the 2nd layer (the coldest of zone 9a), then it is only 2 zones warmer at the max. I love the work you're doing, but I believe this is stretching it way too much...did you record any other temps during the winter?? I would love to know...
@OneYardRevolution 6 жыл бұрын
Obviously, “3 zones to the south” is a generalization intended to give people a rough idea of what to expect when growing under cover. Any talk of zones is a generalization by definition, given the wide range of growing conditions in any given zone. Even so, it is based on decades of observation from Eliot Coleman, and, as generalizations go, I find it useful when deciding what and when to plant when growing under cover. Though a generalization, it turned out to be fairly accurate in this case. If you look only at minimum temperatures, the minimum temperature under 2 layers of cover was 20.9° F. The minimum temp outside that day was 0°F. This is consistent with what I’d expect from a zone 8 microclimate. Zone 8 average minimums range from 10° to 20°F.
@achilleuspetreas3828 6 жыл бұрын
I understand, yes. But I don't know if it is best to say a zone 8 microclimate in zone 5 when the minimum temp recorded here was 0F, which is zone 7. Did it get any colder that year or was 0F the coldest it got?
@OneYardRevolution 6 жыл бұрын
Please understand that I didn’t make this video in order to definitively prove Coleman’s "three-zones-to-the-south" observation. I simply recorded temperature data for a period of time and shared it with viewers. I also believe my data is entirely consistent with, but not a proof of, Coleman's observation. In addition to having confidence in Coleman's expertise, I have also found his "generalization" to be very helpful in very practical terms (what to plant, when to plant, what is likely to survive winter under cover, etc.) If you don't find his "generalization" helpful, by all means disregard it.
@charronfamilyconnect 6 жыл бұрын
***Have you tried combining geothermal heating with hoop houses, and is so how did the results fair***
@OneYardRevolution 6 жыл бұрын
I haven't tried it, but it's definitely worth pursuing. It works.
@charronfamilyconnect 6 жыл бұрын
I wonder if you used hugelkulture hoop housing and married them together if geothermal heating would even be necessary even if its in growing zone 5? That would be an interesting experiment to try. Thanks!
@charronfamilyconnect 2 жыл бұрын
@@OneYardRevolution Have you tried it yet? Just looking for an update. I saw some videos where a guy dug his green house below the frost line to about 5 or 6feet. Apparently, in this configuration, he can harvest cold hardy veggies all year long without any need for covering them beyond the regular greenhouse windows., but he did not prove it yet since it was a new project. I am trying to find someone on KZfaq that has actually implemented it, and experiment with this greenhouse config. Thanks!
@MushroomPatch 8 жыл бұрын
I know it's not what you would want to do however...a small ceramic heater under the 2nd layer adj. to 35f would do a world of good. Heater in such a small area would cost you pennies a day.
@OneYardRevolution 8 жыл бұрын
+MushroomPatch I can definitely understand the case for using supplemental heating, but you wouldn't have to set the temperature that high when growing these crops. They all tolerate freezing temps. If I went that route, I'd set it at around 20°. With no supplemental heating, we harvested these crops yesterday: facebook.com/oneyardrevolution/photos/a.978291652209901.1073741885.543322169040187/985452624827137/?l=a05880a452
@MushroomPatch 8 жыл бұрын
I'm concerned about your tree colours (not sure how it's spelled) not surviving the winter. This would surely protect them from those few times they may not survive the cold. Nevertheless EXCELLENT work and videos.
@OneYardRevolution 8 жыл бұрын
+MushroomPatch Thanks! Fortunately, the tree collards have held up better than many other crops. They don't even appear to be stressed by the cold. Tonight will be the real test. It's going to be -3°f / -19.4°c. Fingers crossed!
@urgencepc4563 2 жыл бұрын
Kinda makes you wanna sleep in the greehouse... well, almost. :)
@angieswyers5633 8 жыл бұрын
So have a house inside a house to be able to get your greens to grow in winter.. I am in st louis. mo Alberta Sent me to your page.. I have 1000 sq foot Hoop house with double lair / Heater If i want to burn wood. But this past week my swiss chard froze.. And I moved the growing to the inside basement 1300 sq foot Lows of 57f .. I will be trying the greenhouse in a greenhouse this weekend.. Too much growing in side. Like 700 tomato 700 pepper plants, And I am getting sick of buying light.. 100 light 200 bulbs.. talk about the power bill going up.. lol
@OneYardRevolution 8 жыл бұрын
+Angie Swyers Hi Angie! If you added some cold frames inside your hoop house, there's a good chance you'd be able to grow chard all winter in St. Louis. You must have a huge grow room inside!
@angieswyers5633 8 жыл бұрын
Yes I do. I have 1300 sq feet heated and with lights inside, I use 200 sq foot as my germination room. I am hoping to build a large 4 season greenhouse mid to late summer this year. I may move some Chinese cabbage, and lettuces out to the greenhouse this next week to make room inside.. I would say I have a total of 3,000 or mire plants growing inside now.. it's getting over whelming..
@OneYardRevolution 8 жыл бұрын
+Angie Swyers I can definitely understand how that could be overwhelming!
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