Counter argument: Create belts are sick

But they look so cool!

"Belts take up a ton of space". Suggests using vaults, which take up even more space...

ah yes, the cost of a stack of iron vs 6 kelp

"They take up a ton of space." Ah yes, Minecraft, the game where I'm chronically strapped for space.

Counterargument: Who the f@ck *doesn’t* have rotational force in Create

This is gonna become the channel meme: don't use belts, use item vaults

Ok but they look so good, one of the main reasons I love create is because I can see everything really happening unlike other automation mods that just have boxes and pipes that are too industrial to mesh with the rest of minecraft

And what is that at the end? is that a b-b-b-b-b-belt?

Belts don't suck they move (This is a terrible comment)

I DONT CARE HOW MUCH THEY SUCK, AS A FACTORIO PLAYER I *MUST* USE THEM

hoppers be like: god may forgive you but I will not.

For long distance item transfer, a loooong contraption with a pair of Portable Storage Interfaces is cheaper and also instant.

Casually displays his precision mechanism setup with a belt 😂

Oh my god. The assembly line trick was exactly what I was looking for. There's a ton of sequential assembly in Create Astral and I was having trouble keeping the belts from jamming.

Create belts are great for the visual of having a sprawling factory though efficency be damed.

sure, but the vault only transports it up to 9 blocks at maximal size, and you need tons of resources for that

Vanilla users: a what? 👁️ 👄 👁️

Item vaults are more practical if you cant get speed for belts but even still the belts look cooler

return to ur roots use water belts

Counter point: Belts is why the create mod is one of the best mods. Other mods are just cheap. Same goes for item vaults.

Wtf is this I haven't played minecraft for only 2 months

The belts is essentially made for crafting stuff and mass fanning Having vaults on a moving contraption makes transporting much easier

You can move stuff upwards with funnels. If you put an out going funnel on top of a storage unit, items will be shot out of it upwards a short distance. Then place an intake funnel on another storage unit so that the funnel is in the path of the flying object. It can be oriented on the sides or bottom of the storage. And as long as the intake is close enough it will always collect the flying item. I've only made a system like that with the output and intake directly on each other. storage = S; funnel = f S f

Trust me, they can transport A LOT. Coming from an automation game player, so like Factorio, Satusfactory, etc.

Yes this is especially useful for smelting iron while moving it perfect

The assembly line uses conveyers, very good attention to detail

Objection, they look cool also it’s easier just to connect belts instead of vaults to belts and back to vaults to do belt shenanigans

You know what he used in his contraption at the end to transport some items. Yep, a belt.

Counterarguement: factorio uses belts

I use belts when I need the rotational force to be accessible on the other end of the machine. Mainly though, I just use it for moving rotational force.

Create Belts suck but that's what makes them perfect. It gives the player a design challenge that can result in wildly different results. Like you can work around it easily or you can make it a part of the fun. Great tutorial of course!

Create belts are not only for moving items though

a catapult is good for long-range transportation, and a conveyor is also suitable for nearby ones, since it is cheaper

Ah this reminds me of the old project red transportation pipes. connect them up to your primary storage then put blue chips with the exact resources you need on a whitelist to wherever you need en to go

So its just like using inserters and trains to move stuff in factorio? A cool concept but games like that are more fun when you rout belts in super cool ways

I use belts for like 3 things 1. cool displays of items I’m making 2.transport of rpower 3. To make some setups easier to manage (like having a lot of things rotate the same way or the correct way I want)

But they can be useful to connect shafts

also portable storage interface on a static contraption

we got someting like that: water

Counter arguement: Create belts are far easier to automate and by the time you need them you have enough stress units to play around with

sometimes i forget how close in close in age we are, so it feels weird to say that you've raised me in a way thank you for making content, Ryan take a break whenever you feel like we all love you :)

I learn so many things from you , thank you for making them

Buildcraft pipes will always be in my heart

We either make lines out of belts, each line costs 6 pieces of sea weed, two crumbs of iron and andesite, or terrifying constructions of vaults each at the price of 2 iron and 6.2 boards. By choosing the side of the kelp lines, you save resources for a whole shield

The vault is only good for short distances and is larger than a belt and more expensive and you don't have to kit the belt into the machine if you don't want to and though the belt uses fast rotation it doesn't use stress units

Fun fact: you don't need mods for a convauer belt you just need to cycle a group of blockes then through a item on it. It may be slow but it gets the job done

belts are very useful for a lot of things, including moving items (though you have better options) next thing im gonna make is going to use vaults, and ejector depots cause it will be funny to watch shit fly around

Minecart contraptions instantly transfer as well and I believe it would be more cost efficient when transferring items unless you need a vault for the many access points like the three step poker. Perfect for moving items from one room to another as long as the minecart is blocked in and you keep the cart assembler in place with redstone power, and it can even be hidden in walls as long as you at least have the interfaces on both ends. You might need a barrel on the contraption to make it transfer, but should work as long as the stationary interfaces have directional input and output ie chute on top or bottom

bro i was jut waiting for him to say item drains😭 i guess i still learned something

Counter argument: what is the point of the create mod if not to make the most beautifully convoluted machine as opposed to an admittedly efficient but boring machine

Item vaults are horrible lag machines on servers larger than 5 players when you use brass funnels to output from them.

the Joshua Weissman skin goes hard man

its mindustry all over again

it's not always about the efficiency, spiderman

People say "but they look sick!" Yet i find myself to be more of a buildcraft pipe conneseur.

honestly one of the belts' biggest downsides is the lag with large amounts of em

contraptions are even better because the whole contraption shares the same inventory, and thus you can attach funnels to it, swerve and shimmy the chassis and turn it into an entity by a gentle push from a piston

Thats part of why i like them. They dont make hoppers completely irrelevant.

Holy crap that is so smart, I never thought of that

Contraptions with portable storage interfaces are better than item vaults. They’re just as fast, cheaper, and can be in the same place as other blocks.

most back handed plug ever

Belts dont take up stress units, you can hook them up to a controller at any rpm

Don't forget having to align the parity of the RF so it doesn't go backwards

As a mindustry player, I kinda expected this

Counter argument, that one storage mod beardstone uses

*_(Intense Mindustry Spaghetti conveyors PTSD flashbacks)_*

I mean, in most cases, you only use create stuff for moving stuff when no other mod will function for that purposes. So maybe if you play with only create installed

yeah but if you build your machines in a certain way you can use belt drives to carry items while powering machinery

going to store my iron nuggets in one of these for my rail assembly

They might not be the greatest but something about having a factory with belts and machines all over the place just looks so much cooler

Belts are for short assembly lines, not for mass transportation

Use cars contraption for this, works exactly the same of vault, and u can male any size, i use a lot above my machines to connect the outputs

ton of space, require rotational force... actually, that's why i use them lol

I love the create belts but just for making non-osha compliant escalators :)

for really big long item runs i will still use water and blue ice

thought this was going the direction of weighted ejectors, haha

“These are better because they instantly transport your item 3 blocks maximum”

Modded minecraft players when a feature is engaging and interesting rather than empty and soulless:

yea it true, but for me that is to simple. i love the chalenge to create stuff on the not so easy way. anyways great to know

Vaults are good, but they are small. A minecart contraption is better in every way

Embrace belt spaghetti.

Hopper be laughing at the corner

pipez, ender io (for the newest versions), pretty pipes, and other item transportation mods upon hearing this information:

that’s kinda how real life works

Counterpoint belts look cool

Counter argument: belts can go further than vaults (due to vaults size limit$

Item drains makes less lag than both belts and vaults.

Factorio Players when they use Cargo Wagons instead of belts

Instant dropper lines already did that

Hoppers: 👁️👄👁️

okay, use your vaults that arguably take up more space. and make jt practical

> Belts suck > Use vaults instead > Design at end of video uses vault > Look closer > Belts

main argument: belts lag the game like crazy in endgame

When someone have bad computer like me they making lags too

As a factorio player, the belts are necessary.

This is just the Factorio cargo wagon abomination all over again…

Counter argument: you listed all the reasons that belts are awesome

I’ve actually had to intentionally make belts slower before

Well, create belts are actually more the energetic conduit [from, ender IO (some of younglings probably have never played with ender io)] of create rather than item conduit, the fact that they can transport items at all. It's more than likely just a hey they're belts type of a thing