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Crisis Series #46: What About the Other Traditional Mass Communities?

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SSPX News - English

2 жыл бұрын

Today we’re joined by Fr. McFarland to discuss the other groups that commonly say the Traditional Latin Mass, known commonly as the “Ecclesia Dei Communities” since they were formed after the decree of Pope John Paul II by the same name. Among Traditional Catholics, there seems to be a lot of confusion about why there’s a division between the Society of Saint Pius X and these groups. On the surface, they look identical. Both say the Latin Mass, both are orthodox in their sacraments and teaching, the priests wear cassocks, etc. So what’s the problem with the Fraternity of Saint Peter, the Institute of Christ the King, and the others? Is it just a trad version of the Hatfields & McCoys? Fr McFarland explains why objectively, there’s a difference.
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@joanmaltman9580
@joanmaltman9580 2 жыл бұрын
I am 87 and I can remember how dismayed I was when the language of the Mass was no longer Latin. What has happened is far worse. Receiving Communion in the hand, Mass being celebrated facing the congregation, and the Tabernacle no longer having central focus being placed away from the altar. Please restore the Church.
@jackieann5494
@jackieann5494 2 жыл бұрын
Joan , God bless you ! I have found a Traditional Latin Mass within an hour oft home. It feels like coming home to attend . I pray you can find one , also . God bless you
@elizabethdarley8646
@elizabethdarley8646 2 жыл бұрын
@@jackieann5494 Dear Jackie, We too go to SSPX church Mass which is 34 miles away and it really is a glorious command from Our Blessed Lord! Praise God!
@AskTheKid
@AskTheKid 2 жыл бұрын
87 and you know how to work youtube? Good for you
@TLM-st
@TLM-st 2 жыл бұрын
Helllo Joan, my utmost respect for your faith. I just started going to the TLM some 8-9 weeks ago. I didnt even know about it nor that the regular Sunday mass I was attending is called Novus Ordo mass. I accidently bumped into the "Pachamama procession" held inside the Basilica by Pope Francis(youtube) that got me all upset and started doing some research. But now I'm totally confused. Do I stop attending all weekdays masses and sunday masses and only attend the 1 Tridentine Mass on Sunday that available only in 1 church in my city? You see, my mom had a severe stroke last Nov 2021, now half paralysed, on a feeding tube, and I was hoping to pray for her in church every day,,,,now what do I do? Just pray at home instead? Any advice from traditional caholics here most welcome. Thank you and GOD Bless everybody here
@bowlsantander9730
@bowlsantander9730 Жыл бұрын
@@TLM-st You can visit the Blessed Sacrament in Novus Ordo Churches, the Sacrament is valid. But you can't attend the N.O. Mass, as the N.O. Mass, even if valid, is a displeasing sacrifice to God. It's like the difference between the sacrifices of Cain and Abel. But... if the Church distributes Communion in the hand, then all bets are off because even traversing the nave and transept to sit in / kneel in a pew you run the high risk of stepping on Our Lord in the fragments that inevitably fall from people's hands as they walk away from taking Communion. It's awful.
@AlanSextonVT
@AlanSextonVT 2 жыл бұрын
Thank God for Abp.Lefebvre and all the courageous members of the SSPX. I offer to any priest of the SSPX that may want and need a home here in Vermont, USA, a fiercly protective and loving home with my family and our FULL support.
@redneckpride4ever
@redneckpride4ever 2 жыл бұрын
The SSPX have a mission chapel in Gilford NH. Maybe I'll see you at Mass one day.
@AlanSextonVT
@AlanSextonVT 2 жыл бұрын
@@redneckpride4ever Thank you for that information, my friend!! I wasn't aware the SSPX had a presence in NH. Is this new or have they been there for awhile?
@redneckpride4ever
@redneckpride4ever 2 жыл бұрын
They've been there for quite a long time. A visiting priest from the Connecticut priory arrives every Sunday at 2PM.
@feaokautai7354
@feaokautai7354 2 жыл бұрын
Great SSPX for TRUTH-JESUS CHRIST always. Living Truth of Christianity! Your society flourishes for you adore the TRUTH JESUS CHRIST.
@anneclark9508
@anneclark9508 2 жыл бұрын
God Bless you. You give me a good idea
@debrasaints3809
@debrasaints3809 2 жыл бұрын
I went back to TLM last week to an SSPX Chapel. I was truly back home just like when I converted to Catholicism in 1965! Profound peace is what I experienced. God bless the SSPX. I’m never going back. Deo gratias ✝️
@clarencelafuentes5331
@clarencelafuentes5331 Жыл бұрын
Outstanding. Dogmas, All, must be believed. Writers like Evelyn Waugh, Michael Davies, Hamish Fraser, Rabbi Zolli, Freta Palmer, Dr. Karl Stern, and Graham Greene said the same.
@mikeoconnor4590
@mikeoconnor4590 2 жыл бұрын
We wouldn’t have the Tridentine mass were it not for the Society of Saint Pius x God bless the work done by the Society of Saint Pius X!
@lilianfernandes1198
@lilianfernandes1198 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you Fr McFarland for perfect clarity and to all our SSPX priests for their uncompromising faith as taught by Jesus Christ and for holding fast to our 2000 year old tradition. God is unchanging and so is His Church. God bless and protect the Society 🙏🙏
@jesusl5786
@jesusl5786 2 жыл бұрын
Definitely want to do my confirmation with SSPX
@inesdeerausquin5658
@inesdeerausquin5658 2 жыл бұрын
Find the nearest chapel to you and ask when they're having confirmations next! 🙏
@elizabethdarley8646
@elizabethdarley8646 2 жыл бұрын
Dear Jesus L, My husband and I age 59 and 69 last year had our Confirmation in the SSPX in UK. We love God and we are so very grateful to God for the SSPX. We came to the SSPX from 10 years in the Church of England. God took us both directly to the SSPX. God commanded us to go to the SSPX. Praise God!
@jackiegeronimo1728
@jackiegeronimo1728 2 жыл бұрын
Abp. Lefebvre saw the core of the crisis in the Church and left a safe path for us through the SSPX.
@thuyanh6734
@thuyanh6734 Жыл бұрын
I believe that it's God's providence,🙏
@g.e.m.1247
@g.e.m.1247 2 жыл бұрын
God bless Fr McFarland for speaking for Truth, our Lord Jesus Christ our King, with utmost clarity.
@Ruby-fq5lo
@Ruby-fq5lo Жыл бұрын
Thank you Fr for this incredibly informative and comprehensive account. I currently attend the FSSP as was baptised as an adult in this community. We have wonderful Holy traditional priests. I think the problem is, now that the constitutions have been agreed and set up, the priests of the ED communities are answerable to their Bishops and do not want to leave the parishioners without enough Latin Masses to be able to attend. It is up to the leaders of these communities to take action. What a mess, but I hope the other ED groups and my own FSSP are able in the future to stand alongside and even join with the SSPX as we once again say, "God bless Archbp. Lefebvre" for his stand and bravery.
@paulmassey4261
@paulmassey4261 2 жыл бұрын
A simple comment on the point "has it worked?" Where is the Bishop promised to the Ecclesia Dei organisations? 33 years later....
@TIBKProductions
@TIBKProductions 2 жыл бұрын
They lied
@TS-ex4ql
@TS-ex4ql 2 жыл бұрын
When we 1st began attending SSPX years ago, we found it hard to understand why the SSPX recommended not attending Mass at the FSSP. It’s the same Mass and all, right? Well no, we eventually found that it’s not just about the Mass, it’s about the doctrine and the compromises that the Indult communities made prevent them from criticizing the new Mass and the errors of Vatican 2. There were 2 specific instances: 1. While Amoris Laeticia was released, the FSSP remained silent and did not offer an explanation or even a comment. The SSPX Prior went around to all the Mass centres in his area and made sure we knew what the 7 heresies in AL were and made it clear what the Church teaches and will always teach about Matrimony. 2. The FSSP Priest once gave a sermon on Marriage, but used the 1983 Code of Canon Law definition which inverts the ends of Marriage by putting the good of the spouses as the primary end and the procreation and education of children as the second end. We cannot have our children hearing the Catechism that we teach to them contradicted. Sure the Mass was the same the days that those examples happened, but we did not get the proper Traditional reaffirmation and teaching of the Church. Many FSSP and I duet community Priests mean well and are holy men, but their hands are tied when it comes to issues like these. Thank you SSPX for protecting the Traditional Priesthood and Mass and Doctrines of all time.
@margaretboyle8719
@margaretboyle8719 2 жыл бұрын
It is clear to me that FSSP want to have their cake and eat it too. I have heard Fr. Thomas Wolfe point fingers at SSPX for its "dubious" position. It is a pity that he and perhaps others, fail to realize that without the late Bishop Lefebvre, there would be NO FSSP. In reality, they want to have the appearance of authority that the counterfeit NO hierarchy provides.
@loarnotoole36
@loarnotoole36 2 жыл бұрын
Very well said my friend....God bless you and your family....we are in evil times methinks...✌👍
@margaretboyle8719
@margaretboyle8719 2 жыл бұрын
@@loarnotoole36 Yes, the times are evil and I believe as do many, that we are being chastised for rampant sin. Please pray your Rosary DAILY as the Holy Virgin requests, repeatedly. God bless you and yours.
@hv5988
@hv5988 2 жыл бұрын
I'm not trying to argue but I'm new to the SSPX and was curious why those explanations of marriage are wrong. That's what I learned. Again, not argueing. Just trying to understand.
@vincomortem
@vincomortem Жыл бұрын
The New Code of Canon Law does not invert the ends of marriage what are you talking about lol
@horizon-one
@horizon-one Жыл бұрын
Thank you Fr. McFarland for explaining this clearly. I found it confusing determining where to go to follow Christ in the right way. An SSPX Priest who was very kind to speak with me for over an hour answering questions, then watching this series gave me the facts (without swaying my path) that helped me determine where to be (which is SSPX). By the way, during the journey, I contacted FSSP 4 times by email and leaving phone messages. I never received a response. In every contact (email or phone message) to SSPX I received a response. I found SSPX Priests to be wonderful.
@ryanscottlogan8459
@ryanscottlogan8459 2 жыл бұрын
Please think about doing a episode on the collapse of religious life and invite a SSPX sister and brother to discuss it.
@FMDad-dm5qo
@FMDad-dm5qo 2 жыл бұрын
Great idea.
@trinah9918
@trinah9918 Жыл бұрын
Yes please. I'm a convert. I would love to see the religious brothers and sisters of the sspx.
@_BattleForTruth
@_BattleForTruth 2 жыл бұрын
Very well said Father. Thank you! 🙏🏼 God Bless the SSPX!
@alfredvent9049
@alfredvent9049 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you for this clear and brilliant protection of the deposit of faith. God bless your work.
@nancyriley3275
@nancyriley3275 2 жыл бұрын
Brilliant..absolutely brilliant. Archbishop Lefebvre saved the priesthood and should be declared a saint. The Ecclesia Die communities will be continually squeezed into a box because of Traditionis Custodes
@edschoenstein1893
@edschoenstein1893 2 жыл бұрын
Squeezed into a box until there isn’t a box to be in anymore….
@yvatna76
@yvatna76 2 жыл бұрын
My understanding is that Lefebvre was willing to 'accept' Vatican II in the spirit of tradition (paraphrased). Lefebvre was the one who initially proposed the 'compromise' if you believe Michael Davies account of Lefebvre's dialogues with Pope Paul VI (presumably given to Davies by Lefebvre), which can be read at the SSPX Asia website. Lefebvre may have had a change of heart by '88, but basically FSSP (and subsequently other groups) took the deal Lefebvre was slated to take had the unauthorized consecrations not taken place in '88.
@marietta1335
@marietta1335 Жыл бұрын
Unfortunately, SSPX is already out of the box.
@benh5102
@benh5102 2 жыл бұрын
Excellent! A fine example of clarity! Let’s pray that all traditional groups will officially stand in the unchanging eternal truths of Holy Mother Church. For when the triumph of the Immaculate Heart comes there will certainly be NO compromising with errors! I think this is the best video yet, especially for those already in tradition. Clear, dogmatic, & to the point! Thank you Fr. McFarland, Thank You!
@jasmintan7920
@jasmintan7920 2 жыл бұрын
Praying for our dear Lord Jesus Christ and our Blessed Virgin Mary to grant us more holy Priest to fight this holy battle.
@fatimaalqattan353
@fatimaalqattan353 2 жыл бұрын
🙏🙏🙏🙏
@peterlongan
@peterlongan 2 жыл бұрын
It's really mind blowing how God chose to preserve the Catholic Church through essentially ONE man (Levebvre) out of hundreds of millions of Catholics.
@christopherplonka5948
@christopherplonka5948 2 жыл бұрын
Wow! Beautifully said!
@AulusClaudiusNero
@AulusClaudiusNero 2 жыл бұрын
Not for the first time, either. He did the same thing through St. Athanasius some 1700 years ago. Every so often it seems the main body of the Church hierarchy can be led astray, and the Lord keeps His promise to the Church through individuals with exceptional courage and insight.
@feaokautai7354
@feaokautai7354 2 жыл бұрын
Excellent for the Holy Spirit guiding you SSPX in the faith against jealousy. Your great servant of TRUTH AND CLARITY of our Catholicism. Blessings in Jesus Christ!
@leshademag
@leshademag 2 жыл бұрын
God bless Fr. McFarland. The Our Lady of Sorrows retreat house is so helpful. Our Lady reward them with many graces. God bless holy priests! Archbishop Lefevre ora por nobis, St. Pius X ora por nobis.
@greyowl7869
@greyowl7869 Жыл бұрын
Well...I attend the TLM within the beloved SSPX in Winnipeg! The church (curiously enough) is at the intersection of Church and Mackenzie streets!!!🤩 Keep the faith folks. We are the winning team!!! Velox Versutus Vigilans
@ginterka381996
@ginterka381996 2 жыл бұрын
God bless you Father McFarland. 😊🙏 Greetings from Warsaw. SSPX is growing here too. 🇵🇱😁 Deo gratias!
@Albert_OPt
@Albert_OPt 2 жыл бұрын
Pozdrawiam.:)
@ginterka381996
@ginterka381996 2 жыл бұрын
@@Albert_OPt Pozdrawiam serdecznie. 😁
@loarnotoole36
@loarnotoole36 2 жыл бұрын
Brilliant....the TRUTH shall set you FREE..saith the Lord....👏👏✌👍
@ewa2524
@ewa2524 Жыл бұрын
Pozdrawiam z UK, tu też rozrastamy się. Wielu rodaków zasiliło kaplice i kościoły Bractwa 🙏
@MadMax31577
@MadMax31577 2 жыл бұрын
Bishop Athanasius Schneider says the SSPX is fully Catholic
@DonaldHSmith
@DonaldHSmith 2 жыл бұрын
Please tell, when and where Bishop Schneider was reported as saying this?
@teddyspaghetti9566
@teddyspaghetti9566 2 жыл бұрын
@@DonaldHSmith Here you go: kzfaq.info/get/bejne/qqyAZ5tm37uxd4U.html
@matthewdto1
@matthewdto1 2 жыл бұрын
Yes, but Bishop Schneider was upset that the SSPX calls the Novus Ordo Mass sinful. He said basically "I also say the Novus Ordo Mass. When I do so am I sinning?"
@MadMax31577
@MadMax31577 2 жыл бұрын
@@DonaldHSmith In his book Christus Vincit, pg 149, paragraph 2
@MadMax31577
@MadMax31577 2 жыл бұрын
I go to an FSSP parish. I’ve met about ten of their priests. So far it’s been 50/50. Some think Francis is great and everything’s fine. Some not so much. They have to be careful about what they say. One says the “novus is garbage “. Another tries to explain away why it’s okay that Francis wants to change the words of the Our Father
@francisv1021
@francisv1021 2 жыл бұрын
I pray to God and with the intercession of Our Lady we would have a SSPX chapel in my area, because we don't have any TLM option.
@MsHburnett
@MsHburnett 2 жыл бұрын
The major reason for the problem is the bishop of Rome who would rather dialogue with pagans
@avarmadillo
@avarmadillo 2 жыл бұрын
A great conversation! And a great summary at the end. Thank you, Fr. McFarland for such a clear exposition of the essence of the issue. Thank you! So, I wonder if the groups you are disagreeing with ever admit there IS a crisis in the Church? JPII denied such a crisis in his exchange with Cardinal Levfebvre? Personally, I think the tragedies that have invaded the Church like a tsunami since that brief but celebrated meeting with JPII vindicates Cardinal Levfebvre's concerns a thousand times over. He was and is right, JPII was and is, tragically----even catastrophically wrong. I think the final question and concern in this interview is a good one. Specifically, If all these Latin mass groups are, in different ways, doing what they can to preserve and restore the faith, why the animosity? I go to an FSSP community not far from my home, and speaking to one their priests he commented the SSPX was just like the Protestants. I WAS a Protestant---and no protestants I know over ever taught and worshipped like the SSPX. Can we at least tone down the rhetoric?!? But for me, even more importantly the question is this: If each of these groups are struggling toward a common final cause---restoration----what is the best way to go about it? Outside the approved communities of the visible Church---or within the approved communities? Personally, I think that would be a worthy topic.
@bryanmccaffrey6155
@bryanmccaffrey6155 2 жыл бұрын
SSPX is like the older brother who sets the right example for the younger brothers who may go astray.
@chuckeycheese3215
@chuckeycheese3215 2 жыл бұрын
yeah the right example like refusing to reconcile despite the numerous attempts during pope Benedict because you know why would a catholic church want to be in communion with rome
@michaelpena8845
@michaelpena8845 Жыл бұрын
@@chuckeycheese3215 The fact that rome hasn’t given the other ecclesia dei communities a bishop and the fact that rome has repeatedly put restrictions on them and forced them to say the novus ordo is proof that the SSPX should stay in its irregular position until a good pope does away with all the novus ordo nonsense
@ljones436
@ljones436 Жыл бұрын
Leaving the Church and following a break away Protestant like band invented by Mr. Lefebvre is not the answer.
@mp5639
@mp5639 11 ай бұрын
The IBP was never forced to say the Novus Ordo
@irishdancer2753
@irishdancer2753 Жыл бұрын
So wonderful! The Catholic Church today is a disgrace to Jesus Christ. We need more prayers for our Catholic Church to return to prior to 1962. A MUST!!! 🙏🏻
@caneloalvarez1516
@caneloalvarez1516 2 жыл бұрын
Can we get Fr McFarland to debate Fr Ripperger. Both very knowledgeable priests who have two different points of view??
@redneckpride4ever
@redneckpride4ever Жыл бұрын
I'd like to see that. I'm an SSPX guy, but Fr. Ripperger is someone I respect.
@lourdesmenezes4974
@lourdesmenezes4974 2 жыл бұрын
Seven years ago I found my Catholic Faith through the SSPX. So grateful what Archbishop Lefebvre did and left behind for us. This is priceless. God bless and keep all our SSPX Fathers steadfast on the path of truth for which their Founder suffered so much. Thank you you all.
@osvaldolicon5855
@osvaldolicon5855 11 ай бұрын
He is my priest in my parish, such an amazing pastor.. God bless him
@lawrenceganem4081
@lawrenceganem4081 Жыл бұрын
We have a crisis in the Church that continues to become more and more obvious. At some point the FSSP will have to make the hard decision to say NO to all these changes and suffer the consequences. We all have one common enemy and that is Satan. The smoke of Satan has entered our Church. Let’s fight this battle together not divided. Jesus Christ is the head of our Church. No man can assume the Kingship of Jesus Christ. Compromise is not an option. Let’s pray together and win together in Jesus Christ Amen.
@DystopiaFatigue
@DystopiaFatigue Жыл бұрын
A year after "Traditiones Oppugnatores", the Institute of Christ the King was prohibited by Archbishop Cupich from public celebrations of the Mass, and they have complied, demonstrating just how perilous their very existence is.
@mathfrom0to96
@mathfrom0to96 Жыл бұрын
Isn't Cupich a Cardinal (even at the time), and you mean only in Chicago?
@eileenmurray737
@eileenmurray737 2 жыл бұрын
Thank God for the SSPX. I can’t wait to get to our Lady of Sorrows in Baton Rouge, Louisiana.
@Advocata
@Advocata 2 жыл бұрын
The problems in the church today run deeper than external aesthetics.
@deadpoet4662
@deadpoet4662 2 жыл бұрын
This is so amazing, so many are the harvest but so few are the laborers. In our island we dont have much funds but we have now 3 communities. We dont get a mass every sunday but for a month or so our SSPX priest comes and offer Mass in our place. Hopefully in God's time we will have a priory in Cebu. We just keep on praying that someday a benefactor will offer a place for a priory. Cebu is a Cradle of Christianity and it will be symbolic to have a priory here.
@PraytheRosaryEveryDay
@PraytheRosaryEveryDay 2 жыл бұрын
Father McFarland, Andrew, this was GREAT! Thank you! Looking forward to Father Goldade, that should really be interesting.
@aaronbiard5405
@aaronbiard5405 2 жыл бұрын
I appreciate this professional production. It has been very informative.
@sueadauctus3306
@sueadauctus3306 2 жыл бұрын
I remember when Rome said sspx could hear confessions; year of mercy or whatever...so they were Catholic for a Year? God bless them. Thank you.
@andrea9264
@andrea9264 2 жыл бұрын
Did this allowance end after that year? Is it still on?
@SSPX
@SSPX 2 жыл бұрын
As of time of writing, it’s still on… in Christ, Fr Franks
@Sunflower-lx9gu
@Sunflower-lx9gu 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you for your comment. Much of this talk is above my head. However, I do have enough common sense to question that year of mercy, saying Sspx priests could hear confessions for one year! Huh?!
@thomasbuensuceso8546
@thomasbuensuceso8546 2 жыл бұрын
I am suspended by novus ordo authorities. I left a novus ordo congregation. Now I celebrate TLM staying at my home.
@SSPX
@SSPX 2 жыл бұрын
I’m sure the superiors the SSPX district where you live would be happy to be in touch with you, if that were ever of interest.
@thomasbuensuceso8546
@thomasbuensuceso8546 2 жыл бұрын
@@SSPX I am from Kerala India. I had contacted SSPX here. It has been more than three years. What I want is to live a traditional Carmelite life associated with SSPX.
@lilianfernandes1198
@lilianfernandes1198 2 жыл бұрын
The priests who severed from Archbishop Lefebvre obviously didn’t get it and lacked the gift of prudence and knowledge and so were lured by the false manipulative offer from the pope. Very sad indeed. I pray much for their eyes to be opened that we may be one as our Father in heaven intended from the beginning. I pray through Archbishop Lefebvre to continue protecting the one true church
@Cpripri85
@Cpripri85 6 ай бұрын
THANK YOU FR. I'VE BEEN TRYING TO GET THE CLARITY REGARDING THE DIFFERENCES. NOW I HAVE IT.
@nicolasjuandecardenas7921
@nicolasjuandecardenas7921 2 жыл бұрын
Very interesting and enlightening discourse. Never really thought about the implicit contradiction of the the other stance. Thank you.
@christopherplonka5948
@christopherplonka5948 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you Fr. McFarland for explaining this without being judgmental but staying with the principal. God bless you
@briandelaney9710
@briandelaney9710 2 жыл бұрын
I think he was being a bit arrogant about them
@DavidSewellStopSmokingHypnosis
@DavidSewellStopSmokingHypnosis 2 жыл бұрын
God Bless This Good Priest 👍🙏👍☺️
@GeneMatPlays
@GeneMatPlays 2 жыл бұрын
God bless SSPX
@LA44713
@LA44713 Жыл бұрын
Can you please bring SSPX to South Carolina
@SaorEire
@SaorEire 2 жыл бұрын
I am sympathetic to the sentiments here from the SSPX, but I think it would be better for the SSPX, FSSP, ICKSP, etc to work together for the good of the Church. This especially applies to the lay faithful. There is too much fighting amongst ourselves, Traditionalists can do much more good together. Ego needs to be set aside for the greater glory of God.
@Adam-fj9px
@Adam-fj9px Жыл бұрын
Exactly what I was going to say, on the whole I like the sspx but then so many people who attend their masses say fssp icksp etc are all liberal heretics and its honestly pathetic. We all want the same thing which is for the Latin mass to return, therefore wouldn't it be in everyone's best interests to work together instead of accusing everyone of being heretics
@melmckenna4599
@melmckenna4599 9 ай бұрын
One can not work with those groups if they accept the doctrinal changes of the vat 2 modernists
@michakoodziej8760
@michakoodziej8760 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you for proclaiming and keeping the true Catholic faith. I can’t agree with the statement said at the beginning that the Ecclesia Dei communities teach the traditional faith. They don’t, at least in my country. Some priests in FSSP are traditional but some of them are not. I’ve heard quite a lot of sermons from FSSP priests that were controversial at least and mostly shallow.. Nevertheless it’s good that they are here because they lead the souls to the tradition. Many of the faithful proceed to SSPX at some point seeing the inconsistency in the FSSP teaching. Of course it may be completely different in other countries.
@davidhartford6581
@davidhartford6581 2 жыл бұрын
How I pray to get the SSPX in the diocese of Portland Me! We are such a wasteland up here. Nearest FSSP parish is 140 miles away from me in NH. God bless all!
@redneckpride4ever
@redneckpride4ever 2 жыл бұрын
There's an SSPX mission in Gilford NH.
@yeshua1st
@yeshua1st 9 ай бұрын
I've been Catholic for 6 months. I've attended NO and TLM. I love TLM, I am yet to attend SSPX however wish to. Although I've walked into a big fat mess which is the Catholic church. God still lead me home and I thank Him. Please God help me stay the course and know the truth. I hope these videos about the SSPX will give me some clarity.
@mia795
@mia795 2 жыл бұрын
What a marvelous priest. It gives me hope. He explained the situation incredibly well.
@thomasbuensuceso8546
@thomasbuensuceso8546 2 жыл бұрын
In the movie 'A Hidden Life' Frank is advised by the parish priest to accept that war is right and still he can hold his faith in his heart. Here the priest priest asks him to compromise. Similar situation can be seen in many groups who say they are traditional.
@karinabrucker2297
@karinabrucker2297 2 жыл бұрын
This was the best presentation I have heard on the differences
@thecatholicman
@thecatholicman 2 жыл бұрын
Well presented and clear interview. Well reasoned.
@MrJking1962
@MrJking1962 2 жыл бұрын
I made the move from the FSSP to the SSPX when I discerned this difference of principle. They refused to provide me with a Conditional Confirmation and even advised me to obtain one from my NO parish.
@fidefidelis4460
@fidefidelis4460 2 жыл бұрын
What's the problem ? And why conditional confirmation ?
@deadpoet4662
@deadpoet4662 2 жыл бұрын
@Go Eagles when your not sure if your confirmation was done correctly. Specially if you found out even just 1 case when your diocese had used a different oil and not the correct olive oil for confirmation. You may seek a conditional confirmation.
@MrJking1962
@MrJking1962 2 жыл бұрын
@@deadpoet4662 In my case it was that I was received into the Church using my 1963 Methodist Baptismal Certificate. All witnesses are dead and there is some doubt. Before the Council it was common to conditionally Baptize Protestant converts for this reason.
@maryjulieharris7827
@maryjulieharris7827 2 жыл бұрын
We need SSPX to be more accessible to so so many of us. The closest to me is 150 miles one way. How can we help SSPX start more communities?
@nicolerobinson629
@nicolerobinson629 Жыл бұрын
Pray for priest, pray for many holy Catholic priest, pray many Catholic families, pray for many holy Catholic families.
@pmreynolds4547
@pmreynolds4547 Жыл бұрын
I live in central Massachussetts and it 2 hrs to anyone of them in the north east
@Thor-Orion
@Thor-Orion 6 ай бұрын
@@pmreynolds4547it’s an hour for me in central Jersey, but worth the drive.
@andrewroyals
@andrewroyals 2 жыл бұрын
Great Q&A at 12:46. “There’s a crisis in the Church; do priests in the Ecclesia Dei Groups see that?” “Seeing it is one thing. And your public reaction to it is another thing. If they’re seeing it, then they’re expressing a certain willingness to be quiet about it or to turn a blind eye to it so that they can continue to have their little traditional pocket and continue to do their traditional thing.”
@MrJking1962
@MrJking1962 2 жыл бұрын
The FSSP founders were scandalized by the prospect of having their “Catholic ID card” revoked by Rome. So they compromised on their principles to keep that card.
@danarose6314
@danarose6314 2 жыл бұрын
This is all very, very important to Jesus; very important!
@leroynicholaspacheco3854
@leroynicholaspacheco3854 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks this is very helpful.
@dasan9178
@dasan9178 2 жыл бұрын
One of my concerns about traditional groups bowing to the Vatican and agreeing to even a single Novus Ordo mass (on a regular basis, I assume) is the desecration of their sanctuaries, such as through Communion in the hand ceremonies. Because Hosts are so fragile, especially around the edges, Communion in the hand (a common practice with Novus Ordo masses) results in thousands of fragments being scattered throughout the sanctuary and beyond. Though this is by far not the only sacrilege perpetrated during Novus Ordo masses, it’s quite serious all on its own. What could be worse than hundreds of the Faithful trampling underfoot the Body, Blood, Soul and Divinity of Our Lord as they attend mass and participate in Holy Communion? How do we even begin to make reparation for the deliberate trampling the already far too abused body of Jesus? They can try to disallow Communion in the hand, but most Novus Ordo “Catholics” have become so Protestantized, they no longer know how to be truly Catholic. This includes not knowing who and what Communion really is, and failing to show proper reverence and respect as a result. Novus Ordo masses breed disrespect and disbelief, but then I suspect that’s the whole point. In short, you can’t allow even a single Novus Ordo mass without bringing some level of disrespect, if not outright desecration, to the sanctuary. I know because I was a Novus Ordo attending CINO (Catholic in Name Only) myself for over 20 years…until Jesus opened my eyes to the truth. It makes me very glad the SSPX not only exists but also refuses to back down. You know you’re doing something right when the world hates and reviles you for standing with Jesus, and the long-held Tradition, Dogma and Doctrine of His Church.
@debrasaints3809
@debrasaints3809 2 жыл бұрын
Amen!
@chris22capt
@chris22capt Жыл бұрын
In my understanding, even tho they celebrate the novus ordo, the faithful that attend the mass is them that longing for the tradition, so that should not be a problem for them to impose the ban on communion on hand within their parish. Not even a one modern faithful in their "right mind" will attend a mass in these traditional group, even when the mass is being offered in novus ordo rite. These traditional groups will try to make a novus ordo mass become more reverent more solemn in traditional term so it will be a big no for them the modernist who loves to hear piano or guitar or even drum during mass...
@dggj3696
@dggj3696 2 жыл бұрын
Excellent. Is it difficult to establish a mission chapel? The closest mission is 5 hours away.
@Nitnyline
@Nitnyline Жыл бұрын
I know of no FSSP priest that says the new mass. All of them that I know will not say it. To that point our current pastor is a refugee from the novus ordo and once he learned the Old Rite he came over to FSSP and will never ever say the new mass again. With that being said I would happily attend an SSPX Parrish and in my humble opinion Marcel Lefebvre is a saint and one day, God willing, he will be recognized as such by the universal church.
@helenamvu
@helenamvu 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you, Father and Andrew!
@debbiedouglas5516
@debbiedouglas5516 2 жыл бұрын
I love Fr. Philip Wolfe of the FSSP, whose sermons have been suppressed by the FSSP....let's pray for his conversion to the SSPX.
@briandelaney9710
@briandelaney9710 2 жыл бұрын
Conversion??? It’s the same Church
@juliocesarfabianosaboia7330
@juliocesarfabianosaboia7330 Жыл бұрын
"conversion", the SSPX is Catholic.
@edschoenstein1893
@edschoenstein1893 2 жыл бұрын
Some of those NO Seminaries refuse to allow devotion to Mary and other traditions that are the glue that have held the deposit of faith and church together…..
@JackVaulk
@JackVaulk 2 жыл бұрын
I had a question regarding novus ordo priests in the Society. My spiritual father is one of these, but there are members of the Society who say that such priests are invalid, and in my parish some laymen avoid mass if a novus ordo priest is giving mass that day. What is the Society's stance on this issue. It causes a lot of division.
@Puglia506
@Puglia506 2 жыл бұрын
God bless all of you for doing God's work. Vivo Christo Rey!
@margaret849
@margaret849 2 жыл бұрын
Yet the Blessed Mother warned "not to hold a council" to pope John twenty third at that time, through message to Sr. Lucia. Now saint. This warning is given at LaSallette also.
@juniorsuper2045
@juniorsuper2045 2 жыл бұрын
Very well explained… thanks God for it!!!
@Albert_OPt
@Albert_OPt 2 жыл бұрын
If IBP and FSSP priests want back to SSPX is it possible?;)
@TheRealTomLauda
@TheRealTomLauda 2 жыл бұрын
I suspect there will be soon some interesting discussions between ED communities and the SSPX. Clearly, they (the ED communities) tried the "compromised" way, and it failed. Will they eventually come to the right conclusions ? Thank you very much for this series, it's an outstanding work and i learned so much from it ! Deo Gratias !
@salvageproject3778
@salvageproject3778 2 жыл бұрын
I have been considering, seriously, moving to the SSPX; I have been attending the FSSP in recent years. This series has been the catalyst behind my thoughts, it is excellent! Question: what is the difference, if any, between the SSPX and SSPX-MC?
@josari7618
@josari7618 2 жыл бұрын
Very interesting your question (for an episode of these series?). As for me, the differences with “SSPX- MC” are: 1) the latter rejects all contact with the modernist roman authorities: this is not catholic, because the fact that they are modernists does not prevent them to emanate legitimate orders, like a canonical status if there is not any conditioning against the faith in it; 2) they consacrated Bishops but this time, unlike Mgr Lefebvre, without invoking any cause of justification, because nothing had changed in SSPX for that move (neither the doctrine, nor the health of the remaining Bishops).
@josef.r.5345
@josef.r.5345 2 жыл бұрын
Did Bishop Fellay cut a deal with Pope Benedict? (There is a picture of them shaking hands; Masonic in style.) Is this why the SSPX-MC formed?
@GABRIELLA3254
@GABRIELLA3254 2 жыл бұрын
@@josari7618 As far as I know, Msgr Williamson defends some unorthodox positions
@GtrudeY
@GtrudeY Жыл бұрын
Imagine, two generals fighting for the same king, fighting a common enemy. One general takes the hard line approach to how he will direct his troops. This general is rigid in his defense. He cannot imagine fighting any other way. The other General believes he can win the war by subtly infiltrating the enemy camp. Like a Trojan horse, he enters the gates of the oppositional camp, and takes the win. The E.D. communities are so important in keeping the traditional Latin Mass alive and available in areas where there is no SSPX. I personally do not care that they had to join with Rome in order to make access to the traditional Latin Mass available to me. I think these communities have a great deal of faith in their King, whom they are fighting for. By keeping in step with the mandates of Rome, they retain legitimacy. These E.D. communities make it possible for people to experience the Latin Mass, in many cases for the first time. These traditional parish communities are growing and thriving. This is a battle won. If enough Catholics support these traditional parishes while Novus Ordo parishes are dwindling, there is hope for change. I believe that should be the ultimate goal for all traditional Catholics. If the SSPX look upon these communities as disingenuous because they caved in to the pope’s conditions in order to keep the tradition alive, they are missing a critical point. By agreeing to certain conditions the E. D. bring this beautiful Mass to more and more of us.
@margaret849
@margaret849 2 жыл бұрын
Very well put
@TrueChristianityCatholic
@TrueChristianityCatholic 2 жыл бұрын
"Living Tradition" as AB-Used to day does mean constant changing of doctrine but you will find this exact phrase in Pre-Conciliar documents and writings. In these writings "Living Tradition" means that Tradition is not Dead and Buried but that it is "Living" in the sense that that SAME Ancient Tradition is being passed on through the "guardians of Tradition" the successors of the Apostles. So we must Re-Take that term and not concede it to the modernists.
@cslauer
@cslauer Жыл бұрын
This is a great dialogue. It was clear and respectful. I learned a lot. I do think that the quotes attributed to Father Berg (24:50ish mark) are missing some context. I think his claim is that the way in which these novel concepts are reconciled with tradition is to weigh the novelty against clear and authoritative teaching of the Church and to just ignore the novelty. Father Berg quote from the Remnant article: "We forget that there is the extraordinary Magisterium, but also the ordinary Magisterium by which all things are measured. There is a danger of forgetting the full span of the Magisterium and giving greater theological weight to what was is said at a Wednesday audience than to what has been stated dogmatically at a given Ecumenical Council simply because it took place more than 1,000 years ago."
@elizabethdarley8646
@elizabethdarley8646 2 жыл бұрын
We go to Holy Mass of the SSPX priests. We won't go to another society. We LOVE the SSPX! Praise God! We love God! Thank you, God, for Thy SSPX. Amen
@duaneadams5210
@duaneadams5210 2 жыл бұрын
This may be a bad analogy....I see the modernist church like a fine restaurant that changed ownership. They still serve great food (the Eucharist....although it's questionable), but now they serve it on dirty dishes and unwashed silverware. A flat Coke is still a valid Coke, but it's best poured down the drain.
@justintrefney1083
@justintrefney1083 2 жыл бұрын
I agree with Father that the FSSP is on 2 boat that are moving further apart, however I don't believe they are just standing there. They are actively pulling people from one boat to the other. I believe, and hope that when they do inevitably fall into the water they will swim to the boat of tradition.
@Monarchist94
@Monarchist94 Жыл бұрын
You know nothing about the FSSP. The FSSP criticized many of VCII. And they are saying that the Paul VI Mass is not 100% catholic.
@cedarparkwayfarm
@cedarparkwayfarm 2 жыл бұрын
We need an SSPX in Green Lake WI.
@jan04151
@jan04151 2 жыл бұрын
I will never take the host into my hands!
@matthewcorrigan9918
@matthewcorrigan9918 5 ай бұрын
Could you provide a source on the fssp concelebrating the novus ordo? I know that is a possibikity in the fiture but cant fjnd anywhere stating they already have in the past
@karenbrooks4189
@karenbrooks4189 2 жыл бұрын
Ahhhh now I understand ✝️
@scottgauley7207
@scottgauley7207 2 жыл бұрын
I go to an ICKSP parish and they are a lot different from FSSP. ICKSP has a very unique Benedictine spirituality, and especially about giving God glory through beauty. Someone once told me that if the TLM ever becomes the norm again in the Church FSSP would cease to exist, as their whole charism is just based around bringing back the TLM, but ICKSP would continue to exist due to their unique Benedictine spirituality. Also interestingly, we use the pre 1955 liturgical books, whereas SSPX is very servile to the 1962 missal only. That ironically makes ICKSP more liturgically traditional than SSPX.
@markhirsch2109
@markhirsch2109 2 жыл бұрын
They (ICSKSP) have permission from Rome to us the 1955 Liturgical books, SSPX does not.
@caneloalvarez1516
@caneloalvarez1516 2 жыл бұрын
I am currently in the process of joining the Fraternity of St Peter. The only reason I picked FSSP over ICKSP was because I didnt feel capable of learning the whole curriculum in French. Not to mention because of Covid, I can no longer travel to Europe to the seminary. Its so heartbreaking that I read how everyone thinks my future seminary is worthless.
@DaveS859
@DaveS859 2 жыл бұрын
Listen to the late Fr. Hesse discuss the principle of self defense before making such comments.
@GABRIELLA3254
@GABRIELLA3254 2 жыл бұрын
@@DaveS859 I love Father Hesse, I wish he was still alive, but at least I think he is in Heaven by now
@robinsullivan3141
@robinsullivan3141 Жыл бұрын
Thank you for clarifying. ICKSP is a God send 🙏🏻
@marlelarmarlelar9547
@marlelarmarlelar9547 2 жыл бұрын
It would really benefit people if you would post the Sunday sermon.
@faustinaobaro4650
@faustinaobaro4650 2 жыл бұрын
As long as they aren't teaching the compromise, is it dangerous for lay people to attend? Am I meant to not attend Mass until I have SSPX available near me? Even if there are no abuses at that Mass, and what they are teaching is in line with tradition?
@SSPX
@SSPX 2 жыл бұрын
This video deliberately doesn’t discuss the practicalities of Mass attendance, since that was the topic of a different video: kzfaq.info/get/bejne/os1zqZiD1M7ZYmg.html
@faustinaobaro4650
@faustinaobaro4650 2 жыл бұрын
@@SSPX thanks
@linasbar6951
@linasbar6951 2 жыл бұрын
Did he say that the teaching of no salvation outside the Church is not valid? i kept replaying it, but not sure i understood his point. (it was around the five min mark)
@feaokautai7354
@feaokautai7354 2 жыл бұрын
Brilliant unchangeable of faith!
@Marcia-fw3wz
@Marcia-fw3wz Жыл бұрын
I have been in an FSSP parish for three years, and what this priest is saying doesn't sound like my own experiences with the Fraternity or their teaching. Our priests are very clear that they are only to celebrate the Traditional Mass, and I have never seen or heard of any "novelties". I do try to have an open mind, but the nearest SSPX chapel is in another city 60 mi from here, so I can't have an opinion based on experience. And going back to an NO parish is unthinkable.
@christineholmberg7431
@christineholmberg7431 2 жыл бұрын
What about the faithful? Can we participate in ecclesia dei Masses or would that still be compromising traditional principles? Laity are not official members of the sspx or fssp. Does participation imply agreement with all principles???
@j.f.french3336
@j.f.french3336 2 жыл бұрын
For those trying to return fully to tradition the best WE CAN do may just be in a church where the diocese allows Traditional Latin Mass
@mariahendrickson1443
@mariahendrickson1443 Жыл бұрын
I would like to know your status in 2022, in the Church, after the August consistory..
@a.zavala2355
@a.zavala2355 2 жыл бұрын
Please pray for our 2 priest in hospital with Covid & the one left to say all Masses & administer the Sacraments. He was not allowed to visit the 2 sick priests. They are priests of an independent chapel.
@alamedavigilante
@alamedavigilante 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you. I did not expect a response to my comment. I am currently taking a Zoom course on the documents of Vatican 2 given by the Archdiocese of SF. I grew up attending Catholic school 1961-1973 but I never actually read the council documents before now. I am trying to understand both points of view. Of course I can watch SSPX liturgy online. But it seems to be your position that Catholics should stop going to Mass anywhere else completely? Not only is that an extreme request, what about all the other sacraments?
@SSPX
@SSPX 2 жыл бұрын
Dear Vigilante, This is the episode where Fr. Robinson treated Mass attendance: kzfaq.info/get/bejne/os1zqZiD1M7ZYmg.html In Christ, Fr. P. Franks
@melmckenna4599
@melmckenna4599 9 ай бұрын
If you can get your hands on some. of Michael Davies books it would be good
@mikebuckley46
@mikebuckley46 2 жыл бұрын
the question is is where does the trail of apostolic succession lead, who is a legitimately ordained priest, who actually administers the sacraments, actually by gods grace.
@ElkArrow
@ElkArrow 2 жыл бұрын
Until the SSPX begins to build new chapels in areas where Catholics attend FSSP masses, the vast majority of those people are going to continue to attend the FSSP masses. Why won't the SSPX expand?
@TheRockstar1962
@TheRockstar1962 2 жыл бұрын
See Fssp charter. It’s the opposite. Fssp was chartered to only be where Sspx already was. Period. AND you should go as far as needed for Mass, even if monthly. Fssp is going away anyway. It’s tough to accommodate apostate Rome.
@PraytheRosaryEveryDay
@PraytheRosaryEveryDay 2 жыл бұрын
Seriously? The SSPX has never stopped expanding. We have priests who spend several hours a week travelling by plane, by car, all over, to bring the Holy Mass and Sacraments to far-flung places. I have seen young priests become old within a few short years because of how thin they are stretched. I've known our priests to travel hours to be at someone's dying bedside because they couldn't get a NO priest to come, bc of the distance, or the hour, or Covid. Archbishop Lefebvre told us he envisioned the faithful moving to Mass centers, like St. Mary's and others, so that their families could live close to Mass and other trad families. In my opinion, seeing the wear on the priests, (and btw, how many do you think there even are?) the SSPX has expanded too quickly. Pray for more vocations.
@ElkArrow
@ElkArrow 2 жыл бұрын
@@TheRockstar1962 I don't agree with your statement that I should go as far as necessary to attend an SSPX mass. It's the duty of the Church to bring the Sacraments to the people. While it may be admirable for a person to travel 4 hours to attend mass, it's not obligatory, and certainly cannot be expected. Further, if the FSSP was established to set up chapels in areas where the SSPX was already established, why is there an FSSP chapel in my area but no SSPX chapel? Finally, nobody's addressed my question about why the SSPX isn't building new chapels in areas where there are none
@SSPX
@SSPX 2 жыл бұрын
Dear Beagle, It may be the duty of the Church to bring sacraments to the people, but the SSPX is not and has never claimed to be The Catholic Church. We are one congregation which, by the grace and providence of God, preserves Tradition intact in the current crisis. Stephen Dennis gave part of the answer why we are not "expansionist" in the way you would like to see. We have finite resources: there are not an infinite number of SSPX priests in the USA, for example. Unlike the priests of most of the Ecclesia Dei communities, most of us teach in schools all week. Then we drive or fly for hours at the weekend before coming back to another working week in school. Human beings can overextend and burnout. This is true for priests as well. And a priest who is exhausted and run down is long-term less likely to be able to help souls. He could get sick. And if he feels that his superiors didn’t protect him and pushed him to burn out, he could even be at risk of leaving the congregation or giving up his priesthood. To start a chapel in an area would need a big enough group of faithful requesting the presence of an SSPX priest. After that, the SSPX superiors would need to calculate, can we prudently answer this request at this time, or is it too much for the priests we currently have to handle, given long-term care for the priests themselves. The world needs priests, the SSPX needs priests: pray for vocations, and young men, please be generous! Also, for those seeking to really participate in all the means to Catholic life that the SSPX has to offer, the ideal (and I don’t say it is possible/practical for each) would be to move near to an SSPX priory- this gives access to daily Mass, divine office, Benediction, the school, parish catechism, social and charitable events, etc. Be assured of my prayers! In Christ, Fr Franks
@ElkArrow
@ElkArrow 2 жыл бұрын
@@SSPX Fr. Franks - When every other group has lost the faith or otherwise teaches herecy, as a practical matter the SSPX becomes the Church by default, whether it claims to be or not.
@elizabethdarley8646
@elizabethdarley8646 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you, for this, Andrew and Father. Do you think that the traditional Latin Mass non-SSPX groups would have been founded at all if it were not for the SSPX being founded in 1970?
@elizabethdarley8646
@elizabethdarley8646 2 жыл бұрын
We are members of the great SSPX and we praise God for putting us there. We will never go to any other Mass. "Behold I send you as sheep in the midst of wolves. Be ye therefore wise as serpents and simple as doves." Saint Matthew 10:16 Douay Rheims Bible
@mag-rat4060
@mag-rat4060 Жыл бұрын
FSSP was founded to do away with the SSPX.. Anything founded on this pretense is not from God..
@melmckenna4599
@melmckenna4599 9 ай бұрын
I think they were set up in direct opposition to what Archbishop lefebvre was doing
@barrysaunders1463
@barrysaunders1463 Жыл бұрын
Fr. Hesse has researched this subject in hos videos and he has said the 1962 missel is valid and ok to use but it is not the best. It is of the minimum that he has approved of, I personally like the Saint Pius V missel, itvis more valid than newer ones, watch videos from fr. Hesse to determine which missel is best
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