Critiquing my Viewers Miniatures (A LOT of Beginner Advice!)
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Күн бұрынI have been asking my Discord Members to send me one picture of their finished Miniatures, so I could give them Feedback. The result is a nice cross-section of different levels and styles. Let me know what you think about the minis, the type of video and the feedback given! Hopefully you can learn something for your own miniature painting as well!
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0:00 Intro and Memes
1:34 Beginner Advice
5:52 Using Contrast Paints the Right Way
8:25 Volumetric Highlighting
9:13 The Problem with Washes
10:26 Intermediates Advice
16:41 How to Work with Red
18:54 Nice Volumetric Highlights
20:43 Contrast
24:06 Fur
27:42 Why Washes don't Work for Faces
34:01 Make Weapons More Interesting!
39:06 Advanced Advice
40:51 Painting Atmosphere
44:17 Advanced Edge Highlights
52:42 About Style
54:58 Contrast? Max!
55:45 The Fear of Messing Up!
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@gabrielbradley6214 2 жыл бұрын
Why the fuck would anyone watch this
@silence2472 2 жыл бұрын
Why the fuck would anyone go out of their way to state something so useless
@epiccgamner3567 2 жыл бұрын
@Griffin Does Why the fuck would anyone go out to state something so useless about someone stating something useless
@AxerionxX 2 жыл бұрын
@@epiccgamner3567 why the fuck would anyone go out to state something so useless about someone stating something useless about someone stating something useless
@chadcaughmann7898 2 жыл бұрын
Why would anyone sit through an art class critique session? Hopefully to learn and improve.
@BigVillyStyle 2 жыл бұрын
Hahahaha I love this shit
@NecroMancer84 3 жыл бұрын
Shout out to everyone who submitted pics, especially the new painters! It takes guts to do that. Remember to take the critiques seriously but NOT personally
@DerAua 3 жыл бұрын
What they did helps everyone.
@nickjohnson2570 2 жыл бұрын
@@DerAua oh for sure!! I might have the balls to show my poor painting attempts to people now.
@SpaghettyLuvsU Жыл бұрын
@Nice Brain It's the difference between _knowing_ that fact and _feeling_ it. We aren't really mentally wired for anonymity in that way. Having a piece critiqued in front of your peers can be extremely uncomfortable, like you've been stripped naked and everyone is poking and examining your every inch. While the artists in this case do have the separation of the Internet to insulate them somewhat, our ape brains can only conceptualize that intellectually; it still _feels_ like you're being hauled in front of the class to be peeled and scrutinized like a dissected frog.
@poggestfrog Жыл бұрын
@@nicebrain6962 it's scary to post something that took you potentially 10 or 20 hours to make online knowing someone will critique your paint job and point out all your mistakes.
@wtfpieisgood 3 жыл бұрын
The demonstrations you did in photoshop were immensely helpful.
@andrewpackham8236 3 жыл бұрын
Came down here to say the same thing, so useful!
@Randytravis247 3 жыл бұрын
Yeah I’ve not seen anyone else do this, so helpful to visually see what he is explaining, great video
@christopherlake1648 3 жыл бұрын
Ditto!
@LennieFogelberg 3 жыл бұрын
ye big time!!!
@garlottos 3 жыл бұрын
Agreed 100% It's a great teaching aid, I know exactly what he's trying to say without having to be familiar with the terms
@notnubilous3804 3 жыл бұрын
It's all fun and games until you have to remove knuckle mold lines from 120 Boyz
@dawnofwarspacemarine 3 жыл бұрын
Just started collecting orks and I felt this to my core.
@daxidol1447 3 жыл бұрын
@@dawnofwarspacemarine Just tell people that your Orks really believe that they have lines over their knuckles, problem solved. :^)
@Ravared 3 жыл бұрын
@@daxidol1447 that's so meta 200IQ xD
@Chris-jl6vp 3 жыл бұрын
Uh-oh.
@hulejul9748 3 жыл бұрын
or 10000000 necrons :D
@joetapson9583 3 жыл бұрын
6:27 Me: Wow that's a nice paintjob Trovarion: Disgusting Me: Disgusting
@trovarion 3 жыл бұрын
:D
@devoiceiddee7459 3 жыл бұрын
Omg that looks tasty Artist Ramsay: It's raw Me: Raw
@grone1778 3 жыл бұрын
I really liked it as well ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
@Sugar-Foot 3 жыл бұрын
god of chromatic dragons: exists Trovarion: "too chromatic!" god of chromatic dragons: awww :(
@EnkilTheForgottenone 2 жыл бұрын
I thought that too. Don't use too many chromatics... on Tiamat Godess of Chromatic Dragons.
@JulieanGalak 2 жыл бұрын
Came here to say this. I get the critique, but Tiamat is supposed to have 5 heads of five different colors. Those, specific, colors...
@iremainteague5653 2 жыл бұрын
Lol
@power_SERG 3 жыл бұрын
I'm currently a quarter way in and this is intimidating to even watch, but at the same time it's probably the healthiest thing I've ever watched when it comes to the hobby. We need more of this. Thank you.
@rileighjackson8746 Жыл бұрын
I know its not very realistic, but I actually really like the matte vampire at 6:27!
@trovarion 3 жыл бұрын
Don't forget to leave a like! If this video gets to 15.000 likes I will make a video where everyone can submit an entry and I will be critiquing every. single. one. You might have to share this with your friends, I am afraid otherwise we wont make it!
@acidcoen 3 жыл бұрын
You definetly got a like from me. I think it's brilliant what you're doing. I've been painting for about a year now but there's not a single person in my life I could talk to about it, and you don't even know how I'd like to exchange ideas with someone and get any advice.
@ethanjungbauer1554 3 жыл бұрын
You're a madman
@trovarion 3 жыл бұрын
@@ethanjungbauer1554 true story!
@onedollarminiatures. 3 жыл бұрын
even wips, if so i got a couple to say the least lol...
@trovarion 3 жыл бұрын
@@onedollarminiatures. definitely no WIPs
@aaronrod1988 3 жыл бұрын
This video is amazing. It really goes to show the difference between what an amateur (myself) sees in a miniature and what a way more experienced person sees. There were several models where I thought "hey that looks pretty dang good!" and once you started explaining the criticisms I was actually able to pick it out with my own eyes and understand more of what was going on during the painting process. You see things that I would have never picked up on. Great video, I learned a lot!
@enveritas4948 3 жыл бұрын
The effort you went to showing your take in photoshop is really helpful. You could do that forever and I'd watch every video.
@dawnofwarspacemarine 3 жыл бұрын
Videos like these are beyond helpful when just starting out as a painter. Being able to see your own mistakes in other peoples paint jobs, then corrected by someone who has such a wealth of painting knowledge is so awesome. Thank you for everything you do, Trovarion your content is incredible.
@trevorhill5560 2 жыл бұрын
When I started painting minis two years ago I was lucky to find trovarion. Best teacher out there. I have backed him on patreon ever since. A true professional 👏 👏 👏
@sophovot5079 3 жыл бұрын
you should do side by side/before and after pictures of your photoshopped versions and the original pictures, just to really see the impact
@jimphillips6532 3 жыл бұрын
The photoshop stuff is so helpful !
@Dearion89 3 жыл бұрын
39:35 That is such a great paint job, wow!
@WOLFZLLA 2 жыл бұрын
Agreed, I think it's only one, where Trovarion's highlights were actually ruining it.
@01BSBH Жыл бұрын
Anyone know if the person has any socials? Would love to take a look at method and paint recipe for my necrons!
@Sabamonster Жыл бұрын
The moment you started talking about how the next section would be different because it's a bit pretentious to say what is right or wrong based on creative artistic choices, I subbed. You're not only a legend of a painter, but you're a good human; with a lot of perspective. Not just about painting but life in general, that much is clear.
@AnAfinityForKarma 2 жыл бұрын
The lighting on your face is a really smart touch to this video, we're constantly being reminded of how lighting affects surfaces. Kudos ;)
@matthinton19 3 жыл бұрын
Man I wish id found this channel in time to submit a picture, the chance to get advice from somebody at this level is invaluable. Plenty of beginner friendly advice for me
@HeyImTasso 3 жыл бұрын
Damn, nice to see the work you've put into this. Amazing to see the "tips and changes" directly applied via Photoshop.
@matejgaba5135 3 жыл бұрын
Thumbs up for the photoshop examples! :)
@carnajom8831 3 жыл бұрын
@Tasso Now I need to know how long you've been painting for...
@HeyImTasso 3 жыл бұрын
@@carnajom8831 Started watching videos in August, then bought my first minis & paints and dove into the hobby November 17th, 2020. Kept all my receipts to know how many Benjamins I'm spending on this "trash" ;D
@carnajom8831 3 жыл бұрын
@@HeyImTasso That's amazing. What have I been doing with my time!!!! Also, I've chucked away all my receipts for same reason.
@Haven_games 3 жыл бұрын
This was amazing! The photoshop demonstrations on the models themselves took the advice to the next level. It's amazing because you can hear the advice, but seeing how such small adjustments can improve the results is so encouraging! Thanks for doing this.
@njabruzzo 3 жыл бұрын
This was great; your use of Photoshop to explain your points is exceptionally helpful. I'd like to see hear more about how to paint Tiamat (five-headed chromatic dragon); using multiple (in this case five different colors - and pulling them together in a compelling way. Thanks for the video!
@TheAzSharpe 3 жыл бұрын
I could be wrong, but my understanding of colours would mean you would need a brown/black body to draw all the colours in to. Not saying it's impossible, but the more colours to put together the harder to do it smoothly. I could be wrong though, it's happened before
@KoraRubin 3 жыл бұрын
I think it's kind of funny how much your helpful suggestions sound like the advice I heard in the aquarell class I took. 1) Never use the pur colours you bought. Always mix. 2) Shadows and highlights are a different colour than your base. 3) look out for your focus point. What's your composition? 4) where does the light come from and what does it touch. I like that minis and pictures are from a working perspective so similar. I think beginner's could learn also a lot from looking at other art. Some big portraits in oil for example. I know, I picked up a lot from going to a museum. Even Bob Ross thought me a thing or two. Thanks for the video. I think, I will try something with clothe next. You sparked some ideas in my brain. 😊
@trauts2003 3 жыл бұрын
This was BRUTAL..... but nobody can feel bad if they are all bad. This was no nonsense criticism and probably one of the most helpful videos about painting i have ever seen. Brilliant. 10/10 will watch again.
@AkibaAvenue 3 жыл бұрын
I think that we should have the information about their AGE and also since how long they have been painting. Being Honnest isn't bad at all but it can also hurting some painter who maybe just started in this universe. From adult position i think is faire but from youngster i think it's a little bit harsh. My opinion for sure.
@piesandhiking4943 3 жыл бұрын
I wouldn't say any of this was brutal. It's just quality feedback with a straightforward delivery.
@manga3040 3 жыл бұрын
If this was "brutal" life is going to be really hard for you.
@thenevergrown5009 3 жыл бұрын
@@AkibaAvenue Yeaah, i mean, he gave nice basic tips to apparently beginner paintjobs, and great advanced tips for clearly higher end painters, so i think everything is in line here.
@AkibaAvenue 3 жыл бұрын
@@thenevergrown5009 Sure all his advices are for super helpful. Nothing wrong.
@thomasmontgomery4597 3 жыл бұрын
Nothing new to say - everyone already commented on how useful the vid was - I thought it great, that you remained civilized and remained professionell the whole way through - respect for you.
@fullcirclenerd1774 3 жыл бұрын
This is one of the most insightful and meaningful miniature painting ‘tutorials’ I have personally seen. It’s FULL of great advice and tips for all levels. Big congrats to everyone who submitted figures.
@dl66662 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks for including mine! Really appreciate the feedback :)
@paulhumphries7246 3 жыл бұрын
I absolutely love your advice - the effort you put in, how quickly you improve the look of the models and how you are calm and generous with your technique feedback. What an absolute legend you are.
@marmite_popsicle 3 жыл бұрын
Hey I followed your advice from last week, and do have to say that it worked wonders. Changing between projects and different paint styles really motivated me to paint more. Thanks!
@mackthebrush 3 жыл бұрын
I love how good a reference this video is for skin tone with a warm light source one side and cold one the other
@Karina-Loves-Andreas 2 жыл бұрын
I enjoyed watching these! If anyone who submitted reads this...ALL the submissions were MUCH BETTER than average, and several were really exceptionally good for an amateur! I hope they all appreciated & got some value from the critiques, I know I did! We all have room to learn & improve, and Trovarian is a GREAT TEACHER!💥❤💥
@bluefangs867 3 жыл бұрын
Great advices ! It's nice to see you have an advice for any painting lvl people are on. Look forward to the next one!
@the_musing_kravist 3 жыл бұрын
One of the best videos you’ve shot. You really show how much thought goes into each model.
@CudaFlyTying Жыл бұрын
Thanks to all that submitted and the review of each model. I am addicted to watching painting videos on KZfaq and despite the thousands I have watched I learned more about painting from this one vid than the others combined. I have been painting for fun for years and leant things from the beginners submissions. Well done to the beginner folks, it takes a lot to put yourself out there for feedback however by doing this your painting will improve 10 fold. Well done everyone and sincere thanks
@gggfx4144 3 жыл бұрын
There were some remarkable paint jobs in there and lots of good tips; the Photoshop segments really helped too. For me it was fascinating seeing you just talk through the very advanced painters, highlighting their stylistic choices vs. your preference, it helped me appreciate the models even more and also understand better what details you see as standing out most
@jimphillips6532 3 жыл бұрын
Great video! Thanks for the feedback!! Yes the deep creases on the face were a pain. Everyone's feedback was mega helpful
@gomezzara_art 3 жыл бұрын
Marvelous video as always Uncle Trov! :D
@grishakaleesh4207 3 жыл бұрын
I've only been watching for maybe half a minute and I'm already enjoying it. I'm adding this to my watch list!
@jimmyjamwhambam 3 жыл бұрын
The way you actually show how to improve rather than just explain is amazing. The blood angel shield was incredible after you quickly added shadows. Thank you!
@MrDavs1985 3 жыл бұрын
Possibly the most helpful video ever
@crabdoesnothing8213 3 жыл бұрын
Love the honest feedback.
@Deagorsarrh 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks man! This video is pure gold.
@alexwalker4075 3 жыл бұрын
Big up Christoph for absolute gold advice throughout.
@Kerberoh 3 жыл бұрын
Your videos and advices deserve as much praise as your miniatures :)
@podwick7222 3 жыл бұрын
Really great information, thanks for making this video!
@baitbait65 3 жыл бұрын
Awesome. Thanks! Comments for the algorithm!
@tombrand236 3 жыл бұрын
Really enjoyed your honest feedback here
@sergeyzaika3320 3 жыл бұрын
That one is the most useful video about painting miniatures I saw in 1 year
@libertyprime2013 Ай бұрын
This is helpful, I see some of what I do in these videos. Thanks for those who submitted them
@protanomania7284 3 жыл бұрын
You are constantly making the best miniature painting content on the platform.
@1AngelAlita 2 жыл бұрын
I love critiquing videos, they're very informative and helpful.
@RavenMinis 3 жыл бұрын
Your level of criticism is great. It's incredibly constructive and you don't sugar coat things, would love to submit a model I'm submitting for a local paint competition
@Taladrane 3 жыл бұрын
These critiques are super helpful. I'm glad you give real criticism, like an art teacher.
@returntofleet 3 жыл бұрын
Great video! Loads of tips, thanks! :D
@DaBozinator 2 жыл бұрын
Very informative video. Just started mini painting in recent weeks and this has been very helpful. Thank you.
@irondude71 3 жыл бұрын
I have learned SO much from this video. Watching you critique paint jobs that I find amazing has really been helpful :)
@rogerbartlett2313 Жыл бұрын
This is a great video. I can really relate to some of the issues and comments - it’s often hard to self critique and your comments provide some great points on what to look out for and improve upon. This is a video, that for me, is probably worth coming back to every 6 months or so!
@crazyd3m0n666 2 жыл бұрын
This was so helpful! I improved massively after watching this video. With all the explanatins and the photoshop moments. I hope you make more of these videos.
@BombatGeneral Жыл бұрын
Great models all and a helpful video of critique. Happy modelling!
@crille626 3 жыл бұрын
The help you do on PS is phenominal, thank you!
@AdnanCucak 3 жыл бұрын
Learning a lot from this video, thanks so much!
@anthonyunwin2081 2 жыл бұрын
More amazing content, keep them coming 👍👍👍
@ghostoflazlo 3 жыл бұрын
Thank you for another great video This was so insightful and I learned so much so thank you for being so honest with your followers and patreons And everything presented in a 'eavy European accent is just the cherry on top 🍒
@ernestgraves4401 2 жыл бұрын
Great video! We want more! Thank you
@NoradNoxtus Жыл бұрын
My god, so much good advice. Especially the PS sections!
@Xopie96 3 жыл бұрын
You gave some great advice in this video. I was worreid by people in the comments saying it's brutal, but at no point are you mean or disparaging. Sometimes people seem to forget that being a goodteacher/critic means being possitive and supportive so I'm glad you aren't just ruthless for the sake of seeming superior
@jwood314 3 жыл бұрын
This was fantastic, thank you!
@MassimoCristofolini 3 жыл бұрын
Great video! Now I will rank my progress based on this video, applying the hints you gave step by step
@amphibic_boi 2 жыл бұрын
Whoever did the Overlord: You rock my guy
@duncancumming5285 3 жыл бұрын
this is an absolutely magnificent video, thank you! The photoshop parts are amazingly helpful. Your direct advice and polite criticism is also superb.
@rayb241 2 жыл бұрын
This is an amazingly helpful video.
@manga3040 3 жыл бұрын
The photoshop adjustments you made we super helpful! Really drive home what you were saying each time you made those adjustments.
@kenholmes 3 жыл бұрын
Very informative and helpful - amazing as always.
@finlayhazlitt9411 3 жыл бұрын
Its so helpful being shown what the changes you suggest do in real time. Particularly with more extreme gradients, which is something I struggle with myself!
@crips2668 3 жыл бұрын
That was so detailed and damn helpful! Thank you so much. Please keep those kind of videos coming. You´re the man!
@halfpastzen 3 жыл бұрын
Another great video, your content /critique has been molding itself into a mental handbook for me.
@jamesschmames6416 2 жыл бұрын
I am very impressed by the feedback. And the illustrations of what he was describing was invaluable. It also shows that the host is a true artist and not just a miniatures painter. I figure he could probably do a decent job on the Sistine chapel
@Humatra 3 жыл бұрын
I thought it was going to be hilarious ripping on awful paint jobs. You understand painting from the bottom up and can relate and articulate the most useful information across the entire spectrum. Awesome, and thank you for the video.
@grandpasguitars1098 2 жыл бұрын
Lol honesty is the dopest form of currency. Learning alot from the critique and demonstrations, thanks!
@jpmegr1715 3 жыл бұрын
A MasterClass in miniature painting and art concepts for free. Thanks Trovarion for this video. Very cool! One of your most unique brilliant skills is your ability to analyze and provide useful , honest, direct feedback. Great learning experience. I don’t know if everyone realizes that Trovarion is a multiple Golden Demon winner. None of the feedback he is providing is meant with any negativity. He just has an observant eye and a teacher’s manner of giving information to use for improvement. Thumbs up for everyone who submitted their work for review (like homework) and kudos to Trovarion for also honestly reviewing and giving solid advice
@thesonofvader 2 ай бұрын
This is a video from awhile ago and I’m not sure you will see this comment but this is my favorite miniature painting video of all time. I don’t interact with others who paint so the feedback is invaluable to me and listening to your reviews of these minis will really accelerate my progress. Thank you!
@johangrove7474 3 жыл бұрын
Super helpful format
@DryerFryer 3 жыл бұрын
Loved this
@Seraphim2611 3 жыл бұрын
Holy moly that was good
@bicskeiz 3 жыл бұрын
Very useful and honest feedbacks!
@ningaubleotse171 3 жыл бұрын
Very very helpful video. Thanks!
@azrielslytherin2604 3 жыл бұрын
That dragon is a miniature of the Dragon Queen Tiamat in Dungeons and Dragons, she literally looks like that.
@PureCellx 3 жыл бұрын
Shes the queen of chromatic dragons its kinda the point, I painted my own tiamat though and I agree the white and black need to not start as pure colours
@azrielslytherin2604 3 жыл бұрын
@@PureCellx fair enough hoenstly, black and white don't need to be the pure colour, I find that a very light blue can often be a great base of white.
@igorbodnar9431 2 жыл бұрын
Great video! So helpful
@daniel_subramaniam 3 жыл бұрын
Awesome video. I learned a lot. Thank you
@TheMathieuJonathan 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the video! You using the program where you take a photo of the mini and adjust the colors is so helpful, thanks!
@gizzmoe8739 3 жыл бұрын
Fun to watch, great tips as well. Got yourself an upvote!
@Seven_Swell 3 жыл бұрын
Honestly this is one of the most helpful videos I've seen in years. It felt like every model you commented on was an "aha" moment for me lol.
@peterlageri4177 3 жыл бұрын
The photoshop demostrations makes it so much easier to understand what you would like to see changed. Never stop doing that. It is very valuable.
@charleyedwards2121 3 жыл бұрын
when you started painting the images it became perfectly clear how i can improve!! thank you! this was actually full of useful info - subbed
@Solcoyote 3 жыл бұрын
Please do more of these. I learned so much.
@OmegaDestroyer99 3 жыл бұрын
Thank you! This was very educational! I hope you make more videos like this.
@imcg 2 жыл бұрын
Epic video, first video I've seen of yours. Impressive, you're clearly an expert in the field, can't wait to go through your others.
@LeopoldZ 3 жыл бұрын
this umber is RAW! But jokes aside, this is a really nice video !
@Chaotenfreak 2 жыл бұрын
It's awesome to have an austrian painter here on KZfaq! 😁
@mikeparker9812 3 жыл бұрын
I really enjoyed this and learned loads. I'd love to see more videos like this.
@benwooding1311 3 жыл бұрын
This is an extremely informative and effective teaching video. Great concept, brilliant execution.
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