Everyone has their favorite method of calculating cross products. Today I go over the way I was taught, and then a more formal way of doing cross products by using the levi civita tensor.
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@seacaptain725 жыл бұрын
I'm coming to the end of undergrad physics. We got thrown to the fire here in QM3 and he just pushed this on us like we're supposed to know what's up. I have watched literally hundreds of physics videos over my education here, and this is the best one. There are no clear resources on this explained like you did it. I can't stress enough how much I appreciate this video. Thank you so much.
@Tevso. Жыл бұрын
Where did you come from after all these years? I'm in the last years of undergraduate physics now, I'm very undecided about what to do. :(
@seacaptain72 Жыл бұрын
@@Tevso. I ended up taking and passing the FE for electrical and computer engineering, getting a job in RF engineering as an applications engineer, then went to R&D, and now I'm a design engineer. I had a clear vision for what I wanted long-run, then just set benchmarks I knew I'd have to attain. Once that was done, I had a map, and I just pushed as hard as I could toward the benchmarks. A lot of my friends after college got kind of, lame jobs, or took the first thing that came up and stayed there. There's nothing wrong with that. But they aren't exactly happy people now. I'd just say, set a big goal for what you want from your life, then set smaller, intermediate goals that will help you get there, and go for those. It's common to be indecisive about the future, but don't let that indecisiveness paralyze you.
@Tevso. Жыл бұрын
@@seacaptain72 I will consider your suggestions. Thank you very much for your reply.
@seacaptain72 Жыл бұрын
@@Tevso. Good luck out there
@nablaphysics Жыл бұрын
We learned about it in math methods for physics. It's in Boas's undergrad math methods for physical sciences exactly the way Andrew explains in the video (Chapter 10 pages 508-511). Figured it would be pretty standard for most undergrad physics curriculums since its used so frequently. I guess It shows how much professors can vary. It also came up in QM2 when introduced to 3D quantum mechanics (Chapter 4 Griffith's if thats what you used). Also, whats QM3? Is it like a bridge to graduate quantum? Does it still stay in the realm of most undergraduate quantum textbooks?
@theflaggeddragon94725 жыл бұрын
The cross product is one of those things you learn in high school and don't really question it, but the concept is quite deep, related to representation theory and Clifford algebras. I remember seeing the determinant way of calculating and thinking "WTF how does that even work?". My teacher told us it was just a "notational trick" (I hate that phrase), but I knew that the reason was deeper. 3Blue1Brown had a video proving the determinant method and giving some intuition, but I wasn't satisfied since it didn't easily generalize or give me the deeper "why" picture. Now that I'm studying Lie groups and Lie algebras, seeing the quaternions, cross product, and the determinant are all related by the normed division algebras, Clifford algebras, and even Hopf fibration and deeper math concepts, my mind is blown, and I feel rewarded for all these years I was deprived of that knowledge. There are other "notational tricks" with the curl and divergence being represented as "dot" and "cross" products with the del operator, which is clearly absurd. The reasoning is also very interesting, and related to the exterior derivative operator studied in differential geometry.
@MrLethalShots5 жыл бұрын
Damn, I didn't see the cross product 'til college.
@benjamincolson5 жыл бұрын
Yes! The cross product is definitely the coolest thing they teach in high school, just without all the cool stuff.
@7rgrov1985 жыл бұрын
@@benjamincolson i found the application of ordinary differential equations the coolest from my high school years
@halilibrahimcetin94484 жыл бұрын
I share same emotions with you.I am a physics undergrad stud but I am going to crazy because physics professor know nothing about the real picture I think. They say always it is a definition and we simplify it by using notational tricks.DAMN! I don't believe them . Please show me a way to learn what things lie behind of these things.
@Diaming7874 жыл бұрын
That is very interesting insight. Now I'm tempted to pick up on abstract algebra about all these structures.
@jososa57174 ай бұрын
After all these years, still the best video on the rel. between Levi-Civita symbol and cross product
@AndrewDotsonvideos4 ай бұрын
🙌🏻🙌🏻
@chrisallen95095 жыл бұрын
I saw how hard the math looked and thought there was no way I would follow, but that was surprisingly straightforward
@gregcoyle95585 жыл бұрын
I was struggling over a textbook presentation of this - crystal clear, here. Thanks!
@arjuntandon10004 жыл бұрын
Thanks fellow NM bruh. You basically showed me the key thing I was missing in incompressible fluids and now I understand an entire semester (like actually understand, not just understand for the grade).
@sandrocaballero90274 жыл бұрын
I am currently taking Analytical Mechanics, and do to my car not starting I missed the lecture that cover this method. I was confused trying to understand it, but watching this helped me get caught up. It makes much more sense.
@ElliLovett5 жыл бұрын
i like how you always call your viewers smart before starting your videos ... it is very motivating ^^ .. I also like how you test it for one coordinate ' ok see it works!' ...and my brain goes back to the time we had to proof things like that, because my physicist self always was like 'it works for x so why shouldn't it work for y too? why do i have to proof things if i know they work? I'm not a math student.' :P
@NinjaVsBear96 Жыл бұрын
Am just learning about the Kronecker Delta and Levi Civita today, taking Math Methods for Physics I. So I’m still significantly confused, but your video helped a bit. Thanks man!
@dreamelatte5 жыл бұрын
This was an incredible explanation, thank you so much!
@johnq48412 жыл бұрын
my god!!! i spend a week trying to understand this, your video is such a life saver
@alexanderrobertson55305 жыл бұрын
This was an absolutely awesome video. I'd love to see more like it.
@gracetuttle9523 Жыл бұрын
I never write comments on youtube videos, but I felt compelled to do so on this one. This video was amazing! Thank you!
@dangernuke9294 ай бұрын
This just made your Tensor Calculus video on Covariant Curl so much easier! Bazinga!
@alwaysbored473 жыл бұрын
A course on General Relativity! That's where I came across it. Thank you very much for this☺️
@sagedutorials64933 жыл бұрын
I am taking a class in continuum mechanics and didn't get this until I went through you video. Nice presentation!
@Sambungus4 жыл бұрын
Andrew really about to get me through graduate EM Theory with his math vids
@majaskafsgaard72544 жыл бұрын
Same bro
@f0rmaggi04 жыл бұрын
Thanks. I remember doing this in electrostatics - basically any permutations of indexes that go clockwise are 1, counter are -1 and no change is zero. My prof also combined it with kroniker delta somehow.
@anomalocaris735 жыл бұрын
Very detailed explanation... Develop all the subindexes of the levi civita tensor in the cross product was really ilustrative
@paranira6466 Жыл бұрын
in in my first Semester and just introduced this last week. Really needed this
@ranmen19352 жыл бұрын
Your explenation was super easy, helped me a lot, Thanks !!
@hokkuspokkuspoppakonsti622110 ай бұрын
Thank you!, thank you! I was struggling so much with my textbook but now I got it! I feel so relieved :)
@tumsum694511 ай бұрын
Taught so eloquently...love it!
@DatBoiMic5 жыл бұрын
This is big kid talk, I'm no ready yet
@arctikvg36939 ай бұрын
Just had this 3 week into my Bachelors and I was so happy 😂
@parkershankin-clarke76545 жыл бұрын
Extremely clear explanation thank you very much!
@sualeha48728 ай бұрын
My homework is done. My day is made!! Thanks man
@brianni8425 Жыл бұрын
You are my hero! I love you, so helpful!
@victorgabrielmoreleduarte59994 жыл бұрын
The minus sign in the ey term appears because of the Laplace's method of taking determinants. The method works exactly as you said, except for that you can take any row or column as the pivots and the correspondent determinants will be multiplied by (-1)^(I+j), where i and j are the row and column indices of each pivot.
@YaamFel3 жыл бұрын
Which appears in that method because of the explicit formula for the determinant which incorporates summing over permutations and multiplying each element by the sign of the permutation
@adelbertwalker15702 жыл бұрын
Exactly! What he is doing is calculation the cofactors of the matrix. Minus 1 to the 1+2 power is negative 1
@victorgabrielmoreleduarte59992 жыл бұрын
@@adelbertwalker1570 damn, this comment is from a long time ago lol. Anyway, I just wanted to point it out because in the video he said "a minus sign pops here for some reason" without bothering to understand what's happening.
@adelbertwalker15702 жыл бұрын
@@victorgabrielmoreleduarte5999 Yes just started the study of Levi-Civita. I remember from linear algebra that computing the cofactors there is a minus 1 raised to the sum of the i-th and j-th indices. that is why you can have a minus sign.
@post-modernneo-marxist81022 жыл бұрын
This is great! it makes me wonder if this method breaks down when the vector space is of dimension 4 or above and if so whether that gives a clue for why cross products only work in 3 dimensions or less.
@CHEESYhairyGASH Жыл бұрын
Fortunate to be learning physics in a time where videos like this exist. Cheers
@marthametz53983 жыл бұрын
Nice methodic work; you are a solid instructor.
@AndrewDotsonvideos3 жыл бұрын
Thanks!
@emmadurza35 жыл бұрын
Thank you so much, Andrew-sama!
@pizi96152 жыл бұрын
Extremely helpful video thank you!
@roee0773 жыл бұрын
Thanks so much for the video We studied this topic on my first day at university and it was not so clear but this video explained the idea well
@samilamby3 жыл бұрын
Lol who would've expected that when searching KZfaq for a video to explain the Levi Civita symbol for my relativity assignment that I would find my way back to Andrew Dotson and have this video perfectly explain it!
@Toastbikini1825 жыл бұрын
Class mate, really helpful !
@solarluca Жыл бұрын
Thank you a lot! It is really helpful 😊
@christos16034 жыл бұрын
Holy cow this was awesome. Thanks!
@namrahadi27744 жыл бұрын
Nicely explained keep it up 💪👍
@Mindblock013 жыл бұрын
this video was great, thx a lot!
@akay375 жыл бұрын
Crystal clear......Thank you
@arbazkhanpathan92593 жыл бұрын
Still better than the WAP song on KZfaq. Thanks Mate!!
@quahntasy5 жыл бұрын
Tutorial! Level of video is escalating. and I love it
@jfr99645 жыл бұрын
In high school, I calculated cross products by quaternion multiplication just to mess with our teacher
@seungjunrhee5 жыл бұрын
Josef Frühauf but y tho
@agrajyadav29512 жыл бұрын
4 years later, hes a genius!
@songtaochen17354 жыл бұрын
There are only two ways to calculate the cross product in my knowledge storage before I watch this video. One is to solve determinant of 3 by 3 matrix, which is where the cross product comes from indeed, the other is what taught in high school, kind of dead algorithm also shown in beginning of this video. It's really helpful dude, and can we use this levi civita method to solve even higher dimensions?
@vaishnavkaramchand7947 Жыл бұрын
Massive thank you
@ishaangoel40633 жыл бұрын
I started watching Andrew's videos for the sketches. 2 years later I've come to this.
@fahimrecordsofficial5 жыл бұрын
Thanks.... Bro... It helps me a lot
@password69752 жыл бұрын
Thank you so much 🙏
@afnanmubarez-oq3vs4 ай бұрын
thank u so much this is very useful for us
@ericbelmontefuentes40883 жыл бұрын
Great, Now I understand it
@chihabeddinebrahmi82225 жыл бұрын
Thanks a lot for your help 😍😍💚💚
@nated19715 жыл бұрын
so, one of the "failures" my vector analysis teacher had was not being able to show how to use the Tensor notation in a real problem? How do we use this when we have actual values for A and B?
@finomhiphopandskate5 жыл бұрын
The honestest of works
@amaljaved66282 жыл бұрын
Yes it is very helpful Thanks Alot🤩
@satabdikakati5759 Жыл бұрын
Thank you
@aaronnorman9755 Жыл бұрын
I think this method is very efficient if you want to create a program to calculate the cross product, it definitely beats the usual tabular method
@azizshameem62413 жыл бұрын
Thank You, Very Nice Vid
@user-do4ch7nt9y4 ай бұрын
thank you very much
@AkamiChannel2 жыл бұрын
Can this be used to get an orthogonal 4vec from two 4vecs the same way that an orthogonal 3vec can be made from two 3vecs?
@arianmurillo57525 жыл бұрын
My teacher of physics didn't teach well this topic and i hate him for that because now i see the beautiful of levi civita symbol. Thanks x3 million
@why-kg6kx3 жыл бұрын
wow...cleared it up for me
@Hades-2352 күн бұрын
Te amo, me ayudó mucho a entenderlo. :3
@mohamedshafeegu5203 жыл бұрын
good easy to understand
@Elpepe-nh8uj10 ай бұрын
Muchas gracias
@chritophergaafele89224 жыл бұрын
but how can you use this for triple scalar and triple vector product
@alexanderrobertson55305 жыл бұрын
Would you be able to show us how to calculate the determinant of a square matrix using the Levi-Civita symbol?
@Goku17yen5 жыл бұрын
You just don’t use E,ijk. You use E, ij, where the same like ii=0. Look up kronecker delta which is for dot product but is similar
@compphysgeek5 жыл бұрын
The determinant is the volume of a parallelepiped with edges along a, b, c, right? a, b, c being vectors in R^3 that make up the columns of the matrix M = |a b c|. Another way to calculate the volume would be (a x b).c (x = cross product; . = dot product). this equation can easily be calculated by det(M) = epsilon_{i,j,k} a_i b_j c_k (you still have to sum over every index of course)
@richardsutherland3843 жыл бұрын
Thank you so much!!
@souravsk872 жыл бұрын
What a teacher…be my teacher Sir
@LustigTotal Жыл бұрын
thanks, nice video
@Abhishek-hy8xe4 жыл бұрын
This video is in entertainment category, lol))
@dyer3085 жыл бұрын
Just did this today!!
@physicslearningwithrunisar84694 жыл бұрын
Thank you sir.
@sikchatra82472 жыл бұрын
Thanks sir ..🙏
@mahf993 жыл бұрын
Thanks bro!
@missghani86463 жыл бұрын
Thank you for clear explanation, my head is spinning with tensor calculus
@jackphillips3354 Жыл бұрын
Just double checking my math, no pun intended. Is the order of i, j, k as presented on the levi civita symbol, and the commutative, associative, and distributive properties what determines the calculation of cross products? I'm comparing notes from what I've learned from Vector Calculus for Engineers. From my previous studies, summing over the i, j, and k by multiplying the one attributed to the vector by the following attributed to the scalars, thus cancelling out the one attributed to the vector, and lastly the order of which the aforementioned i, j, or k presented on the levi civita symbol is the order that they will be presented on the following vectors and scalars cyclically. Did I get that right? Is that basically what being learned here? Constructive criticism, com padres.
@sachietkapur5 жыл бұрын
How do mathematicians come up with stuff like this..... This is amazing❤️❤️
@Goku17yen5 жыл бұрын
Whatever’s is most convenient, different notation could have been used, and in fact is used, but this is the agreed upon notation that is deemed easy and is universal currently, however in the future and new, better notation could come to play and replace all the old ones. Such as Roman numerals to that of the counting system we have today, 0! Having multiple definitions to which it suits best in whatever situation, and perhaps the triangle notation used to represent logarithms as shown in 3glue1brown’s vid. :D
@ztac_dex3 жыл бұрын
brevity, elegance and usefulness
@kanhaiya18253 жыл бұрын
Man maths is all about adding Every function in maths No matter however complex Can be imagined to have originated from adding things
@Upgradezz2 жыл бұрын
Could you do on pseudo vectors
@estebantapia12252 жыл бұрын
Nice!
@alexbyard93584 жыл бұрын
What kind of paper is that??
@shubhadipbera61575 жыл бұрын
What will be the j th and k th component....
@Diaming7874 жыл бұрын
I'm learning E&M and this concept confused me. Thanks for clearing it up!
@SankalpJain-vh8wn4 жыл бұрын
There is an easier way of performing the Levi Cevita method: Write i, j and k (unit vectors) clockwise, whenever you want to multiply any 2 of them, if they are clockwise, put a +sign else(anti clockwise) , put a -ve sign and multiply the unit vectors.
@SankalpJain-vh8wn4 жыл бұрын
My teacher taught us both the methods, 1st this one(Levi Cevita) to give us some intuition and then the Matrice method for faster calculations
@Nchinnam5 жыл бұрын
we just did this in my modern physics class phy344 last week
@Jebarrda003 жыл бұрын
Good vid ty
@aslamicadikafutra5884 жыл бұрын
Please, make a video about group theory..
@Benja.____Ай бұрын
❤
@millajovovich12395 жыл бұрын
what if there is one more character like Ax(BxC) please help me i have exam and i cant get it
@maneshwarsingh86885 жыл бұрын
@glyn hodges it's never too late for knowledge
@GiLuSSa2 жыл бұрын
thanks!
@physicsstudent6313 Жыл бұрын
In the very last example, why isn’t the Sigma subscript i2k instead of 1jk?
@AndrewDotsonvideos Жыл бұрын
For (AxB)_2? I think it says 2jk, it kind of looks like a 1 but I don’t loop my 2’s
@physicsstudent6313 Жыл бұрын
@@AndrewDotsonvideos Andrew, yes, it’s the AXB-2. If I’m getting this right, the subscript number 2 refers to the second column of the 3x3. Right? If so, then that would mean we arre looking at columns 1 and 3 which are the “i”. And “k” components, not the “j” and “k” components. Incidentally, I learned working determinants the old fashioned way of blocking columns. It comes naturally, but only after my old German professors shamed me in front of the whole class for doing it wrong on an exam. Never did it wrong again.
@physicsstudent6313 Жыл бұрын
Forgot to ask, what’s the next lecture after this one Levi-Civita? Couldn’t locate on KZfaq.
@hendrycaven5 жыл бұрын
In Italian Civita is pronounced like Chivita :D
@anxious83935 жыл бұрын
This is some Gucci Stuff right here
@vinitchauhan29285 жыл бұрын
There is actually another equation AiBj-AjBi=sum k £ijk(A×B)k
@yanickwillert34285 жыл бұрын
isnt that basically what he said just the other way around?
@Engeneeringtips5 жыл бұрын
Nice
@racimeexe98684 ай бұрын
Bruh its a cheatcode at this stage🎉
@Dom-kp6ur9 ай бұрын
learning this in methods and it's the first time i've ever seen a tensor. it's not the hardest thing but what angers me is i have absolutely no idea where levi chevita came from, it seems so random.
@caradeenchilada59875 жыл бұрын
This is great, my physics teacher taught us this literally on the second week of first semester and i love it, btw im still a freshman :v