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Crown Down vs. Step Back, which is better?

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AANasseh

AANasseh

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In this video, Dr. Nasseh shares some of his ideas about the crown down vs. the step back technique during a recent trip to Vancouver CA. You can watch this and other videos on our website at: bit.ly/2DfGaZ7

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@MurtyCZ
@MurtyCZ 6 жыл бұрын
Exactly what I needed before my final state exam! Tutorials like this are awesome for students or fresh out of faculty dentists!
@AANasseh
@AANasseh 2 жыл бұрын
Hope you did well on your exam and out practicing already! :)
@serenaleigh8418
@serenaleigh8418 2 жыл бұрын
I appreciate this session for long time that was my question and you explain the logic behind the 2 methods.
@AANasseh
@AANasseh 2 жыл бұрын
I'm glad iI could help. Cheers! :)
@saraluvcats6891
@saraluvcats6891 4 жыл бұрын
What working length should I start with in Crown Down ? Lets assume I have a canal with working length = 22 mm ??
@serenaleigh8418
@serenaleigh8418 2 жыл бұрын
I Appreciate your session. for long time that was my question specially the difference and the logic behind.
@ahmedragah8956
@ahmedragah8956 6 жыл бұрын
you are amazing
@MM-uj8fu
@MM-uj8fu Жыл бұрын
Very insightful. Thank you
@kavityphiller4891
@kavityphiller4891 4 жыл бұрын
Another awesome presentation- thank you so much....very clear, very practical-
@tedioable
@tedioable 4 жыл бұрын
Thank you very much from brazil!!!
@drtayyabfaraz_10
@drtayyabfaraz_10 2 жыл бұрын
U made my life easy
@sameharsanious1039
@sameharsanious1039 5 жыл бұрын
Thank you so much Dr Nasseh for all your videos! You are teaching me what 4 years of dental school didn’t!
@clementzheng8856
@clementzheng8856 11 ай бұрын
For the crown down technique, after stepping down to the first file that goes to working length, what size we do want to go up to? Do we want to get the largest file we started with to working length or just 2-3 sizes larger? Thanks.
@AANasseh
@AANasseh 11 ай бұрын
Typically people say to go up 2-3 sizes; but ideally, after crown down, you want to find a file that fits 3mm short of working length and then drive that to length. This way you've gauged the apex to be cored out with that file to get apical clearing. But either way works, as long as it's not under prepared. Of course, apical curvatures and shapes can cause modifications since larger sizes will not flexible enough to get around short radius curvatures. Cheers!
@Thesvyatful
@Thesvyatful 4 жыл бұрын
Love your blog!
@loz1610
@loz1610 Жыл бұрын
Does it cause ledge when starting with larger file trying to crown down
@jameslingkianlun1285
@jameslingkianlun1285 4 жыл бұрын
Heyy it's very informative and enlightening.In step back technique, does recapitulation help to reduce debris ? You also mention that you are likely going to get post operative problem in step back while removing debris...may I get the evidence on that... Btw I m on board with Ur explanation
@drtayyabfaraz_10
@drtayyabfaraz_10 2 жыл бұрын
Hello sir .which Technique do you use ?
@vikasdeep4428
@vikasdeep4428 2 жыл бұрын
Good evening sir, nice video,my question is that what are drawbacks of crown down technique?
@cosmogang
@cosmogang 6 жыл бұрын
Recently saw data on the esx system showing bad statistics for cyclical fatigue and overall breakage. Has brassler addressed this and do you have any comments on the issue?
@AANasseh
@AANasseh 6 жыл бұрын
Watch the video from a couple of weeks ago from Denver on the difference between cyclic fatigue and torque (lecture excerpt). You can't have it both in the same file. Either way, a new heat treated EndoSequence File is being released at this year's AAE and will be part of a Blend Technique I have developed. I will soon share more videos on that technique.
@Sanytram77
@Sanytram77 6 жыл бұрын
Isn't it more risky to form a ridge, using a crown down technique?
@catmanjoe4312
@catmanjoe4312 2 жыл бұрын
Dr Ali Thank you for wonderful presentations. Can you use Crown Down technique for a narrow and short MB2 canal/root on maxillary 1st molar? Thanks
@emadebrahim8826
@emadebrahim8826 6 жыл бұрын
Good evning from ksa
@dr.janneifar8897
@dr.janneifar8897 4 жыл бұрын
I need to know both of that
@joshuatally2850
@joshuatally2850 6 жыл бұрын
I use a crown down technique rotary system. I am often able to get to the apex with the largest or second largest files fairly quickly. Should I still use the other files at that point or is it best to just irrigate at that point?
@AANasseh
@AANasseh 6 жыл бұрын
No need for the smaller files beyond the "First File" that reaches apex. You can use one small file for occasional recapitulation but you have to decide whether you will go up in size or stop at that point. Generally, it's a good idea to go up at least one size from the first file that reaches apex. If there's remaining tissue (tissue found in the file's flutes and chip space) you may have to go up to even larger sizes. Hope this helps. : )
@Ahuromazda
@Ahuromazda 4 жыл бұрын
Can you plz clarify something; in the crown down technique, lets assume you reach to WL with file 25 or 20, do you still have to continue filing down until.you reach 15 or can you just stop filing as soon as you reach desired WL?
@oriappsinc7379
@oriappsinc7379 3 жыл бұрын
I still don't understand about the idea of passive force for crown down technique, can anybody help me understand it? Like what and how did we actually do with the hand instrument while preparing root canal? Thank u in advance
@rijamasood9927
@rijamasood9927 3 жыл бұрын
Which GP will be used with crown down then?30 or 15 ?As you mentioned that that by the end 30 # file should be able to go till the apex.How do we choose the final gp?
@15bleach51
@15bleach51 3 жыл бұрын
Does it makes sense to perform crown-down using hand K-files? Which technique is better for traditional hand files?
@AANasseh
@AANasseh 3 жыл бұрын
I should make a video about this! But the short answer is yes! :)
@15bleach51
@15bleach51 3 жыл бұрын
@@AANasseh That would be fantastic! There are lot of dentists around the world who don’t have access to machine files and handpieces :(
@mohamedogeez4667
@mohamedogeez4667 5 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the brilliant detailed HQ video. I just have one question regarding the crown down technique; How do i know what size files to start with after using the orfice opener? Is it always 30? Different canals reach different sizes
@AANasseh
@AANasseh 4 жыл бұрын
comes with experience. But starting lightly with a 30 or 25 is a good start. The key is to be passive and not push any file. It's about gentle movement down the canal with each file only doing part of the work. That's the basis of serial step-down. Good luck! :)
@arunpaul8801
@arunpaul8801 5 жыл бұрын
Which technique has got less chances of ledge formation and canal transportation?
@AANasseh
@AANasseh 5 жыл бұрын
Crown Down.
@sria8163
@sria8163 5 жыл бұрын
When you go down to the apex in a clock wise direction in a crown down technique and subsequently think to get larger files say 25 or 30 to the apex , "a anti-clockwise rotation" should be more passive or less passive ?......reminds me driving down the roads that I should have been yesterday.... country roads- John Denver.
@AANasseh
@AANasseh 5 жыл бұрын
I'm not sure I understand what you're trying to say. An counter clockwise motion on a file designed to cut in a clockwise direction does not cut! So, passive or active is not the point. The fact is that it won't cut and only pushes debris apically instead of pulling it coronally.
@trickjacko8482
@trickjacko8482 6 жыл бұрын
Thanks for this valuable information Dr. Nasseh. How deep do you go into a canal with an orifice opener? Orifice openers are shorter than most canals so I've seen you can take them completely into a canal but I guess that will depend on the anatomy of the case and those risky areas that exist on walls near the furcation.
@AANasseh
@AANasseh 2 жыл бұрын
Sorry. Only 3 years late in response! LOL! Better late than never! Anyway... I take the Orifice opener to almost half way down the root or to where it goes without significant resistance (early curves, thin canals, etc.) Key is not to be too aggressive with pushing. Cheers!
@tonyblackops
@tonyblackops 6 жыл бұрын
Doctor do you think the patency file is enough to prevent blockages in step back method?
@AANasseh
@AANasseh 6 жыл бұрын
It certainly helps reduce it but can't eliminate it.
@maciejjabonski4855
@maciejjabonski4855 6 жыл бұрын
Is Crown Down technique possible with other rotary instruments, such as Protaper Gold from Dentsply Mallifier?
@AANasseh
@AANasseh 6 жыл бұрын
It's possible but you would not be using the manufacturers' directions as they are designed for step back (if you take S1, S2, F1, etc. to apex sequentially)
@maciejjabonski4855
@maciejjabonski4855 6 жыл бұрын
Real World Endo Great, thank you for quick answer. Always looking forward to your videos, learned much from them. Keep the great work up!
@Swaad172
@Swaad172 6 жыл бұрын
but at begaining.. if we use .. 25 or 30 to the coronal part .. it will engage to the dentinAL part n debris.. may be chances of broken instruments?😦...
@md.ragibulislam6349
@md.ragibulislam6349 5 жыл бұрын
Why? We SHOULD proceed increasing small amount of length.......
@dollysamant9256
@dollysamant9256 6 жыл бұрын
Hello sir I m using K3XF rotary files... Can u tell me with those files how to do a crown down technique as they are all different tapers and are based on the colour coding...
@AANasseh
@AANasseh 6 жыл бұрын
Sorry. Not familiar with that specific system.
@dollysamant9256
@dollysamant9256 6 жыл бұрын
Can u please share which file system u use.. (brand name)
@NeilSeaver
@NeilSeaver 4 жыл бұрын
When do you first use the apex locator in crown down?
@AANasseh
@AANasseh 4 жыл бұрын
After coronal preferring (orifice opener and a mid-root shaper)
@annacanta5659
@annacanta5659 4 жыл бұрын
Yes after coronal pre-flaring, to establish working length. Then confirm working length with a radiograph (if in sim lab) 😅
@JoonKimDMD
@JoonKimDMD 2 жыл бұрын
Protaper system uses SX orifice opener, so it seems like a crown down technique, but it uses S1,S2, F1, F2 in step back fashion. Do you think the protaper is combing two techniques and uses the best of both worlds?
@AANasseh
@AANasseh 2 жыл бұрын
Never been a fan of ProTapers even though I tested their original pre-release prototypes back in the mid 90’s. We actually developed their analogues in EndoSequemce Taper CM files for Brasseler that is currently popular among ProTaper users; but I personally don’t use them as I don’t believe it’s a proper crown down method and is inefficient. But if it works in your hands then by all means keep using it with whatever technique works for you. But to answer your question, no, it’s not the best of both worlds in my opinion.
@deep4100
@deep4100 6 жыл бұрын
can u post lecture on niti metallurgy
@AANasseh
@AANasseh 6 жыл бұрын
This might be a basic one on the topic: kzfaq.info/get/bejne/hJxzeMSY35ibgIU.html
@Channel_976
@Channel_976 6 жыл бұрын
The Crown down of course 😂 dr plz talk about acute abscess management😅😅
@aylaryousefbeigi8850
@aylaryousefbeigi8850 3 жыл бұрын
👌🏻
@TheiKurd
@TheiKurd 6 жыл бұрын
What is the difference between the Crown down and Step Down technique? Thanks
@AANasseh
@AANasseh 6 жыл бұрын
Fairly similar in concept. Step Down is the passive Step Down Technique originally described by Dr. Torabinejad. It's also a good technique.
@gatorboydomino
@gatorboydomino 6 жыл бұрын
is he married?
@adibkashani7616
@adibkashani7616 5 жыл бұрын
Dear Nasseh. Your understanding of step back is wrong
@AANasseh
@AANasseh 5 жыл бұрын
Enlighten us then.
@adibkashani7616
@adibkashani7616 5 жыл бұрын
@@AANasseh Stepping back is primarily a technique for achieving a predictable taper using 02 taper hand files. Once you have decided what apical size you want to use and the WL, U prep the canal with progressively larger sizes each being 1/2 mm shorter than the next from the WL. You can also make that 1mm if you want a more conservative taper. BTW i am a big fan
@AANasseh
@AANasseh 5 жыл бұрын
You’re just describing the taper preparation aspect of the step back technique. From an order of operations perspective regarding reaching apex, the difference between the two techniques is explained correctly in the video. In Step Back Technique you reach the Apex first and do your apical preparation first before preparing the final taper, and in Crown Down you reach the apex last after taper preparation and do your apical enlargement last. The Step-Back technique is the whole shaping technique, not just taper preparation part of the shaping. Cheers!
@adibkashani7616
@adibkashani7616 5 жыл бұрын
@@AANasseh You are right , that is what i have described and you are right again, the philosophical difference between the 2 techniques has been explained in the presentation. I am not sure if the new generation is familiar with the tapering technique i described. Thanks again for all your presentations.
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