Crush Depth: The Nightmarish Loss of USS Thresher

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The first of its class and leading the way to sweeping US Navy Submarine build standards change, the USS Thresher (SSN-593) was tragically lost with all hands on April 10, 1963 and is on Eternal Patrol.
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@jaylangelier Жыл бұрын

I actually just started at the Naval yard in Kittery Maine again and had a neo class on the thresher

@nighthawkf1174 Жыл бұрын

you should cover the other, possibly more nefarious sinking of that era. The loss and possible destruction of the USS Scorpion. which has some rather serious evidence point towards it being a purposeful sinking of a US nuclear submarine by the russians.

@Bureaucromancer Жыл бұрын

Any hope you'll look at Scorpion at some point? I guess there might be too many unknowns, but still...

@angelachouinard4581 Жыл бұрын

@@nighthawkf1174 That would be a good one for him to do. I 2nd your motion.

@mvd4436 Жыл бұрын

It is unbelievable that they tested this sub in such deep water. There was no safety net as you say. They should be tested in water depths that dont exceed their crush point.

@Iamthelolrus Жыл бұрын

Although the real figure is classified, I have heard from a credible source that a modern U.S. nuclear powered sub can stay submerged until the crew runs out of coffee.

@lars7935 Жыл бұрын

Nuclear subs make their own air and water. So the only limitation is food and crew morale.

@AkizukiSakura16 Жыл бұрын

As a former nuclear electricians mate who was married to a nuclear electronics technician stationed on a submarine in Groton: your source is correct 😂

@arianebolt1575 Жыл бұрын

Don't forget toilet paper

@grmpEqweer Жыл бұрын

Coffee is freaking⚠️ important

@Hosstache Жыл бұрын

Coffee IS Reactor Safety - OPRS-1 Step 1.0

@annaswain1809 Жыл бұрын

My father didn't die because his supervisor scratched his name off the list and went in his place. His supervisor had 4 children. My Dad had 4 children. I was only 13. I can't imagine how my life would have changed that day if my Dad had died on the Thresher.

@johnmccormick8462 11 ай бұрын

You were lucky, your father was fated to live. God bless.

@ricmackie8252 11 ай бұрын

@@johnmccormick8462 My dad was on the USS-Permit, a sister submarine. I was too young to be scared, but I learned later that there was a lot of concern about which submarine was lost. So tragic.

@silversilk8438 11 ай бұрын

Why did his supervisor take his place?

@sethrudy6617 11 ай бұрын

Prove it

@DriveLaken 11 ай бұрын

@@sethrudy6617 She already did

@corynthius8860 Жыл бұрын

I already have a strong fear of deep waters, but the thought of being trapped in a box sinking deeper and deeper just waiting for it to collapse is incomprehensibly terrifying

@rico9163 11 ай бұрын

Hearing the engines shut down, and engineers frantically trying to start the reactor again as the hull starts creaking and groaning around you...

@romesantana8960 11 ай бұрын

Shit my heart would’ve sink shit definitely 💯 would’ve panicked

@willthomsen7569 11 ай бұрын

And yet the guys voice on the garbled transmissions is still just professionally reporting information to the surface. Unbelievable moment of courage that must have taken from all those men

@shelbyindianajones3226 11 ай бұрын

My dad was a submariner, they mentally prepare themselves and go through their tasks even in terrifying conditions. Every submariner knows this can happen; my dad just loved every minute of being out at sea.

@carolmiller5713 11 ай бұрын

I'm claustrophobic and have only been on the "submarine" at Disneyland. I don't care how many guarantees they could give me, snorkeling is my "underwater" limit!

@JeffKlavir Жыл бұрын

My uncle was a civilian contractor on the Thresher. Been out on it several times. Fortunately, not on the final time. He told us he thought the fittings were substandard, and he was not shocked at the outcome. I'll never forgot what he said. He went to pick up some tools he left shortly after the sinking, and he saw tow trucks towing all the cars out of the parking lot.

@KuostA Жыл бұрын

man that's fucked up to imagine, that visual in the last sentence there, ugh.

@danieljohnson2005 Жыл бұрын

Wow. It took me a few seconds to understand your last sentence, but it hit pretty hard once I got it. I can’t even imagine seeing that.

@mauricemotors8207 Жыл бұрын

Do you think they knew it would fail?

@JeffKlavir Жыл бұрын

@@mauricemotors8207 My Uncle said he had concerns about the quality of the fittings and brazings. (If I remember right, I was really young at the time). He is still with us, but his health is failing, I wish I could ask him about it now.

@bennyd345 Жыл бұрын

Wow, that's an image that'd stay with you.

@lonestar1775 Жыл бұрын

I'm a machinist in Cornwall, PA. We make all of the water pumps for the Virginia and Columbus class subs. Also the new Ford class carriers. Our CEO had us all assemble yesterday, and we had a moment of silence at 9:14am. He had us stare at our hands for 60 seconds. He then told us the story and reminded us that a weld failed on a Main Seawater Casing. We make those. In those 60 seconds, the whole sub flooded and everyone died. It really made us all think that we better do our job right.

@jamesstreet228 Жыл бұрын

Thank you for your extreme attention to detail. The ocean is not a forgiving entity. When mistakes are made, you don't get a second chance. Edit It's good to hear that you have a CEO that actually cares about the toll that is paid in blood when mistakes are made.

@susanbengston3208 Жыл бұрын

Thank you Walter, and all your coworkers, for your Professionalism, Acute attention to detail and upholding the Highest Standards to keep our Nation’s Men and Women who Serve and Sacrifice of Themselves to keep America and the World at large Safe.

@stephenhuntsucker3766 Жыл бұрын

Nice to know that there are some people that still take their jobs seriously.

@dannymcnamara2554 Жыл бұрын

God Bless the USA!!👍🏼🇨🇦🇬🇧🇺🇸

@josephryan9230 Жыл бұрын

Thank you for that story. Very powerful, very moving. And this is coming from an Army guy.

@lilcruzship7383 Жыл бұрын

My grandpa's best friend was lost in the Thresher accident. His name was Pat Garner. I believe he was a Lieutenant Commander. It's sad that none of the bodies were never recovered and now still with the submarine and the crew time has forgot. My grandpa and him were childhood friends and it bothered my grandpa for decades that he was gone. But they have been reunited in heaven or another world.

@kidsalex13 Жыл бұрын

I'm not sure if you watched all the way to the end but he was second in the list of names and it confirms that he was Lieutenant Commander

@lilcruzship7383 Жыл бұрын

@@kidsalex13 I just saw this. I'm going to watch it when I have time. He was originally from Memphis but my grandpa was raised in Marianna, Arkansas roughly about an hour away.

@LexYeen Жыл бұрын

If it's any consolation, the incident would have been so fast those aboard wouldn't have felt a thing. The physics are... Extreme.

@weaponizedautism2678 Жыл бұрын

Rest in peace to both Pat and your grandpa

@johanvandersandt8904 Жыл бұрын

RIP to them both.

@bungalowwil Жыл бұрын

My father was COB on the USS Nautilus. We lived in Groton in Navy housing and I'll never forget the look on the neighbor's face when he came to the door late in the evening and told my dad that they had to go to the base immediately. I was only seven years old, but I knew something was bad. "We lost a boat." he said, and I watched the color drain from my dad's face. And five years later, we lost the Scorpion. There were kids in my school who didn't have fathers anymore. My father used to give tours of the Nautilus to various groups like the Cub Scouts and I'd tag along. And someone would always ask the question, "How deep can this sub go?" Which is classified. And my dad would look at them and say, "All the way to the bottom."

@stvjjgcj 11 ай бұрын

my father was just a SOAB

@SQUID_Road_Glide 11 ай бұрын

@bungalowwill. Thank you kindly. A very precious memory of your father illustrates the depth of our camaraderie, and his spirit to give freely of his time is as familiar as the back of my hand. I took one of those tours on the Nautilus while in Sub School. Thank you for your service. As you know so intimately, when one member of the family serves, they all serve. ET1(SS/SW/MTS) US Navy, Ret.

@drshockenburg4861 11 ай бұрын

"All the way to the bottom." Damn thats bone chilling!

@ironspaghett 11 ай бұрын

@@drshockenburg4861hats a hard ass quote I bet those people never forgot @OP You write well. I'd even be interested in reading more of the stories of your father and interesting times in the military / on the base, etc

@Toolness1 11 ай бұрын

My dad was IC on the Nautilus, I got to tour it once. Don't know how those guys didn't go nuts down there.

@howieduin915 10 ай бұрын

I was only 11years old and exploring the rocky coast of Maine with my new transister radio. A news bulletin came on telling about the Thresher being in trouble, and rescue efforts beginning. Perhaps because I was wading in the same water as the Thresher was in. It had a profound affect on my 11year old mind. I still remember listening to that radio, transfixed by what I was hearing. Somehow it made the event personal to me. Still seems like yesterday. Now 71. Thanx for an exceptional video.

@stephenhargreaves9324 2 ай бұрын

An eloquent comment.

@chrisswanson6642 Ай бұрын

@@stephenhargreaves9324what does eloquent mean?

@lindaterrell5535 Ай бұрын

@@chrisswanson6642 Seriously?

@murphynuglene3714 Ай бұрын

@@chrisswanson6642 Eloquent means that the words he used to tell the story, are educated and varied from every day vernacular.

@kieranmalenoir8705 Жыл бұрын

60 years tomorrow of the sinking of the USS Thresher, may all 129 souls rest in peace

@GasGrassOrAssetto Жыл бұрын

RIP. A decent amount of the crew would probably be alive today. 60 years of life taken away in 1/20 of a second...

@kieranmalenoir8705 Жыл бұрын

@@GasGrassOrAssetto only good thing about it is it was over quick when the time came. Rest in place lads

@ShapeupShiptout Жыл бұрын

That day is today and whats crazy is i didnt know that and im sitting here watching this.

@danbev9313 Жыл бұрын

@@kieranmalenoir8705 how do u that that???

@dg7708 3 ай бұрын

@@danbev9313at that depth, the implosion is so fast you'd be chunks of meat floating around in the ocean and not have even seen it coming. Lights off like flipping a switch.

@fouchnickens Жыл бұрын

I was a little shocked by the lack of higher standards regarding joined seams and joints -- by the 1960s, there had been over a century of evidence of the importance of joint and seam integrity in military ship design! There is some solace that the Navy immediately sought to implement change from this horrific incident, but the question remains why the military structure chose construction speed over its human capital first during a time of relative peace.

@pyro1047 Жыл бұрын

I'd guess because as you said, it was a time of "Relative" peace, but that's in relation to all out war. There were tons of incidents, skirmishes, and proxy wars between NATO, the Soviets, and allies of the two; especially in the 50's-70's. She was ordered in "58, commissioned in '61, and lost in '63. She was just in time for one of the most tense moments of the Cold War, the Cuban missile crisis in '62 when a lot of people thought nuclear war between the US and USSR was imminent. Considering she was not only a new highly advanced design which would be the lead of a whole class, but also a testbed for more advanced weapon systems, passive and active sonars, etc. It actually makes perfect sense why they would rush to get her out, at the moment no one knows when a war will start but they're pretty sure it's only a matter of time; so the sooner they can discover any design and equipment defects by field testing it, the sooner they can fix those defects or make a better replacement and apply them to the rest of the class and fleet. I'm not saying it's the right choice, and it obviously proved wrong in this case. But there's at least an understandable reason why they might've felt they had to.

@wyattroncin941 Жыл бұрын

Navies have never been particularly interested in safety culture, to the point where in WW1 the royal navy battlecruiser fleet was disabling blast doors in order to increase rate of fire. This resulted in multiple ships lost with nearly their entire crew, from magazine detonations. Welding and general metallurgy was also much less well understood during the time of the thresher, and the idea that if something was designed to work and was built by a trained person then it would definitely work was prevalent thoughout industry. If a weld is supposed to be as strong as the base metal, then all welds would be.

@brucelytle1144 Жыл бұрын

There is alot more here than you know. Many things changed after Thresher, and even more after Scorpion. I was a submarine repairman (outside machinist) when I was in the Navy. Sometimes it felt like I spent more time in a classroom than I did working on the boats!😂

@harridan. Жыл бұрын

Steel can change its molecular structure without changing its shape.

@seantbr2019 Жыл бұрын

Remember right there was some pipes burst at the seams and the reason was the pipes were not welded they were braised braising has less tensile strength psi than welds do welding has a tensile strength of 60-80 thousand psi and braising is around 30 thousand or so

@Purplexity-ww8nb 11 ай бұрын

I served aboard the USS Gato (SSN 615) during an overhaul in the late '70s. It was scheduled to be an 18 month overhaul. 14 months into the overhaul, it was discovered that some of the fasteners used in many SUBSAFE systems were not SUBSAFE certified. The identification, removal and replacement of these fasteners turned an 18 month overhaul into a 41 month overhaul. The Navy takes the SUBSAFE program very seriously.

@ColdWarSubSailor_- 11 ай бұрын

Hey, I was aboard Gato too. Those multiple sea trials after Ingalls then transit to Port Canaveral to balance the main engines.

@slick99rooster 6 ай бұрын

I was a guest on the USS Finback we she was working out of Roosevelt Roads. I could not get over the tight quarters you guys had to live under.

@bushyboy8376 11 ай бұрын

As a submariner of 20years a lot of our safety systems have come from the unfortunate loss of the Thresher.

@Mainyehc 11 ай бұрын

Sadly, those safety systems and best practices fell on Stockton Rush’s deaf ears.

@kazmodan82 11 ай бұрын

Curious, didn't the Thresher have backup battery power? Couldn't it have used backup power to propel itself to the surface after the reactor shutdown? I really hope today's submarines have the ability to switch to backup power instantly in case the reactor is shutdown. Otherwise, this could still happen no matter how improved the ballast blowing system has become.

@arafat2924 11 ай бұрын

@@kazmodan82 no, it couldn't you can't turn the massive screw of a nuclear sub using the tiny amount of battery power at least not for very long or fast enough to come to the surface dynamically from as deep as Thresher was that's what the emergency blow procedure is for

@jshepard152 11 ай бұрын

Thank you for your service. Our nuclear subs are the best defense we have against nuclear attack.

@greendragon4058 11 ай бұрын

It is sad that we have to learn some lessons because people die. Like the Titanic and lifeboats. The sea is so unforgiving

@kennethjohnson4280 Жыл бұрын

The most accepted theory of the loss is that a silver brazed joint in a pipe larger than 2" failed. The water likely shorted out an electrical load center causing the reactor to SCRAM. The weight of water weighed down the back of the sub, causing it to begin sliding backward into deeper water. With no propulsion to counter the subs sliding back into deep water, the Conning Officer would have ordered an emergency blow. Later testing demonstrated that this was likely caused by the supercooled air leaving the flasks in the ballast tank, caused ice to form on the screens over the discharges stopping the blow. (this was corrected on later subs). With no propulsion, the inability to blow their tanks, and the sub sinking ever deeper, every sailor on that submarine knew full well that, eventually, a hull collapse was inevitable. Fortunately, the collapse would have killed every man instantly and there would have been no suffering.

@mvd4436 Жыл бұрын

But they have redundancies built into all the systems. I think something like that could have been the start of it. But there would have had to be some human error in controlling the sub to make it a loss.

@davedunks4647 Жыл бұрын

@@mvd4436 1963 redundancy ? challenger space shuttle circa 1986 says hi. An extra o ring and history would be changed

@edkiely2712 Жыл бұрын

Great info- thanks!

@kennethjohnson4280 Жыл бұрын

@@mvd4436 Let me mention that I was in the Navy for 20 years, my job is fixing US Navy submarines, and I have done this for an additional 14 years as a civilian. I have worked at Portsmouth Naval Shipyard countless times. This is the accepted scenario. Yes, there was human error. The belief is the silver brazed joint was faulty. This led to the development of the Submarine Safety Program (SUBSAFE). The SUBSAFE program encompasses a lot, and I would be happy to discuss it with you if you are interested.

@Atvsrawsome Жыл бұрын

@@mvd4436 well they do have systems in place now but at the time they may not have had them in place. Almost all modern safety systems and codes are written in blood.

@jebbroham1776 Жыл бұрын

There was no suffering for the crew as they were killed instantly the second the pressure hull failed. However, those last minutes before crush depth was reached must have been absolutely terrifying.

@ww2planes_810 Жыл бұрын

To be completely honest, they were probably too busy taking casualty actions and fighting the flooding to recognize the depth they were reaching. If anybody did, it was the Helmsman, Plainsman, Dive, Officer of the Deck, CO, XO and MAYBE Maneuvering watch standers.

@gwtpictgwtpict4214 Жыл бұрын

Physical suffering no, but I'm betting a fair few of the crew suffered that gut wrenching fear that kicks in when you think "I'm going to die here".

@Jabarri74 Жыл бұрын

@@gwtpictgwtpict4214 Or maybe they sang a song and accepted it, when you know your time is up there's no point fighting it. Maybe they enjoyed the final few moments I know I would if I was doomed

@ghostcat5303 Жыл бұрын

@@ww2planes_810 I would imagine the sounds the hull was making as the boat reached and then exceeded test depth made the situation pretty obvious to anyone with a functioning set of ears

@graydi66y Жыл бұрын

They suffered every second up until the implosion.

@admiralinvertebrate5649 11 ай бұрын

The guy who was listening to the sonar device that picked up the high energy, low frequency sound that was probably the Thresher imploding in the deep ocean like someone squeezing a soda can must have been forever haunted by that noise when he realized what it almost certainly meant.

@deus_ex_machina_ 11 ай бұрын

Perhaps that's why BI gave a warning every time such a sound came up. A 'trigger warning', if you will...

@ChibiViolin 11 ай бұрын

I was on a bus that ran over and killed a motorcyclist. Can't go over a speed-bump without thinking about him.

@Sashazur 11 ай бұрын

@@ChibiViolinThat sounds truly horrible.

@admiralinvertebrate5649 11 ай бұрын

@@ChibiViolinSorry that happened to you.

@marcuspolo9106 2 ай бұрын

The people on that sad sub my god

@HEDGE1011 11 ай бұрын

I am a longtime military and airline pilot and have done safety work in both the aviation and chemical processing industries. I have been interested in the losses of Thresher and Scorpion for years, and must congratulate you on this outstanding analysis and summary. I very much look forward to the second part.

@adriennepontecorvo3498 11 ай бұрын

Amen... and yes, looking forward to it. Your work is incredible, love your channel...

@andybailey6763 Жыл бұрын

My Great Uncle, Thomas Wayne Bailey, was scheduled to be on the Thresher for those final exercises. He had cold symptoms and was confined to quarantine with a suspected case of the flu. Those sniffles saved his life.

@robermv32 Жыл бұрын

I served aboard a nuclear ballistic missile submarine back in the 70's. I came to learn about the loss of the Thresher while in 8th grade when we were told a man from our home town was aboard. The family still lives in that town. RIP Maurice Jaquay.

@ronaldhumphrey8928 Жыл бұрын

Thank you for your service.

@Thadude701 Жыл бұрын

I served on a boomer in the mid 80s ,they treated us well then and had alot of money to spend under Reagan.

@Chewy_GarageBandDad Жыл бұрын

Thank you for your service.

@joshuamostyn5377 11 ай бұрын

@@Thadude701I'm sure his war on "drugs" helped fund you guys

@mixing3698 11 ай бұрын

Very insightful comment!

@johnroberts6695 Жыл бұрын

The loss of the _Thresher_ is one of the worst naval disasters in history. To make the sub more presentable, facades were built to hide pipes. When _Thesher_ began experiencing problems, the ballast (at room temperature) began blowing very cold (like a can of compressed air) Thus, it froze the water in the pipes. This kept the ballast from working as it should have, and the crew was not able to gain access to the pipes because of the facades. When the reactor scrambled, the propulsion switched to batteries, but that speed could not sustain the sub's depth and it began its descent past test depth and then crush depth. The deeper it went, the more difficult it became to ascend. And those aboard _Thresher_ knew exactly the state they were in.

@sleepisthecousinofdeath7395 11 ай бұрын

Little did you know 🤣

@dfmcintyre129 11 ай бұрын

John Robert - I think your close but a bit off in the explanation. What I read somewhere (I wish I could relocate it) that the navy, until this incident, didn’t dehumidify the air stored in the emergency blow tanks. During the blow, it was the moisture in the compressed air, rushing out of the valves, that blocked or froze the valve(s), not allowing the air to escape.

@erickyle5604 8 ай бұрын

I'll have to back you up on this. I have come across the same information. Apparently there's a filter in the valve, because of the small size of the filtration ports, the were at risk to freeze over during emergency blows at depth, where the water was colder. They had a sub which had the same issue, don't recall the name, but that is how it was discovered. Those filters, have since been replaced.

@Oksobasically2 5 ай бұрын

The other commenters were correct. Since this the whole emergency blow system has been overhauled and redesigned. Now there are active measures being used to dehumidify the high pressure air being stored in the air banks for use in emergency blow. The submarine navy takes this VERY seriously. The Thresher is constantly referenced anytime maintenance on that system is conducted.

@laynejordan991 Жыл бұрын

My dad was a photographer in the Navy when the Thresher incident happened. He was stationed in Washington DC at the time, and received a Navy commendation for all his work developing and processing the film footage that the other submarines took while trying to locate the wreckage. I asked him if it was ever found? He said the only thing he saw on the film was debris, scattered on the ocean floor. Very sad.

@susanbengston3208 Жыл бұрын

Tragic.

@chasjetty8729 Жыл бұрын

Tragic loss. Lots of kids and wives left wondering for decades exactly what was up. It’s an honor to learn about these sailors. Thank Immortar.

@tylerdejong6930 Жыл бұрын

Dont use His name in vain

@noneyadamnbiznezz Жыл бұрын

Their families knew exactly what was up! Their loved ones worked in and operated a tin can cruising the deepest oceans. How many subs have sank and some of the crew survived? Very damned few, thats for certain. Russian sub the Kursk sank with all hands in the Barents Sea in 2000. 118 souls on board and 23 actually survived in the stern of the ship when a torpedo exploded and set off the remaining torps. Sinking the ship with all hands. The 23 survivors in the stern lived for 3 more days until they succumbed to fire and O2 depletion. Russia would not accept international help. By the time they did, it was too late to rescue anyone. It simply became a recovery effort. But I don’t expect anything less from russia. Russias military personnel are not considered people or individuals. They are simply the biological components of a weapons system…

@Mattman2500 Жыл бұрын

I work as a Machinist and make parts for the U.S Navy. We mainly make parts for our submarines. I can tell you first hand. When we make parts for subs. Every tolerance has to be met. Parts are tracked. All materials are U.S sourced. All parts have their own SN#. That has to be kept with the parts. We take this stuff real serious.

@susanbengston3208 Жыл бұрын

Thank you Mike, We are a Nation grateful for your expertise and care put into your work.

@sodapopinski9922 Жыл бұрын

Do You work out of groton?

@carlbrutananadilewski8395 Жыл бұрын

US military aviation is the same. Every single part is tracked, has nsn/serial and is US made. Not to mention so much redundancy is crazy on our rotary wing AC.

@cf453 Жыл бұрын

I have a lot of appreciation for people who recognize the importance of a job well done. Thank you Mike.

@Jarfiller Жыл бұрын

Same here but with aviation.

@harveyblankenship564 Жыл бұрын

My Dad served 21 years in the US Navy. He wore Dolphins & had the opportunity to serve aboard the USS Thresher, along with one of his best friends, Andrew "Doc" Gallant, but he was given the opportunity to cross-rate (from RM to CT) & decided to accept this. I do know that Dad mourned the loss of Doc Gallant for the rest of his life....

@kellyfrench Жыл бұрын

Please explain RM and CT, are those ratings?

@Hank13665 Жыл бұрын

@@kellyfrench Radioman and Communications Technician

@guodzillakaiju5683 Жыл бұрын

An interesting fact about the "Thresher's" aftermath: In 1985 there was a top-secret mission to investigate the status of the "Thresher" wrecksite, with emphasis on the status of the sub's reactor. The leader of the expedition: Robert Ballard. The cover-story: Searching for the "Titanic."

@deus_ex_machina_ 11 ай бұрын

The irony of a tourist/expedition submersible imploding on the way to the actual Titanic wreck site is eerie...

@bocefusmurica4340 11 ай бұрын

No one else talking about the nuclear radiation emissions? I can’t believe it’s intact and not leaking.

@Toolness1 11 ай бұрын

@@bocefusmurica4340 Dilution is the solution. I know it sounds ignorant but there's a hell of a lot of water out there, even if it was leaking Im not sure it would be a huge deal at its location.

@danculp3136 11 ай бұрын

@Toolness1 water is a stunningly effective gamma ray absorber. The reactor down there is no issue

@concept5631 11 ай бұрын

@@bocefusmurica4340Even if it was leaking, water is very good and diluting the effects of nuclear waste and whatnot.

@me0want0diamonds Жыл бұрын

I work as a commercial fisherman where our dock is directly across from the Shipyard having grown up in the sphere of influence of the shipyard. The Thresher is still remembered and mourned in the area. I personally have a framed photo in remembrance of the Thresher hanging on the wall. May they all have fair winds and following seas on their eternal patrol

@NotOnDrugs Жыл бұрын

Cape May scalloper checking in. I wish I would have joined the Navy & went on a sub. I kick myself in the ass every time I see one.

@itwontcomeout5678 Жыл бұрын

That is nice to think that they’re all still out there, sailing the deep seas forever

@donnarupert4926 Жыл бұрын

😔

@FRANK45CASTLE Жыл бұрын

I live 10 minutes for portsmouth, thanks for feeding us seafood!

@pearlschoice1988 Жыл бұрын

My father was head of the design division at the Shipyard, and both of my grandfathers worked there also. One was an electrician and the other was a machinist. There were many dark and gloomy days in our home after the Thresher was lost. We kids weren’t allowed to talk about it. It was a frightening and tragic time for so many.

@zackcavelli5809 Жыл бұрын

I work at Newport News Shipbuilding. When going through orientation everyone is told the story of the USS Thresher. We are shown audio recordings from the incident. These days the quality inspections in the sub shops are extremely strict. We want to make sure this never happens again.

@jamesstreet228 Жыл бұрын

Thank you for the extreme attention to detail. The ocean is not a forgiving entity. When mistakes are made they are costly.

@susanbengston3208 Жыл бұрын

Thank you, every single Employee, American’s rely on you, We are grateful for your expertise and immaculate care taken thru out your work. Carry on Zack, we’re proud to have you.

@carlbrutananadilewski8395 Жыл бұрын

Don't go around telling folks what you do. It will make you an easy target for espionage.

@MrBigbird007 Жыл бұрын

@@carlbrutananadilewski8395 Bhahaha nice try there

@mechcommander7876 11 ай бұрын

@@mikea9516pretty sure any primary military contractor requires a low level security clearance. Which means they do some digging into your life (and by some I mean A LOT).

@PanduPoluan 11 ай бұрын

Despite every sub loss are horrific, the phrase used to declare the sub's fate is so poetic: *_On Eternal Patrol_*

@jessewarr1277 2 ай бұрын

Gosh that just hits deep somewhere

@nanabutner Ай бұрын

😢😢

@howardchang6985 Жыл бұрын

I was a nuc electrician stationed on the USS Flasher from 1974 to 1977. I wasn’t going to watch this video because it was to close to home. But, I decided I could honor those sailors on eternal patrol in a small way by remembering them via this documentary. I was curious to know if my recollection from what I had heard during my Flasher days was still accurate. It was. From what I can recall, the Flasher was being built when the Thresher was lost. The construction was delayed to incorporate Subsafe. Our test depth was a bit shallower than the Thresher’s, perhaps for a larger safety margin? I won’t mention our crush depth, since I don’t know what’s still considered classified. Seeing the Thresher at sea at the beginning of this video brought back memories of being on Flasher’s bridge and watching water going over the bow. This was difficult for me to watch, but I’m glad I did. I presume it was my naive youth that caused me to never worry when we went to sea. My gratitude to those souls lost aboard the Thresher for their sacrifice and for helping keep me and other Flasher crew members that much safer and able to always return to our loved ones.

@henotic.essence 11 ай бұрын

God bless you, thank you for your contributions 🙏❤️

@Monkey-Epic 11 ай бұрын

That is a very commendable way to look at their ultimate sacrifice. Its obvious by the copious amount of changes made from the tragedy impacted naval safety procedures to this day.

@easternflower6476 3 ай бұрын

My grandpa was a submariner in ww2, and I once asked him what he would do if he ever found himself in a situation like the men on the thresher where he knew he was going to die. He said he would be at peace, because quote, “if I’m going to die, I’m right where any mariner would want to be. Every navy man knows the sea is our final destination. I’d be sad, but not too scared. I’d be going home.”

@jaime683 Жыл бұрын

I was an FTG on her sister ship, USS Dace SSN 607. We had many valves and pipes labeled SSN 593, and every time I read that, I got such a pain in my heart for our fellow submariners and the civilians that perished. Every time we went to test depth, there was always that little prayer that I know many of us quietly spoke. God bless all that wear dolphins. Submarines once, submarines twice…

@webbtrekker534 Жыл бұрын

...Holy Jummpin'.......I use to see Dace going up and down the Thames past EB all the time.

@seijirou302 Жыл бұрын

Holy jumpin jesus christ

@rvndmnmt1 Жыл бұрын

Holy jumping Jesus Chirst. We go up. We go down. But we don't fuck around. Awooga, awooga, dive, dive,dive. SSN 709 Hyman G. Dickover. SSN 765 Mountpenis. SSBN 737 Kumfuckme Blue. Nice meeting a brother.

@subvet694 Жыл бұрын

We go up, we go down….

@jrbouterse Жыл бұрын

We don’t even fuck around

@2copy3copy4cpoy Жыл бұрын

Submarines are the most interesting subject in modern warfare. The heroism and bravery shown by so many crews from so many nations, the breakneck pace of modernization in relevant technologies both during the world wars and the Cold War, and the dread experienced both by their targets and by those who learn about what sub crews have endured. It just goes on and on. I hope you do many more episodes on these. All you need is good men...

@don_chan3638 Жыл бұрын

submarines fucking terrify me, genuinely the idea of being on one is one of my worst fears all because of a documentary I saw on the Kursk when I was little

@tigerwoods373 Жыл бұрын

I think the worst period was from ww1 to ww2. The technology wasn't really there making an already dangerous place even more dangerous. Having to emerge to gather fresh air, travel faster or get supplies. They got really easy to spot come late ww2 where on German commander said it was like someone in the crew was relaying their position to the enemy.

@auntbarbara5576 Жыл бұрын

Agree!! 🤯😬

@WiseOwl_1408 Жыл бұрын

@Auschwitz Soccer Ref. Nah

@wape1 Жыл бұрын

@@tigerwoods373 Yep, those later days of WWII were pure murder. If you were in the sub arm of the Kriegsmarine, there was a 75% chance of going down with your boat!

@jasonhowell-lg5ig Жыл бұрын

Bob Ballard found this submarine for the Navy..and another called the Scorpion 🦂..he noticed that both imploded leaving a trail of debris ..so when he was looking for the Titanic he read that survivors saw the Titanic break in half..so he looked for the trail of debris again..and found wreckage and a boiler..then he followed that trail to the bow..so without this tragic submarine disaster he may not have found the most famous ship wreak ever( The Unsinkable Titanic which sank in 2 hours and 40 minutes) great work Bob.

@fidellytle5838 Жыл бұрын

To this day as a Former Submarine Sailor, I never understood why Submarines are tested in an area beyond their crush depth! Yes, there was a Submarine Salvage and Rescue Ship on site. It could do no good as the depth the submarine was operating was 8,400 feet. I always felt a submarine first dive should be in area less than it's maximum operating depth. Than maximum operating depth before being certified for full operation.

@dashriprock4308 Жыл бұрын

I wondered about that, too.

@Tuppoo94 Жыл бұрын

Very good point. A sub that's still in the testing stage should be kept in the "kiddie pool" just in case something goes wrong.

@Arcticun Жыл бұрын

The initial dive was intended to be at test depth - like she had been some 40 times before. Test depth on the Thresher was 1300ft, and Skylark got the last communication at around 900ft. Crush depth is at 1950ft, but the actual implosion happened at 2400ft so she went on way below her advertised crush depth. But, this also means that they slowly sunk some 1500ft before death.

@prevost8686 Жыл бұрын

I think we’re just about done building manned nuclear submarines. Scary to see how fast AI technology is evolving . Drones of all types (land,sea&air) seem to be all the rage for future military applications.

@HippieInHeart Жыл бұрын

Yeah, and also test in places where the seabed is soft and sandy so that even if something does go horribly wrong and the sub sinks all the way down, there will be a smaller risk of it just getting completely torn open by some sharp rocks, resulting in a better chance to rescue all the people before they drown or suffocate.

@budhalbr Жыл бұрын

The SUBSAFE system was one of my areas of expertise. It became a highly streamlined, and dependable system that was adhered to diligently. I sometimes had the Thresher incident in the back of my mind when we did test dives and emergency blows. I also knew that our systems improved and were as good as they could be because of the sacrifice of the crew and shipbuilders lost that day. God bless them.

@susanbengston3208 Жыл бұрын

You Serve a Grateful Nation. Chief676, We salute You.

@-RedSpartan- Жыл бұрын

God bless you as well.

@calvinhancock7844 11 ай бұрын

SUBSAFE was a great quality assurance system, I haven't seen another QA system since leaving the Navy that came close to its standards. My crew members and I thank you SSN687.

@RuthAnnnMorris Жыл бұрын

I remember the nightly news reporting on the Thresher being lost. My parents were painting the inside of our house and for some reason I felt a great loss. I’m 69 years old now and this still haunts me.

@leelaural Жыл бұрын

yeah I'm 69 and yes, this was a huge story then....haunting because we were used to the good guys always winning.

@dspates51 Жыл бұрын

This video brought back a lot of memories. I'm a retired submarine veteran. The first boat I served onboard, USS DACE SSN-607, was a Permit class submarine. I've seen and heard many stories/documentaries on the sinking of the Thresher but this particular one was really heartfelt. Rest in peace to the 129 men who perished with her.

@Edgar-kl6us 11 ай бұрын

Amen, …

@jshepard152 11 ай бұрын

Thank you for your service. It is appreciated.

@jarkieconqueso 7 ай бұрын

A friend's brother was on the Thresher when it went down when she was a senior in high school. It understandably halted the successful completion of her senior year.

@58efd Жыл бұрын

I remember as a child of 10yrs old, friends of my parents coming over, the woman crying to my mother and father that her son was on the Thresher, and he was gone or she may not have known at the time. I still remember the man and woman crying to my parents, and they having to console them. I'm 70 now and that still bothers me, through my life I always thought of the sailor, the poor young man that was on the Thresher. My mother and father are gone now so I have no idea what their last name was. It was a sad thing, that sailor's poor parents, I salute all 129 lost souls of the Thresher.

@jonathanstrong4812 Жыл бұрын

TERRIBLE

@pauljensen8781 Жыл бұрын

My father worked on the Theresher and was on it 2 days before it went down. He was an electrical engineer out of ONI in New Orleans. He lost friends and coworkers on that boat.

@tired_and_stressed 11 ай бұрын

I want to express my gratitude for your calm, professional demeanor. It is pleasant to listen to a lecture without the speaker forcing their "zanny" personality into the mix.

@elstongunn4277 11 ай бұрын

This is incredible to see so soon after the OceanGate submersible tragedy. The Thrasher was almost in the same spot when it imploded as the OceanGate was when it imploded. Funny how the Thrasher was so close to the Titanic remains, and didn’t even know it.

@Nunya111 11 ай бұрын

Daang that is an insane coincidence on both counts.

@zobblewobble1770 11 ай бұрын

Doubly ironic considering the Titanic was found because the guy tasked with searching for the Thresher had spare time after finding the Thresher (plus another lost sub) very quickly and had two leftover weeks in his expedition. The captain suspected Titanic was in the area, and found it in the remaining time. In a way, Thresher partly tied to the Oceangate disaster. if Thresher never sank, Titanic might not have been found, and the Oceangate would never have dived there in the first place.

@MLennholm 11 ай бұрын

It's _Thresher,_ not "Thrasher"

@billie-roseglenie2992 11 ай бұрын

@@zobblewobble1770 hey that's super interesting. I'm curious if you know the name of the other sub that went down?

@703051 11 ай бұрын

@@billie-roseglenie2992USS scorpion

@corvinredacted 10 ай бұрын

Something we don't often think about when considering incidents like this: a leak at these depths would cause a jet of water on par with a professional-grade pressure washer. A quick swipe from one of those can take toes and fingers clean off, even through shoes and gloves.

@moffatcam 7 ай бұрын

Correct. Unfortunately though, any leak at these depths would lead to the almost instantaneous implosion of the vessel. The only thing keeping the water out is the pressure inside. And if that vessel is compromised even slightly, you'll be mist before you can even blink. Edit: Oh I just watched the rest of the video and yeah... pretty much word for word 😅

@xponen 2 ай бұрын

@@moffatcam The leak could be due to a burst pipe and seal in the engine room, which would mean the pressure vessel remains intact but is losing buoyancy and sinking. In the instance of the USS Thresher, it descended an additional 600 feet beyond its test depth before imploding.

@hoaxial2090 Жыл бұрын

I served aboard SSBN-730 for roughly half a year and it was the most eerie feeling going down to the lower level in Machinery 2 and just feeling how cold it was down there. I could only imagine what they felt sinking so low and so quickly. I left the submarine community a few months ago and transitioned to a surface sailor but I always will remember my time aboard the HMJ.

@habels8478 Жыл бұрын

I live in Kittery. The shipyard where the Thresher was built is such a big part of our lives and growing up, we learned about it in school. The town flagpole was dedicated as a memorial to the Thresher, and it's as tall as the ship was long.

@daytonheywood1784 11 ай бұрын

129 feet for the 129 men

@USSLKA-116 Жыл бұрын

As a U.S. Navy Retired Surface Sailor Vet, I've always had and always will have a tremendous amount of respect for the sub fleet and its sailors.

@Chewy_GarageBandDad Жыл бұрын

Thank you for your service.

@kevincook1018 Жыл бұрын

I was a manager of the SUBSAFE Program from 1987 to 1998. This presentation is the most accurate of any others I have come across in recent years. A mistake often made is the theory of a silver brazed sea connected pipe joint failure is taken as fact. In reality we don't know that for sure - it is speculation.

@Kat-wu5kg 11 ай бұрын

The description of implosion at 20:40 is bone chilling, particularly after the Titan Submersible incident

@Dumbass112 11 ай бұрын

Welp… the algorithm has a sense of morbid humour right now.

@HuckleberryLover 11 ай бұрын

Not really. People are just watching this stuff more right now because of Titan.

@troysnyder3634 11 ай бұрын

Right, I just came from watching an informational video about the failed oceangate vessel. Wth is this!?

@gloobark 11 ай бұрын

i mean there's prob a huge surge in searches about submarines and it's just responding to that

@Jwalk0732 11 ай бұрын

@@troysnyder3634something far worse

@Blumidnyt 11 ай бұрын

I thought it was just me 😂

@crazybear4602 Жыл бұрын

Thank you for this. It was very well done. Tilmon Arsenault was my great Uncle and he was on the final voyage. Grampy said he was a genius who could build anything and had a wonderful sense of humor. Always wished I could have known him. ❤

@-JonnyBoy- 11 ай бұрын

"Lets do the first check of the max diving to 1300ft". Where should we do that test? "lets do it in 8500ft deep seas..."

@arianebolt1575 Ай бұрын

Any water that's open/calm at 1300 feet down is almost certainly deep enough to implode a submarine. Continental shelf depth is ~600ft max and the dropoff is severe.

@Anymouse6980 14 күн бұрын

The test areas are picked for many reasons. One I can think of (I am not a submariner or US Navy) is isolation away for other ships, boats, and aircraft. That would have indicated where the test on a new class of “boat” .For secrecy. Also, any depth of water has its’ risks.

@randyterwilliger7457 Жыл бұрын

I grew up in New London CT and had some school mates lose parents that were onboard as civilian contractors . I used to look out out kitchen window across the Thames River at General Dynamics the company that built the thresher . I ended up working there from 1975 to 1978 . The loss of the Thresher was something that was still felt when I worked there and the additional safety checks certainly have helped to prevent another tragedy . Another interesting story is the rescue of the crew from the Squalus via a experimental diving bell . My next door neighbors dad was in the last load brought up during the 13 hour attempt . Thirty three men were brought safely to the surface .

@Newt_Newt Жыл бұрын

A person I know watched the cars of the people in thresher being towed away. Terrible day in the history of subs and navy. So much has been put in place to ensure this does not happen again. But this was heartbreaking to learn about from coworkers in the shipyard. My respects to the families involved that lost loved ones. We will never forget Thresher and the lesson learned from it. May the sailors rest in piece. We wont forget you.

@KuostA Жыл бұрын

thats such a messed up visual ugh

@martinleavitt6094 11 ай бұрын

👍🇺🇲

@lurksnitchtongue8986 11 ай бұрын

This comment didn't age well

@CamMcGinn1981 11 ай бұрын

2 months after being dropped on KZfaq, this video has taken on a creepy relevance. Good work

@Mike-jw4xh Жыл бұрын

Served 21 yrs on 4 different subs over the yrs 70-91 SSBN subs. Aug of 71 while crossing bermuda triangle our SSBN 600 suffered a jam dive on stern planes, plunged from 155 ft to 600 feet super quick, at about 30 deg down angle. Believe me, there were some wide eyes in the crew as we held on for dear life sinking down at steep angle,, hearing the hull snap, crack compress as sea pressure squeezed. coffee cups, dishes, tools anything loose crashed down around us...Thank God the control rm party training kicked in and ordered emergency back on main engines, , emergency blow and our MBT tanks air blow valves did NOT freeze up since the loss of the thresher resulted in the sub safe designs saved lives many times over during the yrs. One of the scariest times can remember.

@susanbengston3208 Жыл бұрын

Whoa… so glad you all made it Home.

@KuostA Жыл бұрын

holyshit thats fucking scary as hell. how scared were u!??! did anyone panick/scream/freak out/yell in that moment at all? so glad youre ok

@davidwright9688 3 ай бұрын

I got my dolphins on the SSBN 601 (Robert E. Lee) in 1964, pre-subsafe. Did Nuc school, a tour on the Entemedor (SS 340) while they found a billet for me, and then the SSBN 642 (Bancroft) for about 7 patrols as an RO. Huge difference between the pre and post subsafe boats. Had to requalify on 3 boats in my time. Still hated going to test depth every patrol. On the Lee, the tiles on the missile compartment decks would fly up as we went down. I was in ET A school when we lost the Thresher, and on patrol when we lost Scorpion. Had some classmates on her. 1st Scorpion got cut in half during construction and renamed the SSBN 598 (George Washington). That 1st class of boomers were a challenge!

@Mike-jw4xh Ай бұрын

@@davidwright9688 Totally believable! On the 600 it was common to have minor flooding on the missile hatch rams in upper level, during deep dives. Ran around with the grease gun trying to stop leaks using 100psi air which plugged into the EAB ports.

@RCboyzTV Жыл бұрын

If anyone's interested in other Portsmouth Naval Shipyard mishap, check out the USS Miami dry-dock fire, caused by, no BS, a civilian employee that wanted to get out of work early to see his girlfriend. Spoiler alert: The damage was so bad, they ended up scrapping the submarine. The Lessons Learned on this one were... extensive. The Shipyard and the Navy in general, were not even CLOSE to prepared for a dry-dock fire. Now, they are. Unfortunately, sometimes you need to experience a catastrophe to figure out how to properly handle one.

@BobSmith-dk8nw Жыл бұрын

They lost an LHD in San Diego to a fire. The ship was going through a rebuild and didn't have much of a crew - that - and there was construction material aboard. They said that they would have had to delay building one of the new ones - in order for this one to occupy the space in the yard - so - with the cost of the rebuild - they got rid of it. .

@krashd Жыл бұрын

@@BobSmith-dk8nw I believe they originally blamed that fire on a disgruntled sailor also but in the end they couldn't conclusively prove it but they gave the commanding officer hell for being on the other side of the state while his ship was undergoing critical work that he should have been overseeing.

@NovemberOrWhatever Жыл бұрын

During WWII, the U.S. Navy was the best in the world at damage control. I'm sure there's quite some embarrassment to have a ship destroyed by a theoretically manageable fire. During peace time, the lives of the sailors are a lot more important than the physical ship, which will certainly hamper things, but it still shows how much of this is human factors more than any sort of unavoidable disaster.

@tcaprecap1448 Жыл бұрын

@@krashd No, it was conclusively proven that Casey James Fury, a 25 year old civilian contractor that was working on the sub, set 2 fires, one within the sub and one without. He himself led the investigators on a walk-through of the USS Miami and a sister sub to show them exactly where he set the fires. However, he claimed he set the fires because he was suffering "extremem anxiety" and wanted to leave work early, not that he wanted to see his girlfriend. He faced life in prison but got 17 years after a judge took his mental health issues into consideration. He was also fined $400 million dollars. He ttried to get a new trial in 2015, claiming ineffective counsel, substance abuse issues, and other mental health issues that weren't taken into consideration during his initial trial, but this was denied. His release date is ~2030.

@jamesstreet228 Жыл бұрын

@@NovemberOrWhatever We learned alot about fire fighting from the Forrestal fire. On a personal note, I lost a friend on the USS Stark when it was hit by 2 Exocet missiles. I've talked to several people that were on board during the incident and it was pure hell, literally. Although the sailors that survived got a great payout from the Iraqi government as, at the time, we were friendly with Saddam Hussein. I'm not sure what the families of those killed got but, whatever the amount, it can never be enough.

@kirbystarnino4199 Жыл бұрын

I was a Welder for the Navy for 2 years. The first day introduction is being introduced to the recorded sounds of the Thresher hitting its crush depth. You can literally hear the compartments imploding one section at a time as it slips further and further beneath its breaking point. Listening to that, knowing lives are being lost one section at a time can only equal to watching the planes hitting the World Trade Center. Where on 9/11 you watch, with the Thresher you listen. 😢

@Arcticun Жыл бұрын

For what it's worth, I don't think the recording is from the actual USS Thresher incident - but more likely a controlled scuttling that they tell you is the Thresher. A lot of my nuke friends have heard the same thing but going through what information is available, the only known "recording" of the event that SOSUS picked up is a lofargram currently being held at ONI and likely will be held there for a foreseeable future. It isn't uncommon for the US military to have such recordings and to make sure it has maximum emotional impact and consideration - tie it to a tragic event. So, if it may give some peace of mind, you most likely weren't listening to the actual event of the Thresher leaving on eternal watch as I don't believe there's an actual audio recording of it.

@whatdadogdoin8703 Жыл бұрын

May I ask where this audio clip is?

@arianebolt1575 11 ай бұрын

They make aspiring astronauts listen to the audio from Apollo 1.

@drobichaud1000 11 ай бұрын

shut up kirby

@arianebolt1575 11 ай бұрын

@@Arcticun Something similar happens to 911 operators. Look up Ruth Price.

@tomperkins5657 11 ай бұрын

My father was a subcontractor in designing reactors for subs back in the sixties. He was scheduled to go on the Thresher three months after it went down. There were a number of contractors that went down with that sub

@bargainbrandmusician 11 ай бұрын

the timing between this video getting recommended and recent world events (at time of writing) is unreal

@arfyness Жыл бұрын

mr immortar - in all of your videos, your careful and diligent approach to the technical and human elements involved, along with your respect and honor for all those lost to tragedy, put your work in my personal S-tier, put you among my most highly regarded creators. thank you for pouring so much into your work, for setting it free for us to learn, to reflect, to honor those lost, and to be inspired. ❤

@troodon3237 11 ай бұрын

Can't possibly imagine why youtube's algorithm suddenly decided to put this in my recommended videos....

@ChibiViolin 11 ай бұрын

The titan sub will be on this channel in 6 months

@sylentknight 11 ай бұрын

but here we are lol

@standingontheshouldersofgi5876 7 ай бұрын

@@ChibiViolinnorm spotted

@nanabutner Ай бұрын

It is ALWAYS proper and respectful to remember heroes! Say a prayer for those lost and their families because of the nightmare they have had to live with all these years, also thank GOD you weren’t one of the crew!

@FloridasYesteryear Жыл бұрын

My grandfather was a submariner in the 1950s and 1960s. It was classified stuff under the north pole. Obviously he wasn't on the Thresher but seeing this video does give me a deeper appreciation of what he did and what he had to deal with.

@jasonmcrisp Жыл бұрын

My first sub was the USS Permit. I served on her as a nuke MM while she was decommissioned at the Mare Island shipyard in the early 90's. Recently, I also worked at BWXT, where the memory of the Thresher still remains to this day. Excellent video.

@harrykrumpacker871 Жыл бұрын

I was stationed at an EOD Mobile Unit 15 on Mare Island 91-93. We used to to limpet searches on ships and subs there as part of our ongoing training. Water so filthy couldn't see your hand in front of your mask. They closed that place down I heard.

@JawsFan27 Жыл бұрын

Mare Island is a shell of it's former self. Pretty sad to see it.

@unbearifiedbear1885 Жыл бұрын

@@JawsFan27 many such cases 😪

@Chewy_GarageBandDad Жыл бұрын

Thank you for your service.

@garyrobb5341 Жыл бұрын

I was on the Permit, my fourth boat, in the 90’s when it was getting old, kinda dangerous, and less valuable. So more expendable. Did some pretty hairy ops. Retired at 16 years for health reasons.

@doobat708 Жыл бұрын

Can't imagine how terrifying it must've been to realise you're experiencing these failures at depths at which no one could possibly reach you...

@POPJack1717 Жыл бұрын

In that situation, I guess it would be comforting to know it would be a quick painless death. It would hurt more knowing people drowned and died a slow, painful death by drowning.

@Ryan-uh9le Жыл бұрын

@G P drowning is quick unless you're struggling with head above water

@WarFoxThunder Жыл бұрын

Indeed

@lisamariehorn 11 ай бұрын

Came here to watch this after the Titan implosion. Submarines and submersibles are high on my list of things I'll never do.

@michaelbarker3324 11 ай бұрын

Even in 1962 they were smart enough to at least have a rescue ship with a rescue device onboard this titanic thing is crazy that thing can't get air even on the surface??

@psl54rsniper Жыл бұрын

My aunts first husband is still on the Thresher I only herd her once talk about him she said he was a communication officer , she use to go to services once a year, she was one of the last wifes of the crew

@susanbengston3208 Жыл бұрын

May you and your Family Members rest assured, millions of Americans hold the Thresher and her Souls on board close in our hearts, we will never forget. In mutual Honor and Respect, We American Military Families.

@limabravo6065 Жыл бұрын

I attended college after I got out of the military and in a class studying the cold War, we looked at the thresher accident. One student was appalled that someone could just go get the nuclear material/ weapons still sitting in the wreck. To which our professor replied "it would be easier for an organization to recover material from the moon than from 8000 ft under water

@bobbycv64 Жыл бұрын

THANK YOU, excellent recording. I was USN AVIATION and is painful anytime anyone goes down with the ship. I know about THRESHER and the two SCORPIONS. Disasters make better ships. So sad, however, when the USA fails, we always come back with better and improved. THIS WAS AN AWESOME VIDEO. Finally, my Submarine Brothers, thank you for defending my SURFACE Navy. We are the same side and would be glad to give our lives for the other. Bobby Estey CV64 / IM1 - IM2 / 1977 - 1981

@RatusMax 11 ай бұрын

I'd rather try going into space than going anywhere underwater. I am here because of the Titan submarine. Just wondering what could have happened.

@K000H 11 ай бұрын

Same. For some reason all the ways to die up there doesn't bother me as much as sitting inside an imploding can at the bottom of the ocean. They are very similar, but only one gives me extreme anxiety.

@watchingreviews528 11 ай бұрын

Space doesn’t have a bunch of unknown creatures floating around.

@isaacsalume6287 11 ай бұрын

@@watchingreviews528 To the best of our knowledge, at least.

@deus_ex_machina_ 11 ай бұрын

@@K000H Look into r/thalassophobia

@pete5516 11 ай бұрын

@@deus_ex_machina_I don’t mean to be a negative Nelly but sometimes people can look into things without needing to put r/ in front of it. You do you tho!

@kittybitts567 Жыл бұрын

One of my nephews was a submariner in the U.S. Navy for most of his twenties. Another of my nephews works as an engineer in the DSRV program. God bless the souls of the men lost on the Thresher. May they rest in peace. May perpetual light shine upon them. May their souls and the souls of the faithful departed through the Mercy of God rest in peace, Amen.

@moosecat Жыл бұрын

There are a few answers to the question of, "Why didn't the Thresher conduct her deep dives in a shallower area?" --The first answer is, there really aren't that many spots where the ocean is only about 1,600 feet deep. The Western Atlantic (along the East Coast of the United States) has a very large "continental shelf" of water 600 feet deep or less. Once past the shelf, the proverbial bottom drops out, to a depth in excess of 8,000 feet. Since they needed to test the deep-diving characteristics, Thresher HAD to venture into deeper water. --Even if there was an area where the ocean floor was just below test depth, that doesn't mean the ENTIRE area is that way. Both the USS San Francisco and USS Connecticut ran into uncharted undersea mounds while travelling at depth; although both boats made it home, there were injuries, and at least one fatality. --The previous class of attack submarines was the Skipjack (SSN-585) class; their test depth was 700 feet. Thresher's test depth was nearly double that; which was definitely a big step. The building of the subs outpaced the rest of the Navy.

@Skinflaps_Meatslapper Жыл бұрын

Those collisions happened in the South Pacific where islands and seamounts can sometimes pop up seemingly overnight, with widely variable depths and underwater terrain throughout (though it doesn't particularly excuse their collisions). The continental shelf between North Carolina and Florida has a step that would've suited the test well, though it would've been twice the distance added to the test. There's a huge swath of sea floor that slopes from 800ft to 3,800ft, with very few seamounts and inconsistencies in depth, and that much was known at the time. With a crush depth of 2,000ft and a test depth of 1,300ft, they could've found an area that would have allowed them a safe margin for navigation as well as a sea floor "safety net" above crush depth. Whether that would've changed anything at all is unlikely. An implosion could potentially have been prevented, but with the theorized manner in which it was stricken, all that really means is they would've likely died in a far more tortuous manner instead. Rapidly heading backwards and down to the sea floor, it would have been an unrecoverable collision and the damage sustained would've sealed their fates on impact. We might have known more about what caused it had it happened in shallower waters, maybe recovered the crew for proper burial and possibly the reactor or the sub itself, but I doubt it would've done anything about the loss of life.

@josephrogers5337 Жыл бұрын

The depth of the ocean increases dramatically past the edge of the contential shelf and the average of the depth of the ocean is about 12,000 feet deep. Only seamounts (guyots) pop up around the ocean to have about 300 feet to the surface. The depth of the DSRV1 was about 3500 feet and the second one 5000 feet. The rumor was the navy got a deeper research vessel by getting the funding by calling them sub rescue vessel,.

@marklemaster4707 11 ай бұрын

My uncle John, was one of the divers on this missing sub!! My uncle was coast guard!! I've had him tell me this story which happened way before I was born, I was born in 82!! My uncle is a hero!!

@daren7889 11 ай бұрын

He sure was! GO NAVY!

@tomlouie2855 11 ай бұрын

This episode is even more chilling in light of the current events of the Titan submersible disappearing.

@JayMumper Жыл бұрын

In the last year I learned of my father's work engineering the electrostatic air cleaning system of the Thresher. Among his papers was his invitation to the christening from the Secretary of the Navy. Unfortunately he passed away in 2017 so I could not ask him about his experience. Most of the details of the tragedy were kept secret so I appreciate your research and presentation via this video.

@zehfox2719 Жыл бұрын

I’ve mentioned this story briefly on other videos that covered this. My grandfather was a submarine commander during the 60s and, according to him (and I have no reason to not believe him), he knew (acquaintance) the commander of the Thresher, but the day before it left port and sank, he got violent food poisoning or some kind of illness, so they called in a relief one. One of those weird instances where someone gets saved from disaster by what seems like a miracle.

@LieseFury Жыл бұрын

how much of a miracle was it really? the relief commander died because someone else got sick.

@LiamHolloway Жыл бұрын

@@LieseFury miracle for the one guy, terrible turn of events for the relief.

@Syclone0044 Жыл бұрын

@@LieseFury Exactly. That’s just “God” - takes all the credit for successes, none of the responsibility for any failures. Ask your browser “WhyWontGodHealAmputees”?

@ng4318 Жыл бұрын

@@Syclone0044 lol I'm not a religious person at all but even a religious zealot shouldn't be expecting something like a limb to grow back, please stop trying to force your nombeliefs onto believers the same way you don't like them preaching to you.

@VaughanMcCue Жыл бұрын

@@Syclone0044 Because gods are made in men's IMaGinations

@IrishTechnicalThinker 11 ай бұрын

Ever since the Titan imploded I've been obsessed with submarines.

@Phoenixstorm36 11 ай бұрын

The case of rhe Kursk is also fascinating.

@horusfalcon 11 ай бұрын

The only survivor of the Thresher disaster was Lt. Raymond McCoole, RC Division Officer. He was ordered off the boat to tend to a family emergency two hours before she set sail. He had previously served with distinction on USS Nautilus as a Chief Petty Officer, and, before he retired from active service, reached the rank of Lt. Commander. He passed away on New Year's Day in 2005, aged 75, to join the rest of Thresher's crew on Eternal Patrol.

@JoltCola 11 ай бұрын

@horusfalcon That is a complete lie. The Lt. DID NOT survive the disaster because he was not actually in the Thresher when she imploded. Your own words state "He was ordered off the boat". In case you do not understand what you typed; it means Lt. McCoole was somewhere on land above crush depth when the rest of the crew perished. I am quite sure that Lt. McCoole would have been somewhat infuriated at any suggestion that he was the "Sole Survivor" of the Thresher tragedy. Maybe he suffered from guilt and depression because of the circumstances of that day. Perhaps you should have considered that before you posted such a ludicrous statement.

@L.A.S._productions 11 ай бұрын

Thanks for this additional story, may they rest in peace

@olliefoxx7165 11 ай бұрын

@JoltCola Why are you so bent out of shape? They shared a story about a person escaping a tragic fate and you argue semantics. Why?

@JoltCola 11 ай бұрын

@@olliefoxx7165 "Bent out of shape"? "Semantics"? Would it be "semantics" if I were to claim that I am the "sole survivor" of Flight 93 because I got stuck in traffic due to oversleeping? How about Joe Biden is the "sole survivor" from the Lusitania because he missed ships movement due to Corn Pop and the bad dudes? I believe it matters that people DO NOT mis-state information in regards to history, especially when the individual in the statement is deceased and unable to confirm or refute the statement.

@horusfalcon 8 ай бұрын

@@JoltCola Maybe you should ease up on the caffeine just a touch? He was aboard, and was set to go to sea when he was ordered ashore, and that's the only reason he survived. By all accounts, he did go through some survivor's guilt, but he, to his credit, kept on going, kept on living, and kept on serving. Stop making mountains out of molehills, son, and get a life.

@terrymoorecnc2500 Жыл бұрын

No mention of Rickover. ADM Rickover was instrumental in righting the Navy's path during the 60's. As a former X31 machinist I can tell you that what came from both the loss of Thresher and Scorpion influenced submarine design for decades. All these boats back then were designed on the "board". Their designers were talented but methods and materials change over time as do manufacturing techniques. Modern Navy construction is several levels beyond Thresher and Scorpion and accelerating. What's amazing to me is how much stuff that was classified back in the day is now out of the bag.

@stargazer5784 Жыл бұрын

Rickover initiated the Subsafe program because the losses mentioned, if i remember correctly. This basically encompassed double and triple checking every weld, seam, joint, etc. with no detail being too small to ignore. Can you imagine the absolute rage that he must have expressed after these losses? He didn't tolerate fools well, or incompetence. I wouldn't have wanted to even be in the same zip code as him during one of his infamous temper outbursts. All of that being said, his actions no doubt saved countless other sailors from a similar fate.

@MrTruckerf Жыл бұрын

You think it should have been classified forever? Good grief, it's been 60 years.

@Gunners_Mate_Guns Жыл бұрын

@@stargazer5784 It must have been hell to work for Admiral Rickover, but his demands for perfection doubtless ensured that thousands of sailors stayed alive, and it's unquestionable that his watchful eye contributed greatly to a win in the Cold War. You can also bet that the entire submarine fleet was glad to have such a stern man running the show. Our military of today can only hope to have flag officers of his caliber.

@daren7889 11 ай бұрын

Actually my father was a former US Navy officer and scientist. Dad helped build the very first Atomic Reactors for Submarines Admiral Rickover's program! Westinghouse Corporation. I was only a little kid in 1963, but I clearly remember the USS Thresher ! Dad and the people who worked with at his company were very, very concerned about the date of the USS Thresher! Unfortunately, that Submarine imploded and 129 sailors perished ! GO NAVY! ⚓⛵🌅⛵⚓🇩🇪🇨🇭🇺🇲💙💙💙💙💙

@daren7889 11 ай бұрын

FATE of the Thresher!

@mr10ts 11 ай бұрын

This video made me feel a lot less optimistic about the ocean gate submersible

@22noobtube 11 ай бұрын

They’re ducked

@dougnoble7182 11 ай бұрын

I worked for a company that provided instrumentation on the Thresher. I visited it at Kittery to repair some damage from its testing.I was to join it for what was it's last voyage, but was called of a few days before. My heart goes out to the families of the soul on board

@johnmcclintock4482 Жыл бұрын

Almost 40 yrs since an up close and personal with the failure of a Thresher-inspired sub-safe relay. Still gives me the willies. RIP officers and crew of the USS Thresher and USS Scorpion.

@randommindz6782 11 ай бұрын

The Titan's debris was discovered a couple days ago. When the news shared about the building of this submersible I thought to myself "clearly the CEO never cared for history let alone safety."

@Gendo. 11 ай бұрын

I really appreciate the way you listed the crews names at the end.

@desmofan1864 Жыл бұрын

The loss of the Thresher is forever engrained in my head from our SUBSAFE qualification/re-qual classes. And folks on the outside wondered why I took my job as a machinist so seriously. Great documentary!

@ruthieclarke9125 11 ай бұрын

As horrible this incident was your voice makes it so much easier to understand. RIP to those who perished. Substandard is never acceptable when it comes to human lives.

@Me2Lancer 11 ай бұрын

During June 1962 I served on USS Bushnell AS-15 in Key West, Florida. During that time USS Thresher SSN-593 operated in the waters off the Florida Keys when at sea. Learning of Thresher's loss a few months later was devastating.

@lolababs206 11 ай бұрын

Wow, thank you for your input. What scary but valuable experience/history.

@stephensarkany3577 11 ай бұрын

Was stationed on the floating drydock SanOnofre ARD30 in the 80's. We docked 594 (I believe it was the Permit) at least once. The writing on most submarine memorials reads "all hands lost", thanks guys for being the point of the spear, I hope you are never forgotten.

@stephensarkany3577 8 ай бұрын

Also remember docking the Barb, Blueback, and Pollack, the Blueback being the last operational diesel sub. I was able to look through the torpedo tube when walking on a scaffold, when it was open for some reason. Unlike the 594 class, the tube was straight out the front as there wasn't a sonar array & fiberglass radome like the later subs.

@Youbetternowatchthis 11 ай бұрын

It really looks like we really learned from this. Very unfortunately though not everyone did. These kinds of topics fascinate me, but also send shivers down my spine. Serving in a submarine really is something else. All the best to every seaman out there. Come back safe.

@stevedilucido3060 11 ай бұрын

I can only imagine what those men felt- they had to watch as they slowly dropped below their maximum depth. Imagine watching that needle amd digits with no ability to stop it.

@richardfitzwell6579 Жыл бұрын

The Thresher is still talked about to this day at PNSY. Gone but never forgotten.

@craigpridemore7566 Жыл бұрын

Thank you for including Taps and the names. It matters.

@colinkennedy1061 Жыл бұрын

My grandmother was engaged to a sailor on the Thresher. When she sank, they were two months away from their wedding. God bless all who were lost on that fateful day and their families. Thankfully due to this accident there has never been another due to extensive safety protocols and diligence, may another never be lost.

@MT-gv8ns Жыл бұрын

From Sub-School in New London to sea trials off Portsmouth and on patrols, the Thresher and Scorpion were always somewhere in our thoughts. This post was intelligently and respectfully done. Bravo Zulu

@rfjohnson69 Жыл бұрын

To this day I remember when this story was related to me in Nuclear Power School (technically A school, but same campus and pre nuke school) in the late 80s. My MM1 instructor walked us through everything that happened and it impacted so many lessons that no book would ever teach us. As a 19YO you don't think about this kind of thing, but after that class I will never forget both the sacrifice of those submariners but also the horror of how they died.

@Thadude701 Жыл бұрын

I went to sub school in Groton during the winter ,damage control training was tough in that freezing water .

@Chewy_GarageBandDad Жыл бұрын

Thank you for your service.

@RailPreserver2K Жыл бұрын

I think Robert Ballard was the one the Navy ask to find Scorpion and thresher, a lot of what he did searching for those subs was what he later used to find Titanic the same year

@henrickrw 11 ай бұрын

Me watching all this crazy stuff after Ocean Gate Titan submersible implotion. Damn

@grunk8052 11 ай бұрын

Brought here by the algorithm from the SeaGate incident

@dixonuranus8099 4 ай бұрын

OceanGate*

@johnclutter4427 Жыл бұрын

MY father was an IC aboard the USS COMPASS ISLAND (AG-153) which supported the Polaris Missile Program. He was trained to calibrate the SINS (Ships Inertial Navigation System) aboard the subs in the program. He had orders in hand to go aboard the Thresher for Sea Trials, but a friend with the same training asked if he could take his place as he had family in the Boston area. They went together to the CO to have the orders changed. I believe that decision could have influenced my future and birth in May of 1962 as a twist of fate in the request of the other sailor who signed onto the THRESHER in August of 1961. My father was teaching an electronics course at Great Lakes when I was born and I was less than a year old at the time of the THRESHER tragedy. I feel a deep sorrow for those lost and the families who's lives were tragically altered by the THRESHER disaster.🙏