Lmao 🤣

first thing i thought of is that family guy bit where bin laden accepts christ the second before he dies lol

oh hell no🤣🤣🤣🤣

@@Crusty783 I also thought of it as I was writing lol

Certain sects of Protestantism in a nutshell:

*Insert Zane telling Lloyd of the crimes she did* (from an animation I watched)

Literally the ending of The Angry Birds Movie 2 and Harumi’s arc in Crystalized in a nutshell (At least Harumi can be implied arrested. Zeta literally got off scot free. Too bad both Zeta’s redemption and the execution of Harumi’s redemption were completely dog water.)

yea baby yeeehheaaa

@@Butterflygirl659 I’m good with the why, I’m not good with the pacing. The pacing of Harumi’s redemption was complete rubbish. But what am I talking about? Crusty’s gonna come to this thread and say “It’s ok, she’s with us”. And if he’s not going to say it. Someone else will

​@@BirdDucki watched that too

Love how many times this appeared in the comments lol

@@kierahenley2335 It’s appeared so much. But it’s ok, she’s with us (And she has good music too)

dawg what people have BEEN calling her out 😭😭

@@ge3344Yes, but those people tend to get hit with the “she’s been redeemed!” and “she’s good now!” Plus no body in the actual show ever calls her out, it got swept aside in Crystalized. Hell we don’t even get an actual answer as to whether or not she’s going to jail. It was left up to interpretation 😂

@@missing_name I'm not talking about characters in-show or her apologizers. I'm talking about the droves of fans who have viewed her as a villain since s8 dropped. I never said "everyone" was calling her out; I said "people"

Excuses me EdgardoJCruz she was lost her parents by great devourer try thinking about her pain and then talk about nonsense

@@DarkMidnightTwiChamille LMAO 💀

Well. Had the pacing not been as bad, and had there not been as much crap to juggle. It would actually be ok

Shut up 😭

That is irrelevant

That's pretty bad

​@@StevenJones851it's okay now tho, she's with us now

@@IdkIdk-vm4dm yeah but she still did a lot of bad stuff that's not easy to redeem

@@StevenJones851 oh yeah 100%. I was just jumping onto the meme bandwagon, "she's with us now" . She shouldn't have been let off so easy and they could have done her redemption better, but hey, it is what it is unfortunately

@@IdkIdk-vm4dm yeah unfortunately her redemption won't happen in a much better way

I know right!! People think they are a good ship but I keep reminding them NO! Harumi is toxic towards Lloyd and just abused Lloyd's emotions. Its SUPER frustrating

People in abusive relationships who suffer mental and physical pain from their partner almost always defend them with the same words: I love him/her and I can fix him/her because “I can do it”. (But in most cases the relationship does not change and remains that way). I really feel bad that Crystallized sent such an awful (and dangerous) message: stay in cruel and abusive relationship because what matters is that "you love" your partner and just hope that they “maybe” change.

The Owl House handles it much better.

ikr so mean of her

@@Crusty783she was just feeling a bit silly 😜

Yeah its so bad

shes literally with us i dont even see what the problem is🙄

Maybe because… oh I don’t know… she BLEW UP A LOT OF CRAP! (Seriously. Harumi’s redemption was screwed up so much. Now not only does Harumi in universe need a proper redemption arc, but the character herself needs a redemption in show)

@@Crusty783 me neither brother, Me neither.

@@IsleofPigsStudios I mean that would be great and then wouldn’t mind seeing that but after all she had done I kinda just want her to rot in jail. She is way to far gone.

@@IsleofPigsStudiosshes with us tho

Which villains didn't did this lol morro was tortured him either

Just shows how poorly written she is, if you ask me.

When Harumi finds out that the Devourer was unleashed by Pythor… let’s just say she might try to add another count of murder to her list

@@IsleofPigsStudios she’d hit herself in the head for working with the serpentine who released the great snake

@@LegoReader12345hello With a rubber hose. Then using a metal pipe on Pythor

Shouldnt even blame all of the ninjas, maybe just Lloyd cause he was the one who started the proces of freeing the serpentine. Though he was just a kid without any care taker

Arins gonna be the next harumi I'm just saying

You know… you’re right… maybe a proper Harumi redemption could involve Arin in some way (As they both lost their parents, but went down different paths)

Hey isle, the reason why arin turned out the way he is that he’s not certain they are dead unlike with Harumi’s and also to add Arin grew up eh not fancy but had close care, while Harumi lacked that care and had empty riches. Maybe he’s the only way to salvage Harumi after Tommy left that joke of an “arc”, also it’s sad that avatar harumi actual had more time to sound sorry and would have been better if they didn’t touch her arc if they clearly didn’t care enough.

And this is why Arin is a better character then Harumi. Cause he doesn’t blame the ninja for his parents loss for any bs reason.

@@IsleofPigsStudios Part of me wants to see those two meet in particular, but part of me also wants to forget Harumi was brought back and pretend that Crystalized just isn't canon, so...

I mean, Garmadon, Morro, and Unagami have all also done terrible things, and yet they were redeemed. I don’t see why the same can’t be said for Harumi.

its okay though shes with us

@@skylord1846 Because most of these had reasons unagami was sad beacuse he was abandoned and all he wantd was sto find Milton (his creator) garmadon never got any choice Well morro just wanted to be green ninja so I gusee you're rigth

The same place where good writers were when The Angry Birds Movie 2 was being written. Nowhere to be seen

@@IsleofPigsStudios 💀

@@Caramel.Pretzel Dude, you should have figured it out by now that I hate that movie. Seriously, I couldn’t stop myself at all in the comments section or during the premiere

@@IsleofPigsStudios First of all: I didn't say anything bad 💀 is just my laughing emoji. Second of all: Didn't I find you on another video?

@@Caramel.Pretzel First of all, Yes. I was on another video. Second of all. I thought you had a negative opinion on what I said, hence the skull and not the usual laughing emoji

The thing is. Pythor in Tournament 1. Only helped the good guys to get rid of the fakes. And 2. Pythor’s arc in Tournament was probably paced. Harumi’s redemption 1. Came out of nowhere due to horrible pacing. And 2. Was a part of a very much messily written and controversial Ninjago season.

@IsleofPigsStudios Well, I think the pacing was pretty bad for both of them, and Pythor at the end of rebooted and at the start of toe were almost two completely different personalities. And the fact that Harumi is a more controversial character (in a contraversial season) shouldn't influence the fact that her sudden change is seen as way worse than Pythor's.

@@JuwGus I’m not sure if you will agree… but I think Zeta (The Angry Birds Movie 2) had a worse redemption arc both of them. She only changed sides because Debbie could have died and that Mighty Eagle made up for his mistake. Zeta gets zero consequences. At least with Harumi in Crystalized you can imply that she was arrested. Zeta got nothing. Pythor was rewarded by the generals because he helped fight the imposters, and Harumi had a valid reason for snapping. Zeta gets no excuse for getting off scott free.

@@JuwGus yeah i agree her redemption arc could have done well if the episodes were 22mins long, her redemption arc in Crystalized was not greatly executed they could have done better if they would show Harumi redeeming herself over the course of the episodes as a side plot since the episodes are gonna be 22mins long then I think that satisfy everyone ( I really hope i don't get hate for saying this 😰) deep down Harumi is a good person deep deep down, it feels like her turning against the overlord was a step in the right direction and hopfully a possible start to her redemption arc if she appears again in like later seasons in Dragons Rising like season 3 or 4 what do u think?

@adenweiner5573 yeah, I agree with a lot of your points.

In my opinion it was the pacing that ruined Crystalized… said pacing also ruined Harumi’s character in that season as well.

FR!!!

@@Crusty783i hope she never reveal in the next season

Hi isle, I like to ask crusty and daily personally if Tommy cared enough making crystalized to which I say no. Since if Garmadon and a plant arc did ok, why not a redemption for Harumi where she turns herself in exchange for ninja being pardoned.

I say they did care… but production messed everything up. You know what is something the writers didn’t care about when making? The Angry Birds Movie 2.

She better be dead the next time I see her in the show.

Yes, but there gona to be dead 😅.

Expose all of Harumi’s crimes!!!!

After defeating the Overlord Harumi should have just really left

I personally think Harumi’s redemption would have been better had the pacing of Crystalized not been as garbage as it is. Had Crystalized been a 22 Minute episode season, then the Pacing wouldn’t have been as terrible

@@IsleofPigsStudios yess her redemption arc could have done well if the episodes were 22mins long, her redemption arc in Crystalized was not greatly executed they could have done better if they would show Harumi redeeming herself over the course of the episodes as a side plot since the episodes are gonna be 22mins long then I think that satisfy everyone ( I really hope i don't get hate for saying this 😰) deep down Harumi is a good person deep deep down, it feels like her turning against the overlord was a step in the right direction and hopfully a possible start to her redemption arc if she appears again in like later seasons in Dragons Rising like season 3 or 4 what do u think?

@@adenweiner5573 Hopefully the pacing isn’t as bad and Harumi has a proper redemption arc…… at least she had a better redemption arc than Zeta

Phythor in the bg whistling

Good idea. And as for her relationship with Luh-Lloyd, I suggest making it a friendly rivalry. That way they can be on good terms (Post-Crystallized), but still trying to one up each other

its okay shes with us tho

@@Crusty783 It’s true. She helped. Not as much as Garmadon did perhaps but why argue over details

Now could someone bring a speaker? I kinda wanna listen to Harumi’s theme again

you think she has a bank account full of money on account of being a princess?

@@Crusty783 Yes.

@@ZeroJumpwhy would Ninjago's government keep a bank account for someone who's been dead for years and tried to take over the city? Harumi has no heir so her assets would likely go to the government anyways (escheated), and thats not even considering the fact that she was a terroist. source: www.schwab.com/learn/story/estate-planning-people-with-no-heirs#:~:text=%22With%20no%20will%20or%20next,to%20them%2C%22%20Bob%20says.

@lucaganz7619 Thats why I said in a save

⁠@@ZeroJumpshe broken the law her adopted parents are dead After her death all she have burned she must be stole She must be punished

Well… the pacing didn’t make it ok. Harumi needs some time to get a proper redemption.

Also, Lloyd and Harumi should stay as friendly rivals is we see them paired up again. It would keep them on friendly terms without making them a couple.

@@IsleofPigsStudios but she’s with us so it’s ok

@@Tristler I believe you. I’m just salty about the pacing of the season

@@IsleofPigsStudios i’m jk i hate the execution and pacing of her arc lmao

Agreed

fr

That’s something I always wondered to myself.

"The Geckles and Munce are simple creatures. Easy to deceive. And I knew they would blame each other." Vangelis clearly sees the Munce and Geckles as inferior creatures and the awakened don't have any muscles, which makes them delicate with mining

@@LB_the_Creator Ah, okay. That makes sense.

​@LB_the_Creator also there are more of geckles and munces than the skeletons, so it's more efficient to have the huge number of slaves mine while the few skeletons oversee it than a few skeleton mining.

Did that happen, I can't really remember.

​@@RandomChangelingNo, Did not happen

No that did happen I remember that

I haven’t seen it yet but don’t u think that is kind of tense for a kids show

show needed to do a better job communicating this then

TRUE

yess her redemption arc could have done well if the episodes were 22mins long, her redemption arc in Crystalized was not greatly executed they could have done better if they would show Harumi redeeming herself over the course of the episodes as a side plot since the episodes are gonna be 22mins long then I think that satisfy everyone ( I really hope i don't get hate for saying this 😰) deep down Harumi is a good person deep deep down, it feels like her turning against the overlord was a step in the right direction and hopfully a possible start to her redemption arc if she appears again in like later seasons in Dragons Rising like season 3 or 4 what do u think?

@@adenweiner5573 I agree, had the pacing in Crystalized not been as bad, Harumi could have had a better redemption. We need to see a proper Harumi redemption. One of the other comments on this video gave me the idea of having Arin be Harumi’s equivalent to Vinny

@@IsleofPigsStudios omg like he (Arin) would guide harumi towards the right path or something that would be sooo cool to see in Dragons Rising do u think Haurmi will appear again in the new series?

@@adenweiner5573 I don’t really know. They wouldn’t put her in right away, after the reception of Crystalized (Or as I call it: Controversialized). But she still has plenty of fans, and she needs a proper redemption arc because the pacing of the Crystalized redemption ain’t going to cut it

@@IsleofPigsStudios yeah i agree when i was talking about bringing her back i was like thinking season 3 or 4 and imo by the time they get to it people might change their minds on Harumi and maybe more people would want her back then before people chance their minds all the time the backslash from Crystalized would have probably died down by then with just questions on where the remaining characters aka Harumi are so they might bring her back for this reason to answer these questions what do u think? P.S Controversialized 😅🤣 love it! that's so funny cause its so true

Perfectly in character for her.

​@@BvelociraptorProductionsfr considering the fact that lloyd literally used to simp for in sog in still does

Probably someones head canon

Catra's thing seems more complicated. The Owl House seems to do it really well.

@@dylansharp8471 yep. Amity and Hunter aren’t war criminals

Ah well. It’s ok anyway. Garmadon and Harumi are with us

which villain would you like to see?

@@Crusty783 OOOOOOOOOOOOOOHH MY GOD I didn't expect you to actually respond. Maybe Nadakhan because how unhinged he and his plan are (Skybound was crazy in general and that's why I love it). Or Pythor because Harumi forgot he released The Devourer but hated the ninja who tried to stop it at least. Or better, the ninja themselves to see if Harumi was right on how inefficient they were

That is literally everyone in The Angry Birds Movie 2 after Zeta’s “Redemption”

which makes no sense because in the oni trylogi she did NOT have any feelings towards him

DANG IT LEGO!

I was actually hoping the same thing when the sets were revealed. I was so wrong

its okay though she's with us

that games soundtrack is absolutely GOATED. i gotta use it more in my videos!

real!!!

No. Not really. Cause personally, I thought she was a terrible character to begin with.

I found her to be incredibly compelling and one of Ninjagos best villains until Crystalized. Her death and realisation that she screwed up, became the very thing she hates and cant do anything about it was devestating.

​@@skylord1846She wasn't a compelling character like everyone says she was. She was an unhinged girl who had an unreasonable grudge against the ninja, and had no good reason to want to kill many people all because the ninja failed to save her parents, who they didn't even know died. I feel like Lloyd pointed out the main reason her character didn't make sense: She was causing many deaths, causing people to be broken like her. I think one of the few things that made sense with Harumi was when she attacked the crystal king after learning he corrupted the devourer.

@@BvelociraptorProductions That is True. She’s so inconsistent with the show. I feel likes the writers have no clue on what they want to do with her. Is she good or not? Does she want peace or not? Does she love Lloyd or not? Like make up your mind already. Harumi wants peace so what does she do? She resurrects a powerful Oni Dragon hybrid warlord and has him attack a city and destroys several buildings. Wow, that’s pretty peaceful. Lloyd even calls her out on it to. At least Harumi attacking the Overlord makes sense.

@@skylord1846 That's why I want her in Dragons Rising at some point. Her character could use lots of improvement.

She came back after Garmadon was defeated but in the eyes of Ninjago's Government, authorities and the Ninja she was dead.

literally all they had to do to fix that plothole is have harumi buy all her stuff using her infinite supply of crystals. people love gemstones

@@Crusty783 yes, but what about my second theory that Overlord invested on bitcoin in 2009?

Check mate atheist's

@@glukko8245i mean harumi had a massive computer in the oni temple, the NFTs must have been stored on that

Yea. Maybe she did, if what Tommy said about the Council being arrested also applied to her. If only we saw that in the actual season but NO! We had to get newspaper stuff over proper closure for the council. It hurts because I like Crystalized too.

@@IsleofPigsStudios fair enough tbh

@@gigikju9934 But it’s ok anyway. She’s with us. And she’s got banger music with us too

real!

we'll knock one of the 30+ bare minimum people she killed off the list then

I disagree. Incredible character in S8-9 completely letdown by a horrendous portrayal in S15

@@Crusty783 Why would Harumi just bring back Garmadon knowing he would kill hundreds of people? She even suggested that he create a giant stone monster to terrorize the civilians. Lloyd himself pointed out why her plan didn't make any sense. Besides, her writing was weird. It definitely showed in her dialogue that she is only a teenager. Probably one of the most annoying villains in the show. Annoying and evil, I should add.

@@BvelociraptorProductionsThe point of Harumi's character in S8-9 is that she lost sight of her original intentions as she let her hatred of Lloyd take over and cloud her judgement. At the end, she realises how badly she screwed up as the product of her hatred causes her to die exactly like her parents did

@@Crusty783 The thing is, she's not as poetic or deep as characters like Walter White or Darth Vader. In fact, I find her more annoying than compelling. The writers never seemed to know what to do with her. Her fake romance with Lloyd was awful. And people overrate her, saying that she had this wonderful character story when she was only the main villain for one season, then became kinda generic in the next. Garmadon was more complicated and interesting, up until s8, which reversed all his character development. He had a satisfying conclusion in s5, so turning him back into a villain did so much damage to Ninjago's best character. Going back to harumi, her betrayal was ruined by us learning she was evil before Lloyd did. Also her screaming dramatically and acting unhinged was actually kinda funny, because it felt like an emo girl trying to get attention from her peers. And her death, with the building crumbling, tried too hard to be emotional that it actually got funny, in a really dark way. Crystalized didn't do much to improve her character, but I don't consider her a good character anyway, so that doesn't matter to me. Plus, when she betrayed the overlord, it was the only thing done with her that proved she had even one ounce of brainpower. And by the way, her "Never anything between us" quote, among others, wasn't dramatic or powerful. Just corny.