I mean it would make sense, Lordaeron was a human city, and would probably have had a chapel of the light inside. Seeing it perverted with Void imagery would have been cool af.

The whole city is one big fat shadowy church quarter imo.

@@jeremyabbott4537 well, everything above ground in the city is ruined, and all the underground stuff was built by the undead, hence no former churches of the light

Now I wonder why there's no church in Capital City

Maybe Sylvanas didn't want religion competing with her cult of personality? Even in TBC (when I started playing) the Forsaken have a cult of personality if their "dark lady watch over you" line is anything to go by.

Ez, play outlaw rogue

Hunters would like to copyright you.

*a priest

Than also holy Word handgranade

@@xxsafaron3358 you have nades in engineering. But you can't have a holy nade - that's for worms!

First step: pick a race that fits the theme; Barbie Elves are not intimidating. Undead, Troll or Mag'har Orc, or hell even Nightborne if you must play an elf.

Undead Barbie goth elves with long hair draping over their face, there you go

@@cabrondemente1 Void Elf, got it. The closest to the void as possible.

That's weird. Lore is kinda inherently vague and ambiguous, folklore/word-of-mouth style

Varian Wrynn's story from the WoW comics

Twilight's Hammer would be interesting, because I don't think I ever fully learned why they were formed, when, who all their leaders were (I just know of Cho'gall) or what kind of influence they had on the Horde and Alliance.

It would be cool if you could to a Tauren thing

More priest stuff!

I love your videos man, thanks for this. Will you be doing new expansions lore? I stopped playing after Pandaria and have been mostly lost with all the new races and developments. Also, could you do a playlist or series like in order of each expansion and what the story or stories are for each of them?

The whole "b-b-but we are the original inhabitants of Lordaeron" excuse doesn't hold water considering as an UD player you purge all the non-UD former citizens of Lordaeron in the Eastern Kingdoms, as well as attacking the humans of the other Human kingdoms. They also killed BASED Garithos, the former Grand Marshall of the Lordaeron army. Never mind the fact that even in vanilla WoW the Forsaken see "life" as a disease and are working on a plague to "rescue" everyone from their ultimate death. There is a reason they start off with neutral with the rest of the horde. The Forsaken are a dangerous abomination and need to be purged from the lands of Azeroth as proven by their actions not just in classic but in later expansions. No amount of mental gymnastics can change the fact that they are in the wrong.

@@HYDRAdude The forsaken had to push them out because they would attack them anyways. The world sees the forsaken as an abomination, but if they were in their shoes, they would see why they do what they do. Read the pre-bfa book "before the storm" by Christie Golden. It tells the story of Calia Menethi's understanding of the forsaken people, and even becoming undead in the process. Not forsaken undead though.

Idk about scott free, 90% of the high born population died to the scourge, and they corrupted themselves with fel magic.

They really fumbled sylvanas story

@@HYDRAdude What if they are in the right? what if life is a disease?

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You ruined my day, thanks

If you were in my guild, I'd ban you for that joke.

So... Nobbxiol?

@@xylisisvarlett3734 Nixxibbel

I never thought of plat like that but I love it. Nixx was king of the wow machinima silver age.

Well vanilla lore was all about nostalgia for the Warcraft RTS games.

@@Dularr And HUGE and I mean HUGE inspirations from DnD and Warhammer universes. WoW took so many things from them.

@@Sioolol and from just about everything else. Of course, I believe, Blizzard was going to licenses the Warhammer IP for the Warcraft RTS games. Luckily for Blizzard that deal fell through.

@@Dularr if you consider that Blizzard started working on WoW before even releasing WC1 then I guess it's kinda reversed

Owie the edge hurts

Anyone else find it funny that Forsaken is somewhat synonymous with what draenei apparently means? Like there are two ways to go in life I guess.

Im pretty much sure kiljaedan extracted the blade from the shadowlands (just like he did with frostmourne and the helm of domination) and gave it to guldan. That would be my guess

@@Nighttimeqt1 But why would an object related to the Old Gods (or at least related to imprisoning them) come from the Shadowlands? As far as I can understand, since the Shadowlands exist on another plane of reality, and since the Old Gods are obsessed with taking over the physical universe, the Shadowlands probably don't have much, if anything to do with Old Gods. Still, Ardenweald is connected to the Emerald Dream, and that was able to be corrupted by Old God influence, so maybe Shadowlands denizens are more familiar with Old God stuff than I would think, but I suspect they don't have any Old Gods living in that astral realm. If anything, Shadowlands beings probably only care about the anima droughts Old Gods would cause if they extinguished life as we know it, since no new souls would be coming to the Shadowlands, but I don't think they would have special objects like Xal'atath for dealing with void beings. The Legion only obtained Frostmourne, the Helm of Domination, and the Plate of the Damned because they were made by the Runesmith character we'll meet in the Shadowlands who can infuse objects with the death energy that permeates zones like Maldraxxus over in the Shadowlands, but I doubt that Runesmith is a master of void magic as well, since that's considered different in Warcraft from Decay, which is the 'element' that fuels the Shadowlands, not the void magic that the Old Gods are associated with.

@@FishSkeleton- You seems to know a lot about lore... And what You said makes sense, i have no idea about the blade origins, i'm still a noobie lorewise :( - but its interesting nonetheless, i'm going to Google a bit hahah

@@Nighttimeqt1 I'm mostly just thinking out loud while pondering stuff we already know in the hopes that it might explain some of what we don't. Here's hoping we'll get a more clear explanation on this eventually.

The Forsaken wielding the Light, to say the least, is an... interesting subject, given how the Light will─as you said─burn the undead wielder. Essentially, when wielding the Light, it just hurts them like hell to do. But, in regards to your question: yes, the Forsaken can wield the Light. The caveats being, as stated previously, it's immensely painful and requires a large amount of willpower (they'd have to really, really want to wield it). Something to note is also, although the Light excommunicates undead (as this channel puts it), the only prerequisite to actually wielding the Light is that... well, you need to believe you're wielding it for the right reasons. Arthas, for example, lost his connection before undeath because he was having doubts in it. Meanwhile, the Scarlet Crusade's (a group established as a villainous one) members have been seen wielding the Light because they believe they're doing good. All in all, yes, the Forsaken can wield the Light, although it's difficult, painful, and often rare. Other undead have also been noted as wielding the Light, such as Sir Zeliek (one of the Four Horseman of Naxxramas); he did it out of sheer willpower, like many Forsaken individuals would.

JamesZych they can use the light, alonsus faol is a forsaken who uses the light for example (and previous leader of the church of the light before becoming forsaken) Wielding it does cause them extreme pain however (which is likely a factor why the cult of forgotten shadows became popular among them) Priests simply use the light and it causes them immense pain (not actual harm from using it, just pain), but paladins are actually infused with light so it’s unclear how that would effect them. I can only think of one paladin undead, one of the four horseman from naxx, I don’t believe there’s enough story to him to tell us definitively if forsaken could theoretically be paladins, or if he’s just an exception.

According to the UD priest NPCs in UC they "twist" and "bend" the light to do their bidding. How exactly they accomplish that is another matter.

I was actually wondering why the Forsaken can be priests and not paladins.I believe that to be much more appropriate than the cows as paladins.After all they were/are humans (those of the former kingdom of Londareon) and apart from this class the paladin they were always able to be what a human from Stormwind could be which further empowers my statement/question!After Cataclysm though they added Gilneans and now the tall fatasses Kul tirans being much different than dipicted on original warcraft 3 and the human race is a mess much like the 4 races of elves.

As far as I know according to the lore majority of the Forsaken priests are shadow priests because of the Light burning them when they use it

As a sociology student, I did not expect the pleasant surprise of seeing a Max Weber and his analysis of the protestant reformation on a Platinum WoW video! Made my day better man!

@@Phyyte It's big brain time.

Cool analysis, you dont get to see these kinds of comments often in WoW videos!

@@tomminisokwakus Stay tuned as next time we will talk about the links with XIXth century social darwinism and the split between Thalassian and Darnassian elves.

Except cult of forgotten shadow is cool and interesting like Catholicism, unlike Protestantism which is bland and boring.

Unfortunately, anything that isn't Christian is satanic. The universe can't create itself, meaning God exists, and this God is the God of Moses, the God of the Jews, and the God of the Bible. The reason we know this is because God himself came to the earth to once and for all reveal himself to us in Jesus Christ

@@AR15andGOD Kinda agree, it's actually pretty hard for western writers and worldbuilders to get OUT of those imagination templates informed heavily (usually unintentionally) by collective Christian theology and abrahamic traditions in general. That said honestly alot of them don't pull nearly enough from some of the more obscure and outright heretical (as in no larger established sects of christianity today would accept) Christian denominations and their traditions or theological ideas i.e. the Cathars or Christian sects that rejected the idea trinity, most of these were formed when christianity as a whole was still a new and decentralized movement which meant A LOT of exploration of different views on jesus, christ, their nature and what did it mean to follow him. *There was no such thing as cannon back then and was basically a spiritual free for all* were each group no matter how small or how out there was to be seen as any less legitimate than the other. I mean well atleast to any outside observers that is, ofcourse there was STILL plenty of sectarian violence between many of these groups on their disagreements regarding doctrine, what old traditions to keep, what to discard, and what was christ's nature i.e. was he purely flesh, entirely spirit? neither? both? Something else entirely? These were in the early days of Christianity NOT as *'settled'* questions as they might be considered now, atleast among today's largest and most powerful sects of the faith. Actually that's partly why I like the idea of the cult(s) of the forgotten shadow as a concept, reminiscent of those early days of Christianity, were their wasn't any BIG, overarching authorities who would dictate what is or isn't cannon and the undead shadow priests being those early Christians from various sects who are basically making up their own traditions and brewing their own theologies based on how they viewed their relationship with the Shadow and even the Void and how they are to spread their message or what ideological stances they subscribe to.