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Songwriting Workshop I with Larry Dvoskin

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CUNYQueensborough

CUNYQueensborough

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@NateChristyMedia
@NateChristyMedia 10 жыл бұрын
Having had the opportunity to sit in a live class with Larry and experience his teaching, it is wonderful to have this video and fully absorb his experience. Thanks Larry!!!
@ronanmaison6361
@ronanmaison6361 3 жыл бұрын
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@aaronazariah3069
@aaronazariah3069 3 жыл бұрын
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@ronanmaison6361
@ronanmaison6361 3 жыл бұрын
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@ronanmaison6361
@ronanmaison6361 3 жыл бұрын
@Aaron Azariah it did the trick and I now got access to my account again. Im so happy! Thanks so much, you really help me out!
@aaronazariah3069
@aaronazariah3069 3 жыл бұрын
@Ronan Maison glad I could help xD
@LarryDvoskin
@LarryDvoskin 11 жыл бұрын
Thank you Buddy! I am proud and happy to share what Ive learned to benefit others!
@jingleskhanaudioproductions
@jingleskhanaudioproductions 2 жыл бұрын
keep it up!
@cobaltjones
@cobaltjones 10 жыл бұрын
I like this guy's openness. He doesn't claim to know it all, but instead opens a dialogue to get at the truth. Good method of teaching.
@briancoyne6700
@briancoyne6700 2 жыл бұрын
This was great. I liked the talk about tension and resolution in melodies. I also noticed this in movies lately. They are very similar arts. Thank you for the lecture!
@ronwilliams1094
@ronwilliams1094 8 жыл бұрын
Some GREAT info here for ANY style songwriter. Rhythm and phrasing, to me, is key when considering melody in singing the lyrics.
@MIDNIGHTxUSER
@MIDNIGHTxUSER 11 жыл бұрын
All songs r 3 chords n the truth - this man is so wise,in so many ways. Bless you sir. Keep teaching,we have so much to learn. Pay taxes to keep music n arts in the schools. We all need the dream.
@HABLA_GUIRRRI
@HABLA_GUIRRRI 7 жыл бұрын
i like the way the singing matches the hair
@briansuccar3655
@briansuccar3655 10 жыл бұрын
This is amazing! I'm pursuing my career on music. This was the best lecture I've ever had
@MimiYouyu
@MimiYouyu 3 жыл бұрын
Look up Pat Pattison
@MimiYouyu
@MimiYouyu 3 жыл бұрын
kzfaq.info/get/bejne/j5qjqcaY0bLSnHU.html
@MrMikomi
@MrMikomi 2 жыл бұрын
Eight years later....how has it gone?
@Kenyi_
@Kenyi_ 2 жыл бұрын
@@MrMikomi amazing actually my artist name is “kenyi” wow seeing this made me emotional! thank you checking up on me, god bless you! 💙
@Skitdora2010
@Skitdora2010 7 ай бұрын
@@MimiYouyu Meh. He is a grumpy frump and analytical to the point of formulaic uninspiring stuff that won't be remembered. The best art comes in the space between your hand and the medium. It doesn't come plugging in a math equation and trying to create a little voice in your head which says, "Uh-uh uh!" Stifling your pull of inspiration and making it stuck at your fingertips.
@TheShrubbist
@TheShrubbist 2 жыл бұрын
This dude has a comb over that defies the laws of physics! But he rocks it.
@Engelhafen
@Engelhafen 10 жыл бұрын
What a wonderful class and presentation - Mr. Dvoskin is so personable - I wish all instructors were so great at teaching.
@MikeMcKenzieLOL
@MikeMcKenzieLOL 10 жыл бұрын
A note to Larry Dvoskin -- thank you. You presented a complex subject in an amazingly approachable and interesting way. M
@TianaMaher
@TianaMaher 10 жыл бұрын
Very interesting, thank you.
@gblaney
@gblaney 12 жыл бұрын
With a BM in Composition, I find it quite excellent to have the basics explained well; I also find it quite excellent to have it on this website for free to review over and over.
@briantsings
@briantsings 3 жыл бұрын
Just finishing watching this great workshop series. Thank you Larry! So kind of you to post such helpful and valuable insights with us!
@SebbWins
@SebbWins 11 жыл бұрын
Just a big thumbs up for uploading this. It's amazing having access to such informative content free + online. This is what the internet was designed for. Thankyou :).
@CeciliaEavesWalkerMEd
@CeciliaEavesWalkerMEd 6 жыл бұрын
I love the fact that the most unlikely, guy Dvoskin's Songwriting Workshop, could sing the rhythmic lyrics to TLC's "I Don't Want No Scrubs"! Excellent!
@mrrobbiezed
@mrrobbiezed 9 жыл бұрын
Cheers Larry, I think your videos are great. I like how you demystify songs by dissecting them. I write poetry and I'm in the process of learning guitar so I can put some of my ideas to music.. I'm fearful that lacking musical knowledge I wouldn't know how to approach someone like yourself to collaborate for fear of ridicule.
@fastteddyb
@fastteddyb 6 жыл бұрын
I think this is the best one I heard so far - he's got a great friendly personality without being arrogant about his success:)
@twisttheworld
@twisttheworld 11 жыл бұрын
This video is incredible!! Having had the blessing of sitting in on Larry's class I had my mind opened to so many possibilities and visions for my songs!! Thank you Larry!!
@moreapropos
@moreapropos 8 жыл бұрын
This guy is freaking awesome. Very impressive all the way around, what a great teacher.
@tomaspomej1162
@tomaspomej1162 10 жыл бұрын
Larry great lesson here thank you for that.... I left my job last month because of the "Secret" book and I am starting to write music so you can imagine how I felt when you mentioned the book :) love what you do!!!!!
@asklestaylor
@asklestaylor 10 жыл бұрын
What's the name of the book you're talking about?
@eggbass
@eggbass 10 жыл бұрын
How is it going so far, Thomas?
@tomaspomej1162
@tomaspomej1162 10 жыл бұрын
eggbass well it's exciting and tedious at the same time as I had to find out the hard way what kind of music I want to represent first and than learning the practical bits later :) now I know what and why so should be easier to focus and create but still probably long way to go as it's all new to me.Lucky for me I do have some income coming in in the meantime so dream is still on :) ps: I am not a teenager anymore so I know my odds in this but my love to music doesn't allow me to anything else at the moment so as long as I can keep this fire inside me burning emotionally and financially I will keep on. As some smart man once said "don't die with your music still in you " .......
@eggbass
@eggbass 10 жыл бұрын
Nice! Good luck with it. I would love to quit my job and focus on music but I have a family. So I am trying to get the ball rolling while I'm still working.
@tomaspomej1162
@tomaspomej1162 10 жыл бұрын
understanding man.... my wife would be probably less patient with me if we had kids
@foamstrat
@foamstrat 11 жыл бұрын
i made it through 16 minutes, the issue always with songwriting workshops is they analyze people writing songs and giving you a exact explanation of how songs are written. There is a truth to writing things via some algorithm but the reality is some song writers are just genius. The bottom line is every song that really is great has a chord progression that makes you feel something. Lyrics are the second to the beauty of any song.
@lacmofficial
@lacmofficial 10 жыл бұрын
This is such a great guest speaker you have here! Good job Larry!
@LarryDvoskin
@LarryDvoskin 10 жыл бұрын
Thank you! I work all the time in LA< > and Pasadena, would love to come and speak at the school sometime- in person or webcast!
@WithmeVerissimusWhostoned
@WithmeVerissimusWhostoned 10 жыл бұрын
Good lecture indeed. I agree about tension and release, or as I refer to it dance of emotions, which can be seen in any story - be it a book, movie or a song. It's what gets people the most, when you can hit their emotional chords. That's what I believe Beethoven not only was aware of, but had conscious and direct control over. He didn't need to hear how it sounds anymore, after his deafness he couldn't anyway... the music was in his head and he already knew what and how to write down.
@sonnybrown4758
@sonnybrown4758 12 жыл бұрын
The closing words are priceless. Thank you.
@chrislestermusic
@chrislestermusic 10 жыл бұрын
It is strange that you would have multiple cameras but distance micing. Thank you for recording this though.
@lizlalove6171
@lizlalove6171 8 жыл бұрын
This is great. I was skeptical before I watched this and came away from this realizing that songwriting is actually quite doable. It's not pure magic--just some chord progressions and variations and you're on your way to writing a good song.
@ericswolgaard1808
@ericswolgaard1808 8 жыл бұрын
At around 48 mins the instructor was asked a question pertaining to chord inversions and he answered in a way that presumed classroom familiarity of chord inversions. I would have, instead, gone into a working definition of the term "chord inversion", and then given some examples of a root position chord versus the various inversions of the chord.
@MrPetepoet
@MrPetepoet 3 жыл бұрын
What a fantastic lecture ,,chat. But the noise in that room was driving me mad ,how lucky the people are being there .thankyou
@PopFlipCatchStickRol
@PopFlipCatchStickRol 12 жыл бұрын
Wow I am SOOO glad I by chance stumbled across this video. I started trying to make music not too long ago and Ive been struggling really hard with creating songs. I feel like this will help me out so much. It felt like I was a student in the classroom just soaking up knowledge. Thank you so much for uploading this to youtube. SUBSCRIBED. I will definitely be checking into your other videos as well.
@camilosta
@camilosta 11 жыл бұрын
Many many many many many thanks to Queensborough Music Department and also Larry for sharing this amazing workshop !! :D :D
@EliasFrost123
@EliasFrost123 12 жыл бұрын
So the tension/release theory is basically built upon the same thing as blue notes in the pentatonic scale? Because you can't rest on a blue note, you have to save it by jumping back into the scale (or in this case the chord), am I right?
@Flyahead
@Flyahead 9 жыл бұрын
Dissonance in singing or playing melody originated from blues players. Many of them didn't know about harmony will put dissonant notes in the melody which actually created unique sound. This effect later got noticed by professionals, that people will love this kind of melodies. Melody that too perfect will put people asleep, thats one of a problem with classical music, people will fall asleep on a classical concerts. Dissonant notes will give humans brain kinda rollacoaster will keep audience exited.
@whatabouttheearth
@whatabouttheearth 8 ай бұрын
Not really, many earlier classical composers intentionally used dissonance.
@samscott54
@samscott54 12 жыл бұрын
NIce job Larry......thanks for explaining in words the things we don't really think about too much , but makes sense when you explain it.
@DawzeyJ
@DawzeyJ 12 жыл бұрын
this guy is a really great teacher, thankyou for this upload
@kashifbilgrami
@kashifbilgrami 11 жыл бұрын
he taught me so much stuff and saved me like months of experimenting. thankyou
@centraljerseyguitarteachin7588
@centraljerseyguitarteachin7588 8 жыл бұрын
A very good presentation of what songs are and how melodies & rhythm work.
@monekayakamswild4195
@monekayakamswild4195 7 жыл бұрын
awesome class! create tension and release it back into the chord progression.
@gothicgrafting
@gothicgrafting 11 жыл бұрын
Thanks so much for all this information, my song writing is improving thanks to it, im so glad i was born in the computer age where i can have access to this using the net, although i don't write pop music, a lot of this can be applied to my music, Thank you :)
@jennifermariedylanjosephwe1345
@jennifermariedylanjosephwe1345 8 жыл бұрын
This is a great video! I shared it. Also, I hate it when my guitar strap gives in. I know the feeling! lol
@arakrazy
@arakrazy 10 жыл бұрын
When the guy starts playing at 56:30 had to stop what I was doing as the melody took over my brain!
@kylebennett4196
@kylebennett4196 7 жыл бұрын
akara etteh what Melody? He just played some chords
@AkaraEtteh
@AkaraEtteh 7 жыл бұрын
Ok ok pedantic! :) but a melody is technically just a sequence of notes; the arpeggio was beautifully sequenced
@JonnyZye
@JonnyZye 11 жыл бұрын
Incredible info...thank you so much Larry. Watched all three and I already am seeing improvements in my songwriting.
@JoshNtheedrifter
@JoshNtheedrifter 9 жыл бұрын
Extremely insightful. Thanks
@javoutube1
@javoutube1 11 жыл бұрын
Terrific workshop , thank you very much for uploading it , It was superb , it covered all the topics I wanted to learn about exactly ! I think the people who posted negative comments don't understand or care enough about songwriting so they just generalize about it.
@MrMikomi
@MrMikomi 2 жыл бұрын
33:36 the least likely guy knocks it out of the park
@TheSangredegrado
@TheSangredegrado 11 жыл бұрын
Wow. Very Very cool. Thank you for sharing these gems. Such useful information. And Larry is awesome.
@jingleskhanaudioproductions
@jingleskhanaudioproductions 2 жыл бұрын
15:00 yeah that's a valuable point
@AvaPxiaO
@AvaPxiaO 9 жыл бұрын
A music dept. should be able to produce a better sounding video than this. If you can't change the noisy acoustics of the room you should be able to filter out some noise from the digital file.
@minstrelofMir
@minstrelofMir 4 жыл бұрын
i started a beatles copy band in 1975 age11 with twisted hands that didant even open, a long story followed,,but my point is song writing leads to enlightenment,as we have to have answers,,know this and find the deepest meanings and a way to express :-)
@mjsmcd
@mjsmcd 5 жыл бұрын
What good songs had he written?
@PaulLadendorf
@PaulLadendorf 12 жыл бұрын
Sorry but Lennon didn't give McCartney songwriting credit out of the goodness of his heart. They had a contract.
@Honeebeemusic
@Honeebeemusic 11 жыл бұрын
Great Info, thanks! Hmmmmm! I remember you from the CMPA Awards Toronto. Yes I sang the impromptu Happy Birthday to a celebrated musician. Cheers!
@gogamusic
@gogamusic 11 жыл бұрын
Somewhere Over the rain-BOW - the BOW has to be the root chord. based on the original version from Judy Garland. In this video he was convincing everyone that it was the minor 3 chord. Then his whole theory of explaining that this chord and the melody was dissonant is not right since in the original song this is not the right chord. Hope this makes sense.
@danielrot3742
@danielrot3742 9 жыл бұрын
I think your amazing Larry Thank^s for posting this......D.R
@johanantonin6938
@johanantonin6938 9 жыл бұрын
@29:03 My understanding is that, the note sung is not out of the chord, it is just out of the triad, but completing the voicing to build an extended chord, Fort instance the D against the C6 (CEGA) is simply an ADD9. = C6add9 (CEGAD). Right?
@anthonymaloney6838
@anthonymaloney6838 9 жыл бұрын
+johan ANTONIN You are correct sir. The melody implies an extended chord IF... it is used as a structural note (placed on the downbeat). If it is used on the offbeat, it is simply a passing note, (although it can also be used to imply the next chord change. For example, C to Cadd9 before changing to G as the next chord.)
@anthonymaloney6838
@anthonymaloney6838 9 жыл бұрын
johan ANTONIN Anything diatonic to the chord is an inside note, all others in the key are outside (color notes).
@monekayakamswild4195
@monekayakamswild4195 7 жыл бұрын
Anthony Maloney what does that mean? is it take a note from the chord and lower it with a minor or raise it to another note? I'm not fortunate Like u music heads, I'm learning music theory on KZfaq.
@anthonymaloney6838
@anthonymaloney6838 7 жыл бұрын
It means the vocal melody note placed on the downbeat is the highlight of the chord, giving it the feeling of being an outsider compared to the standard major or minor chord of 135. Take the second melody he played which follows as such. His example is written in a tuple time like 3/4, 6/8/, or 12/8, with a lead in measure (anacrusis-shortening of the standard measure). Let's assume it is a 3/4 time signature. In the example below, Larry was hinting at F# being a highlighted note in the next chord (because the first time we see it, the note is placed between the first and second beats. This make's it a passing note and doesn't change the G Major into a G Major7. But when F# is placed on the first beat for the strong syllable of apPEAR, it turns the E Minor Chord into an Add9 chord. If we add D to the E Minor (Add9) we create a common note shared by both since D is also used in G Major. This creates a feeling that the chords truly belong together. Now we not only have hinted at the coming chord by using the F# in G Major and giving G Major a romantic feel, we are also hinting at the coming E Minor (Add9). 2 3 |123|123|123|1 2 3 |123|123|123|Etc. B D G G F# G A F# Why do BIRDS sud-den-ly ap-PEAR. GMaj EMin(Add9)
@Articulatedcopy
@Articulatedcopy 8 жыл бұрын
Uhhh. When the student played. It's basically Sweet Madame Blue by Styx. I mean I'm just saying.
@Ronbo765
@Ronbo765 11 жыл бұрын
A generous and articulate man. Thanks!
@MichaelLynMusic
@MichaelLynMusic 9 жыл бұрын
Great class Larry!......I'd love to sit in on one of these one day!
@theavitaravitar1884
@theavitaravitar1884 8 жыл бұрын
Awesome class!
@EmmaDivaOfficial
@EmmaDivaOfficial 11 жыл бұрын
These are the things I miss about uni :)
@petrarodgers
@petrarodgers 11 жыл бұрын
this was awesome and so informative. I learned alot. Thank you!!!
@nyacoustics8373
@nyacoustics8373 4 жыл бұрын
so the moral of the workshop is like in the last 70 years no one can come up with any music that really sounds "different". Most use the same chords and rhythms that the rock and rollers used many years ago.
@whatabouttheearth
@whatabouttheearth 8 ай бұрын
Mainstream music generally has the same progressions and all of those progressions and more were in earlier classical (see the videos on progressions on the channel 'David Bennet Piano'). Mainstream music is repetitive, especially modern mainstream. But there are many restrictions and dynamic elements that make the genres what they are.
@keeszondervrees8787
@keeszondervrees8787 11 жыл бұрын
There's a lot of picture taking going on... Why!?
@phildaniels7623
@phildaniels7623 3 жыл бұрын
11 yrs old? Great video quality!
@pantera6
@pantera6 12 жыл бұрын
whoaa that big dude actually sang alright
@kashifbilgrami
@kashifbilgrami 11 жыл бұрын
check his wiki. Just type his name in. The thing is that most songwriters arent noted for anything or put in the famous lime light. They may have written it but the person who sang it is more famous for being the face. he only people who really look at them as famous are the labels and singers that talk about them and actually throw their name out.
@whatabouttheearth
@whatabouttheearth 8 ай бұрын
Uh... musicians who are more serious pay attention to songwriters, engineers and producers
@johnpucilla7157
@johnpucilla7157 4 жыл бұрын
Other than the issue with the audio, this was informative. Regards, songwriter, John Pucilla
@michaelmifsud4763
@michaelmifsud4763 6 жыл бұрын
Life changing instructor
@magsheffernan6795
@magsheffernan6795 7 жыл бұрын
This is great! Also, you dont need to play an instrument to be a songwriter. Check out Mags Heffernan 'I Am Human'. Great catchy song!
@peterflynn6200
@peterflynn6200 Жыл бұрын
AMAZING!!!
@MissVelvetElle
@MissVelvetElle 12 жыл бұрын
Great, great talk! I learned so much. Thank you!
@zeramski
@zeramski 12 жыл бұрын
Not entirely. To me, the function of the blue note is more of a chromatic one (outside of the scale), whereas the examples Larry shows are notes that are still diatonic (within the scale). Blue notes act to "pull you out" of the scale with more obvious tension. The notes outside of the chords create more of a nebulous or cloudy effect, not so much an obvious "pull" away from the scale. That kinda "longing" feeling he was talking about, not so much a direct "happy/sad". hope that made sense!
@tg6769
@tg6769 10 жыл бұрын
crazy that a music workshop has awful and distracting mic'ing
@kevlar1979
@kevlar1979 12 жыл бұрын
STRANGE MELODIC VOODOO...
@zeramski
@zeramski 12 жыл бұрын
"Cobain himself held similar opinions, saying that it 'was such a clichéd riff. It was so close to a Boston riff or [The Kingsmen's] 'Louie Louie.'" I think The Pixies thing was an overall reference to their aesthetic (the whole loud/soft thing)
@whatabouttheearth
@whatabouttheearth 8 ай бұрын
The Pixies were absolutely an influence and Cobain constantly said that, they were an influence for a large part of 90s rock and "alternative" and alot of extensions of 90s rock derived from Deals band The Breeders, Deal herself was a huge influence on all that.
@d_ruggs
@d_ruggs 2 жыл бұрын
"Any questions?" a ton
@Martinbeef
@Martinbeef 12 жыл бұрын
There's a lot of waffling, and the students make so much noise taking photographs! However, the main message is really good and very helpful.
@blythekelly1795
@blythekelly1795 12 жыл бұрын
Thank you for this wonderful information!!
@sincerecartertm
@sincerecartertm 4 жыл бұрын
i wonder what part you made in there for your words (student classmate today) its kind of impossible to just perfectly perfectly match a melody , but i hopefully know you know , you can change around melodic , once formated!!
@who7771
@who7771 11 жыл бұрын
Students had a really experienced songwriter and nobody took the opportunity to play their music and get critiqued. What a shame.
@tommynoble685
@tommynoble685 2 жыл бұрын
saying the G is a 4th chord of a song in C is incorrect.
@lordfundus3859
@lordfundus3859 9 жыл бұрын
Love Poland Springs.
@mussman717word
@mussman717word 12 жыл бұрын
I could've sworn that Cobain said he was trying to rip off The Pixies, not "Louie, Louie."
@whatabouttheearth
@whatabouttheearth 8 ай бұрын
Yes, he did. He constantly said he was highly influenced by the Pixies
@aurorameddle953
@aurorameddle953 8 жыл бұрын
I liked it at a song writing view very informative
@EmmaDivaOfficial
@EmmaDivaOfficial 11 жыл бұрын
Forgot to add, great info, thanks for uploading
@bimbomcgee
@bimbomcgee 11 жыл бұрын
20 mins in, i'm thinking, is this guy a genius.
@autobarry
@autobarry 11 жыл бұрын
Thanks that was an awesome class
@markmadle
@markmadle 10 жыл бұрын
Fantastic. Thank You!!!
@reliablebow
@reliablebow 12 жыл бұрын
thanks Larry...excellent
@veganmochi
@veganmochi 11 жыл бұрын
This was awesome.
@thealphasystem
@thealphasystem 12 жыл бұрын
good vid, poor audio quality though
@67Stu
@67Stu 8 жыл бұрын
Pretty good for the most part, but just one thing: Did he say "Hang on Snoopy"? or is my hearing going down?
@TLaySM
@TLaySM 11 жыл бұрын
thank you for all this priceless information :))
@MrTommySullivan
@MrTommySullivan 11 жыл бұрын
This was great!
@COLOSSALcreation10
@COLOSSALcreation10 12 жыл бұрын
But a D isn't the 7th of a Cmaj? @JamesCornelisonMusic
@shanegregg1057
@shanegregg1057 7 жыл бұрын
my only complaint is that songwriters always talk like that if you're not doing all these things your song is less valid but there are plenty of songs out there that have completely implied melody that follow the chordal structure and still have tension and release
@doblajesj
@doblajesj 11 жыл бұрын
niiice upload. Thanks a lot. i'll keep watching the vids.
@Michellippke
@Michellippke 12 жыл бұрын
A great video ! Thank you !
@OddHenrikBrekke
@OddHenrikBrekke 10 жыл бұрын
Is it worth watching? someone answer please! :p
@BiZii1024
@BiZii1024 12 жыл бұрын
What is the name of this song? 0:26:34
@sincerecartertm
@sincerecartertm 4 жыл бұрын
"larry " you always come with the slaps , i swear i need that shit , to battle j now, mucho love larry , ol' pal MR. POSTMAN 🤑🤬
@Songwriter4God
@Songwriter4God 12 жыл бұрын
It's great that this is freely available online. :D
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