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Unfortunately there isn’t a happy medium with these hair characteristics. We either want an Afro or definition. The only difference would be is a product change (not foam). I will mention it on my next live and give an example of why we can’t have both. As a reminder: outer texture makes it the biggest determining factor of holding product. Smooth and flat (which has more flexibility with volume and definition) and rippled outer texture (which can only do either or… definition or volume/afro). I go over these things in both books in my about section.