Curtiss' Half-Jet Half-Propeller Fighter: Curtiss XF15C

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11 ай бұрын

In this video, we talk about the Curtiss XF15C, a late-World War II, post-war era mixed-propulsion fighter made in an effort to bring jet propulsion to American aircraft carriers. We also touch on two projects related to the XF15C: the Ryan FR Fireball and the Ryan XF2R Dark Shark. We talk about why mixed-propulsion aircraft like these three were being made and tested for carriers in particular, how they compared to more conventional propeller-driven aircraft, and why none of them went on to have much of an impact for the United States Navy.

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@300guy
@300guy 11 ай бұрын
Did you notice the two AR234's in the background of the picture of #2 at 8:55 as well as the Do335 right behind the Arados.
@Hamring
@Hamring 6 ай бұрын
Nicely spotted! 8:55 Perhaps someone knows something about these specific airframes? I assume the picture was taken in the US?
@scootergeorge7089
@scootergeorge7089 6 ай бұрын
Not surprising that the Naval Air Test Center NATC would want to evaluate these advanced aircraft.
@terrygardner3031
@terrygardner3031 11 ай бұрын
What is very interesting is the 2 Arado 234 twin engine jets on the parking apron.
@tedsmith6137
@tedsmith6137 11 ай бұрын
An interesting point regarding the Whittle engine on the test stand at 11:50 is the little 4 cylinder engine driving the compressor via Vee belts. This was early in testing and they had no suitable design or material for the Turbine, so they were testing the combustion chamber design by using the petrol engine to stand in for the turbine.
@CMHorner-jq6sk
@CMHorner-jq6sk 11 ай бұрын
I was the Ops Mgr for the Bradley Air Museum in Connecticut, during the 1970s and 80s. I remember when the XF15C arrived in the late 70's. The aircraft had been preserved by the Navy at Philadelphia along with several other aircraft for a "future museum". When it arrived at our facility, we gave it a new paint job and restored the NATC markings. It was displayed in our main hangar until a freak tornado destroyed our facilities and many aircraft in 1979. The XF15C was unhurt. During the rebuilding process, priorities changed and the airplane was "returned" to the Navy who transferred it to a RI museum. That organization failed in 2016 and the plane was transferred again to the Hickory group. I have talked with them and at the moment they don't have a display building but expect to build one soon. They also expect to be able to give the plane some refurbishment.
@RT060789
@RT060789 10 ай бұрын
The state of RI and the town of North Kingston screwed the Quonset air museum over. We had a respectable collection of planes and other historical artifacts. The powers that be felt the naval aviation history of RI was not relevant and was unworthy of any support. I was a member and volunteer there for 20 years. We did keep the XF15C inside when we had it. The Bradley air museum is fantastic. I loved it!!
@jimsvideos7201
@jimsvideos7201 11 ай бұрын
Here I thought I'd seen them all, and yet I'm pretty sure this XF15C is entirely new on me.
@redr1150r
@redr1150r 11 ай бұрын
I saw this very aircraft when it was pulled out of a large storage shed at NAS Norfolk, Virginia, in 1972. There was also a Douglass torpedo/attack aircraft that was the forerunner of AD-1 Skyraider that was pulled out at the same time.
@clc2328
@clc2328 11 ай бұрын
I appreciate your channel, the attention to detail, the personal opinions and the fact you are a real human being
@SuperchargedSupercharged
@SuperchargedSupercharged 11 ай бұрын
Nice presentation. Keep up the good work.
@richardletaw4068
@richardletaw4068 11 ай бұрын
You rock, sir! Love your content, delivery, and the Really Cool Logo! Woo hoo!!!
@worldtraveler930
@worldtraveler930 11 ай бұрын
In Glenrose Texas is a small history museum that has a section dedicated to one of their sons who flew the fireball into history by being the first ever jet landing and take off on an aircraft Carrier!!! 🤠👍
@O-cDxA
@O-cDxA 11 ай бұрын
Thanks for posting. Never knew about these planes !
@loddude5706
@loddude5706 11 ай бұрын
The first 'metal-aircraft-sliding-to-a-stop' sound I ever heard, was William Holden's F9 Panther crunching it's way out of 'The Bridges of Toko-Ri', up to then they were 'all fabric & splinters'! : )
@life_of_riley88
@life_of_riley88 11 ай бұрын
You must be pretty old, William Holden?
@loddude5706
@loddude5706 11 ай бұрын
@@life_of_riley88 - You must be pretty young, education? : )
@life_of_riley88
@life_of_riley88 11 ай бұрын
@@loddude5706 35 years old, 8th grade education
@loddude5706
@loddude5706 11 ай бұрын
@@life_of_riley88 69yrs old, IQ of pond life : )
@life_of_riley88
@life_of_riley88 11 ай бұрын
@@loddude5706 Cheers! I've always been more of a William Powell man myself, but hey, us old souls gotta stick together 🙂
@wfpelletier4348
@wfpelletier4348 11 ай бұрын
I remember a long time ago (maybe about 30 years ago) I saw the surviving XF15-C prototype at the Bradley Air Museum (now the New England Air Museum) in Connecticut. Before I saw the XF15-C, I had read about it in books. When I saw it in person, I was struck by its large size. The airplane was on display in an indoor hanger, and at the time the airplane was in pristine condition. I am sorry to hear that now that same aircraft is just being left to the elements.
@aj-2savage896
@aj-2savage896 11 ай бұрын
I am intimately familiar with this specific plane. It was the third and last of the XF-15Cs, also the very last airframe ever built by Curtiss for the Navy. I helped disassemble it when the Army Corps of Engineers delivered it by barge to Davisville, RI, helped tie it down and flag it to go over the road to Connecticut on a trailer originally custom-built by Kaman for their helicopters, pulled by a Mack that was formerly with Pratt & Whitney. We had a shortage of flagging material, but the RI State Trooper was ok with the three dark red rags tied onto the extremities. Outer wing panels and the vertical and horizontal stabilizers were removed for the trip. Back then I seem to remember the Naval Aviation Museum having a policy of collecting/displaying only types that saw squadron service, this despite there being a purely experimental Douglas Skystreak parked outside their original building which was essentially a glorified shack, thus making this plane available to the privately run Bradley Air Museum. Anyway, I eventually put the new, present coat of Navy dark sea blue paint on it after a good cleaning and prep and replicated the markings in a most detailed way. The ORIGINAL paint is still underneath. I chose to keep it's last scheme because it would be historically correct with any modifications that might have been done to the plane during it's service life. It was originally delivered to the Navy in somewhat different markings. I cut the stencils at Westover AFB's paint shop to exactly duplicate the originals. Note the l/g struts and wheels are in green zinc chromate. That's a Curtiss thing and you see it on Helldivers, too. The canopy had large cracks, but it was stitched together with safety wire as per instructions in an old wartime manual for "emergency repairs.". There was a thick "armor" plate behind the pilot's head and shoulders stenciled "NOT FOR COMBAT USE." So I thought it was likely made of aluminum, and temporarily removed it while cleaning up the cockpit. It may not have been armor, but it was steel, and super heavy. An uh-oh moment as it rested on my shins after demounting. Incidentally, we moved it (and other aircraft) around the hangar and ramp back then with a mangy-looking WW2-era Navy 10-ton forklift as a mule. Once the plane was truly display-ready, I had to really get obstinate to keep it INSIDE the hangar and not have it permanently put outdoors. At least pretty much all the work was done inside the hangar so visitors could still see it before it was finished. The topcoat came from the same 5-gallon bucket of paint that I used on the XF4U-4 at the same place. In later years it was loaned to the fledgling museum at the former NAS Quonset Point, and there was also talk that it really should be at the NAS Pax museum, as it's testing was done at Pax. I was disappointed to find out a couple years ago that it wasn't at Pax, but in its off-the-beaten-path location at present. It deserves better because of it's rarity and the way it represents a pivotal moment in naval aviation. Hope half of all that was a little interesting.
@chuckjohnson5383
@chuckjohnson5383 11 ай бұрын
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@wfpelletier4348
@wfpelletier4348 10 ай бұрын
@@aj-2savage896 I can tell you from having seen the plane in person that you did a wonderful job of restoration. I feel priviledged that I had a chance to see it, and I have a feeling that many other visitors to the museum felt the same way. Thank you for your wonderful work, and thank you for sharing your experience of working on this historic airplane.
@terrystokes3577
@terrystokes3577 11 ай бұрын
My father worked on the X15C and its sisters to while stationed at NATC, Maryland.
@davidmcintyre8145
@davidmcintyre8145 11 ай бұрын
There was a prop/jet combination that worked and still works well on such aircraft as the C-130 the Turboprop which was tested in a Meteor by the RN as a potential carrier aircraft
@leifvejby8023
@leifvejby8023 11 ай бұрын
Yes, the Trent meteor.
@davidmcintyre8145
@davidmcintyre8145 11 ай бұрын
@@leifvejby8023 In many ways the turboprop would have been ideal for early turbine powered carrier aircraft. The other innovations that really helped jets get onto carriers were the angled deck and the steam catapult both of which were gifted to the USN by the RN
@chuckcawthon3370
@chuckcawthon3370 11 ай бұрын
Outstanding Video Presentation. Well Done Sir.
@georgivanev7466
@georgivanev7466 11 ай бұрын
Another quality video 👍
@gort8203
@gort8203 11 ай бұрын
Videos like this often mention the poor acceleration of early jets, but they often conflate two different aspects of these engines as though they are the same thing. You have to separate acceleration or spool up time of the engine from acceleration of the aircraft, as they are completely separate issues. Yes, jet engines can be very slow to spool up from low rpm to full power. But this is not what affected takeoff roll of early aircraft, because the engine could be run up to full power before brake release. What affected the takeoff roll was the fact that these early jets were simply underpowered compared to previous aircraft. Unlike propeller driven aircraft, jet propelled aircraft produce a fairly constant thrust regardless of speed, and the power they produce increases with speed. Propeller driven aircraft are the opposite. A powerful prop plane can out-accelerate a much faster jet plane and leap off the runway, but will run into a wall at high speed because the propeller cannot convert all that horsepower into thrust. At high speed, a jet powered aircraft still produces thrust similar to during takeoff roll, but a prop produces far less. This is why even early jets that were underpowered by today’s standards were superior to props in high-speed flight. Spool time is a different issue that is only a problem at low engine rpm. This was a factor in early jets, especially carrier jets, because they were straight wing designs with relatively high total lift to drag ratios that required low thrust settings during landing approach. They sometimes compensated for this by deploying additional drag in the form of air brakes and steep flap settings, and sometimes by the use of engine thrust attenuators allowing use of higher rpm that improved throttle response time. Even an early turbojet or a modern turbofan has acceptable throttle response when rpm is in the useful operating range. Couple this with the drag of a high-performance swept wing aircraft in the landing configuration, and thrust attenuators and speed brakes are usually not needed.
@tauncfester3022
@tauncfester3022 11 ай бұрын
My Uncle flew from carriers in the Pacific theater and was working in Alameda after JV day so he got some stick time flying the North American FJ-1 Fury, and said that it's ability to take off from a carrier was limited by the early J35 engine's weak thrust. Even after Grumman and NA brought their F9F and FJ-3's, most naval jets relied on needing to be stropped to a catapult, so these early hybrids were largely based on the mistaken idea that a propeller coupled to a turbine would do the launching job that catapults would take over. Propellers don't work so great when forced to operate at high Mach numbers, and a lot of these early carrier jets were approaching transonic cruise speeds as their designs improved. Even the monstrous counter rotating turboprop powered Douglas A2D Skyshark needed to be catapulted.
@vascoribeiro69
@vascoribeiro69 11 ай бұрын
The Darkshark had a turboprop and jet engines, being different from the other two.
@edwardancona2635
@edwardancona2635 11 ай бұрын
Jet engines are rated by pounds of thrust not foot-pounds, which is a torque measurement
@DaveSCameron
@DaveSCameron 11 ай бұрын
Says who?
@GoSlash27
@GoSlash27 11 ай бұрын
Agreed. lbf stands for "pounds of force", not "foot-pounds".
@dukecraig2402
@dukecraig2402 11 ай бұрын
Torque is not the only force that can be measured in ft lbs of energy, it's not exclusive to torque, as an example the muzzle energy of firearms is also measured in ft lbs, and that has nothing to do with the fact that some projectiles rotate, shotguns and smooth bore muzzle loaders also have ft lbs of energy as measurements. Matter of fact when I explain torque and ft lbs to people I tell them to just forget about the fact that torque is a twisting motion because all that does is confuse people when it comes to understanding ft lbs of energy, the fact is it's a measurement that's made in a straight line, ie 100 ft lbs of energy is enough force to move 1 pound 100 feet in a straight line not going around in circles like a twisting motion (100 ft lbs is also the same amount of force to move 100 pounds 1 foot, it's exactly the same amount of force if you move 1 pound 100 feet). When it comes to horsepower torque is a component that's a part of measuring HP, there's no time component in the measurement of torque (ft lbs of energy), 100 foot pounds of energy is enough to move 1 pound 100 feet but you can take as long as you want moving that 1 pound the distance of 100 ft, HP is how fast you move that 1 pound the 100 feet, the faster you move 1 pound the 100 foot distance the more HP you've produced. People who like high torque numbers associated with engine's don't understand that ultimately it's meaningless without the time component, 70 ft lbs of torque at 3,000 RPM's will lose a race to 50 ft lbs of torque at 10,000 RPM's every time. 70 ft lbs of torque at 3,000 RPM's is 39.98 HP 50 ft lbs of torque at 10,000 RPM's is 95.20 HP Which one do you think will cross a finish line first? Torque itself is meaningless when it comes to engine power because it's only part of the equation, because horsepower adds time into the equation it's the final say on the matter.
@FlareAt30Feet
@FlareAt30Feet 11 ай бұрын
Rather, they are rated with Kilo newtons- which is force
@dukecraig2402
@dukecraig2402 11 ай бұрын
@@FlareAt30Feet Which is directly comparable to foot pounds, just multiply by 224.809 for the conversion. Both measurements are force over distance. There's no more difference between the two than pounds and kilo's when measuring weight, one's just standard measurements and the other is metric, same as with BTU's and Calories when measuring heat, one's standard and the other is metric.
@raywhitehead730
@raywhitehead730 11 ай бұрын
United States Navy transition to jets, and early jet Carrier aviation suffered a huge amount of crashes and accidents for years. It was mind boggling to go over the history of US Navy Aviation accidents in those years. So, so much different from now.2023.
@tedsmith6137
@tedsmith6137 11 ай бұрын
'lbf' stands for pounds force of thrust, not foot pounds, which is a measure of torque.
@mattjacomos2795
@mattjacomos2795 11 ай бұрын
came here to say this, but I always read the comments first...
@johnjensen2217
@johnjensen2217 11 ай бұрын
The thrust is pounds force. That’s what the small “f” in “lbf” means.
@300guy
@300guy 11 ай бұрын
"But good job, very interesting!" is how you should have finished that sentence.
@O-cDxA
@O-cDxA 11 ай бұрын
Why the 'b' in lbs ?
@womble321
@womble321 11 ай бұрын
​​@@O-cDxAblame the Romans 🤣 plumbing???? Lol
@killer1963daddy
@killer1963daddy 11 ай бұрын
Correct, foot pounds is a measure of torque
@stephenmeier4658
@stephenmeier4658 11 ай бұрын
And yet you're watching HIM and not vice versa
@generalblackbird5558
@generalblackbird5558 11 ай бұрын
12:15 Operational jets of the US Navy that came before the F9F: McDonnell FH-1 Phantom (First became operational in June 1946) McDonnell F2H Banshee (first operational in August of 1948)
@jamesbugbee9026
@jamesbugbee9026 11 ай бұрын
How did the Fury & the Pirate do?
@generalblackbird5558
@generalblackbird5558 11 ай бұрын
@@jamesbugbee9026 The FJ-1 Fury first flew in September of 1946, a couple months after the Phantom. The Pirate was never issued to operational naval squadrons, relegated to training, research, and test roles for its career. It first flew October 6 1946, so even then the Phantom is the first operational jet fighter and the first one for the US Navy to ever fly
@apokalipsx25
@apokalipsx25 11 ай бұрын
Dear *Ihyls * My memory has gotten a new plane thanks to you. I wish to return this favor. There was build a version of Avro Lancaster *Half-Jet Half-Propeller* and used as passenger plane in Canada for some time. Technicaly it was a first passenger jet. You can easy find a video about it on youtube - Avro Lancastrian - Jet Powered Lancaster Story Eye for an Eye Plane for an Plane )))
@alm5992
@alm5992 11 ай бұрын
From playing Il-2 Sturmovik games for so long, I can say that early jets NEEDED rocket assisted takeoff or a massive runway. Those things are fast, but so slow to get going! Without catapults, they usually only get to around 90km/h on a carrier before falling off the edge lol!
@AbelMcTalisker
@AbelMcTalisker 11 ай бұрын
This was actually why the Royal Navy developed steam catapult launching.
@pizzagogo6151
@pizzagogo6151 11 ай бұрын
Oh what funny mixed power fighter😮 .interesting , made me think, that as far as I know the UK RN seemed to briefly go with turboprop ideas in their post-war navy fighters rather than piston plus jet, (? Maybe because they had been developing turboprops much earlier than the US??). Anyway wasn’t aware of this plane - thanks for covering it
@AbelMcTalisker
@AbelMcTalisker 11 ай бұрын
You mean this one kzfaq.info/get/bejne/g5tpeLdmudK9lWw.html I was only in service for a short time and had a first in being the plane the had a successful ejection from underwater.
@BV-fr8bf
@BV-fr8bf 11 ай бұрын
First to hear of this specific aircraft!
@myplane150
@myplane150 11 ай бұрын
I wonder where this shot was taken (13:20)? Those sure look like Arado AR 234s in the background.
@whyjnot420
@whyjnot420 11 ай бұрын
Would you count the piston engine planes that utilized the exhaust to add a not insignificant amount of power? iirc some of these would add something like 5-10% to what an engine could deliver (for the best of them). They are hybrids of a sort rather than two separate power sources. But the exhaust gasses added thrust in a manner that doesn't differ from a jet engine (i.e. hot stuff shoots out the back). So they are certainly in the same basic school of thought. Either as a precursor or as a rudimentary entry. As they were the same basic combo of prop thrust and something not dissimilar from jet thrust.
@neiloflongbeck5705
@neiloflongbeck5705 11 ай бұрын
20mm cannon shells go bang on hitting something, unlike 50cal bullets. Meaning fewer hits of 20mm cannon shells can do as much damage as a slightly greater number of 50cal bullets.
@alm5992
@alm5992 11 ай бұрын
I was also really confused when he said "bullet size or quantity". Obviously 20mm is better than 12.7mm against aircraft, especially with the explosive fillers that could be inserted. It is no contest!
@allangibson8494
@allangibson8494 11 ай бұрын
Actually explosive 50 cal bullets are a thing. They are however illegal to use on personnel. The USAAF used a mix of explosive, incendiary and armor piercing versions.
@neiloflongbeck5705
@neiloflongbeck5705 11 ай бұрын
@@allangibson8494 thanks, I wasn't aware of them.
@coreyandnathanielchartier3749
@coreyandnathanielchartier3749 10 ай бұрын
.50 caliber bullet will generally penetrate a structure deeper than will a low-velocity cannon shell. Cannon shells of this era also had slow firing rate, poor muzzle velocity and ballistics, and had poor amount of rounds to fire, due to weight.
@steveshoemaker6347
@steveshoemaker6347 11 ай бұрын
EXCELLENT.....An i just Sub'ed to your channel...... Old Flying Shoe🇺🇸
@fredhagman387
@fredhagman387 4 ай бұрын
At almost the last of the video, in the background of the photo, are two Arado 234 aircraft. Sure would like to know more specifics of that photo. Very interesting.
@fredhagman387
@fredhagman387 4 ай бұрын
I wasnt sure about the Dornier, makes it even more intersting.
@guaporeturns9472
@guaporeturns9472 11 ай бұрын
Fireball is an interesting name for an airplane.
@RedXlV
@RedXlV 26 күн бұрын
Unfortunately, it sometimes lived up to that name.
@michaelgowen2242
@michaelgowen2242 11 ай бұрын
Those thrust units are lbf (pounds force). It's not units of work (pounds foot).
@ninjalanternshark1508
@ninjalanternshark1508 11 ай бұрын
Dark Shark is a great name
@roykliffen9674
@roykliffen9674 11 ай бұрын
13:20 Are that a couple of Arado AR-234's in the background?
@vascoribeiro69
@vascoribeiro69 11 ай бұрын
I think so!
@300guy
@300guy 11 ай бұрын
and a DO335 behind them I believe.
@roykliffen9674
@roykliffen9674 11 ай бұрын
@@300guy I do belief it's indeed a "Pfeil".... Good eye.
@bullettube9863
@bullettube9863 11 ай бұрын
Eventually when the jet engine was approved the USAF put four jet engines on the prop driven B-36 to improve it's take off load and overall higher altitude performance. Another example of a jet engine propeller combo is the turboprop used today on commercial aircraft and the Hercules C-130 Basically the jet engine on these fighters would not work well as pushing the aircraft through the air will turn the propeller into a drag producing spinner and negate the thrust of the jet engine. While the jet works better at higher altitudes, the propeller doesn't, so really they were better off not not trying to have two different propulsion systems. Jet technology improved greatly very quickly so that an all jet engined plane was possible.
@tedsmith6137
@tedsmith6137 11 ай бұрын
I'm confused by your mention of guns in a vacuum, around 6:50. What are you referring to?
@kirknewton100
@kirknewton100 11 ай бұрын
Interesting photo where you can clearly see two German Arado Bombers in the background. Supposedly going through tests after capture by the USA after WW2.
@eddies6977
@eddies6977 11 ай бұрын
You're right, it's sad to see any airplane sit and rot in the elements, especially a lone example of its type. The "museum" could do better.
@HootOwl513
@HootOwl513 11 ай бұрын
Interesting to note a pair of German Arado Ar 234 jet bombers on the flightline in the background, [8:27] under the XF15C's T-tail. This must be at Pax River.
@beverlychmelik5504
@beverlychmelik5504 11 ай бұрын
And maybe a Dornier Arrow behind them as well?
@HootOwl513
@HootOwl513 11 ай бұрын
@@beverlychmelik5504 Could be a Do 335, head-on directly under the tail of the foreground XF15C -- or some other aircraft with contra-rotating props. IDK? Naval Air Station Patuxent River [''Pax River''] was the Navy's base for Test Pilot School and HQ for Naval Air Systems Command [NAVAIR]. Any captured enemy technology assets would be evaluated there.
@raymondclark1785
@raymondclark1785 11 ай бұрын
Got to wonder what they would be doing at Pax. We know they were not going to be used on the German carrier
@HootOwl513
@HootOwl513 11 ай бұрын
@@raymondclark1785 After VE Day, the USAAF and USN divvied up captured German planes to be examined. The Akutan Zero [7/42] had also been scrutinized at Pax River, resulting in improved specs for the F4U, Hellcat and Bearcat. AAF equivalent would be Wright Field. A lot of were entertained there in this period. Perhaps at Pax River, too?
@beverlychmelik5504
@beverlychmelik5504 11 ай бұрын
@@raymondclark1785 General testing and evaluation. After all they had to see what is out there and if they could use it in the future.
@colintwyning9614
@colintwyning9614 11 ай бұрын
The 20mm cannon to be mounted on the wings?
@karlbark
@karlbark 8 ай бұрын
8:28 WHAT ?!?! 😲 -There are 2 (two!) Arado-s in the background ❗ -And What! is that 4th plane in the background ?? (Contra-rotating props). Well, that's what it looks like to me. (On my small phone-screen) Anyhoo, cheers from 🇮🇸
@zanenobbs352
@zanenobbs352 11 ай бұрын
I thought the US Navy's first adopted jet fighter was the McDonnell FH-1 Phantom of 1945. This isn't correct?
@joserefe5950
@joserefe5950 11 ай бұрын
Everything is still photos no video in motion. It a good thing I had to scan the whole video first before watching it.
@KapiteinKrentebol
@KapiteinKrentebol 9 ай бұрын
There is a huge difference between .50 cal and 20mm apart from the size. As 20mm usually were explosive bullets which .50 cal could never be because of treaty restrictions.
@cordellej
@cordellej 11 ай бұрын
wow thrust is now measured in foot pounds these days ? i think i need to go back to school then
@johnjephcote7636
@johnjephcote7636 11 ай бұрын
I would not have much confidence in flying an a/c named 'Fireball'.
@MyCaptainPugwash
@MyCaptainPugwash 11 ай бұрын
Is that two ARADO's in the back ground there????
@scottthewaterwarrior
@scottthewaterwarrior 11 ай бұрын
I feel like the issue of poor throttle response would have been better solved by installing a small rocket engine (enough for maybe 10 seconds of thrust) on early jets, toggled if they needed to abort a landing.
@jimsvideos7201
@jimsvideos7201 11 ай бұрын
JATO bottles.
@generalblackbird5558
@generalblackbird5558 11 ай бұрын
Early versions of the Mirage 3 had a small rocket motor installed under the engine exhaust as the afterburner was that of a simple "Clamshell" door style, similar to what was used on the Concorde. this didnt give very good extra thrust, so the rocket was used. Later on the more well-known mirages they had a much better afterburner installed.
@alt5494
@alt5494 11 ай бұрын
Was the USN not aware of the British Metropolitan-Vickers F.3 turbofan(tested 1943)? A fighter powered by two F.3 turbofans would have been a radically better development path.
@allangibson8494
@allangibson8494 11 ай бұрын
Metrovick had problems with turbine reliability - that was only really solved with the F.9 Saphire.
@joeyjoe-joejr.shabadoo536
@joeyjoe-joejr.shabadoo536 11 ай бұрын
The Panther was not the Navy's first jet fighter, the McDonnell FH Phantom was. It's first flight was January 1945, and entered service in August 1947, several months before the Panther's first flight.
@Otokichi786
@Otokichi786 11 ай бұрын
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/McDonnell_FH_Phantom
@DaveSCameron
@DaveSCameron 11 ай бұрын
Seems like there's quite a few mistakes in this one....
@cristiangarces5832
@cristiangarces5832 11 ай бұрын
8:28 WHAIT ARE THOSE 2 Arado 234 and a Dornier Do 335?!
@donpainton6219
@donpainton6219 9 ай бұрын
Never heard of them!
@Thomas-pq4ys
@Thomas-pq4ys 11 ай бұрын
Isn't foot-pounds a measurement of torque?
@SuperDiablo101
@SuperDiablo101 11 ай бұрын
I've been hoping you'd do a segment on this airplane as I've seen the last surviving aircraft at qounset point rhode Island many times but sadly the airbase is also closed for good. On a side note my grandfather served onboard the U.S.S Ticonderoga and his captain became the first commander of that airbase
@davidmurphy8190
@davidmurphy8190 11 ай бұрын
Sad to hear about NAS Quonset because it used to be capable of mooring an ESSEX Class CV pierside along the sea wall. Would have been a good spot for an LHA or other large amphibious warfare platform or other warship. The Navy has lost a lot of its capabilities and assets.
@williamchamberlain2263
@williamchamberlain2263 11 ай бұрын
0:30 a Swordfish with JTO
@paulwoodman5131
@paulwoodman5131 11 ай бұрын
When i see the T-tail, i think of the f101's pitch.up problem
@FLMKane
@FLMKane 11 ай бұрын
Ahhh THIS is the f15c I got at home😂
@PabloSanchez-qu6ib
@PabloSanchez-qu6ib 11 ай бұрын
This is akin to the first steamers having sails.
@JustDarrenJ
@JustDarrenJ 11 ай бұрын
8:35...Arado 234s in the background...
@daiichidoku
@daiichidoku 11 ай бұрын
8:29 just a couple of arado jet bombers casually laying about...
@jehb8945
@jehb8945 11 ай бұрын
Instead of using the land-based Mustang as a comparison for the three aircraft how about instead we use a proper carrier-borne aircraft the form of the -5 Corsair which matched the 469 miles an hour of the XF-15C which did have a higher climb rate but the f8f bearcat wasn't far behind it with a scant 500 ft per minute disadvantage Oddly enough there's actually a surviving prototype to the x f-15c don't get me wrong I still think is a very cool aircraft and I'm happy an example survives.
@maxo.9928
@maxo.9928 11 ай бұрын
2:04, ah yes, the Cutlass being the Cutlass, nothing unusual here.
@ninjalanternshark1508
@ninjalanternshark1508 11 ай бұрын
War Thunder needs the Fireball
@MIronLance
@MIronLance 11 ай бұрын
::::blinks:::: Allis-Chalmers... the same company I grew up with on the FARM? Made a licensed version of the de Havilland Goblin Mk35.... wtf....
@thedevilinthecircuit1414
@thedevilinthecircuit1414 8 ай бұрын
Propulzhion!
@edwardancona2635
@edwardancona2635 11 ай бұрын
OK, so "lbf" means "pounds of force" in thrust, but the narrator of the video says "foot-pounds of thrust"
@stonefree1911
@stonefree1911 11 ай бұрын
B-36.
@YouTube_user3333
@YouTube_user3333 11 ай бұрын
Who in their right mind calls their aircraft “Fireball”? That seems like the last name on the list, you would use 😆
@allangibson8494
@allangibson8494 11 ай бұрын
Ryan liked names starting with “fire” (like the Grumman cats). They had a much longer production run with the “BQM-111 Firebrand” and “AQM-91 Firefly”. They also built Navion’s to a design they bought off North American Aviation.
@63grandsport11
@63grandsport11 11 ай бұрын
I wonder why my Father always told me the FH-1 Phantom was the first Navy fighter when he was a CPO aboard the Roosevelt CVB42 . Didn't the first Phantoms joined the fleet in 1947.
@allangibson8494
@allangibson8494 11 ай бұрын
Possibly first aboard his ship.
@63grandsport11
@63grandsport11 11 ай бұрын
@@allangibson8494 then that means they were a couple years ahead of the F9f's and makes that the Navys first jet fighter.
@63grandsport11
@63grandsport11 11 ай бұрын
@@allangibson8494 That means it was the first jet fighter in US navy service not the F9F
@ronfry3324
@ronfry3324 11 ай бұрын
This is where I think Curtis failed. When you show the T tail version, there are not one but 2 Arado 235Bs and a Dornier 335 setting along the ramp in the background. One of the fastest piston aircraft ever built and a 550 mph+ jet bomber and yet here they are trying to build a already antique design. Don't get me wrong, I love the P40. And the P40Q was good looking. But after the P40 it seems Curtiss just could never get designers who could look outside the box and design something innovative or maybe it was Curtiss management who were afraid to take the risk. Jus a year later you had the Gruman Panther and Lockheed already had the P80. Give the Navy something they don't know they want until you give it to them.
@DaveSCameron
@DaveSCameron 11 ай бұрын
More money than sense
@DataRew
@DataRew 11 ай бұрын
I really feel like it would be helpful and appropriate for you to put the type of plane pictured, ESPECIALLY when you are showing a plane other than the subject one. That F7U carrier crash picture you keep on showing keeps on really making me think that, and other aviation channels practice this.
@jamieharris74
@jamieharris74 11 ай бұрын
Wouldn’t it be better to say “piston engines” rather than “propellor”?
@MBkufel
@MBkufel Ай бұрын
It's not foot-pounds, it's pound-force. Foot-pounds are a measure of torque.
@DK-sc4gn
@DK-sc4gn 11 ай бұрын
My guess "f" is pounds of force.
@treystephens6166
@treystephens6166 11 ай бұрын
Could the Plane defeat GODZILLA though ⁉️
@richardletaw4068
@richardletaw4068 11 ай бұрын
LOLOL
@Strike_Raid
@Strike_Raid 11 ай бұрын
lbf is pounds of force, not foot pounds.
@user-zx7dp3qp6u
@user-zx7dp3qp6u 11 ай бұрын
It seems like I remember a company named Ryan that came up with this same idea. It was called the Firebrand and then their was the Infamous Thunderschreak the loudest plane to ever fly.
@papachinoyt7560
@papachinoyt7560 11 ай бұрын
First comment lolol
@adamrodaway1074
@adamrodaway1074 11 ай бұрын
Dammit!
@the_unrepentant_anarchist.
@the_unrepentant_anarchist. 11 ай бұрын
Your parents must be e-v-e-r so proud... 🙄 🍄
@mccjoe01
@mccjoe01 11 ай бұрын
Oh my God! They actually named a fighter "fireball" lol. That's not a good idea...
@the_unrepentant_anarchist.
@the_unrepentant_anarchist. 11 ай бұрын
Does anyone have any idea what IHYLS stands for/means? Seriously, I'm losing sleep over it!! 😱 🍄
@fredbecker607
@fredbecker607 11 ай бұрын
Check his page..."I hope you learned something "
@robertkilroy5699
@robertkilroy5699 10 ай бұрын
Interesting video…the word is pro-pul-SHUN, not pro-pul- ZHUN. Sorry, it is just irritating to hear it pronounced wrong time after time.. Thanks!
@benjaminmiddaugh2729
@benjaminmiddaugh2729 10 ай бұрын
Talks about jet-powered planes potentially having higher speeds Shows a photo of the Bell X-1, a rocket-powered aircraft Hmmmm
@johnruddick686
@johnruddick686 11 ай бұрын
Naming your own aircraft "fireball" shows a distinct lack of confidence. Lol
@richardletaw4068
@richardletaw4068 11 ай бұрын
Lol
@daveogarf
@daveogarf 11 ай бұрын
*NOT* "Pro-PUHL-zshion!" - "Pro-PUHL-*SHUN!* The last syllable has an *"S", NOT a "Z" sound!* Your mispronunciation fills me with "REVULSHUN".
@danweyant4909
@danweyant4909 11 ай бұрын
Not even 2 minutes in and they feature a rocket powered plane while discussing early jets. Way to tank your credibility.
@vac65
@vac65 11 ай бұрын
Sorry chap, lbf stands for pounds-force (there is a formula to convert to Newtons). The traction is measured as a force. Pound-foot is a torque unit. as @edwardancona2635 makes the same indication. Kindly, please mark the mistake.😁😅
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