Custom Board For Voron 0 Printers (Fysetc Catalyst)

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In this video we dive into the Fysetc Catalyst Controller. This is a controller designed specifically for the Voron 0. The version I was sent comes with the main board, a toolhead board, and a display. We will cover the specs, what install is like and I will share my overall thoughts based on my experience with the Catalyst.
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@Shoikan
@Shoikan 10 ай бұрын
The exclamation mark in your password: this is not an issue with fysetcs implementation but a 'linux-ism'. In a linux commandline, something prefixed with an ! is treated special, but so are many other 'special' characters like the & and backslash. You get around this by using single quotes around what contains those special characters. So, if your password is $1!A&b, then you type '$1!A&b'. Don't use double quotes ("), because that instructs the shell to try and interpret those special characters anyway.
@ModBotArmy
@ModBotArmy 10 ай бұрын
Thank you for the explanation. This is the first time ever I have experienced this. I did reach out in their Discord and this was not something that was mentioned. That is great to know that it is easy to work around and I will pin this to hopefully inform others :)
@WereCatf
@WereCatf 10 ай бұрын
I would've just used a backslash, myself, ie. \!password -- backslash is used to escape individual special characters.
@Shoikan
@Shoikan 10 ай бұрын
@@WereCatf Correct 👍 But passwords often use (or should use) multiple 'special' characters. And this circumvents someone who isn't that comfortable with linux having to guess which are characters they have to escape and which are OK.
@alex59292
@alex59292 10 ай бұрын
Correct since it treats it like a string instead of an argument
@shanemshort
@shanemshort 10 ай бұрын
@@ModBotArmy if you're giving feedback to fysetc, it might be worth to make that shell script an interactive prompt which would likely get rid of any requirements to escape etc.
@Charlotte_Be_Like
@Charlotte_Be_Like 10 ай бұрын
Im so happy that modbot reviews and puts effort into things when no one else will. Its quite the struggle to figure these things out for a beginner so its such a help for many to know these things
@ModBotArmy
@ModBotArmy 10 ай бұрын
Thank you. With the issues I ran into this was a long process. From the reprinting/rebuilding and the config side it was much more than I had anticipated. I really hope it does help others though.
@isaiahschell
@isaiahschell 10 ай бұрын
It’s an awesome board! Just finished my Fysetc 0.2 R1 Pro build a couple days ago
@otann
@otann 10 ай бұрын
Another benefit of switching skirts to 0.2 is the filament runout sensor embedded in one of the feet. It requires some extra parts, but the placement is brilliant!
@Lab4450com
@Lab4450com 7 ай бұрын
Thanks for the mention!!
@oni2ink
@oni2ink 2 ай бұрын
The new Catalyst board is pretty cool (only included in their new Voron 0.2 kits) and seems to fix a lot of problems, especially this weird mess of wires to connect the head. Still some problems with documentation though, but the discord server is very active. I got one of their kits and I'm pretty happy with it.
@ticso24
@ticso24 10 ай бұрын
Good to see more info about this board. Inhad ordered an fysetc 0.2 kit, which should come with the cheeta board and separate umbilical breakout board. However, they upgraded my order to the 0.2R1 kit eith the Catalyst. The Cheeta has soldered drivers and a faster MCU. Plugable drivers is fine, not complaining about the slower MCU for plugable drivers. But I’m super sensible about trusted OS sources and running this system with a preinstalled OS is a problem. I also run my printers with Octoprint+Klipper, which means I have to deinstall whatever is already installed. Documentation is another problem, however there is a schematic and it looks like removing the CM68 and hooking the MCU to a Raspberry might be possible. Using another printer board is not easy, since I don’t have the umbilical breakout. I havn’t powered up the board yet, still building the printer. From the hardware standpoint this is a nice looking board and I really hope that there will be OS images from a trusted source without undefined preinstallations.
@muuzen7731
@muuzen7731 10 ай бұрын
Oh hey, I just finished my first v0 this morning. I put a SKR Pico in it but might upgrade to a Manta E3EZ and CB1 for the extra features. Nice to see a new board for it though
@rods87175
@rods87175 10 ай бұрын
Great concept but falls short of being a great choice for the price. Maybe price would be justified if it included CAN.
@pieyed1302
@pieyed1302 10 ай бұрын
Lol! That “Tom” must be one heck of a guy.😂😂. Great video!!
@groteboem
@groteboem 10 ай бұрын
Nice video! I agree it should have all the connections that are going to the toolheadboard also on the mainboard but shipping it with a Can toolheadboard I think is too crazy. On a V2 it makes sense, but for crossing a 20cm gap (not even in a cable chain) and with the possibility of just turning the printer around and accessing the electronics it is simply not worth the hassle. Can has it's downsides, it is difficult to set up.
@questioning3388
@questioning3388 10 ай бұрын
Umbilical seems silly when CAN is built in. To expensive to replace my BTT SKR pico and Raspberry pi zero W 2 . Under $75 would be more enticing for a full CAN setup
@Tomcat12789
@Tomcat12789 10 ай бұрын
It’s possible that it wasn’t retaining because the system was set to sync the drive at 30 minute intervals. I had that problem with the Fly Mellow V3 board’s web config. I ended up overwriting/hardcoding something to make it work reliably
@Tedlasman
@Tedlasman 10 ай бұрын
I really appreciate that they didn't go with canbus and went with a dumb toolboard
@shanemshort
@shanemshort 10 ай бұрын
I love the typo on the toolhead for the "ASXL" chip.
@DustinGorman
@DustinGorman 10 ай бұрын
Hey Daniel. I'd really appreciate a video covering the Dragon Burner. I can't seem to find any and I love the details you cover. Just an idea. Looking at putting it on a trident soon.
@ModBotArmy
@ModBotArmy 10 ай бұрын
It’s been on my list! Hopefully very soon 😊
@DustinGorman
@DustinGorman 10 ай бұрын
@ModBotArmy ah, sweet! Can't wait dude. Have a good day!
@Reds3DPrinting
@Reds3DPrinting 9 ай бұрын
hey modbot can you please lead me in he right direction to getting the latest voron 0.2 kit.. i found it on ali express but im worried about getting the wrong one. i really just want the latest on because i heard its better than the 0.1
@BRJR12341
@BRJR12341 10 ай бұрын
Can you tell me the brand of the pegboard style boards you have hanging on the wall.. Thanks
@ModBotArmy
@ModBotArmy 10 ай бұрын
It is skadis! Ikea sells it 😊
@MonkeyButlerLabs
@MonkeyButlerLabs 10 ай бұрын
Sort of torn on this one. Builders tend to be more technically savy; however, with so many people building their first printer making the process seamless is vital. The board looks super clean and tidy. I agree the package choices are... Unusual.
@tomaszkarwik6357
@tomaszkarwik6357 10 ай бұрын
8:52 why would one put ifconfig behind sudo?
@InfinitiVoidNeo
@InfinitiVoidNeo 10 ай бұрын
This sounds amazing. The MCU reminds me of BTT CB1 for Manta or Octopus. I love it, will probably get it while building myself a Voron 0
@nunopereira6092
@nunopereira6092 10 ай бұрын
I have the V0.2 non R1 kit. Frankly, i think my setup with the Cheetah 3.0 + Pi3B+ is superior to this, and the wiring at the back is as clean as what I'm seeing here, even with two separate boards + the umbilical.
@gruvinnz
@gruvinnz 10 ай бұрын
Price comparison wise, it looks like this board has a WAY more capable compute module (Klipper host), compared to rather minimal Manta with CB1 and especially the FLY-Gemini with it's ancient H5, with only 1GB RAM and no eMMC included (much slower to boot off of SD card). With that all taken into account, I think the price is very competitive. (The Manta could in theory be run on a CM4 compute module but those cost quite a lot more than the CM1's and good luck with getting all the software running on the different CPU etc.)
@twanheijkoop6753
@twanheijkoop6753 10 ай бұрын
Didn't have any performance issues yet with the cb1 even with 2 webcams setup. But having more compute available never hurts.
@gruvinnz
@gruvinnz 10 ай бұрын
@@twanheijkoop6753 Oh, I'm sure. Perhaps this new board is overkill, in that sense. Still seems worth the extra money to me - if only for the eMMC. Makes such a difference. Night and day.
@mocotonio
@mocotonio 9 ай бұрын
It seems like you haven't mentioned the significant performance boost of the CM68 compute module compared to the H616 on the CB1 or the H5 that comes with the Mellow Fly Gemini V3. Additionally, it's worth noting that the CM68, which is included with the catalyst, has 32GB of Integrated EMMC and 2GB of LPDDR4. In contrast, the CB1 only has 1GB of DDR3L and no EMMC, while the Mellow Fly Gemini V3 only has 1GB of RAM.
@Henkler3D
@Henkler3D 7 ай бұрын
Yes, but you cant flash your own linux image to the board. I dont trust the fysetc linux Image :/
@mocotonio
@mocotonio 7 ай бұрын
@@Henkler3D If that's a concern to you and you know what you're doing, you can make your image from scratch, wouldn't be that difficult.
@gruvinnz
@gruvinnz 10 ай бұрын
Also in general, all of these Chinese "Raspberry Pi nots", whilst currently more readily available and comparatively cheap, are almost always a nightmare to get running with many things that "just work" on a Raspberry Pi. It's common to get everything but one critical thing working and having to just give up in the end. Documentation (English esp.) is sparse at best, drivers for some things just don't exist at all and before any of that gets sorted out, the board will get abandoned for the next bleeding edge and completely incompatible version. It was here that you experienced most of your setup heartache, which was about par for the course for these SoCs - all that from someone with years of Linux experience. It boggled my mind that relative n00bs get anything working at all. Thank goodness for those forums! Otherwise, it's all awesome! :P
@ScottHess
@ScottHess 9 ай бұрын
My fear with them is how they’ll be in a couple years. Rpi has a real advantage, here, because their is is not taped together at the last minute, and they also maintain compatibility as new stuff comes out.
@needamuffin
@needamuffin 9 ай бұрын
0:32 There's a typo on the box. "OLED Dispaly"
@zDeathWizard
@zDeathWizard 10 ай бұрын
Do some og 360 videos again, rgh3 came out
@cvmagic404
@cvmagic404 10 ай бұрын
When in ssh and you need to put in character that has a special symbol you can escape it via a backslash or but the entire parameter in quotes. You shouldn't need to create a new wifi network for this.
@user-kn7dh5gq1t
@user-kn7dh5gq1t 10 ай бұрын
If you buy this one, you will engage in an in-depth study of Linux. Moreover, the kernel has no modules, the drivers are compiled into the kernel, which is why most of the hardware does not work (for example, my camera). Additionally, there are no ready-made images of the installed system. If you somehow damage the installed linux you have two options - throw the mainboard into the trash or get a PhD in making linux images on rk3568.
@IamEliWong
@IamEliWong 10 ай бұрын
drive.google.com/file/d/13Tcclv2N4jrMm01r_HPVqZ3v6CVUCk1H/view?usp=drive_link
@Idiot_Engineering
@Idiot_Engineering 10 ай бұрын
While it seems like a neat, but niche, controller board, the lacks of proper documentation on a single location really is a pain point. Discord is not a repository, or even a open forum. If Google can't go there, it shouldn't be the only place where such info resides. Unless I was mistaken, the problem was more of a Linux, rather than a this specifice board issue. So it could have been solved without, but still, not everyone has such knowledge.
@UloPe
@UloPe 10 ай бұрын
Can’t say I’m a fan of those recent new boards with the plug in step drivers. Feels like we had finally gotten away from them …
@ModBotArmy
@ModBotArmy 10 ай бұрын
So you like them embedded? It’s a mixed bag. Some only like replaceable in case one needs to be replaced you don’t have to swap the whole board. I’m indifferent. I have only ever had one fail and it was self inflicted.
@shanemshort
@shanemshort 10 ай бұрын
I'd rather have pluggable step sticks, that way if you damage one or want to upgrade you can just replace the very specific thing that needs changing. Less ewaste throwing an entire controller board away because you want 5160s or something. I do however think that moving from stepstick to the 'EZ' connectors that Mellow and BTT are doing makes a lot of sense. I just wish they'd standardise on a consistent pinout.
@UloPe
@UloPe 10 ай бұрын
@@ModBotArmy well I don’t necessarily “like” having them embedded just that I’ve had multiple issues with pluggable ones in the past (pinout incompatibilities, missing features due to lack of spi / uart, poor cooling, etc.) So yeah maybe just a better standard for pluggable drivers would solve most of those issues…
@williamanthony7224
@williamanthony7224 9 ай бұрын
I wish the community would move away from CAN and just make boards that took usb data lines and 24v
@alexey_sychev
@alexey_sychev 10 ай бұрын
Not enough USB ports. Wifi / Klipper Expander / HDMI display / portable ADXL - fail
@ModBotArmy
@ModBotArmy 10 ай бұрын
I guess it depends on your plans. I also would be happy with at least one more but ADXL I would only use when swapping toolhead parts or big mechanical changes mostly.
@alexey_sychev
@alexey_sychev 10 ай бұрын
@@ModBotArmy Also from the price point this board does not make any sense. Current price on Aliexpress is €113, BTT Manta 4p + CB1 costs €57 - this is epic fail
@ModBotArmy
@ModBotArmy 10 ай бұрын
@@alexey_sychev with the screen, toolhead board, and wire harness I am willing to add $20 in value but it still is overpriced IMO.
@ZeFoxii
@ZeFoxii 8 ай бұрын
Next time do “!password” the quotations make a big difference
@ZeFoxii
@ZeFoxii 8 ай бұрын
I say this because in Linux sometimes it gets funky
@adamdewolfe
@adamdewolfe 10 ай бұрын
I'm assuming this is more of a part made to be bundled w/ their Voron 0.2 kits, and sold on the side for additional income at a higher value. Definitely not worth $100 😬
@ModBotArmy
@ModBotArmy 10 ай бұрын
Yeah I feel the same way. Since they already made the board for their kit why not offer it as a standalone for those that may want it.
@odyss160
@odyss160 10 ай бұрын
awe, chinese product, hell of a good idea whatever it may be, may work super well also. just its up to you to document and figure out how to.
@anticom1337
@anticom1337 10 ай бұрын
first :)
@ciaduck
@ciaduck 10 ай бұрын
I really dislike the trend of open source projects putting documentation on Discord. It's an unnecessary hurdle, and a closed ecosystem. You require users to have an account, and if something ever happens to the server, all the info is destroyed and unrecoverable. Discord is not for documentation!
@Etrehumain123
@Etrehumain123 9 ай бұрын
Fully agreed
@DriftDeeper
@DriftDeeper 10 ай бұрын
So basically dont buy this thing, seems like its still in beta
@NexGen-3D
@NexGen-3D 10 ай бұрын
Nice informative video, but this kit is honestly a waste of time and way overpriced, I run a single USB cable to my tool-heads on all my machines, which is the same as running CAN, its also only 4 wires as well, and for the price of this Kit, I can buy almost all of the parts to build a Voron 0.2, the kit would need to be sub $75 and be using, CAN or USB connection to the tool head, I think Fystec have wasted time and money on this, one can buy a MKS-SKIPR with 3.5" Screen and a THR-36 tool board for far less, and these boards are far more capable, or you can also pickup a Kingroon Cheater board (also made by MKS) and use a Mellow or BTT USB/CAN tool board, this would bring the cost right down, the Cheater board has everything you need for a Voron 0.2 and its cheap. The Cheater board and the BTT EBB will set you back around $100 USD retail, so half the price.
@user-6tfvk70k78
@user-6tfvk70k78 10 ай бұрын
Hi 👋 you are absolutely right. Fyscet is awful company. There are very few documents for the board on the site.
@ModBotArmy
@ModBotArmy 10 ай бұрын
I did not say they are an awful company.
@ticso24
@ticso24 10 ай бұрын
I love my spider boards. I just don’t like preinstalled OS from random companies in my network.
@theglowcloud2215
@theglowcloud2215 10 ай бұрын
Fysetc really needs to change their name. Was it meant to be Fystec? Because Fysetc is fucking unpronounceable.
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