I'm very sorry to hear that, I hope they make things right. Just out of curiosity though, what exactly was the problem with the fit? And what did they ask you in terms of questions about how you did the measurements? It sounds like maybe they were skeptical of your measurements for some reason?

I shoot righty, my thumb knuckle is abnormally large, 25mm across. That's what they kept questioning. I used their measurement instructions. I also have several rings from Vermile Archery and have no problems. S I guess they just couldn't believe my thumb was that large. I tried to call them on the phone but could not get an answer. I believe they are in new england some where. So they just sent 3 rings so large they just fall off. I couldn't understand why they would do that.

An update to above posts. I did get the problem solved. I then purchased the chinese spur ring. It is great!! the spur hits the arrow and actually positions itself properly on the string under the arrow. !! No skin pinch, no moving about during the draw. It's not metal but is very durable and doesn't seem to scratch. I got it with the metallic coloring and decoration.

ya think?

Why can't you? Etsy.com is made for stuff like that.

The position of the thumb is a little different when using a lipless ring. And yes, I do think there are some similarities to how a Manchu ring is used, like having only a slight bend in the thumb, and catching the string on the narrow edge. Obviously the two still have significant differences, but in their manner of usage they are more alike to each other than they are compared to lipped rings. If you look at the very large, almost cylindrical ring at 1:15 of the video, one can imagine how a Manchu ring could have hypothetically originated, as part of a gradual evolution from an Ottoman-like lipless ring, to a lipless ring with a small tongue and large band, to finally the cylindrical form. That's just one idea, though. There could be other explanations.

ryddragyn I see. Could you perhaps do a video on the differences in technique between using the two? I know for certain that if I use a lipless ring with my technique, the string will just bite into my thumb. Or have you one already?

+ABCantonese I have not done a video myself but there are other youtubers who have described it well. kzfaq.info/get/bejne/ecmqgrSi1bjZfqM.html The key is not bending the thumb a lot. You're almost pointing it forward. And letting the string catch on the ring.

The weight of the metal ring itself, or the draw weight of the bow when using the ring?

The steel version is about $40. In fairness, it's not attractive to look at, but for function I do prefer the gritty texture over polished copper alloy rings.

the orginal name of the ring is Zihgir in turkic languages.