Paris Ashcroft I call it parttimers.. not full on alltimers 😂

I call it oldhiemer’s disease. I’ve had since I was a young man.

Mike Adams so true mistakes are new lessons, unless you keep making the same ones lol

I cut shit wrong all the time. With a Skil saw. But chainsaws. Those are my friend s.

Once ya learn the ways of the square there's no going back... be one with the square...let it flow threw you😉👍

Where is "Here" Justin?

That's incredible we did weeks on the framing square 30 + yrs ago in trade school. Hell I think i can do my taxes on it.

I can't stand imperial, it's like dude is writing a book about simple measurement. Actually, he just is. Love his material though. 5 minutes in and he's still converting garbage measurement into garbage measurement, unbelievable.

You could use this to explain why metric just makes more sense lol

It's basically the engineer's creed, and by golly I try to live by it every day.

I never heard this phrase but definitely will remember it. My shop teacher dad ended with do it right the 1st time! At 88 he is still that way and safety conscious.

Actually, that's been my motto since I was a kid, but not always in a good way. My kids laugh at me that this is my rule for everything in life.

My Dad was a machinist and he said this often too.

Craig Blanche have you spent any time, let alone a full day, with kids in the last 5-10 years? They are work nowadays!

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Me too. I ended up devising my own system. I set the ridge and then measured to the back of the birds mouth diagonally across the board. Test fit, then trace from a template. I know, I know, a complete abomination to any self-respecting rafter man, but it did/does work and I had to do it that way bcz the boss (the real rafter man) would never take the time to show me the right way.

Only stupid way is the way that doesn’t work

@@psidvicious That's exactly how I'd taught myself how to do it as well. Seemed like the easiest way to be able to measure it out.

@@Gottesacker86 Haha! It seemed like the easiest way at the time, not knowing any better, right? You already know what the pitch angle is, so that’s not a problem transferring that to the board. Just needed that one pesky measurement for the rafter length 🤷‍♂️

psidvicious exactly! I have to admit too, I’d never thought to do the rafters first, then the ridge. Though thinking about it, I’d watched Larry Haun do it that way too, but I guess once you’ve got your way of doing it, ya tend to stick to it. I’ll definitely try this method out next time though.

Larry had poor work habits like overcutting birds mouths. Slopy workmanship. This guy is much better.

But he is still better than your carpentry work and you will not reach his level of productivity and skills even if you are the same age as him. The less ppe they wear, the more sketchy cuts and questionable shortcuts they make to make it structural and productive the better they are. Both of the older gentlemen are great carpenters in their owns way and we should all learn from every carpenter as much as possible.

Did someone just say Larry Haun had poor workmanship...? I never thought anyone could say a single bad thing about the man.

@@dielauwen careful now, dissing Larry is an enditable offence. Larey wasn't sloppy, he knew exactly how much strength he was working with. Modern materials are different. We don't use old growth timbers any more, its farmed softwoods and OSB and so on, so the techniques need to adjust to materials. We also know a lot more about engineering, so where Larry's house may not have survived a tornado, a modern house may. That's a design factor, not a sloppy builder. Larry was very clear about following the code and said so constantly. If the code changes over time, so would have Larry.

dielauwen Ridiculous. I knew Larry and trust me there was nothing sloppy about him, and his work habits changed the way houses were framed. There is nothing wrong with overcutting a birds-mouth the way Larry did it. The tail was still 500% stronger than it needed to be. He saved 10 steps doing that. He and his 2 brothers framed one house per day, every day, for years, mostly nailing by hand Try that before commenting on “work habits”.

It juju

Just finished building a simple-ish staircase for my son's trampoline. Love that smell of cut wood :)

Love construction and your videos sir

That smell always reminds me of being in my great granddad's shop

That's good....you got out of Imperial into decimal on the first line of your solution.

@@davidrichardson376 Standard uses decimal also, there is nothing specifically metric about it.

@@firesurfer IMHO a decimal fraction of a foot is absurd. Decimal fractions are at home in metric.

@@davidrichardson376 Don't tell that to surveyors. www.amazon.com/engineering-scale-ruler/s?k=engineering+scale+ruler They use tenths all the time. images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/616s6ukMgKL._AC_SX522_.jpg

A framing square is the real thing as it has inches with a tenth scale, a twelfth scale and even sixteenth for die hard customary/imperial people.

Jim Harris I believe a crown should always be hung with the high side up. The theory is the weigh will bring it flat; whereas if it’s opposite, gravity will only make it worse.

Thank you very much! It definitely fades away though doesn’t it! It’s been quite a while since I cut a roof and I’ll tell you what it just was not the same this time.

i absolutely laughed out loud on that one

If you actually learn standard, it makes much more sense than metric.

@@bobsmith-ru7xp Your right people complain then dont bother to learn anything.

@@bobsmith-ru7xp It really does not in any way shape or form make more sense than metric. Ever.

@@eggsoups Don't know about North American rulers but all rulers in Europe go down to the millimetre.

It's only difficult for those that don't use it. I don't need a calculator to do 1/16" conversion because I use it all the time. The same goes for using cups/pints/quarts/etc. I rarely need to convert inches to feet since every measuring tape I own has both and I'm sure he doesn't either. There are numerous short cuts for these calculations that he isn't showing in order to explain them. The imperial system is so easy to learn we teach children in the United States how to use both it and the metric system. The imperial system is based on biological averages. I can use parts of my body to rough out measurements. My index finger middle joint is about 1" long (25mm). My foot is about .. a foot (30cm). It's about a yard from my outstretched hand to my nose, a fathom between my hands. When I walk, it's about 5' between two steps, so I can measure out the distance. Very handy when playing golf. One hundred degrees is just about the average body temperature. We could just as easily use decimal-marked imperial tools. Why don't we?? Because the imperial measuring system is based on powers of two. It's pretty darn easy to divide things by half or double. The fractions aren't that difficult for people that do it all the time. And, as you noticed, if it's within 1/16", it's close enough for most woodworking. If I am working with metal, I might measure in metric or I might switch to measuring devices that use decimal values instead of fractions. Most of my digital measuring devices can display in metric and either decimal or fractional imperial. Here is the US, we teach metric and imperial in our schools. We give our citizens the option to use either. All products sold have both metric and imperial measurements on them. Almost every thermometer has centigrade and Fahrenheit. When I cook, I tend to weigh things and use grams when I'm making bread. But I'm just as capable of using a button on the scale to change to pounds/ounces if I prefer. All of my measuring cups have liters, cups, pints, quarts, and fluid ounces. The US has historically chosen freedoms over the need for the government to babysit them and tell them what is best for them. I believe that started almost 250 years ago when we told the British that we would just do things our way and they can leave us alone. In the 70s when the government tried to tell us to switch to metric, we told them to shove off.

"Do as I say and not as I do " the king said"my foot Will be the standard.

My favourite part is having to convert the measurement to decimal, do the calculation, and convert back again to measure... there are some benefits to imperial, but they’re massively outweighed by the math-friendliness of metric

I moved to Texas almost 2 years ago. I am a qualifed builder, I use both but metric is far more accurate and better to use.

In Canada we have metric system but as a carpenter for shy of 40 yrs I still use imperial system . Laying out cabinetry is nice to use metric .

Yep.....Imperial measurements waste head space !!!

@@davidrichardson376 no, metric suck. hard to see numerical errors. 0.01 cm = 1 mm = 0.0001 m.

@@LongNguyen-ds4hf Think I found your problem- 0.1cm = 1mm = 0.001 m. You're off by a decimal point in your conversions.

@@LongNguyen-ds4hf Smart people use "mm" for everything............easy as.................

@@LongNguyen-ds4hf That's why in construction all measurements are in mm so you don't have to worry about unit conversions

Yeah, you already have the measurement there. but then multiply part of it with 16 to get something you can read on a thing that is meant to measure stuff. I am blown away with how people put up with all these conversions. On the other hand. they can multiply and combine fractions way better than I can.

Michael Hamburg its easy if you have sufficient IQ.

@@badlandskid But way more susceptible to errors in calculation. Especially if not every person on the site has a good math sense.

The metric system is global, the UK uses both, whichever suits, it’s only Murcans that still don’t commonly use metric, except their scientists of course.😬

@@badlandskid the whole thing was dumb. he had to do 2 fraction conversions and use a lookup table. with 10th grade math and metric it would be much simpler. he wrote a wrong number in the middle of his video explaining how to do it this way

You should go to a standard doctor.

I hope your self isolating

Wonderful news! Thanks!

The standard system of measurement if you please.

Last season he was building in 40 below.

You don't know how many times I've said this to my wife.

But if at all possible, enjoy both.

@@Carl-LaFong1618 I somehow feel there is a joke lurking deep within your statement. :)

Because we're idiots. lol. Seriously though, I hate it.

Actually it’s only two. The other 5.5 Billion humans including the two largest nations on earth all use metric

Now I remember why I was a mudder not that my mudder was a mudder, but I was a mudder so as to hide all the flaws of those who couldn't do math. So if you can't do math become a mudder even though your mudder will probably not not thrilled, because you are a mudder. By the way you can be a mudder whether you are a male or female unless you are a mudder.

@@robinturner2300 Liberia, Myanmar and the USA....... I'm useing my crazy metric system to count, but I'm sure that 3?

My tape measure only has 1 inch and half inch measurements any smaller than that and you are not producing enough

Alexander Warren if God wanted us to use the metric system he would have given us 10 disciples.

@Lazy eye 😂😂😂😂

@@j.hemlock8284 If god had wanted us to use the imperial system he would have given us twelve fingers. :)

Good video guys! And besides the metric and imperial system of measurement that a lot of people are raving on about, what about “Pitch ratios v Pitch in degrees”! Using metric and Understanding the degree calculation method can be easily applied to Roofing and many other areas of carpentry, engineering, architecture etc etc etc. Im in my 60s now but Roof was and still is one of my favourite sports, so just for the craic, half span for this roof in the video is 2984.5mm, 2984.5 / cos (33.69) = 3587mm. And back to inches and the rafter length is 141, 7/32 inches!