Cutting Helical Gears on the Horizontal Mill 3: Installing & Setting up the Universal Head

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Keith Rucker - VintageMachinery.org

Keith Rucker - VintageMachinery.org

Жыл бұрын

Cutting Helical Gears on the Horizontal Mill 3: Installing & Setting up the Universal Head
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@thefixerofbrokenstuff
@thefixerofbrokenstuff Жыл бұрын
Can't wait till the next episode. I can't wrap my head around how the x and y is gonna work .
@TheFreshmanWIT
@TheFreshmanWIT Жыл бұрын
Same here, I have no idea how this is going to work, I thought the piece has to be introduced and move at a 45 degree angle to the cutter, and if the table isn't turned (just the cutter is!), that won't be the case. There must be some trick here that I'm just missing!
@sharkrivermachine
@sharkrivermachine Жыл бұрын
I agree. I think that when he tries it we will see another setup. I have a similar but much smaller gear to cut and I need to angle the workpiece not the cutter to get the angle.
@devriesfabmachine8721
@devriesfabmachine8721 Жыл бұрын
@@TheFreshmanWIT it should work, the piece is at a 45 degree angle to the cutter either way you look at it. your first thought is it would feed into the side of the cutter, but the rotation of the gear blank is matched to the feed of the table keeping the cutter square to the actual cut as it goes through.
@mhansl
@mhansl Жыл бұрын
Same. I know it’s the relationship between feed rate and rotation, but picturing it in my head... this project has my full attention.
@chrisarmstrong8198
@chrisarmstrong8198 Жыл бұрын
@@TheFreshmanWIT The cutting action must stay in line with the gear teeth. So the gear blank will rotate clockwise as the table moves to the left, the same as it would have in the previous setup if there had been no clearance issues.
@machineshopatthebottomofth3213
@machineshopatthebottomofth3213 Жыл бұрын
My wife just said ‘are you listening to Keith Rucker again?’ I have listened to so many of your videos that she knows your voice!
@jackdawg4579
@jackdawg4579 Жыл бұрын
Engine hoists make life so much easier in the shed. About the only thing mine has never been used for is lifting an engine!
@PixelSchnitzel
@PixelSchnitzel Жыл бұрын
I'd like to cast my vote for your K&T mill as the most anthropomorphic machine tool on KZfaq. 🙂
@theodoreshasta7846
@theodoreshasta7846 Жыл бұрын
It’s such a pleasure to watch you work as your videos are highly instructive. You are such a wonderful teacher you hold my attention even though I am not a machinist. The workers with the skills you demonstrate make our lives of relative comfort and abundance possible. Thank you!
@maggs131
@maggs131 Жыл бұрын
I'm probably wrong but I'll put this out there. When you had this setup in typical fashion with the long arbor and table swiveled to 45° could you have retracted the over arms and put the cutter on the outside of the support you removed in favor of the universal head?
@34k5
@34k5 Жыл бұрын
Exactly what i thought and how i cut gears on my bridgeport with an unsupported arbor.
@johnsherborne3245
@johnsherborne3245 Жыл бұрын
That’s good lateral thinking. The art of thinking what you want to achieve and then filling the gap with what you have, rather than what you don’t. Thanks.
@KPSchleyer
@KPSchleyer Жыл бұрын
Was thinking the same thing! Save a ton of work
@petemclinc
@petemclinc Жыл бұрын
I don't know if that would work since you need the arbor nut which would be in the way of cutter.
@peterparsons3297
@peterparsons3297 Жыл бұрын
necessity is the mother of invention
@charleskyler1928
@charleskyler1928 Жыл бұрын
Thanks Keith, I was just about to type “why not use a longer arbor?”, then you explained it. I’m still learning.
@gagasmancave8859
@gagasmancave8859 Жыл бұрын
Really interesting project, I have so much respect for the guys of old who used to do this day in day out and not really think about it, sorry to say we're losing those skilled craftsmen, a gear cutting Co closed down here in Coventry England not so long ago
@Scodiddly
@Scodiddly Жыл бұрын
I'm pretty sure they thought a lot about it. Probably got into some arguments at lunch, too. :)
@darkhorsegarage9623
@darkhorsegarage9623 Жыл бұрын
It’s been so much fun watching you build this setup because I’ve watch each piece as it was added. What a project. How many gears are involved to make a gear ?😂
@joshmiville6932
@joshmiville6932 Жыл бұрын
I was wondering how the 50 taper worked if they had a drawbar or not and then you answered my question, thanks Keith great video as always
@geraldharkness8830
@geraldharkness8830 Жыл бұрын
another brilliant and learning video keith!
@williamdavis7094
@williamdavis7094 Жыл бұрын
been anticipating this very much
@CraigLYoung
@CraigLYoung Жыл бұрын
Thanks for sharing 👍
@MrChevelle83
@MrChevelle83 Жыл бұрын
awesome work!!! you are on it!! I love it!!!
@floridaflywheelersantiquee7578
@floridaflywheelersantiquee7578 Жыл бұрын
Thanks for sharing
@jasonh3109
@jasonh3109 Жыл бұрын
What an amazing machine! I love how you are using it as was intended. Great stuff!!!
@Tammy-un3ql
@Tammy-un3ql Жыл бұрын
Really interesting project,
@bulletproofpepper2
@bulletproofpepper2 Жыл бұрын
Thanks for sharing.
@yosmith1
@yosmith1 Жыл бұрын
wow, what a project....a lot to learn
@paulpipitone8357
@paulpipitone8357 Жыл бұрын
Thanks Keith I can’t Waite to actually see you getting this done
@geneard639
@geneard639 Жыл бұрын
The are so many set up steps for this one! Can't wait for the next one!
@varmint243davev7
@varmint243davev7 Жыл бұрын
Thank You !
@normmcrae1140
@normmcrae1140 Жыл бұрын
Rube Goldberg would be SO PROUD!
@6NBERLS
@6NBERLS Жыл бұрын
Most excellent.
@kentuckytrapper780
@kentuckytrapper780 Жыл бұрын
Great video Keith, keep'um coming..
@elsdp-4560
@elsdp-4560 Жыл бұрын
Thank you for sharing. Enjoyed.👍👀
@ddblairco
@ddblairco Жыл бұрын
thank you Keith, following the whole project. step by step.
@EyeintheSky999
@EyeintheSky999 Жыл бұрын
Love the old school cliff hanger until next time. You are definitely pulling out all the tips and tricks on this project.
@billmckillip1561
@billmckillip1561 Жыл бұрын
Amazing flexibility in that old machine!
@richardcorcoran1151
@richardcorcoran1151 Жыл бұрын
Been lookin" for you. You are always so predictable, but surprised us today. Good video, thanks.
@andrewdalgarno5322
@andrewdalgarno5322 Жыл бұрын
Loved seeing the transition to the vertical head. I have a 50's era milling machine that I would love to adapt a vertical head to. Getting some ideas here watching this! Andrew
@hemipatton7799
@hemipatton7799 Жыл бұрын
Keith LOVE watching you use and work these old machines! just so interesting and fascinating to watch how it was once done!
@mdouglaswray
@mdouglaswray Жыл бұрын
Amazingly versatile tool! Fascinating to watch you configure it. GREAT that you're making videos that can serve as operator documentation for the future! Old iron never dies!
@chestervaldes7551
@chestervaldes7551 Жыл бұрын
Thank you for my relaxation therapy. My blood pressure has come down to normal.
@jimlangerie
@jimlangerie Жыл бұрын
I am REALLY looking forward to seeing you make chips here. Wow.
@tommybewick
@tommybewick Жыл бұрын
What a surprise! You put an evening video out instead of in the morning. Always love your videos Keith you do a great job! By the way my third son's name is Keith!
@Vickwick58
@Vickwick58 Жыл бұрын
I'm gonna turn 64 next week. I hope I live long enough to see the end of this series. : )
@johnflynn5242
@johnflynn5242 Жыл бұрын
I have had to install the wheel cutter on the out side of the overhead support to gain clearance at times. it looks dangerous but works ok with light cuts.
@patrickcolahan7499
@patrickcolahan7499 Жыл бұрын
Well Keith, you have no lack of projects. Seems your projects each generator 4 or 5 projects to do all by themselves. Thanks very much for sharing.
@danhei
@danhei Жыл бұрын
Man what a lot of time spent on just setting up the machine to cut one gear. My trade was in leather before I retired. Set up was laying the hide on the cutting table, measuring or tracing a pattern to make cuts. Cheers from 🇨🇦
@vogs72
@vogs72 Жыл бұрын
A pleasure to watch, amplified by the fact I can just buy the piece I’m watching be machined.
@firestorm755
@firestorm755 Жыл бұрын
I'm not sure which is more impressive. Learning to use and using that machine in all its configurations or draining and building it in the first place!
@kimber1958
@kimber1958 Жыл бұрын
PROBLEM SOLVING, GREAT JOB
@erneststorch9844
@erneststorch9844 Жыл бұрын
I sharpen cutting tools for a living and if you ever need one sharpened I would be happy to fix one up for you no change. Even if you have one that is badly burned up didn't throw it out. It can be fixed a lot easier than you might think . The key to doing it right is maintaining the correct rake angle by the offset marked on the cutter. Changing the rake angle will change the form. If someone has cut it wrong it too can be easily fixed. And I don't burn up the cutter. Give me a try some time.
@hectorpascal
@hectorpascal Жыл бұрын
A remarkably versatile mill ! (If you have all the add-ons!)
@jenniferwhitewolf3784
@jenniferwhitewolf3784 Жыл бұрын
I remember a machinist I knew decades ago that had long arbor shafts for cutting severe angle gears. He had a pair of half open pedestals with 'half moon' bearing openings on top that were placed near the gear on each side, for support of the shafts. It really stopped vibration and was 100% out of the way.
@Paul-FrancisB
@Paul-FrancisB Жыл бұрын
Hi Keith from the UK
@andreyvolf6217
@andreyvolf6217 Жыл бұрын
Спасибо большое за очень интересное видео, ваш опыт и науку.!!))
@TorgeirFredriksen
@TorgeirFredriksen Жыл бұрын
Obviously its a lot of work to cut a helical gear the manual way. Been waiting for this since the first video several months ago. Very interesting to see how much is involved. I would never imagine... Thank you for sharing all the details.
@petemclinc
@petemclinc Жыл бұрын
Actually this project started 2 years ago...
@TorgeirFredriksen
@TorgeirFredriksen Жыл бұрын
@@petemclinc With the acquisition of the lead attachment you mean? I don't think the work on the gears has been going so long.
@thisolesignguy2733
@thisolesignguy2733 Жыл бұрын
Next video: adding the toilet paper holder attachment and radial arm back scratcher! Man, that milling machine is so awesome
@AmateurRedneckWorkshop
@AmateurRedneckWorkshop Жыл бұрын
Eagerly anticipating the cutting of the gears. Most likely will be better than the running of the bulls.
@ian666if
@ian666if Жыл бұрын
In the dim and distant past, I had a similar problem. I solved it by mounting the cutter outboard of the arbor support, getting just enough clearance to do the job.
@petemclinc
@petemclinc Жыл бұрын
How did you work around the arbor nut? How did you key the cutter and did you use any spacers?
@charleskyler1928
@charleskyler1928 Жыл бұрын
Wow, no good deed… you’re a patient man.
@ablelock
@ablelock Жыл бұрын
Well, hopefully Keith, it won’t be too long before you’re ready to send out more videos on this with all of been waiting a long time to see how the gears are going to go maybe put up more videos per day would be a good thing I know I would be interested in watching them even if there was two or three videos a day please we could see what the project is in the process that you’re going through. Look forward to more videos when you can get them out
@paulcopeland9035
@paulcopeland9035 Жыл бұрын
You know he has a full time job.....right??
@Woodsguy
@Woodsguy Жыл бұрын
The way I see it, you still need the table at 45 degrees and the head in line with the machine spindel. If you feed on the X axis with the table straight and the head at 45, the cutter will cut sideways on an angle and will destroy the blank and maybe the cutter as well.
@bradhayworth2926
@bradhayworth2926 Жыл бұрын
I was thinking the exact same thing. I'm curious to see what his solution is for that.
@greghare4226
@greghare4226 Жыл бұрын
@@bradhayworth2926 Remember the blank will be rotating at a ratio of 45 Deg. or in line with the cutter. It's still pretty hard to wrap your head around!
@WilliamTMusil
@WilliamTMusil Жыл бұрын
Hiya Keith
@nobuckle40
@nobuckle40 Жыл бұрын
That old K&T is turning into some kind of ancient monster with all that equipment attached to it. It saddens me to see these skills going by the wayside. Nothing against CNC but I think it tends to make us lazy. I think it causes us to forget how much skill was involved in creating set ups like this. Personally, I appreciate you desire and willingness to preserve the old ways.
@slypig24
@slypig24 Жыл бұрын
We used to realign out Huron universal table with a dial indicator, attached to table, and sweep machined column..but don't do it the other way round.
@H60Blackhawkmtp
@H60Blackhawkmtp Жыл бұрын
Keith could’ve had this done weeks ago if he would have just sat in his recliner with a nail file & a depth gauge.
@kensherwin4544
@kensherwin4544 Жыл бұрын
Given your demonstrated ability to find parts that us mortals can't, you need to get a parking attachment for that head. Even Adam had to give up and make one but you can show us yours next week.
@garychaplin9861
@garychaplin9861 Жыл бұрын
Great video, love all the explanations.. One question. As I understand it involute profile gears did not become common until the 1940's. Being from a 1928 Austin is it not probable that this is a cycloid gear? How would you tell the difference and identify the pressure angle that the manufacturer used?
@MyLilMule
@MyLilMule Жыл бұрын
I have the same head for my 2HL Plain. I don't have a low lead attachment or a K&T dividing head. I'd love to have the model H dividing head he isn't using. :)
@oregonexpat
@oregonexpat Жыл бұрын
I can’t see why not, so I will ask; can’t you mount the cutting disc on the outside of the support arm? With such a short stick-out, it shouldn’t have any vibration issues. Or am I missing something?
@ThePottingShedWorkshop
@ThePottingShedWorkshop Жыл бұрын
The rigidity wouldnt be any worse than on the unsupported universal head!
@crae4259
@crae4259 Жыл бұрын
You should do some side consulting work with KitchenAid designing attachments.😀
@earleclemans4836
@earleclemans4836 Жыл бұрын
Why not put overarm support inboard of cutter or longer driveshaft and move dividing head over to the left?
@ydonl
@ydonl Жыл бұрын
Confused? Sure. :) Get you a soda can or something, and a marker. Draw the spirals on the can, at 45 degrees. Now, hold the can between your left and right hands, and rotate it. You need to keep the path of one of your spirals right underneath a cutter of some kind. The rotation and the left-right motion have to be synchronized; that's what the attachment does. The cutter could be something like an a pointy end mill, I suppose, but what you really want is a form gear cutter, to make the teeth the right shape. And the cutter's going to have to be at 45 degrees, to stay in line with the gear tooth being cut; in line with the lines on the can. None of this makes any sense if the can is not rotating in sync with the horizontal motion.
@SciPunk215
@SciPunk215 Жыл бұрын
It's about the journey, not the destination.
@RobertKohut
@RobertKohut Жыл бұрын
Interesting... 🙂
@James-fs4rn
@James-fs4rn Жыл бұрын
👍
@tedmiles2110
@tedmiles2110 Жыл бұрын
This is the first time us You Tube folks have seen you put in the four cap screws; the first time you installed the Universal Vertical Head, you did not have them. I am glad you are getting closer to cutting the spiral gear. What is it for by the way?
@alantrimble2881
@alantrimble2881 Жыл бұрын
It's an upper (camshaft) timing gear for an antique engine, IIRC.
@The_Modeling_Underdog
@The_Modeling_Underdog Жыл бұрын
@@alantrimble2881 Wasn't it for the 1928 Austin engine?
@scottjohnson1698
@scottjohnson1698 Жыл бұрын
Put the over arm support inbord of the cutter
@LanceMcGrew
@LanceMcGrew Жыл бұрын
7:16 only a true machinist knows what "dead nuts" is :)
@tiredoldmechanic1791
@tiredoldmechanic1791 Жыл бұрын
Couldn't you put the cutter on the outside of the support to miss the gearhead. I'm puzzled at how having the cutting head at an angle will cut an angled gear with the table moving straight across it. I'll keep watching to see.
@djfaber
@djfaber Жыл бұрын
hope you're cutting more than one of those gears after all this headache with setup.
@andrewskipwith9401
@andrewskipwith9401 Жыл бұрын
Is it possible to use the overarm support in the middle of the arbor with the cutter extending out to the end?
@brycejeannotte7699
@brycejeannotte7699 Жыл бұрын
I noticed that there are 3 zerk connectors on the top of the universal head. Do you inject grease or oil into those?
@floydblake175
@floydblake175 Жыл бұрын
Just waiting to see you turn the feed table parallel with the the cutter.....
@transmaster
@transmaster Жыл бұрын
The cam drive gear Keith will make will be of much higher quality than the original.
@ellieprice363
@ellieprice363 Жыл бұрын
It took a bit to get my head around what’s happening here. To cut a helical gear the cutter is turning, the gear is slowly rotated and the table is slowly moving all the same time. Helical gear teeth are slightly curved, making them very different from straight gear teeth.
@brianellinger6622
@brianellinger6622 Жыл бұрын
You can rest assured that everything will be on camera and we know your real identities
@FeralPreacher
@FeralPreacher Жыл бұрын
Just can't wrap my head around the cutter being at 45* and the table being at 0*. My mind says it will not cut straight, but rather will 'mill' across the top. My perspective is obviously not seeing something. Can't wait to see the follow up video.
@natedoerfler652
@natedoerfler652 Жыл бұрын
That's what I was thinking. I guess the rotation of the part will compensate??
@FeralPreacher
@FeralPreacher Жыл бұрын
@@natedoerfler652 Perhaps, but my perspective says no. Guess we will see. Glad I am not alone in confusion. lol
@brianpilegard
@brianpilegard Жыл бұрын
I think an H-mill will feed the x and y axis simultaneously. So maybe combo of x , y , and rotation in dividing head will do it?
@johnmcanulty7341
@johnmcanulty7341 Жыл бұрын
My guess: He'll turn the table back to 45 and turn the universal head shaft so it is identical to the horz. mill configuration. He then has clearance to cut. Can't wait for part 4.
@johnfriend240
@johnfriend240 Жыл бұрын
Was thinking that all those adjustment/clamp bolts would benefit from a socket wrench...
@bcbloc02
@bcbloc02 Жыл бұрын
I suspect the longer mandrel with it turned the other way would have been more rigid as now you have the cutter with a lot more flex instead of the part with a little more. Lots of ways to skin that cat though. 🙂
@richardcurtis556
@richardcurtis556 Жыл бұрын
Is it unnecessary to tran the head more accurately than what can be read on the index dials?
@dvddale111
@dvddale111 Жыл бұрын
Push the bearing supports in about 6 inches and put cutter on end of shaft?
@scubaguy5
@scubaguy5 Жыл бұрын
you need the parking attachment :)
@grandpaseed
@grandpaseed Жыл бұрын
it looked to me as if that first setup would have worked with a longer shaft to hold the gear blank but what do I know, not much.
@MrChevelle83
@MrChevelle83 Жыл бұрын
i see them old school craftsman tools!!! mostly made in china now tho
@MattWybiral
@MattWybiral Жыл бұрын
I hope you're charging this guy per episode. lol
@TheOzIcedog
@TheOzIcedog Жыл бұрын
Maybe I'm missing something but why not mount the gear blank on a longer mandrel to get more clearance from the index head?
@miketoney1660
@miketoney1660 Жыл бұрын
i dont think the way you are going to be cutting the teeth is going to work because your slide table is going to be moving at a right angle to the cutter, also are the teeth on the gear right or left angle? i do enjoy your videos and look forward to the next one.
@CezaryAkakios
@CezaryAkakios Жыл бұрын
I'm sure the degree marks on the rotating base are accurate enough for most needs, but what would you do if you wanted to indicate the table after rotating it (for peace of mind)? I've been racking my brain trying to think of a way to set up an indicator to nudge the table perpendicular and I can't think of a good setup. I guess you would need to hold a large ground flat surface in a collet and then another straight edge parallel to the table, and measure in two places. Sounds like a pain though. What would you do?
@mbbmidwest3556
@mbbmidwest3556 Жыл бұрын
Just mount an indicator on the table and traverse across the column...or put the indicator in the spindle and sweep the back face of the table..similar to tramming the head on a Bridgeport.
@rexhapgood5000
@rexhapgood5000 Жыл бұрын
@@mbbmidwest3556 There is no reference surface you can use to tram the table relative to the head that I can see. Traversing the table with an indicator mounted anywhere will not show any out of square with the head. I'm not a in the trade, therefore, in no way an authority. Also, my imagination isn't up to discovering the solution.
@mbbmidwest3556
@mbbmidwest3556 Жыл бұрын
@@rexhapgood5000 the back face of the table is ground so that can be swept with an indicator in the spindle. The front of the column that makes up the z-axis can be used too..with the indicator mounted to the table and the stylus touching the column face, moving the table would show its not parallel to the the column.
@currentbatches6205
@currentbatches6205 Жыл бұрын
This is in Keith's wheelhouse. 7:33 - No tramming? 15:30 - Off by 2* on both scales? Seems tramming would be a good idea.
@crocketteerden6240
@crocketteerden6240 Жыл бұрын
The tail stock for the model K dividing head is not K-T OEM.
@WhatAboutTheBee
@WhatAboutTheBee Жыл бұрын
Keith mentioned that in the previous video in this series. The tail stock did not come with his new dividing head. Keith said he was interested in acquiring one....
@kindablue1959
@kindablue1959 Жыл бұрын
He questioned about the foot stock in the previous video - it seemed very similar, but not exactly right. He wondered if it was maybe just for another model or another year. He's on the lookout for the proper one, if you know of one.
@crocketteerden6240
@crocketteerden6240 Жыл бұрын
@@kindablue1959 nope. Not a K-T product. I built these units for K-T.
@redmorphius
@redmorphius Жыл бұрын
Couldn’t you just put the cutter on the other side of the arbor support while in normal horizontal mode? Kind of overhang the cutter into free space ?
@wrstew1272
@wrstew1272 Жыл бұрын
Hey Keith- how many ft. lbs. on the torque? One small grunt on the socket head cap screws, one serious grunt on the nuts. Any other silly questions?
@RB-yq7qv
@RB-yq7qv Жыл бұрын
😀
@martinteuber2313
@martinteuber2313 Жыл бұрын
Hi Keith, wouldn't it be possible to turn a longer shaft so that the tailstock would be much further away from the turntable? So the cutter would take a cut earlier and your turntable would be out of danger. Nice work anyway :-)
@martinteuber2313
@martinteuber2313 Жыл бұрын
okay, I also looked further :-( 😏
@markorlando4817
@markorlando4817 Жыл бұрын
What would happen if you turned the table 45 the other way?
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