THANK YOU GREG, FOR BRINGING BROTHER PORTER ON TODAY. WHEN I FIRST STARTED STUDYING THE BOOK OF ABRAHAM, I THOUGHT IT WAS ABSOLUTELY AMAZING, THAT ABRAHAM HAD VISITED EGYPT. WHAT A MARVELOUS CONCEPT. I DIDN’T KNOW EVERYTHING ABOUT THESE LITTLE SCRIPTURES, BUT I THOUGHT THEY WERE SPECIAL, AND I HOPED TO SOMEDAY KNOW MORE ABOUT THEM. WE ARE SO BLESSED!

My favorite videos with Greg Matsen are when he talks to Bruce Porter! I wish I were in a position to go to Egypt this year.

Came back and studied with this video this morning and I have to say, I'll be visiting this video again tonight for study. "TRULY REMARKABLE" and this makes PERFECT SENSE to me... I have pages of notes and questions I have written over time and this cleared up SO MUCH!! Please have Bruce Porter back! ❤🎉 Knowledgeable insights and references like his promote deep study! 😊

Thank you for talking about the Tree of Life as a representation of Jesus Christ.

It’s not that we want to replicate it but it’s just evidence of the ancient roots of temples and the priesthood. The first Pharoah was a good man and he tried to replicate the true gospel. Scriptures say that the Egyptians claimed the priesthood through Ham although that line was cursed. The first pharoah tried to replicate authentic priesthood rites and ordinances in temples. We know this because of pictures on the outside of temples in Egypt that Latter Day Saints recognize as things we do now in our temples including the “ritual embrace” and certain hand gestures, etc. and other things that match what we do. Even though the Egyptians were off and went even further off the path of the true gospel, these depictions that we can still see today, show the ancient origin of our temple worship

I love Bruce! He was my institute director in San Diego years ago and is very involved in me joining the church!

These are some of my favorite episodes. I love hearing the history aspect of the church, gospel, and ancient religions. I love learning how the doctrine has changes throughout time. So fun thank you Greg and Bruce great episode.

OH HOW I WISH I COULD GO ON THIS TOUR. WHEN I STUDIED ART HISTORY, THE STUDY OF EGYPT WAS SO INTRIGUING. .

Probably the most interesting and intellectual stimulating program of yours I have watch..... congratulations

One of my favorite guests. Thankyou! So informative!

Thank you. I learned a lot today. I’ve had a hunger for such things but never imagined they were obtainable. Great discussion.

Love when you have Bruce on talking about the Temple. There's a great podcast that also talks about the Temple from the very beginning. The Ancient Tradition

I went to Egypt with Greg and Bruce and it was amazing! I highly recommend

LOVE Bro Porter!! Wish I could go! Thanks for the post.

If you can't afford the trip... listen to the podcast The Ancient Tradition! So good! It will teach you so much of how much truth there is in the ancient traditions across the world, but she does go a lot into Egypt as well.

I always enjoy listening to Bruce! Thank you for have him on!

I have studied a lot of Native American legends, and several of them connect to the creation of the world and certain spiritual concepts. Like the Navajo flood story and the stone mother and several other legends. It makes me wonder how much of the legend is actually based out of truth instead of fiction that teaches a lesson.

I've always had a fascination for Egypt, and it began with a 50 page report I did in my high school class. In about 6 point font (hand written). I only remember this because I was told I had to rewrite it again for the instructor (Mr. Padgen in West High School, in SLC). I had put a lot of work into it, and then later my brother and I separately were able to record presentations with C Wilfred Griggs when he visited us, as he discussed some of the burial customs in Egypt, and how much they were religious in nature, with the clothing, and the positioning of the body, with the feet to the east, so that when they were resurrected, they would rise facing the east. That presentation mirrors what was written in BYU Studies. I can't find my copy, but I think it was back in 1989 or so.

Exactly! Read Tim Ballard's books on Washington and Lincoln! He will open your eyes on many things relating to this and many things about our country, and the devotion our forefathers and pioneers had! If Abraham learned in Egypt...They believed in exaltation, eternal life, baptism, and had temples, and some believe the temples are of themselves temples...The story of my journey to find my eternal companion is much like Rebecca's. The Lord brought us together and I took a leap of faith. We have been married now for almost 24 years and sealed for almost 23. All because I prayed for "someone worthy". It took me from California, to New Zealand and that was a miracle, as I could not afford even a ticket! So, I have feel a kinship with Rebecca.

I love what you have studied and searched to give us this wonderful knowledge, thankyou but there is something we ALL need reminding about..... we cannot use the Atonement without including our Savior's names after all Jesus was the one who atoned for us. xxxx x

Great show!!!

Amen 🙏 thank you so much for your service and your kind messages of education about temple in Egypt ❤both in Jesus Christ name amen.

Hughe Nibley's book The Egyptian Endowment was a great book.

No doubt Brother Porter is a veil worker, officiator, or washing and annointing worker- you can just tell. Both of you are well read as far as the oath and covenants of both priesthoods. I would say Brother Porter could even be a patriarch. Well done on this, I definitely subscribed. If you have time, please make one on the similarities and differences of Masonary and the endowment, washings, sealings and baptisms for the dead. Appreciate both of you! 👏 👏

I like the Egyptian concept of the 5 part soul.

54:23 Amen. Seek learning by study and also by faith. Great comments on studying and seeking out personal.

I was in Egypt in 2000, and saw a bunch of Temple signs and rituals depicted on the murals in the ancient temples.

I love this. 💛😇

Back in the 1980s then Elder Oaks released a college lecture on cassette about this. It was incredibly fascinating. EVERYTHING from the endowment was in there, and in the lecture you can hear people getting up to leave because they thought he was revealing the endowment. But dozens of non-member scientists had seen it and written papers or presentations about it.

The church has not gotten rid of the line of authority. I was just speaking with a service missionary today that helps people to trace their lines of authority.

Here's something I learned a few years ago. Israel has an Egyptian meaning. Isis (mother ) Ra (son) El (father).

Awesome

The mental gymnastics required for the explanations starting at 46:36 are impressive.

Great episode! Thanks!

Your discussion around the 38th minute is interesting in discussing the nature of God. I have recently come to the conclusion that just as there are 2 Great Commandments to guide us, there are 2 Great Questions to guide us. First is this: "Is there a God" the second is inherently connected to this: "What exactly is the nature of that God and our relationship to Him?" Upon these two questions hang all truths.

The first time I saw the Casa Grande in Arizona, I was shocked by the absolute similarly to the early LDS temples (live endowment presentation and movement between rooms). It's actually a smaller version of the original Salt Lake temple.

Great episode! I’d love to do this tour. Is there a virtual tour available?

Thanks!

I love History! Especially Biblical and seeing how their influences are felt today. There's a reverence about Egyptian history that one needs to pay attention to.

There is a fascinating podcast titled The Ancient Tradition that explains how all ancient texts and religions point to one “ancient” source. It is incredible to see the truths restored through Joseph Smith now being confirmed through these studies, from polytheism, war in heaven, the fall, the garden, the tree of life, to the heroic godlike savior, man becoming kings and inheriting God’s throne. Every episode is jaw dropping.

can you put together a short list of books where I can read more, especially the Egyptian Temple texts :) great video, as always!

Bro. Porter rocks

Reading the Egyptian Book of the Dead was eye opening for me. So much Priesthood and practices resemble what we practice or believe today....only makes sense it is in their temples.

Yeah BRUCE!!!! I like how he teaches with the scriptures!!

Incredible information that is hard to come by thanks for the insight!

Being of that lineage by John Thompson is a very interesting read pertaining to patriarchal vs ecclesiastical authority

With all the negative dug up concerning L.D.S. I cannot waver, as my TESTIMONY of its Truthfulness I know as was revealed to me 30 years ago is real and my spirit cannot denie, even how hard my flesh tries,, in his Holy name even Jesus Christ amen, KIA KAHA saints from Aotearoa ❤❤❤❤❤

I like the focus on christ in the tree of life and the acknowledgement that it also represents the Mother of The Son. I do think the symbols are to be seen interconnected with focus on The Son. Allowing both symbols to work together makes space for us to begin to understand the male and female roles in worship and the mysteries of the Family of God better.

@cwic Have you listened to The Ancient Tradition podcast by Jack Logan? She has so much from around the world and in the Bible that shows that anciently and originally the things of the temple were taught.

Manly p hall had traced back Masonic rituals to Egypt. The Egyptians said that is was one of the very few things that survived the flood. As far as the temple… the temple in the wilderness was the exact measurements as pharaohs court. Moses grew up in the pharaohs house. Where did Moses learn those temple ordinances?

Love this . The best you did . No false doctrine. All questions answered . Great

Question: Since we want to now accept the "catalyst theory" for explanation as to translation meaning revelation when it comes to both the bofm and bofA, why is it necessary that such accounts as the First Vision, Moroni visitation, Kirkland Temple visitations not also be considered "catalyst theories"? Why do these remain literal while these others go from once literal to something other?

The facsimile images did not come about until the 18th Dynasty, but the writing they come from is as Abraham spoke. The New Kingdom inserted additional imagery to push out Hyksos interpretation and reinforce the Southern Egyptian traditions. Taking away the Semitic claim to authority and restoring a different Hamitic claim. Joseph understood what Abraham understood. If we saw Joseph in Egypt at the time of his burial, he to Egyptologist would look like a pagan priest, but Joseph would have a completely different understanding of the gods adorned on his tomb. When Egyptologists criticize biblical narratives in Egypt they only understand what they think some of the Egyptians of that time would think, not the Nubians, not the Semites. Hyksos, the Greeks and Romans saw their gods in the Egyptian gods, did not Joseph and Abraham also? So scholars are blind to what they are unprepared and unwilling to know or understand.

42 minutes in reference point. Consider too that because of God's goodness His work continues among His children in the spirit world. Yes we must become sanctified. Pure. Holy. We need to emulate the true nature and character of God by coming to know Him and His goodness. We cannot come into His presence if we are unclean and unprepared, yet His work to bring to pass our salvation and eternal lives continues beyond this life. There is never a time to give up on God, or for Him to give up on us until that perfect day of the restoration of all things.

Excellent, insightful and informative. Remember also that Alexandria was home to the largest Jewish population, second only to Israel. And there was a second Jewish Temple at Heliopolis (Temple of Onias). The ties between Judaism and Egypt were far stronger than modern people realize.

🤯 Book of Joseph!!!! I'm not implying the Church has a copy but I'm not saying that they does not not have a copy 😁

Hi what's the picture of behind you? Is that a thunder head?

Yaay! Shabaka Stone : 43:20

What are the lost precious things talked about around 12:00

What was the oldest text they mentioned called?

Where can i see pictures of there Egyptian temples?

Brother Porter mentions Esau's marriage to the daughters of Heth. From Genesis 27 comes, "And Rebekah said to Isaac, I am weary of my life because of the daughters of Heth: if Jacob takes a wife of the daughters of Heth, such as these which are of the daughters of the land, what good shall my life do me?" The term 'Heth' in this context carries a significant meaning of terror, as referenced in Strongs 2845. This understanding adds a layer of complexity to the narrative. Yet, later, Esau marries one of Ishmael's daughters. See Genesis 28:9. Ishmael's name can mean: Ishmael means He Will Hear God (Jones' Dictionary of Old Testament Proper Names) or God Hears (NOBSE Study Bible Name List). BDB Theological Dictionary lists a stylish El Heareth. Even Esau may progress in what he is wed to.

Which version of the endowment ceremony?

Approx 40 minutes in I found you giving words to the “Leading Saints” brothers “God don’t have no expectations” argument. I found myself struggling to find the words as you seemed to also during the interview. Father does have expectations He expects all his children to choose the life He lives which is eternal life. Will we all elect to do so? Hence the “ weeping and wailing and gnashing of teeth” I wonder how offended we will be when we chose -of our own free will and choice for His answer to be No because we didn’t meet the expectation of exaltation

Having a line of authority all the way to Christ himself is kind of a foundational claim for the church. I’d say it’s possibly the most important thing a priesthood holder should know

Egypt is always fascinating. When should we place Abraham in Egypt chronologically? Using biblical dates we would place it around 2000 BC with the reign of Senosret I first ruler of the middle kingdom. Thebes was the capital then. Should we place the flood even earlier? We're bound with a roughly 6000 year temporal period of earth's existence.

This was incredible. I never put much thought into the maternal lines or the lower and higher models of the priesthood in Church and the Temples. I've just thought the Arc of the Covenant was a portable temple. By the way are there really members of the Church that associate the tree of life to Mary? It's pretty straight forward that it's Christ.

Look at pictures of Buda statues. Most resemble temple things!!

I thought the Egyptians were idol worshippers so I am trying to understand how this is a good thing. Granted, I am just getting into it.

Cher boy's. Jesus stated something about baptising the dead. So, since Solomon's temple to Jesus, they were practising baptising 'cause they don't need the Melchizedek Priesthood. So, did Lehi have the Priesthood of Melchizedek?

we do do it today in Britain anyway

Is it possible that the function of adoption into the covenant line was used pre-Abraham? For example, today if someone is not genetically the seed of Abraham, they are adopted into Abraham's family when they are baptized into Christ's latter-day church. Before Abraham, we're converts to Christ's church adopted into the covenant (heir, firstborn) line but pointing back to a different patriarch? In the brother of Jared's time were they adopted into Noah's family? In Enoch's time were they adopted into Seth's line? Perhaps it wasn't that Egyptus was a descendant of Cain, but she wasn't baptized and thus not adopted into the covenant line.

At about 48:00 Bruce uses words like IMO "much of that time he didn't look at the plates" and "he wasn't translating word by word. After a long pause he just started with the next word. He didn't ask for a recap of what was previously translated. Nobody ever said that each character represented only 1 word. I don't subscribe to the false notion that the plates were not used or seldom used and usually covered. That is a silly notion promoted by the scholars who also promote the seer stone in a hat which is a Satanic lie in Saints Vol 1. We know during the winter of 1827-1828 after Joseph and Emma had moved from Palmyra to Harmony, PA. Joseph copied some characters from the plates and rendered a translation of these characters. Martin took this document to Charles Anthon and Samuel L. Mitchill. They concluded that the translation was authentic. I believe the translation was done with the breastplate and spectacles. When combined this constituted the Urim and Thummim. This device (2 stones beyond the 16) was given to the brother of Jared about 4,200 years ago when the Jaredites were camped on the east shore of the Atlantic Ocean before their voyage to ancient America. The Jaredites, who were metallurgists, added the silver bow to the 2 stones to create spectacles which were attached to a breastplate. This device was known as the Urim and Thummim or Nephite Interpreters. This was the only device used in the translation. The seer stone in a hat is a Satanic lie. Mosiah 8:19 states, "And now, when Ammon had made an end of speaking these words the king rejoiced exceedingly, and gave thanks to God, saying: Doubtless a great mystery is contained within these plates, and these interpreters were doubtless prepared for the purpose of unfolding all such mysteries to the children of men." Ether 3 states, 23 And behold, these two stones will I give unto thee, and ye shall seal them up also with the things which ye shall write. 24 For behold, the language which ye shall write I have confounded; wherefore I will cause in my own due time that these stones shall magnify to the eyes of men these things which ye shall write. Why would the Lord help the prophets document 2,600 years of history and preserve the plates and Urim and Thummim for about 4,000 years if the plates were not used? Why would Mormon waste over 10 years of his life abridging the 1,000-year Nephite history if the plates were never used? Why put Joseph Smith's life at risk by entrusting him with the plates for almost 3 years if the plates were not needed or used? Sorry this silly thinking doesn't pass the commonsense test.

17:15 the question is why do we not care about the lineage anymore? The answer has to do with the fact that we are not living the patriarchal order anymore. Always quote Malachi about the necessity of Elijah coming to restore the hearts of the children to the fathers and the hearts of the fathers to the children. Why? and that has everything to do with the patriarchal order known today as the new and everlasting covenant of marriage. We are all ordained to become king and queens, and are not yet made king and queens, as we do our genealogy and the work for our ancestors, we reconnect those lines back to the patriarchs of old and therefore we will again reconnect our rights to the inheritance of land and priesthood. Right now there is currently a chasm a disconnect in the lineage between the patriarchs of old and the people of today. The purpose of the millennium will be to get all that work done in the temple to reconnect our modern genealogical lines with our patriarchs of old. “Else the world would be utterly wasted.”

11:32 it was great to hear Greg’s clarification of his feelings on the tree of life and mother in heaven. I believe some scholars have overshot the landing and taken things beyond the truth. We do it all the time today. We take things beyond the intent and truth. I have felt that there were those that worshiped Asherath inappropriately and even blasphemed the temple as described in the Old Testament, maybe not all but I believe the evidence supports a warping of the knowledge of heavenly mother just like it is being done today.

I was surprised you used “at-one-ment.” Kofer, I hear over and over, to cover.

U are correct. The tree of life IS JESUS CHRIST and the fruit is salivation. ...and when They came to the tree they fell down and worshipped at the tree.." did they do that to mary? Did they do that to christ in 3 nephi 11? Or brother of Jared when christ apppeared to him?

The Whole Book of Mormon is a trip to the Temple!

Love this. I would also very much appreciate if you could expound upon the teachings of priesthood lineage and autorithy that are hidden in Hebrews chapters 5-10. It seems to me that there are 2 distinct ways to have priesthood authority (one lesser and one greater) - through lineage by blood (Aaronic) or through an oath (and covenant) from God (Melchizedek) that requires no lineage. I take it most priesthood holders today have it through the oath. So to be focusing on the priesthood lineage in that instance may be a mistake? It has little relevance? 2 To whom also Abraham gave a tenth part of all; first being by interpretation King of righteousness, and after that also King of Salem, which is, King of peace; 3 Without father, without mother, without descent (without lineage), having neither beginning of days, nor end of life; but made like unto the Son of God; abideth a priest continually. 4 Now consider how great this man was, unto whom even the patriarch Abraham gave the tenth of the spoils.5 And verily they that are of the sons of Levi, who receive the office of the priesthood, have a commandment to take tithes of the people according to the law, that is, of their brethren, though they come out of the loins of Abraham: 6 But he whose descent is not counted from them received tithes of Abraham, and blessed him that had the promises. 7 And without all contradiction the less is blessed of the better. 8 And here men that die receive tithes; but there he receiveth them, of whom it is witnessed that he liveth. 9 And as I may so say, Levi also, who receiveth tithes, payed tithes in Abraham. 10 For he was yet in the loins of his father, when Melchisedec met him. 11 If therefore perfection were by the Levitical priesthood, (for under it the people received the law,) what further need was there that another priest should rise after the order of Melchisedec, and not be called after the order of Aaron? 12 For the priesthood being changed, there is made of necessity a change also of the law. 13 For he of whom these things are spoken pertaineth to another tribe, of which no man gave attendance at the altar. 14 For it is evident that our Lord sprang out of Juda; of which tribe Moses spake nothing concerning priesthood. 15 And it is yet far more evident: for that after the similitude of Melchisedec there ariseth another priest, 16 Who is made, not after the law of a carnal commandment, but after the power of an endless life. 17 For he testifieth, Thou art a priest for ever after the order of Melchisedec. 18 For there is verily a disannulling of the commandment going before for the weakness and unprofitableness thereof. 19 For the law made nothing perfect, but the bringing in of a better hope did; by the which we draw nigh unto God. 20 And inasmuch as not without an oath he was made priest: 21 (For those priests were made without an oath; but this with an oath by him that said unto him, The Lord sware and will not repent, Thou art a priest for ever after the order of Melchisedec:) 22 By so much was Jesus made a surety of a better testament. 23 And they truly were many priests, because they were not suffered to continue by reason of death: 24 But this man, because he continueth ever, hath an unchangeable priesthood.

Every circus has clowns and gymnasts jumping through hoops. They're always fun and fascinating to watch.

The church hasn't gotten rid of the line of authority. Any priesthood holder can look his line of authority up on the church's web site. You have to have a church account.

So, Hamlet really had some issues with his mother. I have new perspective on Hamlet. Haha

Was not Joseph Smith made a King in the House of Israel at/near the time he was allowed to take the implements in the box. The primary reason the vestments of coronation were found in the box, namely the Liahona, the Sword of Laban and the plates. The same vestments detailed in Mosiah 1:16 when Mosiah was coronated. This is the same reason we were sealed to Joseph, which we have since abandoned. The sealing being a promise to become a member of the House of Israel, once we have shed the gentile blood that we were plagued with at birth.

Do you think that the Prophet's announcement that the women have the priesthood come's thru what you said about Mary?

Where does it talk about the priesthood in the Book of Mormon or baptisms for the dead and other ordinances? I couldn't find it.

Why does Brother Porter say High Priests don't exist anymore?

Is this why the Egyptian line seems to be patrilineal? Their justification for access to the priesthood couldnt be had through the matrilineal line, so they justified their access for the patrilineal line demonstrating their fall from the authorized annointing by not having an authorized matron to coronate or annoint

I haven't watched but the first sentence or so, but, you said "Egyptian Temple". Egypt is seen as the US comparatively and that both countries/lands/nations have gone off course. So????

Cain and Canaanites are different. Despite them looking similar in English they come from different roots. In fact, the "C" in each word is actually a different letter in Hebrew. Sadly that whole part will mislead people.

Was nephi temple Aaronic?

I want to see an AI image of Moses walking in Memphis with his blue sued shoes in the middle of a pouring rain.

I’m glad the host eventually backed off, because I was beginning to wonder why even have a guest there if you’re going to spend a great amount of time talking.

@CWIC Media, Christ is the Fruit of The Tree. Lehi partakes of the Fruit.

I have seen no indication that the Church has done anything to reduce emphasis on the priesthood line of authority, quite the opposite. Not only does the Church Street that priesthood holders keep their line off authority, but Church records now trace their line of authority.

What do the twelve say about all of this? Seems we are stretching here a bit.

The mother is a judge of who keeps the commandments of god from a parental observation -position-in birth order-was disregarded in the cases of keeping the gospel ordinance & law…

25:54 Egypt as a superpower and cultural center. USA is modern counterpart, as suggested by Avraham Gileadi. Founding fathers did the best they could with the knowledge they had, just as Pharaoh was a righteous man who did the best he could.

What it matches rituals of 12 Tribes Yellow Deli religion. They say pray and ask God if Yellow Deli is not true.

I wonder if the matriarchal order, is the reason why the Muslim countries treat women so badly. Because of what happened with Jacob and Esau

👍Bruce Porter’s scholarship. But is he still alleging that Joseph “hardly looked at the plates while translating”? Witnesses who made that claim were less than credible, according to Jonathan Neville. Further, why all the references to the Lord providing “interpreters” for translating records; and statements by Oliver Cowder that Joseph used the interpreters? Oliver was the only other person who saw that or was permitted to see or use the interpreters. Please bring Jonathan Neville and Bruce Porter on together with evidence of their positions on how the translation took place.