What was the adhesive band you placed around the monitor? Did that come with it?

@@GibStud Think it was probably to reduce the chance you'll knock the monitor on something and rip it out of your arm accidentally!

Only after fasting. But I have 'bonked' after long-cycles. My brother uses this for his Type-1 Diabetes (non-chubby diabetes - as he calls it, he's as skinny as rake).

I've only hit the wall once, when I ran a marathon. I had run a marathon distance before without any issues, and I normally do my weekly long run of 21.1k to 25k or so without any gels or chews, and sometimes completely fasted. I thought that I'd be fine. But I didn't take into account that I'd be running not just longer, but also much faster, and through the edges of a post-tropical storm with battering walls of wind. After having chews at 0, 5, 10, 15, and 20 km in the marathon, I was feeling fine, and my last chews sat in my pocket. I started to feel a bit drained at about 30k, but I decided that with only 12k to go that there wasn't much point, and I was more worried about digestive distress than of the wall. Then at 35k I hit a 26 metre hill, and the wall hit me. In the span of about a minute I went from feeling 80% of the way to OK to "now I know what death feels like" and my capacity for rational thoughts like "maybe use that last chew and see what happens" left me. I'd been averaging around a 4:47 pace, but kilometre 35 was a 5:43, and the fastest I got for the rest of the race was 5:07 in kilometre 38. I finished at a 4:56 average pace, 3:27:56 time. But if I'd fuelled better and smarter, I think that under 3:25 would have been likely, possibly better.

@@patricoda thanks. I get that actually. I am familiar with the appliance as I am in healthcare. I have just never seen a cover like that for the monitor.

ah ok thanks interesting! Thank you for sharing your insight!

Sorry to hear that. Of all the type 2 diabetes I have known I have never came across a regular active person. What is your BMI and exercise regime?

@@Kelberi For some people, it can be genetic shit lottery. I have a friend who was diagnosed with type 2 diabetes around age 18-19, BMI around 22-23, very much an average Jane, but there are lots of people with diabetes in her family.

@@scemat did you mean type 1?

I was diagnosed with Type 2 diabetes also, but I kept on at my Dr as I was sure that was wrong. I’m very active and eat pretty well. Eventually I got an appointment with a specialist and I got diagnosed with Late Onset Type 1 diabetes, not better as it can’t be reversed like type 2 can. But I knew when I crash, sugar makes it worse, I get a high then a massive low. So for me I need, fats & protein to stabilise my blood sugar. I’m using the Zoe App & the Libre and it’s amazing. I get to see what I can and can’t eat, as mentioned it also depends on when you eat it, carbs last after fats & protein and my spike will be minimal. I have London Marathon this year and it’s my first marathon. I’m struggling on fuelling as gels won’t work for me. I have done Ultra’s and eaten solid food which worked, but for a marathon at a faster pace (looking to do 2:40 at 44 years old) wouldn’t work. Any ideas?

Yeah banning it for type 1s is crazy and dangerous IMO. As an Australian it's weird seeing them used his way as until recently they were completely unaffordable for people who were hypo-unaware and might've died without it. We even had charities set up to sponsor their use in children who were at risk of Dead-In-Bed Syndrome. They're much more affordable now thanks to government intervention but I can't understand how they've become so popular for non-diabetes use that they've been banned outright.

Using it to gain an advantage is different to using it to prevent illness/death - safety should be the top priority in any activity

I would hope that T1Ds could get an exception with a Drs note.

Amazing!! And yes we really do need to fuel!

As a type 1 diabetic for over 20 years I have found the thing that makes the biggest difference to my sugars is exercise. Not so much during exercise but afterwards. Rightly or wrongly I’ve (perhaps simplistically) always thought of it as the exercise allowing the body to use insulin more efficiently. Because if I had a meal after exercise and injected the same amount of insulin as I would have done without the exercise invariably I would end up “low”. Yes there are many factors of course (what you eat being the obvious) but, for me, exercise always requires me to adjust my insulin downwards.

@@julianfoster3443 I believe that I have a lot that I can learn from people who have learned how to manage life with type 1 diabetes. Thanks for sharing :)

Not so much that it could prove an advantage between the have and have nots at elite level though. I don't see any reason to ban just yet.

To use regularly and/or for races, I agree this seems like elite level gear. But I think people could use it once to figure out what proper fueling method and timing works best for them. That way they can apply that method to regular training and get most of the benefits even without the real time tracking this does. So I can see the value in it for the non-elite but serious runners as well. For me, a casual, I admit this is much. I'm probably going to have to master fueling at the planned time(which I usually miss), before I could even consider something like this.

I disagree, you'd only really need to use it for a month or 2 to see long term benefits. its probably predictable enough to know about what helps and when to fuel without if you pay attention to diet in conjunction with training.

Yes lots of good information in this video. Thanks running channel.

I don’t know about that regarding other countries but I‘m from Germany and I also have one, I particpated in some races (not elite) and no one told me I couldn‘t wear it. I mean I wouldn‘t be able to participate without it. As far as I know elite athletes are allowed to wear them, I think it would be too dangerous if they didn‘t

Don't forget, in cycling they ban a lot of stuff. Like socks that are too long.

As a Type 1 Diabetic I wish people who really are healthy wouldn’t buy these products just for reasons of interest as there are many type 1 diabetics like me that depend on them

Exactly. I have a son that is a type 1 diabetic. The last few years have been so much easier for him with the sensors. I've seen them pop up all over the place on people using them for flashy diets.

@@Mary-ph3jfexactly, I’m a T1D and I was rather annoyed when I saw something that is a life changer for managing diabetes being used recreationally (I can’t think what else to call it.). I can only hope that this non medical use means that costs fall for the NHS and it can be used more widely in those who *actually need* it. As an aside, I am surprised that there is so much change in glucose levels in a non-diabetic.

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Not a bizarre comment at all. As the original poster stated a type of medication commonly prescribed for type 2 diabetics went into short supply because it started also getting used for a “quick fix” weight loss - in many cases by people who didn’t medically need it at all. Which meant those who really did need it could no longer obtain it. If the same happened for these sensors (for which there is clearly not an infinite supply) that would be even more serious - indeed potentially life threatening for type 1 diabetics.

What abn amazing thing to do! Which marathon are you running?

I agree with you that it helps to understand the importance of fuelling. I’m not super good with that. So I’ll pay more attention to that. Good luck to both of you on your marathon!!! 👍😀

Manchester Marathon in April @@runningchannel

What length do your runs tend to be?

Weekday runs are capped to 1hour, and I aim for a meal 3-4hours before.

Congratulations on the AMAZING pb! 💪🎉

@@runningchannel now to figure out fuelling for my first ever marathon on the 10th of Feb... Please advise of u have any tips and tricks for the marathon based on my previous comment

lol vbest joke of the year

Great to see you keeping your fitness up as high as looking to do 2:40 with the T1D condition. Really glad to learn your case as I have a 16-year-old son who's got T1D. He doesn't exactly exercise much now but later in his life, he will want to(I assume) and need to. It's been just over a year since his diagnosis so I've been thinking how he's going to exercise as much as he wants or needs with the condition. That's been on my mind always. Thanks for sharing. Before I go, do you have thoughts on how that fuel will be absorbed and transferred to cells so that the glucose will actually be used as energy without taking insulin shots as you fuel while racing or working out? Or do you intend to take insulin as you fuel? The point of my question is for T1D, the pancreas does not release any insulin at all unlike T2D, but in order for the calories intaken to be consumed properly by muscles, tissues, and whatnot, you need to have proper amount of insulin in body for that and not only for the purpose of lowering the spiking glucose level. Or am I completely wrong about this mechanism? Any thoughts would be great.

@@jocycles no, you’re correct. It’s a complex situation that I’m still learning. At the moment I’m not on insulin as mine isn’t that bad as yet. They’ve given me metformin which is normally for T2D. So at the moment I’m having normal gels and such and it seems to be ok with me so far. I will be buying the libre blood glucose device to monitor more closely and see what happens when I take gels and the like. You should get the Libre from the Dr’s but as I’m not on insulin yet, they don’t give me one and expect me to give them data on my blood glucose reading by using that horrible hand held device where you have to prick yourself every day. Not handy when the Libre down it all day for you and I understand it’s for T1D only, which I am but trying to stay off insulin until I have to have it, so not giving it to me is then being black and white and not seeing that I am a T1D and will be on it soon so the data from the Libre would benefit them as much as me. I’ll repost when I have more details. But they are plenty of T1D that mange it very well with insulin and their group FB site that’ll help you.

As the parent of a type 1 diabetic I could not agree with you more! Let's keep the tech for those who really need it

I'm also not sure that it's going to give you enough notice to be of much use. My wife's T1 and uses CGM, but I can't see the benefit for me. If I was going low enough to trigger it, even if I stopped immediately and had a gel, by the time I'd absorbed the sugar it would be game over for the event. If I'm bonking that hard, I'd feel it anyway.

It is such an important lesson! 😅

I'm going to try that! I make my own drink with water, maple syrup, lime juice, and salt. Delicious!

It'll only be banned for pros without a medical exemption is my guess.

As a diabetic runner, you only have to go hypo once to realise just how serious not feeding during a long run can be! Most people in my position take glucose tablets or gels etc with them on any long run as you get to know when your levels are getting low and only a complete idiot ignores the signs. These aren't going to make that much difference for the vast, vast majority of runners with normal systems, but I could see them as a safety measure for very long ultra-runners who could mistake tiredness for undiagnosed diabetes.

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@@partyguinnessyou going to name them then…?

​@@Lewis714I just started using Pure gels. I didn't think it was possible but they're even harder to open whilst sweaty. That said the gel is juice based and easy to digest.

Snap - I’m also running Milton Keynes in May for my 3rd attempt at sub 4! Hit 4.06 on my 1st and 32 degree C heat meant my 2nd was more about just finishing. See you there.

If you haven’t already tried Maurten Gels, give them a go, not nearly as sweet as other gels. Also the precision hydration blocks are great to use along side.

Me too. Best thing ever and gentle on the stomach too

Not just gels, I am finding I am taking out a second mortgage fuelling training runs getting into longer distances! Can you start looking at what works and if simper things like jelly babies on runs or sugary cordials work? What’s the science behind gels etc?

It varies from person to person, what do you find works for you?

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neither is a curry I found out... 🤣

are you joking? lol. what you want with that shit?

If that works for you then that's great!

I'd recommend experimenting with the reverse - low carb and relying on burning fat instead, by going at a moderate enough pace to stay within you fat-burning heart rate.

@@aliasgharkhoyee9501 In my case, bad idea ... Let's just say I've got very little fat to burn off 😝

@@fantaflesdopke well, dietary fat to the rescue then, with the side benefit of more delicious food? :)

@@aliasgharkhoyee9501 Don't really see the point here 😕 I get what you're saying. Just nothing to be gained for me personally. No bad habits, healthy (and yes, delicious!) food, and got my nutrition methods down for hard workouts and races 🙂 All others physical activities are indeed at low(er) heart rate, most of those even fasted, and I always fuel and hydrate as soon as I'm back

We can definitely look into it!

very easy to calculate. your kg x the km. that is your calories

Maybe you should watch again and pay attention this time?

I have watched it. People should not endorse Zoe. Misinformation is the weapon of choice. There is some good advice in this video but it's pointless because we all deplete carbs differently. Unless you are diabetic, there is no need for this device

There are a few on the market 😁

Most pharmacies stock them

I couldn't agree with this more (I also have T1DM). Not to mention there is plentiful science out there that now refers to blood glucose "excursions" rather than blood sugar 'spikes', There is a movement away from pathologising (or even "gamifying") these rises and dips in blood gluocose levels for those who are not diabetic - and videos like these grossly oversimplify and misrepresent what the leading research suggests from those who frankly know better. I love The Running Channel but this video misses the mark.

Kinky 😉

Please start separating your view of general phrases from specific historical context. Language isn't meant to be static, so trying to get people to "eliminate" phrases from a vocabulary is just moronic. It's grossly negligent to force industries to adapt to these kinds of changes, as we're seeing all over the world right now. Some how digital communication channels are racist because they use the terminology "Master" and "Slave"? A college football game must change it's name because "The Civil War" must only reference the American Civil War? That's ridiculous, if you don't like certain terminology, don;t use it. But you shouldn't be suggesting that other people shouldn't use it.

we'll protest with you!

how long have you been keto for?

4 years now and the past 4 months on complete carnivore. Just at the end of a month of 10k every day too. If you have time its worth watching Prof Tim Noakes (write Carb loading) and his study on high and low carb diets for athletes. I may try one of these monitors as well to shine a light on glucose levels during training for someone with zero carbs in their diet. @@runningchannel

... because you live on the other side of that wall. The low performing side.

Underrated idea: do what has worked for thousands of years. Nowadays: 'no! I want my gels, my carb-loading, my water bottles, my bands and rings and watches and glucose pads and...'.

In a kind of parallel, I heard the army don't allow such benefits to be used on training exercises. It's necessary to learn how to cope without the 'crutches', as they won't be available when you crave them. It's also crass to talk of carb loading in a society that over-consumes daily. Back in the 1970s it was a thing bc folks ate sensible amounts of (real) food. Now everyone are hogs at the trough, with the tiniest minority in extreme poverty.

For less than 1.5 hours of running, gels are not needed. In fact, I often don't even drink anything for those distances. But for 1.5+ runs (especially races) fueling will make a big difference in performance. For training I've just accepted the weight loss at times, but sometimes we want to have a good training experience as well and meet certain goals. And generally after 2.5 hours of running there's a definite loss of energy.

@@acasualviewer5861 What weight loss? Most people eat 100s of extra calories daily, some of which would be used in the run. The reduction you may be looking at in the weighing scale is most likely a simple loss of water. Rehydration takes care of it. And yes, you will be a little less energetic after having used some calories. But that doesn't mean eating carbs (especially ones from highly processed chemicals in gels) is any good.

Although I agree that there will be some short-term benefits to such carbs, particularly for running faster. Most people don't need them, but at the margins (elite athletes with only seconds between them) it could make a big difference to their earnings.