CZ Bren 2 MS: The Civilian Version of a Modern Combat Rifle

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CZ Bren 2 MS: The Civilian Version of a Modern Combat Rifle

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Forgotten Weapons

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@ForgottenWeapons 2 ай бұрын

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@captainomerikonshorts5143 2 ай бұрын

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@nicksimmons1305 2 ай бұрын

Mine didn't come with iron sights. I had to buy them separately. And buying original CZ sights can be expensive.

@allegedwriter 2 ай бұрын

This is one of the few solid options for a semi-automatic rifle in 5.56 left in Canada after the latest gun ban. It's only like $3000 😅

@moehoward01 2 ай бұрын

Only.

@DarkCatfish 2 ай бұрын

Can't find NR versions anywhere

@somethingsfishy9253 2 ай бұрын

I grabbed one in 7.62x39 with 11" barrel... in Canaduh. Great rifle... but cz is definitely using parts they have in storage because mine came with 14x1 left hand threads on the barrel. Which annoyed the crap out of me.

@somethingsfishy9253 2 ай бұрын

@DarkCatfish guys buy the res version and convert them. Now you have a $4000 after that.

@maxpayne5526 2 ай бұрын

Buy it before you can’t. It’s only a matter of time before it’s banned.

@paleoph6168 2 ай бұрын

Ian speedrunning on the BREN 2 so he can cover the BREN 3.

@jackpenn2956 2 ай бұрын

Saw the unveiling of that at Eurosatory. Looks lovely!

@BunkerFox 24 күн бұрын

Soon enough he can get to the Bren 10

@andrewbear1057 2 ай бұрын

FYI -- the sights do NOT come standard on the carbine version. They were/are shipped without irons of any kind. (pistol versions do have them, though)

@BigLittleKid415 2 ай бұрын

Came to say the same thing. I’ve never seen a Bren 2 with irons from the factory and they may look like Troy (maybe even pronounced by them), but the sights that came with the Bren 805 are not stamped Troy.

@yamatokurusaki5790 Ай бұрын

@@BigLittleKid415perhaps the laws have answers

@Reitermaniafan Ай бұрын

In Europe mine did come with BUIS

@vladimirmarecek3336 2 ай бұрын

Looking forward to video on Bren 3 :)

@ForgottenWeapons 2 ай бұрын

I will be at CZ in a few weeks, and it's definitely in the plans to film. :)

@vladimirmarecek3336 2 ай бұрын

@@ForgottenWeapons awesome!

@soggybiscuits9399 2 ай бұрын

I need a Bren 3….

@ShootAUT 2 ай бұрын

@@ForgottenWeapons Please ask them why 1.) the cheek riser looking part on the stock is still "fake" (i.e. no cheek riser) 2.) there's no bayonet lug on civilian versions (no I won't shut up about it 😁) Edit: 3.) Civilian Bren 2/3 in .308 when?

@vaclavnovacek1035 2 ай бұрын

@@ForgottenWeapons I was wondering when you would be flying over here as soon as the Bren 3 news came out :D

@Woobeone 2 ай бұрын

After release of Bren 3 it's going to be near impossible to get parts for Bren 2. It's not that easy now, but imagine how it's going to be in the future

@ShootAUT 2 ай бұрын

Also one of my concerns. I hope (for CZ, too) that the Bren 3 is "the end of the line" for quite some time as far as constructional differences go. Producing parts for the rifle makes no sense for third parties either, if CZ comes up with a different one every few years.

@EdwardSnortin 2 ай бұрын

And I just bought one too. 🙄

@southerner985 2 ай бұрын

Do parts not interchange??

@wolfnthemist 2 ай бұрын

@@southerner985 only the lower, bolt, and charging handle are cross compatible between the 2 and 3. I just sold my Bren 2 due to the lack of parts that has already been stated. Small parts such as springs and aftermarket items are available, but finding say a bolt or spare barrel is near impossible. People haven't been able to find 7.62 barrels outside of buying a pistol since launch

@southerner985 2 ай бұрын

@@wolfnthemist ah is see, the have the 805 and Bren 2. I’ll be honest…I’m not optimistic that the parts situation will be any better with the Bren 3

@Antigonus. 2 ай бұрын

They imported a very small number of Bren 2s (no M) pistols which are pretty much exact copies of the military Bren 2 but in semi auto. Also, one other difference between the 2Ms and military patterns is the lack of lightening cuts in the 2Ms receiver, but the 2s still had those.

@SharkVsTree 2 ай бұрын

Bought one of these last year. Great rifle. Did not include sights or CZ magazines. Came with D&H aluminum mags.

@CondavourTalksGuns 2 ай бұрын

Couple other differences between the bren 2ms carbine and the pistols: Gas system length is significantly longer on the 16in. Its weirdly short on the 14.5 but about right for the 11in Gas port options are normal/ suppressed/off on the carbine, normal/adverse/off on the pistols.

@BlazemanGuitarX 2 ай бұрын

Small correction (unless they did another run of ms Carbines), the MS Carbines they put out in 2019 included no iron sights and came with a D&H steel magazine!

@SharkVsTree 2 ай бұрын

Confirmed, though my mags are aluminum.

@BlazemanGuitarX 2 ай бұрын

@@SharkVsTree IVE BEEN RIPPED OFF

@flavio_spqr 2 ай бұрын

Shout out to the old school, tacticool Casio. That was the go-to watch for Portuguese Army basic training through the 90's and 00's. It was even recommend by instructors. Very cool to see you wear it.

@pripjatyfighter3786 2 ай бұрын

If James Reeves made this video: "today we pulled out a Bren 2 MS to Czech it out..."

@irafowlerjr.7492 2 ай бұрын

Love that Bren, really enjoyed, thanks

@emersonmsd 2 ай бұрын

Ill be popping in to CZ on Friday but the Bren 2 was a bit expensive for me I went with a VHS-2. Now I just need some silencer height sights for my P07.

@ShootAUT 2 ай бұрын

Funny, how the "carbine" (16.5") has a longer barrel than the "rifles" (11" and 14.5"), just because CZ decided to use the carbine designation as it's meant for AR-15s (because of the "carbine length" barrel and gas system). 😁

@izoiva 2 ай бұрын

CZ still makes some unique designs.

@CondavourTalksGuns 2 ай бұрын

One of my favorites.

@billybob6784 2 ай бұрын

Hey, why no videos lately? I really dig the T91 videos you did.

@CondavourTalksGuns 2 ай бұрын

@@billybob6784 KZfaq has done pretty much everything they can to kill my motivation. I'm still getting random strikes and videos removed for things that follow their rules... But thanks for the feedback. I have a couple projects in the works that people might find interesting that i would like to share.

@Robespierres_Ghost 2 ай бұрын

Bren 2 vs 3 video needed.

@augustus8034 2 ай бұрын

CZECH REPUBLIC MENTIONED!!!!

@augustus8034 2 ай бұрын

so many pbots under me lmao

@HansPottermann 2 ай бұрын

CO JSOU TO KURVA POŘÁDNÝ SILNICE?!?!

@pierluigiadreani2159 2 ай бұрын

I own a CZ. Also you are an adult, it is time for you to know that the name of your country translate in my language as "the blind republic".

@alekos2348 2 ай бұрын

Cechia!

@lordtachanka903 2 ай бұрын

Ahoj!

@ryanlang1548 2 ай бұрын

I love the extra effort to throw in the little extras plus its Czech🤘 I'm sold.

@markshechter8473 Ай бұрын

Love the Czech SCAR! They are among my favorites. I have the 16 inch Carbine and a 9 in pistol in 762x39. I had to special order the CZ Iron Sites for it tho. Didn't come with the carbine but they did on the pistol... Go figure

@leerethamel3204 2 ай бұрын

Love the ruger p series in background with all the high end guns

@ironwolfF1 2 ай бұрын

There's a Spectre on the wall as well.

@leerethamel3204 2 ай бұрын

@@ironwolfF1 and you see hi point when they show sights...

@KarlH-sj8vz 2 ай бұрын

Interesting video. I obtained a Bren 2 when CZ had their law enforcement purchase program right before they got rid of it. The weapon did not come with any type of back up sights. I was disappointed with the accuracy of this rifle compared to the other 556 rifles I own. The side folding stock also was not stable and wobbled a bunch. Found an after market shim kit that helped but was still not happy overall with this weapon at the price point. The brake is effective and the weapon is fun to shoot at CQB drills.

@desperado8605 2 ай бұрын

I've always wanted one of these

@rob21 2 ай бұрын

Given a choice of short-stroke piston options, I'll take the BRN-180 upper. It's sooo good.

@fungusamongus69420 2 ай бұрын

Here in Canada we got the original handguard in both short and long guise. Since the longest 16.5" version still doesn't fit our SBR cutoff (18.5" for NR centerfire), we have various shops converting existing 8", 11", and 16" models to 18.5", which results in funny combinations of a 18.5" barrel and a pistol length gas system.

@aaronfarnsworth7653 2 ай бұрын

The short gas length look progressively stranger the further away you get from the 8-9" minimal barrel length. The jump to 11" and 14" should have gone back to the original length system and handguard.

@user-kr7yh8vw9m 2 ай бұрын

The CZ Bren 2 MS must be a pretty solid semi-automatic firearm, i'm glad you liked it Ian because you're right about the Bren 2 being a very good and cool-looking assault rifle.

@KeanonGilliamSlang369 Ай бұрын

My Bren 2 MS Carbine didn't come with sights. However the sights you mentioned came with my 8 inch pistol version.

@nealgold8442 2 ай бұрын

Great video and very informative.

@JohnCBobcat 2 ай бұрын

Point of order: the Magpul mags with the window also (at least the ones I bought do) have a coil of the spring painted bright orange, and markings along the window with round counts. Also the placement of the BUIS on this rifle is making my eye twitch.

@Falling_Steel 2 ай бұрын

Flash hider: 922R requirements Sights: Not installed on carbine models sold in US Mags: Plastic CZ mags only ship with pistol models, carbines ship with US metal mags (922R again)

@Megadellicantera Ай бұрын

One other small difference between the pistol and carbine is the backstrap size for the grip. The pistols have a small size while the carbine is a medium size.

@meltdownshark8812 2 ай бұрын

Can't wait to see the bren 3.

@survivaloptions4999 2 ай бұрын

I'm just siting here looking at that Ruger P series with the decocker on the back wall.

@capitandelespacio 2 ай бұрын

If the Bren was manufactured by Valve, we would never get the Bren 3...

@Devin7Eleven Ай бұрын

Because the second iteration would’ve already been perfected.

@johndzurenko 2 ай бұрын

Informative as always, thank you

@ExhumedButhcer 2 ай бұрын

It's my favorite modern assault rifle ever!

@martino7263 2 ай бұрын

How much does it usually cost? I am also in Italy and love the BREN2.

@ExhumedButhcer 2 ай бұрын

@@martino7263 nuovo, tra 2900 ed i 3100 dipende dalle armerie

@martino7263 2 ай бұрын

@@ExhumedButhcer caspita, me lo aspettavo sui 2400-2600. È assurdo 3000

@ExhumedButhcer 2 ай бұрын

@@martino7263 ehh già, stessa mia reazione ed è lo stesso motivo per cui non l’ho ancora preso 😓😓

@mihalyrobertsiker7867 Ай бұрын

I, as a hungarian am surprised that the bren raced against the msbs grot

@rbselfdefense3868 2 ай бұрын

The Bren 3 is already out there

@layzorbeeemz7317 18 күн бұрын

I wish we could get the 308 version here in Canada

@Batman7227 2 ай бұрын

I love my sbr-ed Bren 2. Some modifications, but a fun shooting gun

@DerekIcelord 2 ай бұрын

Love my Bren 2. I have 2 of them. Very much looking forward to the Bren 3 being available on the US market, though I imagine it's at least a year out if not 2.

@Darknight0781 Ай бұрын

Never forget that Troy Industries is the company that hired the ATF sniper from Ruby Ridge.

@Scroolewse 2 ай бұрын

I did enjoy the video

@UnluckyGunner 2 ай бұрын

Guy: Wait It's just AR180? Ian: Always has been -_-

@TunnelRodent 2 ай бұрын

Also worth mentioning, tho I think you did in video for the military model, the bolt carrier has no buffer/dead weight system in it

@triviszla1536 17 күн бұрын

very nice

@ericbergfield6451 2 ай бұрын

Interesting, thanks Ian

@chaitanyathaker3954 2 ай бұрын

Hey same watch i also own a Casio f91w my dad gifted me when i was in 7th grade i am a graduate now and still using it to this day.

@timmyv930 2 ай бұрын

I cannot believe we have allowed the market to get to the point where it is acceptable for a gun to be sold without any sights at all, which is only done so the irons can be sold separately at a markup. This is just like how if you buy a new phone it no longer comes with a wall plug only the USB charger, or how so many games get released in unfinished condition and it can take years for them to reach their final form. We as consumers are really not demanding enough for our hard earned money.

@DeliveryMcGee 2 ай бұрын

I look at it from the opposite angle, like how bolt-action hunting rifles have been sold without sights for decades -- 99% of buyers are going to put a scope (or in this case a red dot or whatever) on it, so why bother putting factory iron sights on it when they'll just be an annoyance for the buyer to remove? I guess it makes more sense from a cost standpoint in the former case, saving the expense of cutting dovetails &c., as opposed to just throwing a set of clip-onto-the-rails sights in the box with the modern modular rifle, but ...

@classifiedad1 2 ай бұрын

Many rifles are already sold without sights because there is an expectation that the buyer would put on an optical sight of their own choosing, either one they already have or one purchased for the rifle. It is most comparable to the wall charger for smart phones since many people either have a computer to plug the phone into, or would purchase a wall charger better suited for their needs which would likely exceed the capability of whatever was supplied. It’s a cost saving for the company which doesn’t practically affect enough end users to matter, so it’s an easy saving to make. The unfinished game is a less apt comparison since the end user isn’t adding things to the product through future purchase or prior possession. The equivalent to unfinished games would be doing a SIG Sauer and using their fanboys to beta test their Gen 1 products.

@Bootbandwarlord 2 ай бұрын

It’s not the 1980’s anymore, why would you want irons 😂

@Foxtrott_4 Ай бұрын

On the barrel thing: The best option would be to make barrels in all lengths and profiles but that is not all that ecenomical. The second best thing is to make just a heavy barrel so that people can reprofile it themselves. The worst thing IMO is to only make a pencil barrel because that leaves out any options for reprofiling.

@ThisHandleIsTaken1 2 ай бұрын

I might be the only person not excited about the Bren 3. Bren 2 is my favorite rifle, and I have a LOT of them. One of the things I love about it is how lightweight and maneuverable it is, specifically the pistol versions with their lightweight barrels. Bren 3 with thicker heavier barrel is a no go for me . . .

@simonevans5562 Ай бұрын

It's a go for me lol. When it hits the US market I'm getting it for sure. It won't be a heavy barrel like the 16". It'll be like a medium barrel, for improved accuracy and length of life. CZ may be doing away with the pencil barrels

@gator36 2 ай бұрын

That magazine window on the heel is a neat idea. I imagine it's easier to glance at this mag without rotating the rifle or dropping the mag to see how many rounds you're still rocking. I wonder if it's feasible to make ones that show the entire column and still maintain strength in the mag casing? Even cooler if it had, say, 5 round hash marks up the window. Just spitballing.

@SNOUPS4 Ай бұрын

Maybe the heavier barrel is because they assume recreational shooters in the USA shoot really a lot of ammo very fast in the desert?

@vchalmel 2 ай бұрын

We still can't find the most interesting versions of the Bren 2 on shelves and CZ is already rolling with the Bren 3

@boston.boston 2 ай бұрын

The 805 brake is likely cheaper to manufacture and the curved flash hider is not required for the heavier barrel. The original reason for the curved flash hider was to remove resonance when firing. Heavier and longer barrel probably solved that problem.

@MrBullet888 2 ай бұрын

I have the 8" pistol version and love it. Ballistics aren't great, I get it but it's fun as Hell to shoot. Stock trigger is excellent.

@not.an.operator 2 ай бұрын

I LOVE the heavier barrel

@ShootAUT 2 ай бұрын

Military 14.5" versions of the riflw still have a bayonet lug, while it's not even an option on the civilian market (I know some very early ones still had it). 😭

@aaronfarnsworth7653 2 ай бұрын

It was the underneath side of the gas block wasn't it? They should install them on everything and call them a czechaninny quick attach/detach light/laser mount.

@Jakub1989YTb 2 ай бұрын

Just wait to see the new Bren 3.

@washoecreative595 Ай бұрын

On mine, the iron sights are from LWRC.

@GvF11 2 ай бұрын

And thanks to the release of the Bren 3 it's now on sale everywhere in Czechia lol... so maybe a vid on the 3?

@ShootAUT 2 ай бұрын

Still waiting on (and hoping for) that sale, though. 🙄

@raxit1337 2 ай бұрын

Always had huge respect for czech gunsmithing. They also have made some impressive artillery over the years. It's interesting that despite being a smaller nation often under foreign domination, their weapons industry has always been flourishing.

@matteusvirtanen392 2 ай бұрын

I bought a Bren 2 ms in Europe pretty recently and the handguard is of a totally different design.

@christmastreefire709 Ай бұрын

They do NOT come with Troy sights. Whoever added that foregrip must have also added the sights.

@awol354 2 ай бұрын

Get well soon!

@patcarroll1631 Ай бұрын

If you live in an unfree state that is hell bent on ruining cool guns by pinning the stocks closed etc, take that into consideration on the bren 2. The stock doesnt drop like in a scar and you have to knock the hingepin almost out to take the stock off to clean it. Not ideal for a field strip. Other than ridiculous laws ruining the stock, straight up fantastic rifle.

@GDLean12 2 ай бұрын

Love my Bren 2

@MobiuSphere 2 ай бұрын

The muzzle break might also be to make it Massachusetts compliant. We can have brakes here but not flash hiders

@Mrboombastic266 2 ай бұрын

5:29 they made the barrels heavier on the new Bren M3, so the heavy barrel is now correct I guess?

@simonevans5562 Ай бұрын

It's a medium heavy barrel. Not the pencil barrels from the pistol version, also not as heavy at the 16". Right in the middle

@MatterMadeMoot 2 ай бұрын

Nice Casio Ian

@dualityofmorons 2 ай бұрын

I have one, and it is my favorite rifle!

@lonelylillamb5802 2 ай бұрын

I’d love to see a Daewoo K5 in a video at some point

@cmondevils Ай бұрын

Was my fave gun on ghost recon wildlands

@AlexanderEddy 2 ай бұрын

The receiver is also different - it lacks some of the lightening cuts that the military pattern has.

@zenjon7892 2 ай бұрын

I feel like CZ and Walther are the most underrated European gun brands... Maybe FN as well?

@CaveCricket48 2 ай бұрын

Maryland has a ban on rifles that have two or more of Flash Hider, Folding Stock, and Grenade Launcher, so I assume the brake is just there to make it legal for MD (and maybe some other states)

@danh6720 2 ай бұрын

Maybe it was a change, but the Bren 2 MS carbine I got about a year ago didn't have iron sights and came with a pmag. Pretty sure that's standard on the rifle.

@RewardedRocki 2 ай бұрын

I really like the Bren 2 MS but I never bought one because of that chunky barrel. If they offered a lighter profile barrel I would have picked one up when they were available. Hopefully the Bren 3 addresses that.

@tomaszsiudak2807 2 ай бұрын

There was never any "Grot trials" in Hungary. I'm not sure where did you get this from.

@DaremoKamen 2 ай бұрын

Maybe including the Troy sights is for parts count reasons?

@AmbassadorPineapple 2 ай бұрын

God tier Casio F-91W spotted.

@shawnwillis7561 2 ай бұрын

Cz needs to give us the 2s and the .308. They give us a bastardized Bren and now they come out with a Bren 3 before even giving us the real Bren 2. Cz is doing a SIG.

@charleslowrey9309 2 ай бұрын

I wonder if the 7.62 x 39 BREN 2 is being used in Ukraine as well? Took a minute to get mine running good. CZ finslly came out with a 3 hole gas tube they sent me, then HB came out with their 3 hole gas tube with the chrome piston and gas spring I switched to. Pin & welded a Sure fire warcomp on the 14.5" barrel. Recoil is lighter than some of my 5.56 AR's now. Glad I stuck it out instead of getting rid of it.

@regularperson7793 Ай бұрын

There are were a few photos of short variant of Bren 2 in 7.62x39, but primary GUR (military intelligence), SOF and International Legion use 5.56 variant.

@jerryjohnson4618 2 ай бұрын

Living the CZ life 🤘

@baileywalters6136 2 ай бұрын

Mine also came with 2 steel magazines not a CZ polymer mag

@chickenalleyfarm 2 ай бұрын

Mine did not come with sights

@andrewbear1057 2 ай бұрын

The carbine versions do NOT come with sights.

@tyler111762 2 ай бұрын

its always interesting the weird and wacky guns that end up becoming hilariously popular here in canada given our laws and restrictions

@natew9617 Ай бұрын

I cant wait for the Bren 3

@peterwright217 2 ай бұрын

mmm nice xmas present.👍👍👍👍👍

@lukehorning3404 2 ай бұрын

That hopefully it isn’t forgotten for a little while it looks like it is as good as the Ar15 and depending on price I might buy one if run into one

@ska3041 2 ай бұрын

The earlier Ms carbines came without sights and with 2 aluminum gi mags

@user-xu3jp2kf8q 2 ай бұрын

i rtecommend you to watch Valgear, he is ukrainian soldier that makes videos about different military stuff after he uses it in combat, including Bren 2 (original czech military pattern). His video is very important if you want to know why Bren 2 MS and now Bren 3 are designed this way. It is very sad that CZ made so much changes to this gun over the years and still have not fixed its main design flaw, even on Bren 3

@STRAKAZulu 2 ай бұрын

Kinda want one, despite the oddities.

@JNOSNOW 2 ай бұрын

This is definitely a forgotten weapon cause they came out with the Bren 3 and have completely forgotten about the Bren 2 people lol

@nanosolis96 2 ай бұрын

MTZ-762 Aftermarket Part. The JAK (Whatever the Name gonna be…)😮

@iannordin5250 2 ай бұрын

"We invented a new military assault rifle!" >it's an AR18 on the inside "We invented a new military assault rifle!" >it's an AR18 on the inside "we invented a new military assault rifle-"

@greenyoshi777 2 ай бұрын

Amazing how much it looks like a B&T.

@Locutus494 2 ай бұрын

4:25 You completely missed a big difference of the handguard from the military configuration, or even the civilian pistol configurations; that M-lok handguard is free-floated! Odd, since you said that in the other video.