not just put it together, but take it apart and then put it all back together. ;-)

same here ;-) first buy was the Simlab Tripple screen and then a Simlab P1 CHassis

Glad I could help you guys. This is the reason I go into such depth with my reviews. Trying to give as much information as possible, so someone can make a more informed decision when spending their hard earned money.

Thanks, glad you guys can get something out of my videos.

You have a great setup there. It's all about the immersion for me to. Having so much fun, it's ok if I'm not the fastest driver on the track.

It is. I know it's in the "shiny new toy" stage still, but I am quite taken with it. Makes want to drive more.

any pictures of your setup am considering the 2250i setup is that the one you have?

Rallycross and maybe Dirt Rally would be interesting to see!

@@henriquem3111 kzfaq.info/get/bejne/ndR7jbil3KfeqKc.html

kzfaq.info/get/bejne/ndR7jbil3KfeqKc.html

Any motion system relies on three main components working well and harmoniously together. The Motion Hardware (actuators, encoder, drives), the Controller (correct algorithm, proper pitch, roll, heave and effect setups) and the software logarithm (GIGO - garbage in and garbage out or ensuring that the data coming out of the game is high resolution enough and capable). D-BOX does this quite well and continually updates their codecs to best represent the motion in game. Still the representation is a human based decision still rather than a pure representation. Sometimes this is for obvious reasons, such as surpassing 1G. :-) Here is a video from some time ago, running Dirt Rally on 6" motion system and a very light HR chassis. Whole setup weighs about 55 lbs. kzfaq.info/get/bejne/ndR7jbil3KfeqKc.html

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@@elmalloc hahahah "the poors are about again" 17,000 my assholeeee ..but its badass. id be happy with a traction loss system!

What is the name of this group?

facebook.com/groups/1779234815443524/

Thanks

Thanks!

You have the choice of mounting them front or rear, you can define that in the DBox control panel. I have them on the rear and love them.

For sure you don't even need simvibe once you have Dbox. The D-Box tactile is literally half of the effect. Please turn it on and tune it.

With the 4250i, the cockpit feels like itsfloating in the air, and theres too much going on. Regarding heave, the travel is only 1.5inches, so you cant really distinguish between the heave compared to roll and pitch. With the 2250i, there are only 2 actuators, the cockpit feels much more solid, predictable, and more precise in the movement, you can tell exactly whats going on so it relates much better to the visual. Overall, the amount of motion you get is no less than the 4250i at all, you get plenty of motion and vibration from 2 actuators, just much more precise, which as a result, is more enjoyable and feels more realistic. English is not my first language so hopefully I was able to describe it well enough.

What cockpit are you using with the 2250i?

This I find very interesting. I have a Vesaro for 2250i 1.5 inch set up, but was/am considering a 4250i 3inch system (agree that you don't need 4400i, 250 pounds (113kg per corner is more than enough).

I also spy what looks like an Audi R8 LMS GT3 steering wheel in the background. Is it from Turn Engineering and what do you think of it? I'd love to see it in more detail but there's probably not much to say in depth about a steering wheel that hasn't already been said I suppose.

That's actually a Sim-Lab P1 chassis.. tho..

Good eye. I will have a review on that wheel soon.

Yes, but there still might be a JCL rig in the SRG's future.

Ah my bad. I noticed that the wheel deck had changed but thought it was the same rig. I've been scoping out Sim-labs lately so it should have been obvious! Thanks for clarifying though, and I guess it underlines the strength and power of the actuators.

Even though I am not really missing the Stage 4's TL, I can still catch slides rather easily, TL is on my list. But have to recover from my latest expenditures first. Might be a while. I'm already thinking of how to get the build done.

Just sell the Stage 4 and buy just the TL... We all here envy you!!

LOL! Already sold the Stage 4 to help finance the D-BOX.

Wow I guess you said so in the video I just missed it. I always thought my 3DOF system was the most realistic of them all (frex,simxperience and the kind) But after watching this video I am having second thoughts and I might try it myself. Thanks for all the info because we love serious unbiased reviews

Michael Wren I second this motion!

I give a third vote for this comparison (for those of us with $$$ instead of $$$$$)

I suspect unless they are getting paid to review a product , your expected comparison will not happen.

Well, if Dbox doesn't want to send him one b/c the likely result is that you will be plenty happy with a 2 actuator setup at 1/3 the price, perhaps someone within traveling distance has one they can offer up for him to review. Anyone?? Beuller?

Sound like a project I would be very interested in!

Yes, she is the greatest. Hard to find one like her.

Thanks!

I'm thinking about getting a GS-5 and am curious, where did you mount your buttkicker? And is it just one?

@@wredmatic There was enough space to mount my Buttkicker Concert under the seat between the servos. It's just one and far more powerful than the four 100 Watt shakers I was using before just for the rear. Since the seat gives me the direction of feedback I don't need additional shakers even I own two smaller ones I could mount, but I don't feel them anyway. You can also mount four small Dayton shakers in each of the plates of the GS-5, there are cut outs for those shakers, but I haven't done it as well. This big Buttkicker want some travel to work with (and to dampen the rig against neighbours) and my 80/20 rig has a suspension made with Brooks-springs for bicycle saddles. I use 10 of those springs (50 bucks) and they have a nice stiffness. The effects are more natural from both the Buttkicker and the GS-5. Also I would suggest to reverse the back and and butt plates effects and use a harness. A seat mover usually pushes the body towards the wheel while braking and the GS-5 does the opposite on default. Since I reversed the function it feels a lot better and like nothing is missing. Just the announced belt tensioner from SimXperience seem like a great addition. Than it would make sense to switch to default again and get the best braking effect in Sim Racing: You feel the belt stretching your shoulder while your back loosing contact to the seat like in a real car:)

PS: I upgraded some other stuff in the meanwhile, but nothing with feedback www.dropbox.com/s/6d2jw1ciuili1p5/My-Rig%2BGS-5.jpg?dl=0

They are called "Orb" www.orbaudio.com/ bit pricey but sound quite good. Found a good price on a six speaker set with a subwoofer. They are using a 3" full range aluminum driver, with no crossover circuit, in each Orb. I bought them because they are more compact than most speakers you can find. But still able to handle up to 125 watts. As an added bonus I thought they would simulate mirrors better than any other speaker out there I could find.

Unless the Vive sensors have an issue with tracking at certain velocities of movement, I would think there would not be any problem.

No problem with tracking, my rift sensor is mounted off the rig and tracks perfectly, video of the rig is is in my channel.

I have a different solution in the works.

@@simracinggarage3026 can you please share

Shaddup

@Harrie McBollox Then why aren't you guys marketing your own unit for 1/2 the cost and making money ? Back to your parents basement to think you know what you are taking about.

@Harrie McBollox lol. You're not buying materials. You are buying a product. If you can't afford quality, buy a knock off/cheaper model and pretend it is as good. Some people pretend their honda is just as good as a BMW, no difference just a lot more crying over the price. But uh ya, you go ahead and try to put together a working 4 actuator kit for $2k. Or any proper, motion system for that. lol.

Late Apex it must be hard to make, And you can’t mass produce them to make money because not that many people are buying them. So getting them made without mass producing would be expensive enough to justify $17,000

Newbie Sim Racer how do you like the 3 point set up? Have u used the 4250 to compare any differences? I’ve read positive things about the 3, but very little comparison. Thanks.

Eliminator I love my 3250i alot and mine would be the Y setup, meaning 2 fronts and 1 rear actuator setup. The only difference is the lateral sensation for the rear would be slightly less aggressive. Barry said he felt the traction loss but when I was driving my friend's 4400I I could not feel it, maybe it’s just me. My friend later combined his 4400I setup with SIM Experience traction loss and it was awesome. There is a guy who had that same setup posted on KZfaq, you can check it out. But if you are interested you could get the inverted 3250i setup also(1 front, 2 rears). IMO all setup are equally immersive just pending individual preference and budget. From my video you can see that I am being toss left and right, all details (bumps, Krebs) felt natural. I couldn't be happier. Oh 4400i and 4250i are basically the same, the last 3 digits represents the weight of each actuator could withstand (400i = up to 400lbs per actuator and 250i = 250lbs). I would recommend Dbox as it’s a really good system and the software supports quite abit of titles. If really budget is an issue there is the option to get 2250i, 2 x rear actuators setup which I was using before I upgrade to 3250i.

Go for the PT motion system... it’s great and costs 5000$ .

Gen 2.

I don't remember having that happen. I don't have the Rift any more, so can't test it now.

Really have no idea. I guess it just comes down to what people are willing to pay.

Already had the sequential mounted, just not for the session in this video. The Pro Sim H pattern shifter will require a bit more work to get it mounted properly. Get to it when I can.

Currently on the 1.5 inch set.

Can't say really. I never had my monitors mounted to a moving chassis. What I can say is, I don't notice any negative effects having them mounted statically.

Sorry, never had one in the SRG. So can't comment.

Yes, this cockpit is the Sim Labs P1 in black. Working on a review for that one. Maybe a couple of more weeks before I can publish it.

Yeah, I enjoy the flying sims also. Just not enough time to do videos on both.

I really don't like to give an opinion on something that I have not had time on. But, D-Box is a great system. I may be doing a review on the ProSimu kit in the near future.

also could really use the actuator mounting bolt sizes and their spacing on the actuator as well if you'd be willing... thank you!

The boxes are 245mmx200mmx80mm LxWxH. I believe they are the same as the i4250 boxes. The bolts for mounting the actuators to the brackets are 1/4 x 20 threads. With a ctr to ctr spacing of 45mm for the actuator's threaded holes.