I'm sure she actually does serve Asmodeus et al.

Durids are a pain to deal with... Yes I said DURIDS

As much as I laughed during this, it was a bit of a reality check that I'm the same if not worse.

@@argenthellion Ben players also are a pain to deal in general,so she is the double lol

@@TheMaleRei 100% sure she is too chaotic to asmodeus, she probably whent straigh to abysm

I had someone a BIT worse than Asiago... it got old pretty much immediately.

Exactly.

We had a character who despite being mostly good aligned was basically this. Like....she's a evil gluttonous druid at least so you know what to expect. Ours was a dirty dumbass dwarf druid, he felt like cleaning himself was against his religion(resulting in us having to FORCE him to be clean a couple times to enter cities.) he would just wander off and get into trouble(which would be blamed on me...just like when the evil tiefling would do something and somehow I got blamed for it....or the Lawful slave Aasimar......they aren't even trying to pin it on me whoever they piss off just somehow would redirect all their hate at me for some reason. I think the DM found it funny.) riding on his giant turtle. And his favorite thing to do in combat was to hold his breath and transform into a kraken basically. One day he got his shit royally wrecked and the entire party had to convince themselves it was smart to use the only resurrection item we had on him and went to do so in spite of their best interests. Turns out the guy who got sick of the character first was the guy playing him because he frantically stopped us since during the boss fight he'd died damn near instantly in(getting cuddly with a undead dragon and a lich turned out to be a dumb idea.) he'd made a whole new character and he liked their concept better. Cue him becoming two Oracles who's entire set up was using a mythic spell to for 24 hours(I think.) take half of the damage of the entire party reduced by like....10? Slow drip regen everyone they are linked to by taking the damage onto themselves and then throwing cure spells exclusively on them selves before they fell over dead. So aside from being suicidal it actually worked pretty well, we functionally had 2x hp and the healers only dropped twice during the game. Both times because the lawful gunslinger aasimar got mind controlled for 1-2 turns and then full send crit someone for 2x their max hp dropping both the shot monk to just barely negative hp and the oracle to nearly dead negative hp....and the feat that made every hit of her full attack a crit if one of them crit was utter bullshit that I'm glad got patched later.

Yep, we had a character like that in an Exalted game. The player did what he wanted to, and the rest of us fought the fires he left behind. The GM was having to improvise everything, because if that player thought something looked like the GM had put work into it, he deliberately caused trouble and ran away from it. If he caused trouble unintentionally, he brought it to us, and then ran away again. It really put me off the idea of the "player agency is sacrosanct" model, because I found it generally meant that only the loudest player (often the contrarian of the group) gets to decide what happens, every time, and everyone else is frustrated and unhappy. Only by kicking him and rebooting the game from scratch did we all finally have a fun gaming experience. We still didn't always do what the GM expected, but at least we did it as a group, rather than one person deciding everything and the rest of us relegated to damage control ;)

We had a character a little like this in a game I [played, BUT he was a good enough roleplayer that he'd totally commit to the bit and do things that totally did not benefit him/could end the character if his luck went wrong, so at least he was willing to live with the consequences. Went out in a blaze of glory...that baffled the rest of the party in character, since in character they didn't know he was bucking a deal he'd made with a god.

At least when Asiago does it they're already dead and get digested, Kirby just sends them to Brazil.

Why thank you! ... Wait a minute!!!

Yeah. Since Kirby doesn't kill them, just knocks em out and spits em out after the fight.

@@kismethappel7811 and then they disintegrate, and that's assuming when he uses their ability that they ever come back out.

@@generalgarchomp333 It's canonically stated they're knocked out and shunted into something like a pocket dimension, and Kirby _can_ just never let them out, but he _does_ since he's a sweetheart who's not a monster.

If that was supposed to be heaven, then how come the delicious flavor balls were off limits?

@@DippKlippGuy the forbidden food

Tbf She went to fire heaven.

The cultured lord himself watches the best DND KZfaqr in the world as well... interesting

IKR? Hadn’t seen anything new in a long time.

The Great Cougar is here!!! And I didn't know you were a fan of Puffin Forest as well! Nice!👍

I'm glad I'm not the only one who thought he might legit be dead.

Return of the king

I could not click on this video fast enough

Yeah!!!😊

ALL HAIL THE PUFFIN!

Indeed

I saw the notification and thought "The King Returns" and then this is the top comment

How exactly did he have a dragon from a Boulder?

​@@thecreatorofthedark True Polymorph

I was *terrified* that this story was going to be about the druid murdering and eating the dragon son 😫

​@@vanyadolly I'd imagine they wouldn't taste to good considering they're made of boulder

I was thinking more along the lines of cutting the tip of the tail off and cooking it. She doesn't need the WHOLE creature.

@@Sarah12471 i think it could make for a good meal. I guess you could say it would be - rock solid .

@@dominikczinczoll1268 i see what you did there

as a forever dm I have the authority to tell you that it is true

I have a bad habit of getting involved in the player shenanigans and then things get really wild. Then it's a whole nursery of babies designed by babies.

considering some of the stuff my players did / that happened to them... the baby analogy might be a bit awkward... i tend to see them more as angsty/moody/horny teenagers. With no self controll. Or impulse controll. Or memory. though granted part of that WAS down to the fact that they ended up working for the settings equivalent of a succubus... sooo... yeah that was never going to end PG ^^'

Porbably the most accurate analogy you can give a new DM. That, or herding cats.

I think this is more of a modern player thing. Also there are some people that just shouldn't be welcome into these games.

Don't need to tell them 'no'. Just have the world dynamically react to them. Most DMs for whatever reason don't seem to do this, and then they wonder why players are acting like children.

Or at least don’t give them a deck of chaos.

The names are all cheese Asiago, Gouda, etc

@@harrishoin7950 oh ffs literally cheese characters

@@harrishoin7950 I can't believe I didn't see it until now...

​@@harrishoin7950 wait. Are crazy characters usually named after dairy products?

I assumed as much,since she has the same voice as Gouda Thyme, too.

Children aren't innocent. Children being innocent is a lie spread by companies that sell baby clothes.

"aww, she's so cute. I trust her implicitly. Heck, she doesn't even have to roll for persuasion. That's how much I trust her" -(fast forward)-> "Whatever you do, do not trust her with anything. She will either try to eat it or find some way to make it chaotic"

she was not just AN agent of chaos, she was the full-on AVATAR OF CHAOS

ALL children are psychopathic agents of chaos, there's no such thing as an 'innocent' child.

Biggest example of being a Horrible Judge of Character! Ever.

Sounds like how I ended up with my first cats. They tricked us at the adoption center. Cuddly, purring, wanting to be held. Got home and they didn’t allow anyone to hold them again for 5 years. At least Asiago is toilet trained.

@@DarkQueenHelba cats did ok. got a couple of servants,

This is why Silver Dragons are the best

It's a reference to gouda

Definitely more trouble than she’s worth. Then again, this was the group with the samurai that shot up a school.

I would say it more depends of the group, she would fit nicely in the group I'm running right now.

yeah, that sounds like a pretty bad time

@@isenokami7810 And The Turtle Fu-FRIENDS.

I couldnt handle it personally. Would make me not wanna play D&D

"Death is a part of nature, you remember she said that, right? No resurrection, it's unnatural." - the rational party member that probably doesn't exist in this game.

Yeah, why would you every bring Asiago _back?_ that's a corpse you burn and salt.

“You can't give her that!' she screamed. 'It's not safe!' IT'S A SWORD, said the Hogfather. THEY'RE NOT MEANT TO BE SAFE. 'She's a child!' shouted Crumley. IT'S EDUCATIONAL. 'What if she cuts herself?' THAT WILL BE AN IMPORTANT LESSON.” - Terry Pratchett, Hogfather

As a player, I’ve noticed that myself, and it ticks me off, because I actually have object permanence and I frequently make notes as well. (I try to be a good player.)

I'd have it after the first. I hate playing with people who play like that 🙄

Fascists!

And yet she stayed for the whole campaign.

This sort of thing depends on the group. In some of the ones I've played in, those sorts of shenanigans would be totally fine.

I mean, the logic is sound.

Thats when i would run to a near by fruit stand, find all the rotten fruit i can find, and dose the family in the juices... maybe it wouldn't work, but i just want to throw fruit at people for some reason.

These are the sorts characters that definitely work better as *NPCs* because there's no way the part will travel with them for a month without killing that person in their sleep or in their awake failing that

@@InfernosReaper Its certainly a challenge... and does make that I had to promise to keep my Evil characters acting a certain way feel a little one-sided

Did you try salt 'n peppering(also lemoning) the Necromancer the second those words came out of his mouth? Worked for me. To be fair my barbarian had cannibalism in his public backstory(or more specifically the place he came from had both ritual cannibalism(which he had participated in) and no taboo whatsoever about it in times of famine(hadn't happened while he was alive, but that wasn't in the public bit)), so...that might have sent the wrong message.

I second that

You have my axe.

@@NeoPortaPotty And you have my sword

He has a MTG channel that he has been more focused on recently.

@@Jesterofyugi an MTG channel???

Considering that Puffin posts mostly the videos that went well, I guess the group takes it in good humour. I mean, he himself admitted to play trollcharacters (looking at you Savage Rage), so this is either karma or everybody else just has fun and rolls with it.

I enjoy playing the "mad gamer" role sometimes. But I do have to read the room; not all groups want a comic relief troublemaker.

... is Eddy a water elemental

"I kind of expected this to end with Fuji being served to the party. Glad I was wrong." ...So far.

@@StarshadowMelody Salamander with draconic features.

@@TheRealAlpha2 True… that had crossed my mind.

Wow that sounded... rough.

Thats what I call stupid evil or stupid bad guy syndrome. Doing bad or evil things as often as possible with out thought of the future or circumstances. True evil or bad tends to look good most of the time with people actually believe they are good. Think Palpatine before he went the path of stupid evil. Darth Bane and Darth plageous are examples of evil done right.

This sounds first dnd campaign it didn’t leave a good first impression

@@hungryowl1559 the most dangerous type of player is the stupid player. No matter the alignment or class or race, stupidity and foolishness is more dangerous than anything else. Not only to their friends/companions etc, but to themselves as well. However, it can be amusing to watch... from a good safe distance. 🔭

I occasionally enjoy playing characters like Asiago, but only if I follow 3 rules first: 1) My character has to actually help the group with their goals and be too useful to get rid of. 2) My character respects/is afraid of at least one party member and will listen to them. 3) It's much more fun to play out shenanigans when you involve the other player's and plan them out. (Don't just spring things up by surprise on the rest of the group, play *with* them. Eg: Tell the player before the session that your character wants to steal something they have, and talk about how the two of you might play out that struggle/conflict). Obviously the biggest thing is that when making a character like this you need to respect the other players and the DM, but a chaotic trickster can be fun if you're not an asshole about it. Hard to say if Asiago is this way or not for sure as we're getting a very limited perspective/and only being told bad things about the character and not anything good (for the sake of entertainment/amusing storytelling).

Asiago is that guy. How has this campaign run for so long ? The DM isn't really babysitting the party as much as everyone is babysitting Asiago

I would literally allow this type of player to get their character into trouble and then fake a pikachu face when their character ended up dead. Then I would ban them. Last time, I let them make another character and hoped they would change. They didn't, they blew up a mountain somehow.

@@Seth9809 That never works. Players like that rarely care about "in character" consequences. The game doesn't matter, after all, it's just a way to get other people pissed and escape the consequences of their real-world actions.

@@watchm4ker Yeah, it's basically, a "I can do whatever I want and no one will stop me" power fantasy instead of "I'm playing a crazy, but lovable character"

Honestly, it's all about player's perspective. Is Asiago doing it because he think that he is the funniest troll ever, or is he doing it because he think it give a good contrats with the rest of the group ? How are the players reacting to this, are they annoyed by this behavior, or do they think it gives an interesting dynamic to the party (while roleplaying their characters as being annoyed) ? A problematic character does not automaticaly translate to a problematic player. The player mindset is important to considere, especialy in regard to how he is willing to adapt his character based on the other players reaction to what he is doing.

"How did you set Hell on FIRE!?"

@@Janoha17 Feel my heat / Takin' you lower / Burn with me / Hell's got a flamethrower

@@Janoha17 Her answer: "How did you NOT?"

@Rin Kuraku So that's how the Blood War turned from Hot to Cold. They're still extinguishing the fires, she set. Damn, girl gets stuff done.

Maybe she wasn't disruptive to this group

@@thomastakesatollforthedark2231 Puffin mentioned how all the other players groaned at Asiago’s shenanigans, so that is not the case.

@@weepingwalnut there's a difference between "Oh god..." and "we don't like playing with you"

Pretty sure most of them are more like "An Aesir was bored, Loki must now clean it up."

Idk. A major one is Odin goes to Hel to bully a dead witch, there's a couple where Odin travels, a couple where Thor travels, there's the one where Freyr gets a giant wife. There are a bit of them where Loki starts shenanigans though. I would say there's a couple that aren't even his fault. While underhanded, the wall wasn't a bad idea. Then another has him get attacked and threatened into submission to hand over the apples right?

Well at least it was "bored" and not "horny" as with Zeus and the greeks

@@7deEspadas Oh, Odin was guilty of that, too.

"One day Zeus was kinda horny" should cover the Greek ones.

How?

@@Seth9809 My first guess that I can already kinda see here is it exempts them of taking responsibility for their own choices. The DM should not be the only adult at the table. Everyone else should also realize they have a stake in creating a fun atmosphere and working together with the others in the game to make sure everyone has fun and it's not just one person destroying the story while everyone else cleans up.

@@ddisaster626 I agree. I do not play d&d 5 anymore because it encourage this kind of thinking. I embraced OSR, we are playing basic and after first seven sessions and three tpks ( oh look, you started a fight with a gang...on their turf... level 2... I wonder what will happen) and suddenly my players are actually listenning to what I am saying, making notes and started to carefully think about where to go ( oh sure you can go there... it will take you 3 days.... oh btw... during those 3 days a keep that you were meant to help was overrun by orcs, yeah.... this traitor that you were meant to find opened a main door and disabled magical barriers) there story (which was not planned ahead. I had factions with leaders and seeds of the stories but their decisions basically shaped future events) was a brutal tale of war, filled with losess, retreats and last stands. After they managed to stop the changling uprising they literally cheered and we went to a bar together. They have much more fun now. Because I treat them as adults and they know that failure is not simply an option... it is an ever looming threat and every success has been achieved thanks to thinking and good tactics.

@@JM-mh1pp I will say I currently run 5e and still get the same results just by setting proper expectations and making the world dynamic with realistic consequences. Though I suppose you could say some effects are simulated similar to OGL in that I also don't always create balanced encounters. I'm currently running a game where I made it extremely clear the party would be facing people and organizations high above their starting weight class, so they've had to be resourceful, make allies, plan, etc. I don't run a lot of combat. We're a very heavy rp group. But when I do there's usually story relevant stakes involved so they don't just treat it like xp farming. Also, non combat stakes. Our Paladin, for very good and understandable reasons mind you, made a very ballsy decision that involving outing a major criminal organizations Invasion of the Body Snatchers plot they're currently using to infiltrate the city and government....while blackmailing said government whose inaction he blames for these events. We ended the last session as said organization's plans hyper accelerated to take advantage of their plants before they're weeded out, and we ended at the Hall of Justice being attacked, a massive prison break, and also the death of a friendly npc with more trauma to a party favorite directly as a result. With more events about to also come to a blow. I think my main strategy is to make sure I get a group that actually cares about the story, world, characters, and events. To do that is a lot of work, but I'd say it pays off when the last words of the night are three players simultaneously asking "DM, what the fuck?" and the rest sitting in silence for a solid five seconds. People become a lot more considerate of their actions when they know you'll follow through on making it matter...and potentially really hurt. They learn to take control of their own actions and I don't have to rein them in. Also. Just. You know. Talking to people about boundaries and lines and behavior. Like reasonable adults. That does fucking wonders.

@@JM-mh1pp You can do that in 5e too. It's about getting players to act in character like someone in a real world and that comes down to maturity of players and them being held accountable for character actions in said world, not what rules dictate how actions play out. That said glad your group has found a groove that everyone seems to enjoy.

I think it's VERY much down to different types of groups like you said; the group I play in would tolerate some chaos but not all of it, because we're playing with very realistic social dynamics and a "you're trying to stop a nationwide human trafficking ring that serves nobility" plot in a very grounded world. The group I DM for however, would love her because all the players are little chaos goblins and I like to DM more lax worlds. So I think this is definitely a case of having a session zero to set up what vibe you're going for and/or everyone already being good friends and knowing each other's play styles.

I think it is the player is very different out of game. You see I sometimes like to play serious characters, but other times, I enjoy having a character that is there to be chaotic.

@@emberfist8347 Oh for sure, who even knows how the player acts as a person, we've only ever seen the character and I think that's an important distinction to keep in mind.

@Ember Fist I've definitely played characters like that. I actively fight against my own character and try to put certain things aside like "we don't need to focus on it but this is what they're doing." I will say as a DM, it can be beneficial to have a character that is in an active role, even chaotic. It keeps things moving and (as long as everyone can laugh about it) it makes good character dynamics

I occasionally enjoy playing characters like Asiago, but only if I follow 3 rules first: 1) My character has to actually help the group with their goals and be too useful to get rid of. 2) My character respects/is afraid of at least one party member and will listen to them. 3) It's much more fun to play out shenanigans when you involve the other player's and plan them out. (Don't just spring things up by surprise on the rest of the group, play *with* them. Eg: Tell the player before the session that your character wants to steal something they have, and talk about how the two of you might play out that struggle/conflict).

Oh yeah I agree Asiago 100% is chaotic evil and went to the Abyss

Pretty sure they’re the same

Lol gave me PTSD thinking it was my machine

There's a big difference in eating sentient races, if you were eating monkey you would have a point.

@@bdp4 I mean, it sounds like their character was eating stuff off of people that were already dead rather than killing them to eat them. It actually seems far more reasonable.

Asiago is what a lot of people in this community would call a “that guy” character basically the player just wants to cause problems and annoy people they usually get booted pretty quickly by experienced groups but that’s why they join ones where everyone is new

It might make the game more entertaining for people watching a storytime animation, but in the game it's just frustrating for everyone else.

Imagine working on building your reputation up for months, building up a town with it with your party, and sending most of your coin towards it for role play reasons. Then have the wangrod come and blow it up in a day cause "lol chaotic funny!"

yeah if you spend more than one session trying to fix problems caused by one charachter the campaign hook goes from high adventure "rally the kingdoms of arduul to fight the snake-people invasion" to a sitcom "ho ho what is asiago gonna get up to this week, will she ever learn? if you're happy to playout a wacky sitcom then theres nothing wrong with that... but its never been a campaign hook offered to me and in high adventure games we didnt bother to revive annoying charachters who randomly murdered the king, "haggled" the store owner to death or otherwise turned the session into bum wiping and placating a narrative terrorist. these day I'd just shut it down out of charachter. look i dont want to play in a campaign where we pick a fight with the king when the premise was were taking a job from him, that's not something my charachter would be on board with because that wasnt the brief i was given when writing my charachter. The only reason my guy wouldnt try to kill your charachter or throw them under the wheels is the fact that its going to suck for you being sat at a table as we get on with the game we signed up for.... but at the same time ive no interest in spending our once a fortnight session trying to survive a fight with the kings men and im sure the DM would appreciate not having to write a lot of additional content as we become outlaws in a headless state.

for that reason this video might've been a bad idea, or at least the presentation, because it's kind of encouraging that sort of behavior on the basis of it looking funny on youtube

I would happily send her back