That sounds so fun!!!! I wanna hear more

Lol

@@spritemon98 Yes! Me too xD!

Please, I need to hear more xD!

Please tell us the story!!

Yeah, being monumentally stupid has nothing to do with alignment.

I thought he was gonna say 'Chaotic Stupid'

Memes and Hearthstone Same.

Kalash Strelok Chaotic Stupid should be an alignment.

Memes and Hearthstone i was waiting for pure idiot

Evangelica De Alfaro But they match my magic cape!

"You don't mean you believe the Allies propaganda!" "But they didn't get to design our uniforms"

yoko taro approved

Abdega, oh, like the Nazi's?

I wouldn't really call them "bad guys" if they're well-intentioned. More like "Chaotic Stupid" and fit more to be antagonists than protagonists.

theblasblas antangonizing protagonists can be hilarious though!

Teyren Loghain anyone?

He made them when it wasnt his turm

Geoffrey Peterson

Do not speak ill of the DM GOD. Giant rocks will fall from the sky and crush you if you do.

Geoffrey Peterson Especially since that’s literally how they got here in the first place. They made evil choices so they are evil. But now he’s saying that if they make good choices they won’t be good? What kind of shit is that?

only bad GM's resort to rock falling. don't play with people like that.

I always thought alignment was more of an internal thing; more so your actions would be based on your alignment; not your alignment based on your actions. I mean, you do choose your starting alignment, correct? And if you do evil deeds while thinking they are good deeds, how does your allignment change when your motivation was to be "good" all along? Unless allignment is external... In which case, yes good actions would in fact make you more alligned with good. Either way, the GM is stuck.

Old thread but I believe the gm's that's not how alignment works was in reference to not attempting to shift it artificially you're supposed to allow the character your playing develop naturally even if it ends with you being evil that's the choices you made using the meta knowledge of oh no my alignment shifted I must shift it back artificially changes your character

@@alexdraco9926 Yeah it might be. I just sense that puffin's character didn't want to be evil. I was saying that a character's intentions are what control alignment. His character wasn't evil because his evil actions were unintentional. I, as a DM would allow someone to switch alignment if they wanted to and after they show that their character has changed they could count themselves that alignment mechanically.

@@agustdgames3120 I mean...look at the GMs face there. Pretty sure the gag is that neither one really knows how alignments "work" Which to be fair, given the largely subjective and debatable nature of alignments, and the vague system for alignments in D&D ~ Pretty much every table will have a different answer for how they are supposed to work

Devilbreaker you mean doing the right thing is boring

Devilbreaker wile being evil makes you look cool and you get to controll the world with an iorn fist

In addition, you get to have complete ownership of the cat since nobody could claim it now that they're dead.

Doing evil is even harder. Complete apathy is the way to go, my dude.

what nega said, take the cat for yourself.

Greatest hero ever, Dr. Doom arousinggrammar.com/2013/09/24/the-motivations-of-doctor-doom/

So, the Addams Family? They're not evil though.

Goblins can be good and gelatinous cubes are great cleaners, I'm not the one that kills baby orcs and when I have a half orc on my team.

The base of the game is always set around a great menace. No one ever said it had to be evil in nature!

@Bjorn Arnesen *cheeks melting off the bones* you mean you _don't_ eat them?

Sum Arber what they become murder hobos.

I usually gm, but I can think of 2 games where something like that happened without it being an evil campaign from the start. In one the party sided with a lich to conquer the local kingdoms. The other was a Call of Cthulhu campaign where the players summoned a great old one to deal with a way less dangerous villain.

well you know what they say you eather die a hero or you live long enough to become the villain

The Whisperer In Darkness let me guess. You summoned Nyarlathotep?

I was the Keeper (GM) and the players summoned Azathoth. They managed to unsummon him before he destroyed the planet or anything but he killed about half the party, the villain, and loads of civilians.

You need to succeed an INT check of 9001 to uncover the truth of alignment.

I had a Neutral Good Paladin. I solved every problem with Javelins... And the one time i didn't throw a javelin at something, we later found it the figure was the person we then had to track down and kill.

Kharn The Betrayer *Irony*

I'm always in campaigns with a lot of moral ambiguity. In one of my current campaigns I'm a pacifist monk that I've built so that they literally can't initiate attacks and only does damage by counter-attacking in self-defense. He solves his problems with negotiation instead. In that same campaign one of our party members is a soul-draining vampire called a youma that is a chaotic evil sociopath pretending to be a god. In a Star Wars campaign I'm playing our crew was Imperial special forces but amoung our party members we have: 'A developing droid hive-mind trying to take over the galaxy', 'A sith Inquisitor that trained under, married, and had children with an ancient sith lord by her late teens', 'a genocidal maniac that burned Endor to the ground, gets turned on by graphic violence, and lobs grenades as a greeting', and my character is just a stoic Mandalorian Sharpshooter watching this all happen. *I swear our groups should have a rating system like the movies. We'd be rated R for sure.*

Kyle Pessell Nah, you'd break the system. That stuff is just crazy

Be me dming. My friend from 4chan rolls up a chaotic neutral dwarf cleric. Guy is constantly drunk on his holy water. In his drunken rage he would attack people and steal their clothes. If this isn't chaotic stupid, I dunno what is.

😂

Honestly? There are worse fates for Vallaki. Seriously, read a few of the outcomes in the module. Shit's fucked.

Was their alignment: Compulsive hoarder?

Alignment works through Philosophy, which is a school of magic available to non-adventurer professions.

Uhhh *Frantically flipping through the books* UHHH *Watches KZfaq videos on the subject* UHHHH?!? *Mass Hysteria ensues*

I've always liked the stance that alignments are in response to what a character does more then anything else. Like oh you burned a child alive for the info on how to get into the castle? ok, well you're neutral evil now. It's what you are.

@@scotthuizinga Remember way back in the old days when, if you broke your alignment, a magical wolf (or something) would come along and pretty much kill you? It was a way of forcing players to stick to their alignment.

@@LibraGamesUnlimited thats a very shitty way to do it

@@wayway7017 That was part of the game, way back in the 80s. I can't recall what they were called but if you broke alignment they showed up to punish you n the game.

Why skulls though?

Maybe they're the skulls of our enemies

We need badges that say "yeah these are skulls but he was a huge dick."

Definitely a missed opportunity

it's still better than a rat's anus

It's like Skyrim! "Oh, so you killed the dragon atacking the city? Well bully for you." "Did... DID YOU JUST KILL A CHICKEN? *GUARDS! KILL THIS MONSTER!* "

@@dydlus *Nicks guard while fending off vampires.* *You have committed crimes against Skyrim and her people. What say you?" *Nicks follower in any combat.* "Careful!"

Change your name to Salamanders then

Did you catch his call of cthulu video with the light everything on fire guy? kzfaq.info/get/bejne/rs2om7GotauuhXU.html

They tried that. turns out everything was already on fire.

Ignus BUUUUURNSSSSSSSS.... people...

And what about when a fire elemental is sent to kill you?

Revan much?

If you are interested in split personalitie disorder, here is a very interesting interview. I learned so much about it there kzfaq.info/get/bejne/d5abf82kvpqunIk.html

Oh wow that's not how DID works at all and is actually a rather dangerous stereotype

Matheus Tran by accident

It's more like _"You either die a hero, or live long enough to see yourself roll enough nat 1s to become more harmful than helpful."_

how you buried an entire continent? i need to know!

well there was this self-replicating magic item...

Android 19 Go on . . .

Android 19 you buried a continent in clones of yourself?

Tuan Le My guess is he used the magic item so many times that the continent was buried in replicas of the item. Still, I would like to know what happened.

Well, that wouldn't work if I was the DM. My story is very railroaded

.......That sounds like a great plan. I endorse this plan. I am excited about this plan. You go first.

Now now, I have an intelligence of six, I think I know what I'm doing.

My party did the same, only with bears... :D

I once successfully tamed a magical Agathion Tiger over four times my character's size by feeding it giant lizards. Then I realized I'd have to keep feeding it. Predatorial pets aren't as cool when you realize you've gotta roll a 90 or higher on random encounters just to find something big enough to satisfy it.

In my current campaign, two of my teammates (former city guard, and a multi-classed nightmare) killed a pregnant ettin, crit rolled on a cesarean, and raised an ettin daughter. Now, the new guy (half-orc half-dwarf barbarian) and the other two have managed to capture a fully grown hydra (with help from the party obvy), raise it's intelligence to 19 and convince it to stay in a giant fishbowl. Concurrently, my character (pyromaniac sorcerer) has made a deal with a grey slaad to kill a death slaad in order to be given a subservient green slaad.

"The skeletons are fake, I think"

PARTY MEMBER: ........you know what........................................................[sigh] that's fair. Plus [*shrugging and leaning to one side*] retirement from adventuring doesn't usually leave with many open doors and I really, kinda wanna start family sooooooo a pension scheme would really be appreciated.

Maybe you have the wrong perspective

Hastur King you mean every PC I have inevitably played?

TAR HOGAr?! GERATHOR?!?!?

That is one of the oldest campaign plots in the book.

Royal 97 Tropes are still fun. If they weren't, people would have stopped using dragons years ago.

the DM Lair I know. But he made it out like he invented the wheel.

JosephTaylorBass Actually, often times, the villains seem to do what they do for purely selfish reasons - stuff like immortality or power or just because they think it's fun to cause as much death and suffering as possible.

Griffith did nothing wrong ;)

Max Dunham That’s a fair point. Though I’d like to think it’d be more fun to fight a baddie who thinks he’s the good guy and you’re just trying to get in his way

unless your Acererak, he knows he is bad

Man, You guys must have all really loved infinity war.

One of my characters is Julia Blood, rightful heir to the throne of Thule, which is pretty much Medieval France if everyone was an elf. Her mother having been forced into flee due to siding with the previous royal family during the revolt that turned the Elven kingdom into a Republic, her uncle and grandfather having died in battle, and her father being executed. They lived in the home of a human merchant named Cicero who got rich selling weapons to the loyalists until he and her mother died when she was sixteen, the servants selling her into slavery. After leading a successful revolt among the slaves, she sailed for the Rajput Empire, my fantasy world's equivalent of India, and offered to make Thule a vassal state if the Silver Emperor gave her the army needed to reclaim the throne. However, on the way to Thule, she received news that the Rajput Empire had been conquered by the Barca Sultanate, my fantasy's worlds equivalent of Carthage and the Ottoman Empire, the warriors under her command deserting her. Alone, she began wandering in search of allies who would place her on the throne, scheming and double crossing to gain the funds needed to raise an army strong enough to put the rebels to the sword.

Indiana Jones "It belongs in a museum!" Bad guy" Wait... are you stealing my culture?" You" Dude is an evil artifact." Baddie" It isn't inharrently evil. It's our heritage." I have just boiled down 2018, yw.

There are always scenario's in witch its acceptable for a DM to change one's alignment. Getting the alignment card in the deck of many things, replacing your hand or eye with the hand or eye vecna. Alignment can and should serve the story.

I just never see it as necessary. Aside from things that switch your alignment around. The Paladin in the party i GM for started off Neutral Good, but very quickly shifted himself to True Neutral. The only time i told a player to switch their alignment was the Gunslinger Dwarf, when he burned down a tavern after cucking a guy (long story), and i told him to switch from Lawful Neutral to Chaotic Neutral. He never really adhered to the law too much. His backstory included him being banished from his homeland for disobeying a law because he didn't believe in it.

Honestly their alignment is well meaning dumb. I kind of side with you. Unless someone is flagrantly doing good/bad stuff for reasons. As a DM myself I will knock cleric/paladin backed powers off if the cleric doesn't do something against alignment but they do purposely do stuff that would intentionally piss their God off.

Kharn, to the greater extent, I do agree with you. Alignment was not ever designed to infringe on a Player's agency with his or her PC... It's the character's core "moral compass" from whence ALL actions come and must also be justified... Good being "socio-centric" and Evil being "ego-centric" in nature... Lawful (obviously) is structured by an ethic, and Chaotic is unstructured for individualism/uniqueness... Finally, Neutrality is either described as ambiguous to the duality of natures in question, or flat out ambivalent (doesn't care). It's not particularly difficult, AND only really needs explanation here, to be sure we can all get on the same perspective page on the matter. A reasonably experienced Player can thoroughly justify ANY action to ANY alignment construct. It's simply a process of explaining from the core value(s) through motivation to intent... Thus you get plans, actions, and outcome (which unpredictably, may or may not end with the intended result). Now, in the circumstance that a Player takes an action that he or she can't legitimately explain from alignment, then the GM should take the agency to penalize.That's NOT to say instantly change the alignment, nor that every resource in the books exactly tells you how to penalize alignments for counter-aligning actions... In fact, they don't. BUT from one infringement to the next, the penalizing actions grow, until there's some point to actually changing the alignment of the Character to better reflect that Player's motivating narrative. Good aligned characters that take up rapidly evolving and un-justified "evil" activities can be stricken with steadily growing emotional traumas, nightmares and night terrors, delusions and flashbacks, etc... Until there's a paradigm shift for the Character to finally "lose faith" in the "good" and decide (however dubious) that it's really just a "dog-eat-dog" style of world and there's no purpose in buying into the "betterment of society"... SO "F*** 'em" and the PC can take on a more "neutral" or even cross fully into "evil" alignment... Becoming self-serving (the definition of ego-centric behavior)... "Redemption arcs" (of course) can be played pretty close to the same way. Granted, thoroughly "evil" (ego-centric) Characters might not exactly endure the SAME kinds of nightmares, delusional behavior, flashbacks, and such that a "good aligned" Character might, BUT there's still something that would interfere with the Character just as much... AND it should be "build-able"... Finally, since some priestly and monkish powers (among other archetypes) ARE based on alignment or attuned to it, they should mechanically suffer (at least) some consequence in this process... If the arc is carried "to fruition" they should (to be fair to Players and PC's) be replaced or reskinned to reflect the new Character Alignment as necessary. I might add, that the whole "ego-centric" and "socio-centric" description of alignment is reflected in the D&D Systemics all the way back to first edition, and that while Gygax never actually used those technical terms, it was likely to preserve some notion of theme than to obfuscate his intentions in the ideals... Consistently, it's been printed that "Evil characters do NOT intentionally actively engage in harming others, neither directly nor indirectly. They're only intent on their own gains." Meaning that ego-centric personalities are usually just careless about consequences. Those are someone else's problem. ;o)

RetroLegend That's the joke

so a real story is a joke? on april fools day?

The only way to fight against the despotic choke hold of april fools jokes on media is to post legitimate content on april the first.

Yeah. TheRPGMinx's April Fools video last year was her legitimate face reveal.

I remember Valve did something similar, they deliberately posted a controversial update on April the first a few years ago. Turns out it wasn't a joke.

The original or the remake?

KaiserAfini ANOTHER ORDER OF THE STICK FAN

That story is so incredibly well written, I am amazed more people don't talk about it.

KaiserAfini it is a well kept secret that is, in fact, not a secret.

Drizzmantec Shhh, its a secret to everyone (passes a red Rupee under the table)

researchinbreeder nice zelda reference

Well deserved 1s. You can't start chopping and then act like you didn't.

Knowing Puffin... Doesn't sound like it. He's done worse.

Alignments are Lawful Evil, as they are often misused to force a character to make a uncharacteristic choice.

Rogue Exposure Quite possible. Hard to understand for new players; mostly ignored by veteran players. Not sure why we still have it except it's such a part of DnD I don't see it goimg anywhere anytime soon.