Never thot I'd see so many people defend corrin

Corrin: swordie with a combo game, goes even with the majority of the cast, auto-spacing bair, fair's -4 but combos and can set up for kills at percents less than 80, invincibile recovery. Proguides: D tier, take it or leave it

So they’re putting Zelda in the bottom tiers then? I’d say Zelda is mid tier, probably in the C tier. She’s not great, but she’s not terrible.

Corrin in the same tier as Doc? Now that's the spiciest take, looking forward to seeing the comments explode...

There is no way they put ridley in E tier.

Dr mario in the same tier as Corrin.... yeh sure man, maybe ask the players that give smash training what they think.... corrin is for sure B at least

Bayo in E Tier? That's a take, she was E Tier 2 years ago, not now lol

You're really gonna do my boy Ridley that dirty?!?! I can't take these opinions seriously anymore.

I think Corrin is very underrated. I'd say he's B tier worthy.

Corrin is scary on Battlefield, where her Up-Air guarantees a bad time. Even on Omega stages, she feels higher than D-tier. Can sometimes struggle to turn damage into kills, but her aerials are all really good.

What….you guys completely forgot about Zelda.

Corrin isn’t D tier buddy

Doctor mario actually makes a lot of sense, Spending years getting his PHD he hasn't been doing any active plumbing/adventuring, so he moves slower but has also learnt all about the vital organs so hits harder and more efficiently.

Wtf corrin in d tier Yall have officially lost your minds

I was with you until B tier, where I thought some characters were missing. C tier was a mess and D tier is...eh. That's all I'm really going to say, since I don't really want to write a long essay stating why you should put X character into a higher tier or Y character into a lower tier.

*me maining isabelle* : where is my secretary dog?

Corrin in D tier is absurd, sure they aren't amazing, but a very solid character that is just underused.

Oh come on is Bayonetta really that bad in ultimate? She's at least C tier

I still hope for a doc recovery buff one day

Really putting plant gang lower than D tier 😭😭

Esam who put corrin at high tier: haha this a joke

Corrin should be a bit higher

This is litterally the worst tier list ever

Kirby is lower than D tier, even after getting buffed twice? F in the chat.

I hate loosing to really good DK's and Belmonts. My Samus can't just outlast them but needs to fully exploit their disadvantage and correctly catch them offstage. There was at least one time I landed Samus's bomb to dair spike on a Belmont just at the ledge. That was satisfying but lucky.

"Dr. Mario... His neutral is nothing to scoff at..." LMAO, what neutral? He has some of the worst mobility and burst options, his attacks are short-ranged, and while pills can sometimes help, most characters can easily get around them/invalid their usage. Despite his great frame data, he can have a really hard time landing hits, and worst-case scenario the opponent can even effortlessly camp him, which isn't much of a risk since Doc is too slow to catch them or regain stage control. So yeah, his neutral is something to scoff at.

Because Doc is apparently so much better than we think, here’s all the characters Doc is better than : (E Tier) Kirby Jigglypuff Ice Climbers Zelda Ganondorf King Dedede Lucario Bayonetta Ridley King K. Rool Isabelle Incineroar Piranha Plant Mii Swordfighter He’s not better than these characters, he should be in the same tier as them. Some of these characters should be in D Tier or even higher! Zelda, really?

Never knew doc’s degree was in art history

CORRIN NATION IS WAY HIGHER. MORE HIGH TIER

When corrin is d tier

Am I the only one that heard, “you can’t bring up DK without mentioning his rap game,” instead of grab game?

They keep disrespecting Donkey Kong. Plus I could name a bunch more top DK players that they didn't mention. Chunkykong, DK Will, Runes, KDK, iDK, Proctavia.... The list goes on. Also DK has been doing better in tournaments over the past year. It just sucks that there's a culture of discouraging people from investing time in characters that are considered mid-tier or lower. This is why I retired from competitive smash 11 years ago

Bruh did you just put Corrin and Doc in the same tier? Also where is Zelda?

Donkey Kong is legit underrated I'm tier lists, he's c tier for sure, Corrin is also b tier

Took longer than I thought

Welp I know who’s gonna be in the next video and prob the next thumbnail of the video 😔

Damn piranha plant mains got disowned

Dude by the time you get to Mac and ganon I mean Bottom tier, kazuya will already be out

Ok. i know you're gonna put Kirby in f tier because "he floaty and slow" Jejajeja has beaten Sparg0 before. even though he was already viable. Remember kids to actually look at good character players before playing, and always update your games to the right version

No way they put my plant in F tier

I’m a doc main and he should be F tier. I genuinely believe he’s viable but he’s still horrible.

They didn't even drag Corin that bad though, It's just the meta bro.

Watching this list after RETA 2022 where MKLeo beats Spargos Cloud with Corrin and wins the whole tournament xd

everyone fighting for corrin but really bowser jr is actually a pretty good character and very under rated

Corrin's C tier at worst though, they're not that bad.

What tier is zelda in because no way is she bottom teir she should be high c or even low b

Hikajro is pretty shmoving

Is it just me or some characters are missing in these tier lists

So Dr. Mario is better than Kirby & Zelda? Corrin D tier? Omg. This is so dumb.

As a corrin main, i've neve seen something so accurate, look y'all can defend corrin all u want but truth is: 1. she has no ground game - fastest option is frame 5 which basically negates the fact that fair is -4. fair being - 4 imo doesn't matter since your too slow to retreat anyways and your fastest option is frame 5 meaning moves like bowser up b, zss up b, and a LOT of aerials out of shield, you can argue that she can just shield but she doesn't have a shield option faster than frame 9(besides up air) and that frame 9 button, which is nair, is minus on hit at early %s. Some will say, but dude u haz ftilt, then i respond with, bruh everyone has an ftilt that can do the same thing. This is one of the reasons why pin kick and dash attack are used often. Approaching with a jump as corrin is waayyyyy to committal. and when you do approach with them, it's not gonna be a surprise when they just use an upsmash or fsmash. You can use the side platforms in some stages like yoshi's, kalos,(specific points at bf) and t&c to approach with pin kicks that won't leave u on the ground allowing you to either nair or wave bounce fangshot but this is very stage specific. Her advantage state on the ground isn't even that good. I have been experimenting with footstool combos with corrin to set up for early kills with a down smash, a read with fang shot or smtng like that and i will say something, when u get a jab lock it's either u go for a hard read with these characters or u jap lock f-tilt which can lead into a back air but eh still not good. 2. She has NO mid% combo game What she gonna fair fair upair and deal like 20? looks here's the thing about corrin mid% combos, not all of them are actually true except for landing nair into air, fair doesn't really true combo into anything besides the prior mentioned footstool set up(this is around 40-60btw, after this % it doesn't work). D-tilt doesn't true combo into anything at this %. her only way to consistently rack damage at this % is to win neutral with her average start up frame data and slow movement from around 35% to 110%. you just have to out play no way of escaping 3. Corrin just can't kill Look no offence to anyone but if u die to a raw bair then u just got outplayed(excluding online cause online is online). Corrin's bair is frame 13 and only really kills at the ledge. Only way to combo into it is just landing WEAK nair which is easily contested by any hitbox and easy to react to offline(to some extent. So in short if u want the early kills, good luck cause you either have to hit a landing weak nair at the ledge in order to kill with bair. You can use the other moves ofc! like fangshot which you need to get hard read with if you don't wanna die to a fully charge fsmash or corrin's own TIPPER fsmash cause sour spot doesn't klll at center stage till 100 iirc, so that means you have to space with the fsmash while leaving yourself open to 12 frames of start up(which isn't bad) and 28 frames of endlag or being -26 on shield. only way corrin can actually consistently kill is at around 125+% when her up air(which i'll agree is broken) starts to kill. If the corrin can't get said up air she has to rely on pinkick which kills at around 125% on average without rage and this is assuming that it isn't staled. prior mentioned early kill moves are also possible but corrin fsmash is not consistent and bair(while it does auto space) is frame 13. starting 165% you can start fishing for upthrows but that's not the point. The point is corrin can't really kill consistently without putting herself at a disadvantage. You can say tipper pin cause it's frame 4 or smtng but like if u land that in neutral why ain't u in the pgr Common counter arguments: Chainsaw broken: It won't poke through a full shiel but if u still complaining you can jump out of shield and sdi up and away then follow up with a jump or an airdodge jump so avoid the fsmash and punish the corrin. After 2-3 hits (depending on how big you are) you should be fine since it won't rue combo into fsmash her advantage state is also broken: I do agree but characters with faster air speeds like palu and wolf can retreat to ledge since corrin is way too slow and her ledge game isn't that good. Shield after doing -4 moves: keep shielding and let's see how your opponent reacts Common arguments that agree with me that i don't really agree with: Corrin recovery suck: it's bad but not really, up b has i frames and is a multihit while being able to contest some moves due to big hit box. Bair pushes her forward, pin the stage mixups and fair is just good so there's that too Corrin has no off stage presence: To some extent yes but in specific situations, not really. this is because corrin nair is actually decent in offstage edge guarding and may lead to a position where you can get an early kill with bair. pinning the stages is also good espes for character with recoveries that have no hitboxes. In recoveries like palu's you can pinkick towards the stage in order to get a lingering 2 frame or a ledge trump and back pinkick can also be an option if they have an obv habit. said pin kick towards stage can be teched but you are still in an good position even if they do. fang shot is stupid since ball hit box is huge and gives corrin time to go back to stage while sending at a bad angle. run off wave bounce neutral b into fair can cover a lot of options espes at high %s. Full hop dair even if going off stage is an amazing tool and if timed correctly something you can survive. and lastly dair 2 frames are actually dumb since the timing is much easier than pin 2frames and lingers for a little longer while spiking some multihit recoveries that don't go to ledge like bayo up b and sending some chars at dumb angles. If you have any questions or argument regarding this just reply tbh, i'll try to respond

honestly. King k. rool should be in D tier and not F tier. Most of his moves have belly armor ( and that's pretty much is trump card. ) He hits hard as crap. has a recovery almost like piranha plants and can edge guard hard as crap.

I swear if Piranha Plant is E tier

2:33 Ain't that from planet of the apes?

I think it's important to remember that tier lists for this game shouldnt be taken too seriously because of how well balanced the game is. Playing a high or top tier is not a guarantee for success, and playing a lower tier not a guarantee for doom. In the hands of good players characters on the lower end of the tier list are still a threat (as we can see with Leo's Byleth and Marth, Jejajeja's Kirby or Hungrybox's Puff.) I dont feel too much juice around who proguides chose for the D tier because I dont think it matters as much as it does in say, Melee or Brawl

DK isn't D tier lol, you left out his pDKO confirms and surprisingly good matchups against some high tier characters

corrin d tier ye ok buddy

Are they basing this on the online meta? This is the only way I can make sense of some of these picks

Dr mario is more powerful but slower than mario

Not mentioning Mabel for Doc???

seesh corrin defenders

Where is Lucario?

Anyone who disagrees with corrin try playing them in tournament and then say it

So the remaining characters are Mac, Lucario, Zelda, Incine, Ganon, Dedede, Kirby, Puff, Ridley, Bayo, Icies, Rool, Plant, Swordfighter, Villager, and Isabelle.

Corrin top tier. #CorrinClub

Just where is Zelda...?

You are forgetting Kirby and I will get mad if you place him in E

Mii gunner is the best character Change my mind

This tier list is ridiculous your putting corrin in D tier when they should be in B tier and your putting Zelda in the last tier when she should be in C tier this is some bull. Wow this tier list is made to piss people off im flabbergasted at the audacity of it all. 👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾

dK is combo food thats well known but on a tier level D? Yeah right. Do yall even smash forreal?

Cotton is more C tier and Dr.mario is bottom 3

Corrin mains really gotta stop fucking around in these comments… Just pick up a top-tier LOL 😂

It is hard to rank the worst characters in this game. Every character has potential. I think Corrin does not deserve to be this low. Bowser Jr., while I feel they are very strong, does not have the most convincing results. I think Donkey Kong's best main is being rated unfairly as there is also Chunky Kong/RJ but you only talk about DKWill, Hikaru and whoever that other person is. Remember that online tournaments can have much higher attendance than offline and Chunky Kong/RJ has been an online player mostly. I have heard of great Doctor Mario players but never really paid attention to any particular players and can see them being ranked close to bottom. There is another Belmont player worth mentioning but I totally forgot their name. Another player who may have showed up in the online tourneys foremost.

This channel always had the worst opinions on characters and how ultimate accuracy .

Belmonts are B tier.

Dr mario is a rip off of mario. Change my mind

I’m that case second

"He has a PHD" No, he doesn't, he has a medical degree, which is not a PHD

Are you seriously putting Zelda in E? Sorry but, in my opinion, there is no way she is that low. Zelda is slow and suffers from range issues outside of Down B, I agree. Does she struggle against reflector and suffers from very few high level representation compared to her very large low level representation? Yeah, totally, but don’t tell me a character with: part of the best out of shield options in the game (Up B, NAir, FAir and BAir), a Down be that can shield her against projectiles thanks to the Displaced Phantom technique, ability to cover both low and medium recovery at the same time, very good recovery, amazing Up Air and a Neutral B with invincibility frames that can be used as a reflector, get off me tool and edgeguard is close to E tier. Also, Zelda has this quirky particularity to destroy people with bad matchup experience. She does require a lot of precision to play effectively, but that doesn’t justify her as bottom tier. Upper mid tier in my opinion, maybe B tier, but absolutely not E tier.

I hate corrin but she is b tier if not a tier

You're putting Kirby in the next tier is the mistake. He's definitely low B high C

I think doc is bottom 2 in the game, only better than little mac

Corrin is absolutely not D tier

No the dong men is SS tier.

this tier list is a big oof

Y’all stay disrespecting IC mains…

Wait zelda’s going in bottom tier? Who in the fucking hell thinks Zelda is as bad as little Mac?

Would have thought to see Zelda here. Guess she’s worse than I thought

Tiers lists are subjectives

God pro guides this tier list is awful

knew this list would be trash, but not THIS level of trash

Ridley low tier my ass Corrin low tier my ass Incineroar low tier debatable Dk low tier my ass Bj low tier my ass Apparently I thought they mention ridley and Incineroar low tier I'm unsubscribing the moment I see ridley and Incineroar e tier

Incineroar F tier?!!!! NO!!!! I may be a little bias cause I main him, but he is at least a mid tier. And how could you put dr Mario d and Incineroar f? Doesn’t make sense. Also, I’m trash with corrin but i at least know she isn’t d tier.

Mii brawler is the worst character in the game Change my mind

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