I was a horrible wrestler in high school. But i do good against blue belts. But thats because i knew self taught submissions. My first day of Wrestling practice i was 105 pounds and choked out a guy that was 215 in about 5 seconds. I was disappointed when i was told thats not allowed in wrestling

@@dallaswilliams1002 lol yeah. chocking also isn't allowed in Jiu Jitsu tournaments right?

@@rabbitazteca23 Wtf. Sure it is.

Personally as a state champion, I usually cap out against brown belts. I know my few self taught submissions and wrestle cautious so I don't get caught in something. I usually try to roll in to my Kimura or a front face side choke with like arm pressure (idk I'm not a bjj guy).

@Mason Ferris that's true. I went to a judo gym one time and almost everyone their was a black belt. I destroyed every black belt but one. We were about even, but he also trained at other places for a long time before that. I was submitting everyone else atleast twice in 2 minute drills

Not making a statement about BJJ vs Wrestling. If anything we wanted to showcase how incredibly effective wrestling can be when you understand a little BJJ. It’s simply a title and a thumbnail that gets people to click. If I posted this video with their names or a different title, it might get 100 views in a day. With this thumbnail and title it’s gotten over 11,000 in less than a day and because of that more people than every know who these men are - compared to if I just named it “Mikey England vs Austin Baker”

@@subspectrumbjj I'm pretty sure the title "190 pounds wrestler vs 240 pounds BJJ brown belt" would get the same or even more views. At least there is an underdog to root for.

Based on how your speaking, it comes to sound that your a wrestler, who feels attacked. I know how you feel, because I felt the same. But you have to understand that this isn’t about which one is better. Both are very effective, however, wrestling tends to favor the feet, and BJJ favors the ground. It went exactly as expected. I wrestled for ten years, and I’ve done BJJ for 4 months. It proves how effective it is. Please understand that this isn’t about which one is better, it’s about a really good match between two different grappling backgrounds.

@@alessandrosaltsman2202 Exactly! ^^^

I think I must’ve thought I was responding to a different suggestion cause this is actually a good one.

As a jiu jitsu fighter i agree. It has given jiu jitsu a bad image over the years. It is a ground fighting art so you should learn how to take it there.

@Shaun K running isn’t all about knowing how to put your shoes on, but its pretty damn important to do first. I also don’t think that anyone implied that grappling is all about takedowns. Its just something you should know.

@Shaun K If you can't take someone down, what control exactly do you have over them? I've trained both BJJ and Judo - takedowns are essential for the real world to apply your BJJ.

@Shaun K there is a reason why you don't see a lot of butt scooting in MMA; even though MMA doesn't directly translate to the real world, it gets a little closer than more restrictive sports.

100 % ... think Khabib and GSP

Agreed. Styles make matchups and this was a perfect example of that fact.

Wait who was bigger!?

@@Rob_2002_NCAA_Champion Austin had about 50 lbs on Mikey

I didnt it was that close tbh.....close un points but Austin had his back twice with 2 close chokes and two sweeps.....

@@subspectrumbjj holy shit. 50 pounds? Could you imagine if they weighed the same. Crazy

That's because he is calm

@@farhcawalid8224 Yes...OSS...!!

@@farhcawalid8224 time management was perfect. But I would've tapped before he even started choking 😭

There’s a lot that went into his ability to defend that choke. I speak on it briefly in the commentary but would love to dive a little deeper into an explanation about it.

@@subspectrumbjj would love to see that. Subbing in hopes you make that vid.

We would never allow it and Mikey would never do that. He wants to compete against and beat the best. With a little more Jiu Jitsu experience I believe he could do really well in the ADCC ruleset.

@@subspectrumbjj I appreciate that mindset. There was a money comp that I'm not going to name. The white belt winners were MMA fighters and a D1 wrestler. I've been to past comps with Judo black belts and such competing at white belt. I just don't understand it.

@@The_KZfaq_Critic it's because they are afraid, afraid of getting rag dolled by someone with their own level of skill.

I enjoy facing better fighters as a white belt. Our gym throws us to the wolves and forces different levels of experience for all of us. The wrestlers are savages,

Lately?

Hey! Thanks for the comment and for checking out the video!

D rank

Beautiful stuff! 🙌🏼

Amen . This is why I want boxing and wrestling before Muay Thai and jiu jitsu

No doubt - it's a great match!

Train both BJJ and Wrestling I say, through in some techniques from Judo and Sambo and you got an unstoppable grappler

@@keanenfulton4696 train wrestling first, as a kid in youth league. Then BJJ when you get a little older, 16+. The foundation in wrestling is far superior.

SV not if you end up on your back. Wrestlers aren't good on their backs or know to protect their backs.

@@yusufgta4341 I'm not sure what you mean. I said train both... but for kids, train Wrestling first b/c there's a built-in network of youth Wrestling leagues across the US in every public school nationwide. BJJ is still niche coast to coast. Both are great for different reasons. Wrestling for power/controls, BJJ for finishing.

Seriously! Can’t tell you how many times I’ve clipped that section out and posted it to Instagram. It’s a thing of beauty!

watch for the woman in the back with her mouth open in awe at the end of the clip hahahha

@@jasonbennett2194 Funny - I think that's what I did too. Maybe not for as long as her, though.

Finishing is more important...u slammed him now how do u finish?

@@user-pp9bl5gr1n ground and pound

For real though. His escapes in this match were crazy. Couldn’t believe he kept Austin from getting all the way to his back with hooks in

Facts bro 😂

Those are the comments we love to see. These videos are not suggesting bjj is better than wrestling or vice versa. They’re to show that all styles of grappling can be successful when used in the proper sequence. It’s those that can put it all together who will be Champions! Thanks for watching and interacting positively in the comments. It means a lot!

@@subspectrumbjj I would say that wrestling and BJJ have different strengths.

@Arrgh Jay If those top level BJJ guys ever try to start an MMA career, they’re going to need those wrestling basics. Just like you said - absorbing what is useful in each, which was what Bruce Lee said. He was right all along.

What is unfortunate is that people cannot formally train in Wrestling after they finish school, like they can in BJJ, Judo, or Karate.

@Arrgh Jay it is absolutely a problem and something even I experienced up until the last year or so. I can tell you my game improved dramatically after implementing more wrestling and leveling up the intensity of the practices that I coach to be more like the wrestling practices I had in HS.

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I grew up wrestling and transitioned to BJJ after high school. Wrestling gave me a really great base to get started in BJJ. Forever grateful for everything I’ve learned about technique and life on the mats.

Can you reccomend a KZfaq channel that shows how practicioners of each style can use skills and technique from all the other grappling styles to fill the gaps in their grappling game?

@@cgiles9086sambofusion9486

Wrestlers who have experience grappling with BJJ students who have their basics down - generally have respect for it. The people who show disrespect for BJJ - are the ones who have zero experience with it.

It was a multi camera set up so it was hard to stay out of the way of all cameras, okay lol I’ll do better next time 😂

@@subspectrumbjj Haha, that's fine. But if you have multiple cameras, switching perspective would be very helpful.

Yeah that was a good Single Leg Sweep !!!!!!! 🤙💪👌 👏👏👏👏👏👏

No doubt. I broke down some of the things he did technically to escape in another comment and plan to do a video breakdown during the month of June! Thanks for checking out the video and dropping a comment for the algorithm! 🙌🏼 helps the channel and the athletes in the video out more than most people realize!

Well timed and executed sweep from the bigger man - Austin Baker! Mikey got a little overzealous in that position and paid the price. Excited to see a rematch between these two at some point down the road!

Very impressive!

He is. Really solid MMA fighter on the cusp of getting his opportunity in the UFC.

Really appreciate that man! I love doing commentary and while I still feel like I have a long way to go to become the commentator I believe I can be - it’s nice to be recognized for doing something right 🙏🏼

Appreciate the kind words and the positive comment, Braedan!

Exactly why this is one of my favorite matches in the archive. You really get to see a lot of great grappling between two guys with completely different backgrounds. Just a great match all around.

Being 50lbs also helps

@@user-gb4zq9np7m I don't care much about the weight and neither did the wrestler. The results would be very similar if the weight was the same. A d1 wrestler with not a lot of jiu-jitsu experience has little chance against a black belt. But a purple or brown belt d1 wrestler should be able to stop a black belt 6/10 times

I wonder what goes through the mind of a wrestler when his opponent goes to the butt-scoot position?

@@perfectsplit5515 "don't extend your arms"

all 3 is best!

@@evision4418 I'd be more worried about someone is super good at one thing than okay at many .

Judo takedowns are such a great tool in the clinch their submission could maybe also surprise a pure bjj or wrestling guy. It's important to know all 3

@@erickirschenbaum2804 Yep , I was never an expert at any of these but I know all 3 . So it really helps when you're going up against higher belts or wrestlers that can practically hold a freightliner down .

Now just learn muay thai

who cares

@@drobichaud1000 ☝️Suffers from low-T

Austin is back this Saturday in both our Advanced Gi and No-Gi Absolutes! We’ll be going live Saturday at 9:30 AM central time if you wanna tune in and check it out 🎥🔥 guaranteed to be an awesome event!

That would be awesome. Would love to see these guys tear it up in the training room too. That’s where you get the best footage! 🎥🚀

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proficient jab to keep strikers away (mayb a side kick too) and work on bringing them elbows down hard while on top and you should be fine..

Takedowns plus submitting is catch as catch can wrestling .

"I feel like modern BBJ already incorporates lots of wrestling moves and principles." BJJ comes from Judo, Japanese jujitsu, and Catch Wrestling. Esai Maeda was a Catch Wrestler, in addition to being a judoka. It is my understanding that later on, Carlson Gracie integrated wrestling into his version of Gracie Jiu-Jitsu. Additionally, Rolls Gracie took up wrestling and he probably took content from wrestling into BJJ.

Thank you! I really enjoy doing commentary and just this year have been able to get back to doing it. I personally feel like I still have a lot of work to do to be the level of commentator that I believe I can be but it’s nice to know I’m doing something right. Thank you for the kind words and for dropping a comment for the algorithm 🙌🏼📈🚀

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Regardless of the opponent - Austin is a high level grappler. Showed it once again in our most recent even taking Submission victories in all six matches along the way to capturing our Advanced Gi and No-Gi Absolute titles 🏆🏆

Lachlan Giles does this in one of his free KZfaq videos. If you're really interested, let me know and I'll figure the link + timestamp. And yes, it's a really nice move.

@@anonymousreviewer169 please do.

"That sweep austin went from sidecontrol on bottom to top mount in mid air.." If he initiated it from the receiving end of sidemount, then it is not actually a sweep, but an escape.

what do you mean?

@@xy5844 like how hard you practice and what your goals are affect where you end up that’s for a lot of things

thanks for answering i follow wrestling and i enjoy it but im old and its hard where i live to find a gym that teaches this old art

Thank you for the comment! Mikey is a great dude 🚀

Yeah, it does seem like styles don't mean much. It's just good grappling between two skilled athletes.

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No don’t about it. They don’t call him the “Maniac” for no reason 😤

Yeah , like , let's pretend getting a kick to the face is a possible threat. It makes the fight look dumb

@@TheAlgerietop It's a sport, not a street fight.

@@TheAlgerietop Amazing logic there Algerie!! You know, the next time I have a Jiu Jitsu match I’ll start with a hook kick or a flying knee!

He put on the clinic on the feet. And even on the ground he held his own and did a tremendous job defending the back and chokes. Especially when you see what Austin did in our most recent event - it’s truly impressive. Mikey England is no joke.

Hard to say if that is true or not, but like you said, it’s very common to see huge weight discrepancies in submission grappling - especially in this bracket. Our Absolutes draw athletes of all sizes!

@@subspectrumbjj hard to say for sure yes. But that D1 status means a lot. Because even when a wrestler or judoka lacks the arsenal or finesse of a submission specialist, simple relentless pressure of being pushed, pulled, thrown and slammed can physically or mentally break a more skilled opponent. The wrestler having come from such an environment, is likely to have better raw strength and cardio too. If you take khabib for example, most his career has involved wrecking opponents with relentless takedowns, controls, trips and throws. The submissions he finally applied have never been things his opponents never knew how to get out of, but eventually they just give up.

@@dfpguitar he would have won for sure if the weight was more even.

@@dfpguitar ya but without his bjj knowledge He would've got submitted way earlier my dude

Correct with like 12-18 months of BJJ Experience. The title is meant to keep it short & simple - providing enough context to interest viewers!

There's also catch wrestling. Most D1 wrestlers have some submission experience.

@@thecasuallongsword Plus the dude has been wrestling for 20+ years and doing BJJ for 12-18 months. If he was going to identify as anything it would be “a wrestler.” The “D1” provides context about the level of wrestler that he is.

All about the basics 👌🏼

Yes! We’ll be uploading that match here shortly so stay tuned!

@@subspectrumbjj cool! Thanks for the quick response. Liked and subscribing.

@@DOSEightyEight Of course! Thanks for checking it out and interacting in the comments! 🙏🏼🚀 It’s helps us out a ton!

Too big and too skilled. The way he set up that last sweep was beautiful. Driving into Mikey so he would drive back in, switches directions, and SWEEP!

@@subspectrumbjj he was just too big. Wth size comes strength. The wrestler could only do so much with his skills. I give all props to the wrestler, he didn't get tapped at all and he's a stud for going in there.

Can’t deny the skills. Every time he made a mistake he made him pay for it. I saw someone mentioned 65 pounds as the tipping point for an advantage in grappling in another comment which is complete bs in my opinion. If that was the case then why are most weight classes about 15 pounds except for heavyweights? I’ve always been super impressed with the body control and flexibility of high level bjj guys. Bjj is a thing of beauty at high levels. I sometimes wish they would mix in more judo and wrestling takedowns as the 3 different skill sets seem like they would compliment each other extremely well?

Probably very little we didnt try any submissions I'd love to see these divison 1 wrestlers train in submission wrestling The outcome would be very different

@@Midnitedreary88 but he defended submissions very smoothly as well

@@elenchus I agree

Most of these video headlines are misleading. Almost all of the matches the guys train at jiu-jitsu gyms but might have backgrounds in other martial arts. It is click bait.

He looks like he has had a lot of BJJ training before hand. Look at the way he's defending and look how smooth he is in these positions.

No stupid questions man. Thank you for asking and giving me a chance to analyze the position to give my opinion about why he would have done that. In that position if he begins to address the choke, his hands are occupied and unable to be used for anything except defending his neck. Austin was already sliding off the back and although the choke looks deep, if Austin cannot maintain the chest to back connection, it’s very unlikely he will finish the choke. Austin committed to the choke instead of the seatbelt giving him less overall control. The position and movement of Mikey’s shoulders is already disrupting the chest to back connection that Austin needs to finish the choke. Because of that shoulder movement and positioning he can dedicate his efforts to fighting the hook coming over the top and to his far hip because without that hook Austin is unable to regain the chest to back connection that is required to maintain control and finish the choke.

He set it up perfectly too. Driving into Mikey knowing he would push back and when he did - sent him for a ride!

Probably 50ish lbs. The cash prize Absolutes create some pretty crazy match-ups.

@@subspectrumbjj the wrestler was impressive despite the difference. Both amazing athletes for sure

That weight difference.... ouch

@@GallowsPole805 That’s what you get when you enter the Cash Prize Advanced Absolute!

@@subspectrumbjj yeah I know... he signed up

This is the right response!

That brown belt would get slaughtered if the weight classes were switched lol. Suplex city.

I was wondering what the weight difference was, it clearly wasn't evenly matched in that regard. 50lbs is pretty huge.

Truly a great match. Thanks for checking out the channel 🙏🏼🚀

What do you think would happen? This is the game you play when you enter the Sub Spectrum Absolutes!

No doubt about it. Thanks for checking it out!

Exactly. It’s possible to train and compete with two different styles for different kinds of competition or emphasis.

😂😂😂

I thought the same thing Smashing machine jr

you have never trained muay thai in your entire life

Lol.

You likely wouldn’t have stumbled upon the match without the click baity title. More people watch the match and interact in the comments thus pushing the video to a much larger audience than if the video was simply titled “Mikey England vs Austin Baker” - in the end, more people see the match and thus more people know these amazing athletes names.

@@subspectrumbjj fair enough. appreciate the honesty

@@subspectrumbjj that's why I clicked

Congratulations lol go watch chess.

I’ve seen more exciting choreographed movie fights. I watch actual competitions so I can see what is realistic, rather than what is exciting.

There’s probably somebody who could explain it better, but I’ll do my best. Thank Division 1 is the highest level of collegiate wrestling and includes the top 75 or so college programs. Below that is Division 2, Division 3, NAIA, Junior College, etc.

Thanks man

This is our Advanced No-Gi Absolute, so almost every match has a weight discrepancy. Last event we had a match that was 170 lbs vs 330 lbs 😳

@@subspectrumbjj Lol u people are maniacs 👍

Thanks for checking it out and interacting in the comments Thad! 🚀Helps us and the athletes out a ton!

Indeed! Thanks for checking it out 🙏🏼🚀

Similar to ADCC rules where the first half of the match is unscored and submission only and the second half of the match is scored.

Mikey, a Division 1 wrestler with about 12-18 months BJJ experience, entered our Advanced No-Gi Absolute (open weight, open rank) and made it to the semi-finals where he faced off against Austin, a BJJ Brown Belt.

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It’s a great match! Thanks for checking it out.

Glad you enjoyed it! Appreciate you checking it out and dropping a comment for the algorithm 🙌🏼 helps not only the channel but the athletes in the video out more than most people realize! 🙏🏼

Mikey’s ability to keep Austin off his back and defend the choke attempts was tremendous. Seeing what Austin did this past Saturday makes this even more impressive.