there fr needs to be employed and unemployed lobbies for every fg lmao

FnFR bro. Employed and unemployed lobbies is a good idea lol

The amount of demons in casual play practicing the shit they’ll never do in comp is too high

😂😂😂😂 right on 🎉

Facts

Hes a professional. Long ass time playing those controllers

some people can type with less buttons

Keyless board

Keyboards have a limit for the amount of buttons you can map inputs to. Also they don't connect to consoles so yk.

Hahahah

I mean its a valid question since controller debates are a big deal in fighting games, Having the k+k could arguably be seen as a macro wich is really controversial in the community.

@@sebastianbell8326the question should be “do you think this controller SHOULD be illegal” because the video proved that it’s already legal. They’re basically asking us if we think coffee is black.

@@sebastianbell8326 You don't know what a macro is

​@@sebastianbell8326 It's not an illegal macro if you can bind it in the in-game settings. A normal pad with 4 back-paddles has 12 easily accessible attack buttons. The only difference with Daigo's hitbox is where those buttons are placed.

You’re so red pilled you forgot that we the community can decide wether it’s legal

Good, Justin deserves it for those terrible tier lists he made a few years back.

@@spiralgodking9877what lol

Fuck, why is that so accurate. Sf stresses me out as much if not more than work sometimes...and that's saying something

MFs like this sometimes just ruin gaming for me.

The real question is, why is this the game you’re choosing to enjoy after working a long day ? 😂 SF is literal rage inducing…

​@@miguelcuevas7224And takes crazy huge amount of skill to compete against players who know what they're doing or playing arcade mode in the highest difficulty.

You arent getting matched with Daigo. Hitboxes arent making bad players good, its moreso a slight enhancer so the better player regardless of controls will win. You can do socd on controller. Rank points exist. Smurfers are your only potential problem.

Except it has 15 buttons

​@@Modragalica1as long as it's only 11 attack buttons right?

@@BSHK808 prob

​​@@Modragalica111 for attack and 4 for movements

1000th like

tf are you talking about

​@@therealwillsmith The snes had a six button controller.

I like the genesis six button controller.

@@Fabulos1i had one of those

No..???

Faceroll with the fire wielding troll. Nah I love ya Kwens!

Ken needs massive nerfs to his jabs, they take too much priority

@@deanbrooks7297 honestly, a rush down character should have strong jabs. All of them have fast high priority moves

Ken mains just see DP as a button

​@@deanbrooks7297priority isnt a thing homie Stop watching dsp 99% of the cast has jabs at 4frame startup, the differences being their range What makes cammy and ken have such godly jabs isnt anything like 'priority' its that they have long range

Before i explained, did you think it was legal?

@@FGCCentralthey really had the balls to not respond

​@@nexu9087might not have gotten a notification.

@@FGCCentral I mean I know that the only real criteria it needs to make that I can't easily figure out by looking at it is if it's SOCD compliant. Once you explained that, yes.

U look bad

Same here... New sticks for PS5 need to include the trackpad,R3, L3 as 30mm face buttons .. Luckily arcade sticks are very easy to make👍

you can easily play without them. its just skill issue

@@TakehisaYuji yes I can, that doesn’t mean i don’t want extra buttons to make it easier for me.

​@3axapTY that or I just want a safer way to input certain commands in order to expand my options.

I mean i already have my left trigger as 3 kicks so that gives command dash too. I thought that was a common thing? Also im not a ken player in this game and i use 3 kicks and 3 punches for l1 and l2 so i have OD buttons

Well it can be remapped for other characters as well.

@@WeirdEdz yea on ur generic controller this mfer had a button added custom for his command dash

​@@the_last_rangergeneric? By that concept all new age controllers are breaking the rules Atari and Nintendo had set of just one button or two buttons. Fighting games always increased button requirements. In fact Marvel Vs Capacom 2 should of been 8 buttons! 6 attack, buttons and 2 switch out buttons. A majority of games now are multi tasking buttons for commands that you are basically doing Naruto Hand signs trying to use all the command features for fighting games.

​@lorenexus4917 I wouldn't say new age controllers are breaking the rules. The Nintendo amd atari weren't the standard for tournaments back then. It was arcade cabinets.

😅😂🫡🤓

there are tons of gamecube controller analog stick notches modified for specific angles for fox/falco in smash melee 😂

When you have 10's, 1,000's, 10,000's, 100,000's, 1,000,000 dollars on the line. It seems like a perfectly logical move.

​@@professoryorick5676aren't those also the steepest angles for any moves you can aim as well though?

How many characters do people normally competitively play with? Two? Three if you're good.

@@snoopyguy21​​⁠most rational players (i.e anyone who isn't a character specialist) will have a main, secondary for bad matchups and MAYBE a pocket pick for specific players (last one applies for tippy top players mostly)

Actually, he did have an illegal controller at one time. That's before the SOCD became a rule. He had been using it during that time, and was later told he couldn't use it. He wasn't the only one though, as a lot of players had to adapt to SOCD clean levelers controllers.

That one friend who explains all the frame data and metagame evolution and historic balance changes for their character after you say "no way you hit me with that" during a friendly match

I mean I had thumb surgery, and have a few other health issues. I use leverless pads for many reasons.

@souls what’s wrong with that? If it’s tournament legal and does what the rules say. There is no problem bringing it. I play better on a leverless. I’m decent on the fight stick and on a game pad. So I’ll use equipment that I see more improvement with.

@@LockesTTV Yeah that's pretty much what that friend would say when anyone brings it up lmao

​@@rubenbohorquez5673 Maaan, it's wild that Lock unironically proved your point by defending it. 😂😂😂

Problem is Daigo plays Ken like Ryu.

how about the tekken backdash or sidedash? does it feel "natural" once u get used to do it on hitbox?

@@martincpt204 So much easier. I haven’t had any problems having to KBD

nah, i tried and went back to my arcade, never felt my hands tired playing so little time

interesting. i was thinking about getting a Hitbox for Tekken. How is it doing forward dashes and quarter circles back and forward motions?

I played tekken and all other fighting games using keyboard my whole life. Just bought rac j800b, and waiting for package arriving. I'll be finally able to enjoy SF6 and Tekken 8 when released on my xbox.

Ps5 compatibility A brook wingman has too much input delay added and ps5s dont have native keyboard support

@@V2ULTRAKill i'm sure what he said was definitely not a joke

Keyboard isn't as comfortable and there's also the compatability issue.

The button layout makes it more ergonomic & less stressful on joints than other controllers.

Just like a spacebar haha!

u just dont get it do you

@@BaStAgE I don't see any issues with it.

​@@BaStAgEno they exsctly get it. You dont get it.

i needed an elite controller of xbox for xbox 360 to play armored core 4 and V, because in 4 i were using like 8 fingers to move my mech, i find a way after playing VD to match something more confortable, to put the attack buttons on the triggers instead the X and A buttons, and it were way better, but still need those back buttons to move me better with my mech.

The armored core grip for the controller not enough in 4 and 5?

Literally impossible. You can play with the keyboard, with gamepads, arcade sticks, and any variation of those you can come up with. Any attempt to standardization will piss someone off.

@@every_username_is_taken The standardization means things like 'One button= one input to the game' which is not how one of the buttons works. One of the buttons is essentially a macro button.

@@Folsomdsf2 most if not all fgc tournaments prohibit hardware modifications like macros, but only a % of players actually compete thus there's no way for companies to actually control what kit you're using in the comfort of your home. It's actually even a bit contradictory because the companies that push for some sort of standardization usually allow you in their games to set up dedicated buttons for commands made of two inputs, like throws and parries in Street Fighter.

Possible for competitive tournaments only.

Yes. 6 buttons.

I think it will depend if daigo wins haha!

​@@FGCCentralIf he does. How many matches he's won would also definitely account for that.

I don't think it's really "against the spirit of the rules". 9-10 attack buttons on a hitbox isn't that uncommon. he just added 1 more. it's not like he was abusing a loophole or technicality.

I hope they are, most esports don't allow macro keys (they're considered cheating, lazy, and poor sportsmanship), I don't see why fighting games are any different.

@@bohlam6c It's not the number of buttons it's that the controller uses what are at least arguably essentially macros. The hitbox was already kind of questionable in that regard IMHO.

thats nt the point it makes it so easy to execute them as keyboard im a dota player and i can use about 13 keys + mouse

it's only an extra 3 buttons for macros

Yep the other 4 is directional inputs

😂😂

Good stuff!

How the fuck do you do that with this controller?😮

@@Fenris30 you can string the inputs faster than the jump takes to register.

@@amalaspina its still really hard lol

That's really impressive bro. On Keyboard (same concept) I usually fuck up the SPD motion or HC motion because I miss ONE true "down" input in the motion, everything else is perfect. As a result, I have to linger on true DOWN for a hair longer, so my inputs aren't just B, DB, DF, F.

because you don't understand.

@@BaStAgE Or maybe he has better execution than you and enjoys the challenge without binding moves to s single button.

ikr! Custom controller give members so the fgc opportunities to showcase their creativity!

???

​@@xol9331modern controlls basically do the imputs for moves for u so u just press a button for a hadoken for example iirc its new for sf6

If anything it's classic in steroids

@@barnabasdouglas8219 yeah, hitbox is still classic as in you still need to do motion inputs to do moves. The left three buttons are motion buttons and the right eight are attacks.

@@spicyrumohe literally has buttons that ignore the necessary input.

Thanks for sharing your thoughts man!

You should have seen one of his first hitbox mods that got Capcom to implement the SOCD & Button rules. Google diago's banned hitbox and look for this black one with a single gold button, The thing looks so DIY and honestly hilarious cursed controller material compared to this clean looking "Legal Ken" model. That scuffed thing was enough to get Capcom to add an entire new ruleset to tournament play. I might not be remembering it right but I'm pretty sure he even mentioned that it was intentional to attract attention for the Capcom cup to add new rules.

Fair point

wat

You're talking about SF5 lol.

@@smoothsavage2870 you're right. I couldn't remember. But my point is still the same.

@@LM77va That's true. But I think he figured out how to do it within the rules this time.

Thank you

It’s convenience and not really an advantage if everyone can build the controller they like lol. You‘re free to do it yourself instead of whining 😂

@@bigboyfinesse8310 listen two button presses are two buttons presses. So human error is involved and the possibility of not pressing buttons correctly simultaneously when in battle is always present. Even with pros like Daigo it happens. Removing that error possibility by turning two buttons into one is definitely advantageous. Especially when the hit boxes also remove the diagonals. That's even more of an advantage. So let's say if Daigo's failure rate on executing moves is less than 10% well the now his hitbox drops in half if not altogether. Hitboxes for a player like me mean nothing cause I'm not that good. But in the hands of an elite pro like Daigo it's a huge advantage. Playing with customized Hit boxes with more buttons and the removal of analog controls is cheating. There's no other way to look at it.

@@Shinobi33 as long as there are players that literally prefer a stick over a hitbox or some kind of mixbox it will be totally fine to me and no reason to criticize it. dont see the point in whining about it. all it does is restrict players in playing the game the way they like it. not everyone wants to learn to play with a hitbox.

@@bigboyfinesse8310 doesn't matter. It's not an issue of preference it's about cheating. Hitboxes with 11,12 buttons is cheating

Which is great haha! No need to spend on expensive boards haha

Hardware SOCD settings can bypass this though, for instance holding left and inputting right can cause the board to send only right.

KK is a macro in the games so its legal haha

@@FGCCentral lol good to know. Regarding fighting games I’m entirely casual so wasn’t sure on legality of that, I guess if everyone uses it then no brows should’ve been raised

Screw that play legit not cheap

Nah

How is it modern

@FGCCentral why did you like this

Amen mkb superiority

Nah. Most keyboard and mouse setups don't even have n-key rollover, much less 11 key rollover.

@@MansMan42069 yeh.

@mansman2167 nah we have programmable 9 key on the mouse and 69 buttons that can be mapped. The mouse is far more accurate than any controller and accelerates so fast that console people think we're cheating.

@@rabbidninja79 >mouse >fighting game My guy, what are you aiming at in a fighting game? 🤦‍♂️ My condolences to your parents for having given birth to you.

I don't think it's that cut and dry. Box players have certain advantages but they also have to deal with certain drawbacks (namely managing the button layout). As long sd everyone has the option to use the same control devices, I think there's room for preferences.

@@user-do2ev2hr7h tbf idc if people play on box or fight pad or a console controller, but in a tournament setting I feel it should be universal everybody decides on one. I do believe that box once you get used to your setup is much more accurate and consistent than controller

​@@user-do2ev2hr7hstill, technically they can optimize their button placements, and the one mentioned in the ideo even has a shortcut. By definition, it is giving them an advantage

​@@CLOUDY_macthen why not ban pads lol. Why ban the input device that you say works better in almost every way

@@LoadPast I'll refer you to the second comment in the thread lol