Unfortunately these civil discussions are not being had today. This was over a decade ago, Christopher passed in 2011

"Atheism is a disease of the soul, before it becomes an error of the understanding." Plato

It the US maybe

@@trollemctrollersen The romans called Paul and the other christians "atheists". Atheism was defined as non-belief in the Greek pantheon and atheism was a capital crime.

The mistake is looking at Christians to find flaws instead of looking at Christ.

Don’t judge God by people

I would add that your actions are the only proof you can offer another person.

Most of us Christians behave in hypocritical mannerisms. I do it too, I fall short all the time. I try to catch myself and repent. My flesh deceives me a lot.

Your believe (religion or cult) will be tested when kni** in your head....

Yeah why didnt God just create us like super computers and we do everything perfectly with no errors?

God is pretty shitty at his job if he gave us free will knowing it would fuck everything up.🤣

@Siimonseez It's not up to you or anyone to determine what is perfect and what is not. That's up to God.

@Insane3OB God's gift of free will allows us to choose to love or deny Him by our own accord. He loves you so much that He respects your choice to be so ignorant and disrespectful towards Him. It's all part of His perfect design, not an oversight. You should thank him for that, considering that WE are the ones who F everything up.

@dsreview129 then our capacity to love wouldn't be geniune and pure. Choosing to love Him freely is so much more beautiful and significant than just being designed to "love" and only "love" like brainless zombies or perfect robots like you said.

*Manipulated to fit the agenda. Fixed it for you.

Of course it is. This channel purposely did that to make their side look better instead of Hitchens destroying this doughy faced dumbass like he did in the debate.

Wow! Thanks for sharing.

Can you elaborate more on what types of questions were on your long list that Christianity sufficiently answered but other religions did not? Did these answers come from what was said by other Christians or from what was written in the bible?

Other Christians ruined my view of Christ unfortunately. Saying you can’t be Christian unless you go to church. Then they judge the fuck out of everyone. It’s tiring. If I follow Jesus I don’t want the label Christian. Ffs. Specifically my ex ruined this for me saying I wasn’t Christian enough 😩. How rude to say to someone who believed in the same God as u. They were a hypocrite & acted passive in everything. I think that says more about them than Christ so I can hopefully get back on track.

@@Calbizzle Oh wow! This is fairly common, though. Your view of Christ should not change based on someone else's actions. He didn't do that to you. I call this situation, "The Great Excuse," standing by ourselves on judgement day, looking for some christian to point to and say, "But, she..." Nope. Your relationship with Christ is 100 percent between you and Him. We could discuss the other points but get this one right and the rest will settle correctly. Respectfully,

@@Calbizzle Given all the different Christian churches and interpretations of the bible, how do you know if the God you understand and believe in really is the same as the God your ex understands and believes in? How do you know what is enough of a Christian?

If believing in stories told by fearful uneducated superstitious misogynistic bronze age desert tribesmen in the most backward part of the middle east that have no basis in fact leads you to happiness then you should stay a believer.

@@clarkelaidlaw1678 You mean like Dawkins? Ok.

Ezekiel 36:26 NASB95 Moreover, I will give you a new heart and put a new spirit within you; and I will remove the heart of stone from your flesh and give you a heart of flesh.

I used to live a Godless life. This lead me to darkness, destruction, suffering. My faith lights up my soul and makes everything better in life. I don't believe in religion literally and I also believe in science but I believe in a higher being a lot. Spirituality is important. Also, atheism can feel religious aswell since there is no proof of that there is no God, it's just a faith. Hence atheists cannot say they are superior to religious people in this aspect, they are very similar.

@@Clarity_of_Light I'm sorry you felt like that, but you "feeling worse" has no bearing on the truth of something. In contrast, I abandoned my irrational belief in God when I was a teenager and really started being able to think critically. My life is richer and less miserable because of it -- but that in itself doesn't make me right. Your deduction about atheism being a "faith" also shows that you don't understand the atheistic proposition. An atheist is simply one who lacks a belief in god (a-theist). By definition, that is not faith. I understand that theists misrepresent atheism all the time, but someone who actively "believes" there isn't a god lands in a subcategory of atheism not described by atheism itself.

Come on, my friend, think carefully and decide. This world was not created to be a game. There is a creator. We are put to the test. We will learn to compete in good deeds. The good will win and attain eternal heaven. Islam commands us to compete in good deeds, and it prohibits sins such as cruelty, lying, adultery, interest, murder, gambling, etc.

Love your analogy!

The gospel written by man and plagiarized from the Persians and the Romans

Preaching the gospel, or anything else, is fallacious in a debate; it's not an argument-quite clearly.

​@@mortyharenza9854recorded* by people. that's how history works.

​@@burntgod7165hey there! I'm guessing you didn't watch. OP is rightly impressed with Mr. Lennox's skill in structuring his successful arguments in such a way that not only do they answer the strawman put forward, but also they lead naturally to the point of the whole debate in the first place: the greatness of God as most vividly expressed in his self-sacrifice on our behalf. Hope that helps, have a good one!

@@KalonOrdona2 Actually, prof. Lennox's starts with a straw-man argument. Hitchens pointed out existence of natural evil (not involving human actions / morality) and Lennox responded with argument about evil done in name of God (moral evil). >the greatness of God as most vividly expressed in his self-sacrifice< It is incorrect. Immortal God can't die. "Death" for a weekend is nothing for the eternal God. And this God is omnipotent hence, he can't be harmed by his own creation.

I agree.... I love that we get to see most of each person's view. Just would've like to have seen a more even display. Chris's speech maybe 5 mins John's over 10 . Thank you for the video.

Nah fr

Seems lazy

"...without too much interruption." "Hmmm..." "Wow..." "Ummm..." "Wow..." "Hmmm..."

@@shaunparker2929 re >Chris's speech maybe 5 mins John's over 10 < This disproportion indicates that Hitchens were able to express his thoughts efficiently while prof. Lennox had to cover his shortcomings with the prolonged waffle.

And it took you a life time to get it ??? ..its so obvious just by look at the history of humanity...and you know what ? behind all of this is the demonic realm....and you know why God lets people believe the demonic lies ?......because we choose it and God is letting humanity exercise their right to choose !

I’m glad you’ve found your sop .

did you really have to comment ?@@dennisevans6544

I've never looked at a platypus and thought "yup, someone had to have designed that!" 🤣

Nutter.

I used to think it was strange too until I looked at the evidence

@@TheChadPad The evidence you are looking at is in fact not evidence for anything. In fact it may even be propaganda these days, but aside from that your worldview must make sense in your head, so any article about a rock will make you do that easily. Especially on the internet. This includes me sounding like a blind brainwashed idiot to you when I am not. Much love my friend.

@@josh__mclendon well I promise, I don’t look at you as a blind brainwashed idiot any more than any of us have been brain washed and are idiots. There is certainly propaganda among the evidence proposed for this question, in both sides. The evidence that I’ve looked at raises huge questions about an old earth, and indeed an old universe, that represents gaping holes in its explanatory power and contradictions that simply cannot be so. For instance, the presence of soft tissues found in every level of the fossil record. Soft tissue cannot survive millions of years even under ideal conditions. There is a lot of food for thought, and this hardly scratches the surface. God bless

@@josh__mclendon well I promise, I don’t look at you as a blind brainwashed idiot any more than any of us have been brain washed and are idiots. There is certainly propaganda among the evidence proposed for this question, in both sides. The evidence that I’ve looked at raises huge questions about an old earth, and indeed an old universe, that represents gaping holes in its explanatory power and contradictions that simply cannot be so. For instance, the presence of soft tissues found in every level of the fossil record. Soft tissue cannot survive millions of years even under ideal conditions. There is a lot of food for thought, and this hardly scratches the surface. God bless

@@josh__mclendon well, I don’t look at you as a blind brainwashed idiot any more than any of us have been brain washed and are idiots. There is certainly propaganda on both sides. The evidence that I’ve looked at raises huge questions about an old earth, and indeed an old universe, that represents gaping holes in its explanatory power and contradictions that simply cannot be so. For instance, the presence of soft tissues found in every level of the fossil record. Soft tissue cannot survive millions of years even under ideal conditions. There is a lot of food for thought, and this hardly scratches the surface. God bless

He was actually talking about the horrors done by the followers of Mohammed, Mohammed was a mass murdering delusional sexual addict false prophet, whose God was not/is not the God of Abraham/Bible.

You do understand that that is a fallacy, right? The benefit of a belief does not equal that said belief is true...

​@@courageousmelon5654first of all, your grammar and sentence structure is atrocious. But after deciphering what it was you were actually attempting to say, I realized that your reading comprehension isn't any better than your writing ability. That's not at all what the original commenter was saying. Plus, regardless of what you believe, it is an objective fact that a man named Yeshua (aka Jesus Christ) lived and was crucified. Now whether you believe that man was the son of God or not, that's a conversation we can have. But to dismiss it as though it never happened or that it's a fairy tale is simply ignorant and intellectually dishonest. And again, regardless of whether or not He was who He claimed to be, his life and ultimately his death has impacted our lives and culture exactly the way the he said it did.

Not to mention the fact, he's done so for most of his life and became famous for doing so. But who really loves fame so much they'd live in hopeless misery their entire lives in order to have reason to be so? Poor guy.😢

​@@markwildt5728leave the cringe nitpicking to the children lmfao

I'm sorry but Dr Lennox is being absolutely dogmatic in his answers. He states quite clearly he knows who created light for example! There's not a shred of scientific proof that that's the case and yet he say's it as if it's empirical fact! The only basis for Christianity is the Bible and that's a document that was written years after the supposed events. Science relies on facts and nothing more...

and mr Lennox has never demonstrated that his invisible friend is real.Until he can demonstrate that we are entitled to treat his claim as superstitious misogynistic bronze age nonsense

His smile reminds me of when my baby would shit herself, she would have that beatific little grin as she filled her diaper. Probably quite happy she has accomplished what to her is a much needed task ,without any idea of what a big pile of Sh!t it is. Just like dear old John. Now I am not in any way saying God does or does not exist. It is Jonn's defence of a Christian Religions Views about god that i strongly question & which I believe are no where near as valuable in any way than say ... my daughters full diaper, and are IMO as far from the truth as the edge of the Universe to my left is from the edge of the Universe to my right. That is the entire "God" Atheist problem he argues about & that is religious views. Man made up religious opinions, stories etc have nothing to do with God ! They really only have to do with control of population, they are a way for a few "leaders" to take control using a God myth, We Know The Answers & You Need Our Guidance. I have yet to see anyone arguing the greatness of God or God's. But there are any number of Persons who are experts on & will argue in defence of Christianity(all 4000+ sects) or Judaism, or Islam as well as those who know what Buddha wants, & the multi God religions of the near & far east . Yes huge amounts of Religion arguers, No actual God(s) champions arguing against all the religious views out there AND EVEN MORE IMPORTANT & NEVER SPOKEN IS....The Gods complete & utter silence on all of it .

It's all dogma perhaps you don't use the word.

John is not as intellect as Christopher, blatantly not the level, christian missed the main objective to such debate.... Every bias

This guy is too dishonest to show it

Couldn't agree more

Amen to that. Lennox’s legacy is cemented as one of the most impactful contributors to the field of Christian apologetics of this generation.

well Lennox should prove his faith in fact any christian Mark 16:18 If they drink anything poisonous, it will not hurt them.

​@@ashwayn oh are you trying to demonstrate you have read the Bible? Keep reading and you'll find out the context and which specific group of people at which specific time that was referring to. Well done you. Would you like me to recommend a few good teachers? Top tip friend is read only the King James Holy Bible. The rest have been corrupted. I wish you well on your journey, if you are wise you will realise you don't have to go anywhere except inside you and the Cross where your Saviour died for you.

@@ashwayn You have an incorrect interpretation of that passage. The point of Mark 16:18 is that a powerful and resourceful enemy, even with forces of nature, cannot stop the the Body of Christ (His church) & mission from prevailing, no matter what is thrown against it. The context is metaphorical. The verse is certainly not proclaiming Christians are immune to snake bites & the effects of consuming poison. Sadly it’s one that has been misused & misinterpreted often throughout the centuries by those who have either a faint understanding of Scripture and/or a disregard for adhering to the entirety of Its authority. “Do not test The Lord thy God” A proclaiming Christian drinking poison as a test or attempt to prove a sort of divine protection or immunity is a clear and direct example of what we are commanded not to do.

@@ashwayn you were so close to saying something rational, but it ended being emotional, childish garbage.

Oh that is very sad that he died--especially if he did so without changing his mind.

According to atheist religion, What is wrong abot genocide? Should we ask stalin?

He now has the answers.

If God would allow him to return O what stories he could tell

@@rroadmap That's the big cheese isn't it. Hell is waiting for those who don't repent?

No, he just rationalised what religion was and what it was doing to societies.

@@MittensUK He wrongfully rationalized.

I disagree with you entirely @@vi683a

No, he is very correct and you have wrongfully invested yourself in a god myth that has no truth and only echos of stories of mortal man.@@vi683a

​@@vi683a aka raised the standard of living across the planet, supplanted the rule of power and fame, with love and mercy, and made the lowest outcast a leading member of his congregation. Anyone who denies God is love still has their own God, just one that isn't love. See the following: (people have time to criticize Christianity because it has already done all the hard work) Protestantism also has had an important influence on science. According to the Merton Thesis, there was a positive correlation between the rise of English Puritanism and German Pietism on the one hand, and early experimental science on the other.[72][73][74] The cultural influence of Christianity includes social welfare,[75] founding hospitals,[76] economics (as the Protestant work ethic),[77][78] natural law (which would later influence the creation of international law),[79] politics,[80] architecture,[81] literature,[82] personal hygiene (ablution),[83][84][85][86] and family life.[87][88] Historically, extended families were the basic family unit in the Christian culture and countries.[89] Christianity played a role in ending practices common among pagan societies, such as human sacrifice, slavery,[90] infanticide and polygamy.[91] Scientists such as Newton and Galileo believed that God would be better understood if God's creation was better understood.[92] Christianity had a significant impact on education and science and medicine as the church created the basis of the Western system of education,[62] and was the sponsor of founding universities in the Western world as the university is generally regarded as an institution that has its origin in the Medieval Christian setting "Christianity planted the hospital: the well-endowed establishments of the Levant and the scattered houses of the West shared a common religious ethos of charity." The Byzantine Empire was one of the first empires to have flourishing medical establishments. Prior to the Byzantine Empire the Roman Empire had hospitals specifically for soldiers and slaves. However, none of these establishments were for the public. The hospitals in Byzantium were originally started by the church to act as a place for the poor to have access to basic amenities.

How about being tortured. God should not have made us to feel pain

@@lyberth4366 If you didn't know pain, you wouldn't know pleasure because you'd have nothing to compare it to. You could be tortured for days and after this life it would seem like a millisecond when compared to eternity.

@@toddbender3463 So you are fine with you or others getting tortured, cause in the end it doesnt matter? Or u are just another hypocrite who doesnt understand what he is talking about?

Pain protects us, If you didn't feel pain when you got burnt on a hot stove (I was a todler once lol), you would not pull your hand away.

Shouldn't people who believe in God be suicidal then? Also all these replies suggest God must be a really sadistic being.

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I know!! He’s wildly underrated and unknown for how profound he is! And a deep love of Christ too! I’m honored to help get his message out there!

​@@Daily_Dose_Of_Wisdom Thank you for this video. That man speak Truth.

Exactly 💯. Many Atheists in the comments section making but nice strawman arguments against Christianity and theism. Professor John Lennox showing the hypocritical double standards that Atheists have for religious beliefs and theism that they don't apply to what Atheists do. I used to be an atheist and agnostic but they're both assumptions about reality made without any evidence just emotional and strawman arguments against Christianity and theism. Creation and design requires a Creator we call God. This has nothing and everything to do with the video but please listen if you want to otherwise leave it alone and ignore it. Hello my name is Justin and I'm a fellow Christian and Apologist but I'm also a college student. I'm not a closed minded Theist as I have nothing against Atheists or unbelievers as I speak to them often to understand their reasons for unbelief but we as Christians are convinced of God's Existence due to many real factors). I'm not trying to convert anyone or convince anyone to become Christians as that's The Holy Spirit's job to help people believe but only explain why I believe in Jesus Christ. There's actually evidence of God's Existence in Christianity. First of all there's proof that Jesus of Nazareth existed in history since the writings of Tacitus, Josephus Flavius, Pliny the younger and other historical documents prove that He was living two thousand years ago that even scholars both religious and Atheists agree with historically speaking but not that He's The Divine Son of God because obviously they don't. I'm going to give you historical and archeological evidence for God's Existence as The Scriptures have prophecies that predate the events recorded in them by several millennia including Matthew, Hosea and Zechariah which prophesy accurately of the people of Israel becoming a nation again after over 1900 years of being scattered around the nations since the destruction of the Temple in Jerusalem in 70 A.D. spoken of by Christ in Matthew 23:29-24:3 and returning to their homeland after The Holocaust with Jerusalem as their capital in 1948 exactly as Jesus The Christ said. The prophets including Daniel spoke of the time where several world empires would arise and fall including the Babylonian kingdom, Medes and Persians, Roman Empire, and Saladin and the Muslims which went in consecutive order for the past few millennia. The people of Israel becoming a nation after The Holocaust in 1948 (ironically the melting point of gold as God compares Israel to gold that's tested in fire in Zechariah 13:8 and Jeremiah 16:15) exactly how Jesus The Christ said would happen since God us everything to come in The Scriptures and not just because people were working towards as Atheists claim which are impossible for any regular man to predict. Just before anyone says Christianity is a white man's religion made to oppress blacks during slavery you obviously aren't aware that the first Christians were Jews in The Middle East and that Christianity just like any religion can be used by evil and corrupt people to oppress others but you forget that the first Abolitionists/Civil Rights activists were Christians who sought to abolish slavery, racism, segregation, injustice and prejudice throughout American history. Jesus The Christ loves you enough not to give you what we all deserve which is God's Wrath by His Own Blood. Charles Darwin didn't originally come up with The Theory of Evolution over 200 years ago as it is mentioned in the writings of Ancient Greeks who believed in Demons that gave knowledge to philosophers. Evolution makes no sense when nothing has evolved after thousands of years of human history and supposedly the first creature came from primordial sludge several millions of years ago funny how they won't believe that God an Eternal Almighty Spirit Being created us from the Earth) which came from a supermassive expansion of matter at high temperature that inexplicably created everything in the known universe that supposedly came from nothing billions of years ago. How did the organs evolve before there were bones, skin, substance and how did any creatures see before eyes evolved? I've studied evolution and abiogenesis in the past and read Darwin's " On The Origin of Species" and I'm not convinced of macro Evolutionary biology whereas I accept micro Evolution like speciation and adaptation but not macro Evolution because there's no evidence of it nor clear observable examples of it where living creatures evolve into other kinds of species plus the fact that fossils don't show evidence of evolution and genetic entropy rules out evolution. The question begs how did two genders evolve from a common ancestor with a perfectly hospitable and sustainable environment with breathable oxygen and resources to survive on inexplicably? Atheists have the burden of proof to explain how everything came to be and why our existence is possible without the Existence of God from an godless perspective just as Christians have to provide evidence of God's Existence and the validity of His Word. Evolution requires life to already exist in order to take any effect in living organisms so it doesn't account for the existence of Life and reality. Also evolution is impossible because it goes against The Law of entropy and the second Law of thermodynamics because evolution makes things better whereas nothing continues to get better but decays and turns to absolute destruction in the end. Mark Ridley an Evolutionist said "No evolutionist whether gradualist or punctuationist uses the fossil record as evidence in favor of The Theory of Darwinian Evolution as opposed to special Creation". God's Existence is made perfectly known and observable in the universe as demonstrated in His Handiwork in the intelligently designed manner that Creation was made, human consciences and consciousness historical and archaeological evidence of God's Word being valid history, fulfillment of Bible Prophecies God in His Holiness and Righteousness could give us what we deserve in Hell for our since but He's merciful to give us free will to choose to accept or reject His gift of salvation by grace through faith in His Son Jesus. I don't mean this is any condescending manner but if you'd like to discuss The Scriptures with me or have me listen to your view on anything my instagram account is Savage Christian Kombatant.

@@Daily_Dose_Of_Wisdom he is not wildly underrated he is wildly overrated by Christians. His arguments are weak, and he is talking nonsense. I could shred him into pieces in every argument he tries to make. Because his only argument is always " how could you not believe". And if you would not be so afraid of the truth you would show the entire argument between those two. But you don't. You never do that in not one of your videos, because you are afraid. The only reason Lennox did not get laughed at is, because he is working in Oxford. And to be honest. He don't deserve a place there. He is not a scientist he is a preacher.

You will never hear the answer. it is painful to say I don't know - so they keep quiet.

Agree. People believes in theistic evolution because of lack of knowledge, confirmation bias and indoctrination.

"[which doesn't seem to have helped very much]" aka raised the standard of living across the planet, supplanted the rule of power and fame, with love and mercy, and made the lowest outcast a leading member of his congregation. Anyone who denies God is love still has their own God, just one that isn't love. "[which doesn't seem to have helped very much]" See the following: Protestantism also has had an important influence on science. According to the Merton Thesis, there was a positive correlation between the rise of English Puritanism and German Pietism on the one hand, and early experimental science on the other.[72][73][74] The cultural influence of Christianity includes social welfare,[75] founding hospitals,[76] economics (as the Protestant work ethic),[77][78] natural law (which would later influence the creation of international law),[79] politics,[80] architecture,[81] literature,[82] personal hygiene (ablution),[83][84][85][86] and family life.[87][88] Historically, extended families were the basic family unit in the Christian culture and countries.[89] Christianity played a role in ending practices common among pagan societies, such as human sacrifice, slavery,[90] infanticide and polygamy.[91] Scientists such as Newton and Galileo believed that God would be better understood if God's creation was better understood.[92] Christianity had a significant impact on education and science and medicine as the church created the basis of the Western system of education,[62] and was the sponsor of founding universities in the Western world as the university is generally regarded as an institution that has its origin in the Medieval Christian setting "Christianity planted the hospital: the well-endowed establishments of the Levant and the scattered houses of the West shared a common religious ethos of charity." The Byzantine Empire was one of the first empires to have flourishing medical establishments. Prior to the Byzantine Empire the Roman Empire had hospitals specifically for soldiers and slaves. However, none of these establishments were for the public. The hospitals in Byzantium were originally started by the church to act as a place for the poor to have access to basic amenities. One very slight google search, not to mention the millions of people who individually followed Jesus' teachings and based their lives around love rather than the materialistic schlock that you've put above God. But nice try.

Please watch and share with others my four brief videos in which I present examples of scientific facts contained in the Bible; facts that the writers thousands of years ago could not have been aware of without divine knowledge given to them by God. Thank you!

Yes Hitchens is very much missed

@@TheAmericanDane I wish he had become a Christian before he died. Now he's lost and God has stated in His word that He wants no one to be lost. However, God has given us free will to make our own choices. Hitchens unfortunately did not choose wisely. Take care.

@@thetruthaboutscienceandgod6921 what utter BS !

@@ittaiklein8541 Hey, Ittai: You are not correct. God loves you more than any human being ever has or ever will. The Bible states that Jesus Christ stands at the door of your heart and knocks. But Jesus isn't going to break down your door. He's given you free will. It's your decision whether to invite Him in. I pray that you will do that. Take care.

Same. I've been absent of his mind of a resource.

If you like former mathematicians babbling in ignorance and lying about branches of science they’ve never studied then he’s your man!

Type “John Lennox” and start listening to his lectures and debates. You will be blessed!

@@GaryLyons blessed with an arrogant fool lying about a crisis in evolutionary biology for example….

What's it matter..he saysvthe same old tired thing every other apologist says

And yet there is no substance to any of his arguments..

@horseguy1230 That’s an L take my man

@@pauldavid2407 That can be argued either way, though I have yet to see any solid factual evidence for the existence of god. Convince me.

@@horseguy1230 Materialism would lead you to believe that haha

@@horseguy1230 Let me ask you a real question what would be evidence of God to you?

Yeasss .this video is one sided

Pretty much,its amateur stuff kinda ridiculous its considered" genius brilliant epic"

Einstein answered this question.

Facts 😂 just read a lil bit

​@@danielhicks4826 I gotta better question that could serve as "ammunition" for atheists. But even then, it would require atheists to abandon the notion of atheism since atheism is pointless to begin with and has no visceral power. But anyways, what an atheist could say is, "Was the serpent really evil? Perhaps the serpent is good. He helped open the eyes of Adam and Eve so that they may know good and evil." Then again, it serves as a moot question because then one would have to question the "power" and "greatness" of the Ancient Serpent to begin with. Why'd he have to sneak in and disguise himself if he was so powerful and worthy to be venerated as the hero who opens eyes? A mighty and true hero wouldn't do that.

thats easy: bible showns that the god of Abraham is a violent, narsissistic maniac...

Unfortunately he is in Hell. Unless he secretly confessed Jesus as his savior in his heart. But I would doubt that.

it hurts to say but I think there is cause for reasonable doubt whether he is resting in peace - however one never knows what has been in ones heart. And God searches the hearts.

people always say Hitchens was sooo brilliant- really? take away his English accent and listen to what he says, he is just bitter and angry. I hope he found Jesus before he took his last breath

​@@ChopinIsMyBestFriend We can only pray that he did :)

@@bryant475 Surely. No one can know a man in his heart of hearts.

And like all theists he has no nobel prize for his "research". Now he is a grifter like all preachers.

@@Z4r4szGod bless you, you need it. Your other comments ramblings reveal how sad your worldview is. Your getting very worked up over these videos, let’s take a break. A Nobel prize isn’t needed because it’s already obvious, and has been known before. I’m sure if God talked to you, you might as well call it a hallucination or your schizophrenic.

@@Z4r4sz if your an atheist you have no basis to call anybody a grifter lol. You also have no basis to even care about this or anything else in life. Stick to your nihilistic and sad worldview. And actually live like you believe in it for once

Ask him to use science to prove there is God. I bet he will fail also.

I'm an atheist

So basically you're saying: something complex that works = god?

@@capslock956Yeah, it is (at least what i understood from what the guy was saying). Have you ever looked at a clock and thought "yep, that came completely out of lucky"? It is already proven that if the constants of the universe where slightiest different we wouldn't be here. A expansion of the universe a little faster, a little slower, or a the distance from the sun a little bit different and etc. Why is that? By luck? I won't take that possibility out as irracional, but believing that there are a powerful being behind it all isn't stupid as well

​@capslock956 Because its by design & not chaotic is enough evidence of a Creator YES! an explosion in a library never created an Oxford dictionary but evolution says that something exactly like this has happened! Well I don't have that kind of blind faith.

@@capslock956 No,, complex and specified. Here's a definition of specified complexity. What's the empirical evidence showing that a material process can generate specified complexity? "Specified complexity, the property of an object being both unlikely and structurally organized, has been proposed as a signifier of design. Objects exhibiting specified complexity must be both complex (e.g., unlikely under the relevant probability distribution) and specified (e.g., conform to an independent or detached specification)." --- George D. Montanez Department of Computer Science, Harvey Mudd College, Claremont, CA

Natural plants heal us because they contain the same chemicals that are body uses to grow and develop. In the same way that the plan uses are rotting flesh when we are dead in the ground. How does that proof that it was God that did it as opposed to say funguses and viruses did it.

He's a content stealing loser with literally nothing interesting to say.

Well I agree with you minus the 98,000 years part. That's pure conjecture based on problematic dating.

You must live in an alternative universe if you believe 'After 2,000 years of knowing God we've spread rationality, peace and freedom across most most of the globe....'

The broken world, stumbling,and pain is gone now huh..? Thanks for the info. I'd never have known otherwise.

I'm certainly on the side of Lennox in this debate, but I don't think your observation here really rebuts Hitchens' position. Hitchens asked how a loving God could allow humanity to struggle for so many millenia before entering the world to enlighten it. I'm a Christian but I think the question is a fair one, and unfortunately the segments shown here do not answer that question. First I would argue that Hitchens' question misses the real point of God entering the physical world in the person of Jesus Christ. That point was not to educate about the material world or to end physical suffering; it was to redeem. It was to make clear Who God is and who man is; to make clear that the only life for man is relationship with God; to make clear that man's nature prevents that relationship; and to provide the means for that relationship. I certainly take your point that material and social progress have followed in the wake of Christianity but even had they not, man would still be redeemed by Christ's atoning death and victorious resurrection. After all the Christian believers who lived before The Enlightenment were just as redeemed as we are today although they did not enjoy the advances you catalog. More directly, Hitchens' argument is rebutted by recognizing that the number of years or the number of generations is not relevant; the number of people is relevant. Estimating the proportion of the total number of people who have ever lived in each millenium is very imprecise, but it's not hard to find estimates that about 95% of all the people who have ever lived have been since Christ. So Hitchens' argument that God coldly watched people struggle for 98,000 years and only helped people for 2,000 years is a pretty significant misrepresentation of the opportunity mankind has had to benefit from the knowledge of Christ's physical presence on earth.

Yea Hitchens is arguing why so much absurd amounts of suffering prior to our modernity. Saying that it is good now doesn’t quite outweigh all the pain and misery these people went through for 100,000 years. Very out of touch to the significance of the point. Dismissive actually - but it takes lack of imagination, dishonesty, and a selfish heart not to take Hitchens argument head on. Reflect on it more would be my first bit of advice to you.

Of course it's just story telling 🌈

Mr Lennox can ramble on for hours about his imaginary friend but until there is evidence that his invisible friend is real we rational folk are entitled to treat his claim as superstitious misogynistic bronze age desert nonsense that came from fearful uneducated superstitious misogynistic bronze age desert tribesmen in the most backward part of the middle east that have no basis in fact whatsoever.

Super amazing!

That isn't a great metric for evaluating an argument, though. It doesn't matter how excellently an athlete executes a play or wins the game, if they're playing an away game the audience will still only jeer and boo. The audience is not a neutral, unemotional arbiter.

@@TheDisgruntledImperial Even without the audience’s reaction, you can clearly see how Hitchens made so much more sense.

Lennox did not debate, he preached, as all apologetics do, not one in any so called debate has demonstrated their imaginary gods to exist, and that's all they have to do to win any debate, that no one in the history of the world has ever proven any gods to exist shows their failure, apologist claim, those such as Higgins dispute their claims and explain why, then apologist just come out with another evidenced claim. Attempting to argue a god into existence has been a total failure, the fact that no god has been proven to exist is proof of that.

Mystery’s are not necessarily miracles’ - Goethe

@@kiowhatta1 When a plausible explanation it offered, it's not just a mystery anymore.

We know that your perception of God is real. That might be useful for some but this is not evidence for anything concrete.

Good that you weaned yourself off booze, but you did that, not some fictional being.

@@MisterEvvvSymphoenix (unless I am completely misinterpreting your comment - if I am, my apologies) That doesn't mean an answer was offered - it is still a mystery if you're just taking guesses. You cannot say it's a plausible explanation if there is nothing to give any credence to it being plausible. Why throw around words if your definitions contradict with what they actually mean? It's just a guess, and a fantastical one at that. "I don't know what something is - so it's PROBABLY this". That is absolutely foolish.

So life has no reason?

That's not very scientific.

Just wait before some one says " its the plan of god" . hope you are ok

You’re assuming God thinks the same way you do. That what matters to you matters to God or must matter to God. Your pride has made you blind…not cancer. “Bad things happen” is not an argument against God.

@@Cautionable_Offense then why praise something that doesn't care about us?

​@Cautionable_Offense an all-knowing and all living God that would allow terrible things to happen to good people, is not worthy of worship.

​@@Cautionable_Offense it's very convenient to explain suffering away as 'god works in mysterious ways' or 'we don't know how his mind works' etc etc. the fact that he always it to happen at all, is sufficient evidence that god does not exist.

I agree and how come hitchens only got one minute and lennox got a whole 10 min. In addition this is a bias source the owner of the channel is religious and the people in the comments are going to be religious so no need to start an argument

@@afs999honestly it’s pointless

@@xykeem4805 that is right my friend

Nope, you’re not the only one. I’m not surprised.

In this clip, Lennox so blatantly failed to respond to what Hitchens said that I was wondering if the response was even the correct video clip.

@@jessicaj9743you are in a cult.

For me it is important to accept us humans as IMperfect beings, as imperfect as the universe, and as constantly changing like the universe. Then you can accept that each of us has good and bad aspects, is right in some and wrong in others. That one can be wrong because of lack of knowledge, as no one can know EVERYthing, or what is right for you can be wrong (and somehing else right) for someone else in other circumstances. Accept the good, be proud of them, only when you accept the bad, you can set out to improve them and find strategies how to handle them. Then you can also better live with the imperfection of other people, and let them be as long as they do not affect you or other people you care about. I try to be tolerant to errors of others (even when they affect me) when they are unintentional, but am totally (probably way too much) allergic when someone intentionally tries to take advantage of other people, puts himself above others. Then one can accept that ANY solution is a compromise, never pure black or white, but always some shade of grey that none of the involved parties really like and that is always open for discussion. "Life is too absurd to take it seriously" is one of my rather new "slogans". Makes you way more relaxed.

Have watched a few clips from this channel and they are biased.... just my personal observation.

Exactly. Pretty rare that Christian apologists actually try to defend the nonsense in the Bible.

​@@pauls7803what nonsense? Can you give some explanation. All Bible prophecies come to pass exactly as prophesied. The Bible is the only book ever written that stated thousands of years ago that the universe had a beginning, is expanding, has fixed laws of physics, that everything that is detectable is made from that which is undetectable and there are mountains, valleys, springs and pathways under the sea. Only God knows the end from the beginning. Every month scientific and archaeological discoveries are proving the accuracy of the Bible. Have you not been paying attention to the true facts about the Bible. Tell me some of the nonsense you are talking about. Maranatha

Watch it again. Hitchens' point is just that the so called intelligent design isn't intelligent at all. What he did not do is baselessly assert or even worse, misrepresent as Lennox did. Couldn't bear to watch the whole thing, but as a scientist, he should know Newton didn't "discover" the laws of gravity. No one says science created anything, except as a Strawman argument. But mainly, the old chestnut of "atheists are evil, look at 20th century dictators". Hitler was a Catholic. National Socialist Germany was a religious state. For Lennox to deny this to please an audience is unacceptable. Shame I say!

Most religions are centered around the existence of a god so same thing.

​@@pauls7803Like that we are all created in God's image? You do realize that the western concept of human rights comes ftom that? No other civilization ever outlawed slavery and even segregation for that reason. You doubt that, check the Cairo Declaration of Human Rights...

Hitchens said God was aloof in the face of mans suffering and self infliction, Lennox described a good God with with a good plan to rescue, man from himself and from Evil, through Gods own sacrifice (the Death Burial and Resurrection) of Gods Only Son at the hands of miserable Man, It's epic.🙂

Most of the time I find Lennox side steps or misconstrues in his rebuttals.

​@@MikeSheasheaDtree even if you could somehow make a human sacrifice sound like a good plan,it still doesn't answer the 998,000 years it took him to come up with it.

@@gango23 why don't you tell us how many years it should've taken ? You need to understand, it may seem like a lot of time to you, but to God time doesn't exist.

@@emmanuel.n8458 hang on,let me read an old book written by some goat herders in the desert about a wizard that came back from the dead. That sounds like a good place to get some answers about the universe.

What else you get if you don't want good?

​@@beholdtheworld8900🤨

😂😂😂​@@mistylover7398

I think you’re exactly right, but unfortunately you’re a voice in the wilderness as far as this channel is concerned. The jury made their decision a long time ago.

​@mick947 its also funny how he shamelessly shows only 3 minutes of Hitch and 9 minutes of Lennox as if they were given different amounts of time in the debate. Worst point made by Lennox "But how can you do Science without faith that the universe is intelligible?". We dont need faith that the universe is consistent enough day to day that we can record an object accelerating to the earth and the next day it accelerates at the same speed. We do not need faith that this is the case, because if ever you "lose faith" we can just re-run the experiment!!! Thats the beauty of science.

With that logic we must constantly Test everything over and over and over because​ who knows whether it's consistent 100% of the@@JoeSoCal2303

And what if it changes what if it's one thing one second and something else the next second? Can we not trust our mind or the test itself?

@Thebigdogg123 the laws of nature don't change from one second to the next tho. Again you can just rerun the experiment from the day before if you're unsure, but that's one of the most provable daily assumptions.

And who and who is going to hell if I may ask ?

Jesus has visited this earth a second time.

Why would you leave God for of all things - atheism?? It’s soooooo hateful and depressing - daddy issues many of athiestic followers

No proof my guy. Sorry. Christ is the truth sounds sad to me. Not trying to be mean, but these are all stories. People lie and fabricate and make stuff up all the time. Literally all the time. Crazy that people take religion seriously when I could convincingly tell people I am the messiah, some people start believeing me, then more, then more and more. Then the story and whole thing gets carried away because of how many people are involved then so much misinformation gets spewed and embellishments. Then thousands of years pass on top of all that. Idk. Just not a realistic thing to believe. I would 100% if there was any actual proof tho. I would believe 100%

Are they really that amazing? Hitchens pointed out the natural evil while Lennox's response was about moral evil. Hitchens did not say anything about evil done in name of God... It makes Lennox's replay to be a straw-man. BTW. there were lots of evil done by atheists but pretty much none "in name of Atheism".

​@@tjblues01 Natural evil doesn't exist, only moral evil. Maybe you meant 'suffering': but according to an atheist point of view, suffering and life itself are only a temporary inconvenient.

​@@tjblues01 All evil done by atheists is in the name of atheism, you don't need an official claim to prove it. While evil done in the name of God (at least in the name of the Christian God) is impossible.

​@@tjblues01 Stalin's (or Mao's or Pol Pot's etc.) terror was indeed made "in name of Atheism" although he never declared it. He couldn't declare of course, because atheism is not a person but an idea or a religion of its own kind. Atheism gives you the 100% moral freedom to commit limitless atrocities because there is no objective moral standard, no afterlife where you'll stand in front of a Judge to answer for your deeds. In atheism there is no good or bad on moral level. Anything is permissible as long as you won't get caught or if you are in a high enough position in the society. You consider yourself as your only god but that god unfortunately is always the Devil. What good does Hitchen's worldview bring to the mankind? He brings no hope, no objective moral standard, not even scientific proof for God's non-existence. He works hard to make God as the image of man while the Bible tells it is the other way round. Man was created as the image of God but we rejected that image and started being self sufficient arrogant fools. That was the "gift" Charles Darwin's followers have given us. Their godless world is based on Darwin's views, but we should remember that Darwin's original theory was not 100% atheist.

@@djo-dji6018 >Natural evil doesn't exist< BS. Natural disasters, terminal diseases, parasites, earthquakes, wild fires, tsunamis, floods... all killing innocent people (including children) by millions exist! And by your book, all is done by God or it's allowed by God to happen. He designed this world that way to make people and sentient animals to suffer. >but according to an atheist point of view, suffering and life itself are only a temporary inconvenient.< Another BS. Maybe you should ask atheists what is their stance first, instead of using of a straw-man argument. Temporary? This life is what we only have. A temporary inconvenience is to have a diarrhea for 3 days but NOT to lose a child FOREVER due to cancer. >All evil done by atheists is in the name of atheism< Name them. Give me examples. >While evil done in the name of God (at least in the name of the Christian God) is impossible.< LOL. Crusades, inquisition, witch-hunt, killing people for blasphemy and even slavery was excused in name of God.

Even if it did, that alone would not save him

@Bruno Carbone; “then why allow evil for starts?” Bruno, God proudly claims that he created evil and uses evil spirits. Isaiah 45:7 I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things. Judges 37:36 Then the angel of the Lord went out and put to death a hundred and eighty-five thousand in the Assyrian camp. When the people got up the next morning-there were all the dead bodies!

​@@willievanstraaten1960But why? Can't leave out context. None of your scriptures connect. They're all separate, void of context and offer no explanation. So what point are you picking and choosing random verses to make??? Lol.

I always feel that humans are so arrogant. We're literally powerless little creatures who have no real control. But we act like we're God's. Even though we could fall down, hit our head on a table and die and not be able to do anything about it. How prideful to question God's decisions as if we know better. As if any one or group of persons has the intellect or ability to run the entire universe. It reminds me of when my 3 years tries to tell me how to drive and which way I need to go. Ridiculous. So what people end up doing is looking for reasons not to believe. And with that mindset, then any ol idea will do the trick. But search for God to know Him?? Yea... then you'll find Him. But most won't. Because they don't really want to know. They want to live life on their terms and not be told what to do by God. Then they wonder why hell exists. It's for those that reject God. We may not understand everything He's done and the why. But neither do kids understand the what and why about everything their parents do. But He's God. And that's all that matters in the end.

@@rhondal8887 Rhondal8887: “Can't leave out context” You are welcome to fill in the context and change the words and meaning of your god as he allegedly dictated and inspired it. So, you agree the messages of the Bible are stupid? You cannot read it for what it is. God’s words must be reinterpreted. That is why there are more than 45 000 different Christian cults and sects. Each does a different context and interpretation scoffing and denigrating each other as heretics. How stupid of an Omni-deity to leave a cacophony of confusion.

@@rhondal8887 Rhondal8887: “How prideful to question God's decisions as if we know better.” Not prideful, just realistic with knowledge of the Bible that depicts this ancient celestial tyrant as the most jealous, cruel, evil, and murderous deity of all man-made ancient deities.

I'm glad someone noticed that fact!!! The best debate ever was between Christopher Hitchings and his Brother Peter Hitchings!! Just intellectual brilliance!!!

This is a clip full video is in the description.

Religious channel... What do you expect?

@@yep2005 While that is true, what is shown here, shows the bias of this channel.

So while your are free to read into it what you wish, he doesn't have the time in the scope of his presentation to play the entire debate, but it is classic, I encourage you to watch it @@mpbc48 🙂

"We don't believe in good or evil; that stuff is entirely made up, just like God's existence"

@@MrEschaton91 Then why do you guys have a problem with Christians believing something incorrect if it's neither 'right' nor 'wrong' to do so? You could argue about benefits, or how it affects you, but if you're right about there being no right or wrong, then there's nothing wrong with any belief whatsoever. Oh, and there are unspeakably horrible things we can do to each other if we truly internalise that, so even if there were no, no right or wrong, ironically it would be better to make people think that there is a right and wrong. Just so that you understand me clearly, I'm not saying lying is right. I'm saying that if there were no such thing as right or wrong, it would be strategically beneficial to lie and make people think that there is, which is kind of ironic.

​@@MisterEvvvSymphoenixYou say this but your priests are out there raping children all while camouflaging themselves as holy men who preach and stand for good. When we tear such barriers down, we'd see people's true nature without the facade of a social pedestal.

You can't be angry at God and not believe in Him at the same time

So if someone comes round your house and punches you in the face, that’s Gods fault ?

Non Christians are able to live without feeling guilty they were born sinners. Much healthier world view.

Oh yes, we can certainly see how “healthy” the current atheistic society of the west has become in the past few decades ever since people have started to forcefully erase Christian values from the social fabric. Super healthy in every single way 🤦

Amen✝️

​@@iainrae6159Really? Do explain?

@@ithurtsbecauseitstrue1922 not to mention that Christians also do not live life feeling guilt because they’ve sinned; since Christ died for our sins in darkness anyways, meaning we are clean of them, and that we all understand sin is a daily struggle that we’re bound to succumb to at some point, as long as we make the constant effort to do better Good point about how atheists typically indulge over abstain. Christians (typically religious people on average actually) have better psychological and mental health staying away from the same things atheists typically partake in. Strange

Nah. Dawkins essentially shits on agnostics in The God Delusion, and rightly so. You should give it a read.

Excellent point! Great power is wielded over the masses by the indoctrination of them via religious text.

But if you believe in something then you are not agnostic. What you wanted to say was that you can still believe without being religious I guess. I am not religious and don't believe literally in religions but I do believe in a higher being, a meaning, spirituality etc.

@@Clarity_of_Light Belief is still just that: Belief. It does not constitute truth. A person simply believing in something supernatural does not make it come into being. It never has, it never will.

@@Clarity_of_Light no, agnostic don't believe in God. They are just open to the possibility that there might be some creator. It's Schrodinger's God.

Sky daddyism alongside worldly suffering (which is no actual rebuttal to God) John Lennox has hope, and it seems you don’t from this comment. 😔 Glad you realize actual suffering exists, so I’m assuming you believe evil exists , this is one step away from nihilism.

If you think about it you are the only one taking a risk. Not believing in God means eternal hell. Believing in God to find nothing after death would not be a disappointment not to me or many other Christians. Alot of us have come to religion to fix ourselves and our lives. It provides a moral compass. You should really try to understand instead of jumping on the attack every single time. Grew up going to church and have visited many different churches and out of all this time I have not once found anyone who fits the description you atheists paint for others. Your actually lying to people about God. You will all pay in judgement for this.

@@balakaythesloth yes, blaming God for our heartache is a lie. And yes, atheists have everything to lose, while we have nothing. But remember, their judgement can be forgiven just as ours was and is:

You use corny catch prases like "skydaddyism" as if it validates YOUR agnosticism. If you agnosticism is so real, why have you suffered all your life? You'd, with you all being so "smart", your unbelief would have stopped the suffering. There's a difference between not believing & believing in not believing. So, you basically gave no answers of any substance. Just the same complaints that EVERYONE has.

And if you are an atheist your suffering is for nothing, and you really don’t matter. Find God because it seems this sinful world has ravaged you.