"We'll win every one of'em...till they catch us"....Junior Johnson

I could listen to this all day!!! What a great guest to have on the show! The crew chiefs that y’all have had on this year have been amazing to listen too!

Only cheating if ya get caught 😅

I love the stories about the old inspectors who only cared about pre race inspection. Back in the day, after the race was over they didn't care if the car was still legal. Being creative and bending the rules was part of the sport.

Sterling Marlin "Well, you know, Tony Glover and the boys done a good job, gotta thank all the boys back at the shop. Ol cars runnin pretty good"

If you ain't cheatin you ain't trying!🤣🤘

That was a good story about Tony Jr... I always liked his stories about the junkyard dogs ripping his Bodine shirt off him and put a good wrench shirt on 😂

My favorite was restrictor racing. Drilling holes in intake bolts and carb bolts to get more air in engines

Great show, glad I stumbled on it!

My favorite was scrutinizing various test methods that lead to improvements. If a person is picky enough they can find simple little errors that either shed additional light and further direction if not outright improvements.

Exactly right..Tony,you let me look inside the 4 car one time when I stopped by in Abingdon and I told you (Norman Davis told me to stop by and see you sometime, Mousey Taylor worked for my Dad in our Body Shop in Yuma,Va)..it all blended together and I could see nothing but darkness in the car! As they always said,Flat black would hide a multitude of sins..Again thank you for being so kind to let me look around at the race cars many years ago!

Hello Dale and Mike and Tony great interview I always enjoy listening to old nascar creative engineering

Love this conversation…..once again I learned so much.

Love these stories. NASCAR is taking al this stuff away. It isn't cheating. It's innovation.

Day I met you Tony in the engine shop. I was working at FEL-PRO and you had our heat gaskets carbon tracking next to intake valves. My boss then Jerry R. Asked if you knew why? You said nope….. I waited and asked you how much are the 23 degree heads roller over? You just smiled sitting on the work bench swinging your legs and said bout 3/8” haaaaa. I knew I liked you right off and then to find out you used to Drag Raced now I under stood you. Glad your doing fine Tony. God Bless Mike❤

Smokey Yunick, a early mechanic/owner who bent the rules. If you do not know who he is, then check him out.

"How's the chassis?" ...very few people influenced my decisions while I worked in NASCAR; Tony's wisdom became clear at the latter end of my involvement. I did not do him right, but to my defense I was too stupid to get was he was telling me! At 52, and as an accountant, I get it. Use the rules to make them an evolving thing for a benefit and evolve, unless simplicity trumps; then order the same lunch at the same diner for as long as it lasts. I was one of the first to get 24+gallons in a fuel cell. Sorry Al (RIP) that I took an advantage in our relationship. He had Parkinson's Disease, but he loved to learn how I did it, and we had many great conversations about the process. When Kyle, at PE2's team, went through inspection we handed $100/$200 Spree phone cards to officials in order to ignore the "pans" we placed under the lip of the nose (creating severe front downforce). DEI introduced , and exasperated, severe shock pressure in 1998-1999; we like'd to kill Steve as a result. The purpose was to minimize "spring" (springs) by excluding them as much as possible; the result ended in deaths and severe/career ending wrecks. Forward a few years, and we are running a three-point suspension at Talladega, with the right-rear spring being useless; I began to see more deaths occurring. NASCAR finally began to have a clue-ish. Tony is the "Man" who made things change by staying simple, and I will never forget how he explained his life of wisdom to an idiot.

Thanks for this.. I almost forgot about tony... thank you once again for bringing another Icon to your podcast... love ya..

The stuff that comes out on these podcasts is just incredible! I never would have thought about the color of paint on the chassis having any bearing on how much was visible. Tony mentioned that they had a "good plate program". Good? For about 4 years, you could tell when the #4 car went by because it just sounded different. And it almost seemed as if, if you didn't have that Runt Pittman engine under the hood, you would be competing for second place at best. Might as well engrave Ernie's or Sterling's name on the trophy before the race.

I love listening to stories about “innovation “.

Thank you for the video

I always wondered what happened to Tony Glover. Good to see him still around!

You hear about stuff like this and then you realize how trivial a piece of clear tape really is.

Ladies and gentlemen this is how we got to the point of being penalize for the smallest thing out of place in today's NASCAR

Love hearing about these cheating stories!

Great interview with Tony Glover

Great stories when you bring the veterans on.

👍😎 Love those stories. Thanks JR. 🖖

Hero to me -- Gene an Tony Glover Kingsport Speedway Tn.

The Blacked out Kodak car was fantastic looking and the sound...just a fantastic sound.

I loved Juniors story about the spoiler.

Innovation is what shows a person's intelligence, I want a innovative person, Nascar needs that .

Awesome love it!!!

#4 Kodak Chevy with Irvan and Marlin was bad ass fast. You can get away as much until getting caught red handed.

Man, need that dirty mo hat. Checked the dirty mo sight and didn't see a flex fit dirty mo hat. love that deep red color too.

Dove Grey chassis, engines, and engine compartments was a Penske thing starting in the early 60's, if not before. It makes pinpoint source detection of leaking fluids much easier.

Smokey Yunick is smiling in approval

6:36 "...Who's going to give that up?..." - One year, The Glen, rain delay, Tony S. interview, announcer asks 'Do you have favorite places to pass?'. Tony says: "Yes", and said no more.

Loved when glover and the 4 crew was kicking arss, yes I am from Nashville tn,

I remember seeing on of Jr's crew guys look inside Brenden's car in the roof area. LOL

Hey Jr what about an interview with Shane Hmiel or how ever you spell his last name !! That might be a hell of an interview !!

Anyone know a references as for what year the 4 car had the tinted windows? its my favorite part of these cheating stories to go back and see those moments 😊

They had great motor man in Runt pitman too.

Was at a track that had a museum with one small wall of illegal parts, then go around the corner and a large wall of Jr Johnson's illegal parts

There will never be a better innovator then Smokey Yunick, such a Genius he was. That man could take the rule book into the gray area. and get away with so much.

Dale Sr was super fussy about the cheating crap. He always inspected every race car that he ever drove himself. Anything not right, it got fixed right or he'd refuse to drive it. Such was the case with the 1998 Daytona 500 car. Practice test runs, Dale Sr stated that the car wasn't right. His crew went through hell to make the car to meet Dale Sr's approval. End result, the car not only won but Sr stated that it was the best race car that he ever drove. I worked at Daytona, Darlington, and Talladega NASCAR tracks 1996-2006 as part of the security/safety teams. You'd be amazed at what goes on "behind the scenes" in NASCAR.

Welcome to mo’s

Who dis guy?? The Tony Glover I remember had VERY DARK brown hair! And he always had super slick cars. He and Runt Pitman - engine guru for Morgan-McClure on par with RCR legends Eddie Lanier, Lou LaRosa, Spenny Clendenen, Danny Lawrence - had the meanest, rudest sounding Chevys at Speedweeks with Sterling Marlin... that deep, rich, guttural growl-y rumble that made your toenails curl and your innards quiver with pure adrenaline and anticipation. This whole episode was another good one. Thanks Dale, MD, and DMR/DJD! PS: Dale, if you by some random act of boredom you should ever read this, go back through your Betamax collection to Bristol Spring Valleydale Meats 500 1991 around 2:32:00 of 3:03:58 race time. Watch for the jack stand to come flying out from beneath the left side of Sterling Marlin's #22 Maxwell House Ford and slide across the track after Sterling catches fire. Gives a whole new spin on lead weights in the railing. Can you imagine that little extra weight on the Left Front going in to the turns? Team owner Junior Johnson sure kept the NASCAR inspectors hopping and checking. Cagey ol' cuss!

That was great.

For sure the coolest, most interesting, and most fun thing about the sport. Real science, geometry, and physics

These are my favorite segments!!!

when i worked for Nascar pinty's series Glover was always there i would pick his brain, Glover is a very quiet legend been there done that

Karl Kinser was the best at this in the sprint car world he would be doing something to the back of the car and everyone would look at it meanwhile he had things on the front that ya didn't see 😂

_Here are my sentiments_ , I want my guys to be exploring & studying the grey area of the rule book. It's the law of the land I say & innovation is the name of the game. The conquest for speed is never ending & is always evolving. So much comes with it, The risk VS reward, Loss of sleep over wondering how to be the fastest.. The ultimate fear of failure & disappoinment. This is what compells one to explore & quietly exploit the grey area.

If you ain’t cheating you ain’t trying

We need an interview with the real deal Shane Hmiel!

I just need me a “competitive advantage “ in iracing!

Its not cheating it is innovation

Kodak 4 car had those inverted headers at Daytona one year and I believe that wagon that particular race that year too!!!

Surly you've seen the Bush Clash 1981 with senior as a color commentary

interiors all shiny black, that's hilarious, no wonder they came up with a 'car of the future' deal

Dale thank you so much for this. And thank you for looking out for the little guy. And you know what I'm talking about. I helped out Ted Musgrave for 3 years. Go to Pace race Jack's and you'll see that I won the Jackman competition both time I was down there working. DK said I should come down to Denver North Carolina. And practice with the team and be the Jackman. All right I'm done with all this this but it's true Junior if you want to talk to me give me a buzz I got a few stories maybe you can put them in your program show whatever.

Brilliance

Today I catch Tony walking the pits looking as an official. lol.

It's only cheating if it says you can't do it, specifically, in the rule book and you get caught.

The tinted window days were the best days...imolol No "honest" #4 Lumina plate-exhaust story about how they got that Indycar sound?

I got a story to tell you but I don't know if Tony wants me to tell you. Well I'm not going to give up the punchline but it's about a poker game that I was invited to attend. When I was working the race at Dover

We loose one qualifying lap if we do not pass tech pre qualifying

Were/are the drivers privy to these things when they are going on? Or is it kept amongst the fewest people possible on the team?

The only time the fans call "cheating" is win its not their driver otherwise if it is their driver it's fine lol

I heard about guys putting BBs or mercury in the car fames to put more weight on the down side tires.

Dale gets excited and happy about cheating. But it’s a problem that goodyear tires have too much grip and last too long. Interesting.

Than it should be available on KZfaq.

Tony was the best when he was crew chief for Ernie Irvan #4 car

Great ! But what difference does 40 degrees to 50 degrees matter? They should let ya run what makes your car run well ! Too much nit picking. What would Smokey think ?

Nascar is cool again. I'm so happy.

Sheet metal thats 1/8 fenders will crumple. Maybe go back to steel

I honestly want to start a drag racing series where the entire point(besides 'just' winning the race of course) is to try to get illegal stuff past the inspections. No one gets suspended or banned or fined, you don't build up a 'record', if you get caught you either have the chance to fix it(if found before the race) or forfeit that race(gotta give competitors a tightrope to walk; the punishment isn't severe, but you gotta make it to the next round if you're going to get the money too). Just build your car to the rules except for where you think you can get away with breaking them! I want to see a cheating arms race, real innovation in cheating - and I'm pretty sure you would straight up have to be able to get away with cheating to win in such a series lol. Of course, since this wouldn't be an anti-cheating series, there would be bonus points and what not for "best discovered cheat of the week", you would certainly need one for "best assumed cheater", ya know things like that, have some fun with it. BTW, can you imagine like the final points race of the season? All hell would break loose, everyone pulling out ALL the stops to try to get them points lol(double points event for more chaos? I think so...). Let's bring back the glory days of cheating in motorsports!

I got ten bucks that says you were drinking that night too

Need to hire Brian Pattie for Josh Berry!!!

6:22 "every little thing adds up" . Ya... just like flipping the pistons Because of the wrist pin off-set . Uncle Tony's Garage got into a HUGE argument with computer chair mechanics over that one... . People saying it "might add a few HP, but not dozens" WHICH IS EXACTLY WHAT TONY SAID . But internet people think every little trick should be worth 100 hp (because they see all these 1000hp car videos....so everything MUST be 1000HP these days....) . ya just can't spin the pistons around to gain ~5 to ~10hp....FOR FREE Because it MUST make 1000 wheel HP

See this is what made nascar what it was I bet when Jr is talking about the spoiler Tony's think dam I should have thought of that

Cheating like modifying the steering rack?

If you arent cheatin, you arent tryin!

Not cheating. Pre-emptive rule book editorial

Hi Jr, how you doin?

Tony is awesome. I was Dale Earnhardt 100% but that #4 sounded weird

It's called a protractor 🤣🤣🙄🙄🙄🙄🙄

It's only illegal if you get caught

If ya ain't cheatin' , you ain't tryin'........

Man I wish I knew what kind of cheating goes on these days

If your not cheating you ain't trying

Terry Simbeck

Where is his daughter now? She was gorgeous

I loved NASCAR back when we had “innovators”. It was so much more interesting. Lol 😂

Still the racing was better in them days, innovation rather than standardisation...

Innovation - 🤔

I wish he would have given up what they did to Sterling cars....

A m a z i n g

The term is loosen. 🤣🙄